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Old 07-17-2005, 08:25 PM   #1
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Bluray Lies

Recently, Evil Avatar ran a story about how the upcoming Blu-Ray format for HD movies was preferred by consumers.

GameSpot looked into the study in this week's Rumor Control column and found the following:
  • The survey was funded by the Blu-Ray association.
  • When asking for the data, GameSpot was only provided with a small sample of incomplete data that compared Blu-Ray features against current DVDs, not HD-DVDs.
  • Consumers were told to assume the price would be the same, when in fact Blu-Ray discs are expected to sell for at least $10 more than current DVDs.
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But there was no such question about whether people would prefer a format that makes the discs $10 more expensive or just 10 percent more expensive, as is expected with HD-DVDs.
If the above price estimates are correct, a $20 DVD would equate to a $22 HD-DVD and a $30 Blu-Ray disc.

Looks like this whole survey is a shady steaming sack of lies from the Blu-Ray association being foisted on us as a scientific survey.
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Old 07-17-2005, 09:23 PM   #2
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/me waits for the sony shit storm that is multiplying.

But honestly, I'm not suprised that the survery was flawed, because you know surveys are never correct unless they have a large sample pool to use.
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Old 07-17-2005, 09:26 PM   #3
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What? We can't trust Sony? You're kidding!
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Old 07-17-2005, 09:38 PM   #4
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Old 07-17-2005, 10:05 PM   #5
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The survey was funded by the Blu-Ray association.
Ah, yes. There it is. But before we go on an "I hate Sony" tirade, lets remember that every major company does this, including Microsoft. They all do it.
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Old 07-17-2005, 10:09 PM   #6
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No surprise here. Like falak says all companies, institutions, and governments do it.
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Old 07-17-2005, 10:12 PM   #7
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Ah, yes. There it is. But before we go on an "I hate Sony" tirade, lets remember that every major company does this, including Microsoft. They all do it.
YES! Thank you. I was going to launch into a tirade of my own, luckily I read to the latest post
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Old 07-17-2005, 10:14 PM   #8
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Ya, but some companies do it way more often, and too much further extremes...
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Old 07-17-2005, 10:35 PM   #9
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Ah, yes. There it is. But before we go on an "I hate Sony" tirade, lets remember that every major company does this, including Microsoft. They all do it.
Yeah, because I see those HD-DVD surveys EVERYWHERE. ;P
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Old 07-17-2005, 10:39 PM   #10
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How......how could you?!
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Old 07-17-2005, 10:49 PM   #11
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Old 07-17-2005, 10:53 PM   #12
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What makes anyone think that the price of BR movies won't be in line with HD-DVD?

You guys do realize that media cost is one of the most negligable aspects of the price we pay?

Look at VHS vs DVD and Tapes vs CDs -- they earlier incarnations cost more to produce yet the latter cost more to the consumers. We pay for content (and "quality" the content is delivered in)... not the cost of the media.

While I agree the thing was probably somewhat skewed the price of a BR movie will be within HD-DVD range. If HD-DVDs cost ~25 on average, you can be BR will too. Both sides will charge as much as they can get away with. If cost of the media had any real impact people would be paying 25+ for VHS instead of 10-15 they do now compared to DVD versions which are often 20+ for the same movie.
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Old 07-17-2005, 11:00 PM   #13
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Ah, yes. There it is. But before we go on an "I hate Sony" tirade, lets remember that every major company does this, including Microsoft. They all do it.
Maybe you're right but lately I've been seeing a lot of sony lies and gross exagerations.

We have the killzone video, the x360 competing with ps2 claim, the faulty psp square button done on purpose, the aging of videos etc.

We haven't seen a lot of microsoft lies lately. But feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 07-17-2005, 11:04 PM   #14
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Don't turn this into a comparison of who lies more -- Neither companies are saints.

Microsoft lies through their teeth in every market they are in -- they are successful for a reason. Any successful company is going to "lie" a bit.
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Old 07-17-2005, 11:32 PM   #15
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Don't turn this into a comparison of who lies more -- Neither companies are saints.

Microsoft lies through their teeth in every market they are in -- they are successful for a reason. Any successful company is going to "lie" a bit.
Show me some of Microsoft's lies? Quote them to me. Just for my information. Because we've caught Sony lying red handed time and again and I don't recall Microsoft lying.
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Old 07-17-2005, 11:32 PM   #16
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lies through their teeth in every market they are in -- they are successful for a reason. Any successful company is going to "lie" a bit.
Smaller companies - as much as legally possible.

Larger companies - a bit more than that.
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Old 07-17-2005, 11:42 PM   #17
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The $10 more expensive sounds a bit over the top to me. Also doesn't dual layer HD-DVD require a similarly expensive upgrade on the factory line? I thought it was only single layer HD-DVD that didn't require an upgrade.
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Old 07-18-2005, 12:01 AM   #18
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Show me some of Microsoft's lies? Quote them to me. Just for my information. Because we've caught Sony lying red handed time and again and I don't recall Microsoft lying.
I'll start with one, it's going back a bit.

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Gates said the 3-D chips in the Xbox would be three times faster than anything on the market and offer nearly unlimited graphical visuals. "We're approaching the level of detail seen in Toy Story 2," he said, referring to the computer-generated kids film from Disney/Pixar.
This thread is pointless until we KNOW what typical blueray prices will be, which probably won't deviate much if at all from HDDVD/DVD titles, until then it's pure speculation. But I guess when you're an honorary member of the Nintendo Fanboy Club Association of America and earned yourself a Princess Pussypants Toadstool secret decoder ring, you're obligated to whine about anything Sony is involved with at every turn, because I don't see where the so called lies about Blueray are (despite being funded by the Blueray board), at worst we have the obvious bias or conflict of interest - wow, what a shocker, as if this is something new.
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Old 07-18-2005, 12:11 AM   #19
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Am I the only one who still wonders WHY I need/want a new DVD format?
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Old 07-18-2005, 12:24 AM   #20
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Argh. Typical lying to the general public. I'm not suprised.
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