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Old 07-09-2007, 01:35 PM   #1
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So you want to be an illegal immigrant?

There are some mediums that, perhaps, political issues might want to steer clear of. Apparently, that didn't stop Rafael Fajardo from turning a little frog crossing the road into a little Mexican crossing the border.

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In Crosser, modeled after the classic game Frogger, the player tries to cross a river along the border before encountering immigration agents and getting sent back to Mexico. He encounters various items on the river, including a cat, a dog, a tire and a cadaver.

"The underdog is made into a hero through the game," Fajardo said. "That will put some audiences in an uncomfortable position."
Fajardo talks more about Crosser and his other title, La Migra, over at IntelligentAgent.

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Spinning out every thread of influence can dissolve whatever autonomy or power the games have. But some discussion of influences is appropriate, if only to give proper credit. Crosser™ & La Migra™ were constructed on a foundation of precedents, technical, artistic, and conceptual. Syntactically, they owe debts to Konami's Frogger® and to Taito's Space Invaders®. Crosser™ most resembles its progenitor. Conceptually, the game and the authors have created an intersection of the ideas of several movements: Arte Povera, Teatro Campesino, Miesian minimalism, and rhetorical reduction to the absurd.
What's next? A FPS about a poor, oppressed meth manufacturer trying to make it in this workaday world? I kid, I kid. Sorta.
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Old 07-09-2007, 01:41 PM   #2
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Old 07-09-2007, 01:51 PM   #3
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Old 07-09-2007, 01:59 PM   #4
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What's next? A FPS about a poor, oppressed meth manufacturer trying to make it in this workaday world? I kid, I kid. Sorta.


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Old 07-09-2007, 02:23 PM   #5
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What's next? A FPS about a poor, oppressed meth manufacturer trying to make it in this workaday world? I kid, I kid. Sorta.
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Old 07-09-2007, 02:29 PM   #6
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Old 07-09-2007, 02:41 PM   #7
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I don't quite see the connection between an immigrant crossing the border for a chance at a better life and a person who manufactures meth out of thier basement to the detriment of others....
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Old 07-09-2007, 02:51 PM   #8
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I don't quite see the connection between an immigrant crossing the border for a chance at a better life and a person who manufactures meth out of thier basement to the detriment of others....
I imagine it's because, regardless of how you'd like to spin it, both acts are illegal.
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Old 07-09-2007, 03:01 PM   #9
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I'd imagine GunMo sees both acts hurting what he deems 'us'. But I could be wrong.
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Old 07-09-2007, 03:02 PM   #10
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I imagine it's because, regardless of how you'd like to spin it, both acts are illegal.
Ever read Les Miserables?

I'm not saying that every Carlos is a Jean Valjean, but it's interesting that our country supposedly supports the idea of allowing people to lift themselves up out of poverty but then prevents the impoverished from entering our country.

I'm not a supporter of open borders by any means, but it would be nice if instead of fighting hugely expensive wars, we focused on global stability and growing the world economy so that the entire world was less impoverished. Or you know. . . returned to our foreign policy pre-Dubya.
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Old 07-09-2007, 03:11 PM   #11
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I'm not saying that every Carlos is a Jean Valjean, but it's interesting that our country supposedly supports the idea of allowing people to lift themselves up out of poverty but then prevents the impoverished from entering our country.
Just a quick question, if they won't obey the laws to get in why assume they would obey the other laws once they get here?
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Old 07-09-2007, 03:12 PM   #12
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Incidence, are you saying you've never broken any law? Because if you have, you're obviously a murderer.
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Old 07-09-2007, 03:27 PM   #13
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Just a quick question, if they won't obey the laws to get in why assume they would obey the other laws once they get here?
Because they are risking life and limb to get jobs and provide for their families, making them more responsible than plenty of people already living here?

Besides the "They're law-breakers! Illegals!" Sounds false to me when the problem is there isn't a person among us that hasn't violated one law or another. I mean, isn't mail fraud and opium smuggling all in the eye of the beholder?
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Old 07-09-2007, 03:31 PM   #14
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Old 07-09-2007, 03:37 PM   #15
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Old 07-09-2007, 04:01 PM   #16
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Old 07-09-2007, 04:06 PM   #17
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Because they are risking life and limb to get jobs and provide for their families, making them more responsible than plenty of people already living here?

Besides the "They're law-breakers! Illegals!" Sounds false to me when the problem is there isn't a person among us that hasn't violated one law or another. I mean, isn't mail fraud and opium smuggling all in the eye of the beholder?
So I guess that means noone can ever complain about any illegal act that takes place. No police officer can ever arrest anyone or any judge can find someone guilty because they themselves have committed crimes.

Heck if I went and shot Whiskeys parents right now he would be a hypocrite if he wanted legal action to take place because as he pointed out everyone has broken a law therefore we cant complain about someone elses crime or expect them to answer for it.

I've heard more intelligent rationalizations from 5 year olds.

Not every illegal entering this country is a mom or dad whos soul motivation is to provide for their family..many simply enter to benefit themselves because they know they can get away with it. So tired of the rationalization that every one of them is just a good person thinking only of their family memebers. Some are...some arent. Thats why we have laws...so we dont have to make a case by case basis...some murderers are ok...others arent...some drug dealers are good...others arent. The law is very specific and must be enforced unless removed from the books. This law still exists and it borders on common sense as to why it exists.

America is the land of opportunity but it shouldnt be solely available to those who happen to be landlocked and who know they can cheat the system. There are many millions of Africans, Asians and Europeans who would benefit immensely if they could just walk into the country. So why limit the free pass to just Mexicans?? Seems like discrimination to me. So sorry to those of you who wait for 10 years to get a Vias....if you could just swim over we'll let you in ahead of the line...and not only that you can get everything.

The fact that George Bush is pushing that very opinion shows you how f'ing retarded it is.
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Old 07-09-2007, 04:06 PM   #18
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Ahh, didn't I wrestle with the issue of all illegal immigrants supposedly being shitcunts a few days ago?
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Old 07-09-2007, 04:27 PM   #19
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Well, the idea that a person who is willing to break a law they feel is immoral is a person who cannot be trusted to uphold any law really runs afoul of our nation's history. Quite a few of our forefathers espoused the principle of disobeying an unjust law. Long wait lines for visas just so you can compete in a job market that, while illegal, is booming sounds like an unjust law. I mean, the law literally doesn't represent the needs of the American citizen. Otherwise why would illegals be able to get work?

In addition, they are shitcunts.
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Old 07-09-2007, 05:10 PM   #20
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Incidence, are you saying you've never broken any law? Because if you have, you're obviously a murderer.
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Because they are risking life and limb to get jobs and provide for their families, making them more responsible than plenty of people already living here?

Besides the "They're law-breakers! Illegals!" Sounds false to me when the problem is there isn't a person among us that hasn't violated one law or another. I mean, isn't mail fraud and opium smuggling all in the eye of the beholder?


yea, my question basically was, I asked because its an easy way to see if someone has researched their option or if its just a knee-jerk reaction. In area's with high illegal immigrant populations, parts of California and Texas being the most commonly studied area's, there is an increase in some types of crimes but the increase doesn't scale directly with an increase in illegal immigrants so you can't directly link an increase in crime to the increase in illegal immigrant like a number of pundits like to do, nor can you just assume that illegal immigrants are decent people. Reality never conforms to easy political platitudes.

Schnoogs got it basically right, some are decent people and some are scum, we have laws that are suppose to separate the decent people from the scum and allow the decent ones to come in while barring the scum, the only problem is that right now both sets of laws are screwed up. It is so hard and takes so long for decent people to get in legally that it does drive them to enter illegally. On the other hand, enforcement of existing laws is so lax and inconsistent that it does hurt the economy and hurts people that are here legally both economically and decreases public safety. Both sets of laws need to be updated and enforced.
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