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Old 11-05-2012, 10:58 AM   #561
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Why would they air a relief marathon? They're a news network! And about the only one that actually tries to be fair and balanced. Have you watched MSNBC lately? Or are you one of those brainwashed Obama zombies?

By the way, my wife made a brilliant point yesterday. Romney and Obama should be elected based on who wins a game of Civilization with an Economic victory.
Fair and balanced? You can't possibly be serious. That was just a trolling thing right? Honestly, I think Rupert Murdoch went to Japan and hired some people to make him some very life like robots and he put them on TV to say whatever his evil little mind wanted. lol Those aren't people on Fox. They are heartless, unsympathetic, shit-spewing low lives, that have no souls to speak of.
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:16 AM   #562
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That is a very very twisted view. I believe in some radical things and how things should be run, but come on, you actually believe you are a slave? Really? Thats a bold statement. You might as well call yourself a rape victim while you are at it.
It's not twisted at all. I'll define terms for you.

I can understand why you might find it a shocking view, why you'd have cognitive dissonance even attempting to grok it, but it's perfectly consistent.

A slave has 100% of all decisions made for him. That is what defines a slave in part, that he is controlled by the master. Secondly, force is used against him to ensure that this happens, that is to say, he is being coerced to remain in this condition and cannot escape it. Thirdly, everything he earns is taken from him, 100%.

Now, let's examine taxation and gov control.

The average person, all taxes at all levels combined, pays let's say between 30% - 50% of all the money they earn to the government. That is, like the slaves, value they earn is taken from them against their will.

The actual effect is that instead of them deciding what to spend the money they earned on, the government decides for them, which means 30-50% of their purchase decisions are now being made for them. There's massive regulation on top of that which presumes to tell people what other voluntary transactions they cannot engage in.

Every instance of so-called "white-crime" or victimless crime is an abrogation of their rights to control and be responsible for their own body, of their freedom.

The government also engages in literal 100% slavery when it claims the right to conscript people into the military. I defy you to defend conscription as not de facto compulsory slavery.

As Rothbard wrote, "regardless of popular sanction, War is Mass Murder, Conscription is Slavery, and Taxation is Robbery."

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In a sense, the entire system of taxation is a form of involuntary servitude. Take, in particular, the income tax. The high levels of income tax mean that all of us work a large part of the year—several months—for nothing, for Uncle Sam, before being allowed to enjoy our incomes on the market. Part of the essence of slavery, after all, is forced work for someone at little or no pay. But the income tax means that we sweat and earn income, only to see the government extract a large chunk of it by coercion for its own purposes. What is this but forced labor at no pay?

The withholding feature of the income tax is a still more clear-cut instance of involuntary servitude. For as the intrepid Connecticut industrialist Vivien Kellems argued years ago, the employer is forced to expend time, labor, and money in the business of deducting and transmitting his employees’ taxes to the federal and state governments—yet the employer is not recompensed for this expenditure. What moral principle justifies the government’s forcing employers to act as its unpaid tax collectors?

For what is slavery but (a) forcing people to work at tasks the slavemaster wishes, and (b) paying them either pure subsistence or, at any rate, less than the slave would have accepted voluntarily. In short, forced labor at below free-market wages. Thus, are we really free of “slavery,” of involuntary servitude in present-day America? Is the prohibition against involuntary servitude of the Thirteenth Amendment really being obeyed?
Compulsory jury duty also would count as a form of modern slavery.

We as a society have no outlawed slavery at all, we merely accept soft slavery or hard slavery.

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Are you prepared to say that a man who is only forced to work for no pay for a few months a year is not a slave, or at least for that period indeed a slave? That's what all of us are made through taxation, unpaid laborers for the government.
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:34 AM   #563
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:48 AM   #564
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:49 AM   #565
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Er...disregard that carry on! :P
Lol, that's true, this thread is the most epic troll on EvAv ever ^_^

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Old 11-05-2012, 11:50 AM   #566
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So any of you fools who hate Fox News think MSNBC is fair and balanced then? If so you're freaking delusional.

I'm not trolling I'm goddamn serious. I love Fox News, deal with it.
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:52 AM   #567
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This thread is comedy gold, I read through it every now and then just for a laugh. I wish I could be insane like most people.

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Old 11-05-2012, 11:53 AM   #568
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So any of you fools who hate Fox News think MSNBC is fair and balanced then? If so you're freaking delusional.

I'm not trolling I'm goddamn serious. I love Fox News, deal with it.
Who said anything about liking MSNBC. Hell, I dont like most news broadcasts, but it is pretty much a FACT that Fox News is not fair, nor are they balanced. They have a Republican Agenda, which is pretty clear.

That alone shows that they are not fair or balanced, so therefore again, you are wrong. Just admit that. Admit that Fox News isn't fair nor balanced.
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:58 AM   #569
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Per, the slavery.

You dont have to live here, you have a choice to move. You can move to a different country. Some countries (in Africa) dont have taxes. You dont pay any dues or anything like that, but at the same time, dont be expecting to be given the freedoms you have here. Or the things that keep you safe.

To call yourself a slave because you want to define it by some other terms isn't justified. Its just wrong. You are not a slave, you have a choice. They didn't. They literally got put on a boat and sent to work. You have a choice to work or not. You dont have to work.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:01 PM   #571
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Who said anything about liking MSNBC. Hell, I dont like most news broadcasts, but it is pretty much a FACT that Fox News is not fair, nor are they balanced. They have a Republican Agenda, which is pretty clear.

That alone shows that they are not fair or balanced, so therefore again, you are wrong. Just admit that. Admit that Fox News isn't fair nor balanced.
They only seem to have a Republican agenda because every other channel has a serious Democrat agenda. But yes, some shows do have a conservative world view, just like freaking Chris Matthews on MSBNC is as Obama loving as you can get.

If you guys spent a week actually WATCHING Fox News and Fox Business for the excellent Lou Dobbs, John Stossel, commentary from Krauthammer, etc instead of just looking at soundbites meant to discredit or believing your big lib friends and rest of the liberal biased media, you might actually realize they are not any of the things you claim them to be.

Do I agree with everything they say, no, especially when one of their antiquarians talks about social issues. But 90% is spot on, unlike 10% on the other networks.

Why don't you take it from someone who basically watches cable news channels all the time when they're not gaming? Seriously, it's all I watch on TV. I'm a major political pundit. Like tomorrow I will have election coverage on ALL DAY LONG on TV.
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Yeah, sorry I'm not a liberal progressive herd following naive yuppie like the rest of you.

You wanna make that new quote part of your sig again? Go ahead, this time I'd be honored.

Just because I'm a gamer, or into industrial/goth music, doesn't mean I have to have same naive world views as the rest of you.

You vote your conscience, I'll vote mine.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:12 PM   #574
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Just because I'm a gamer, or into industrial/goth music, doesn't mean I have to have same naive world views as the rest of you..
You sound like an angsty teen who just hit 18 and wants to vote against his parents to be a rebel. So edgy!
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You always troll the easiest/most emotional person.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:32 PM   #576
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You sound like an angsty teen who just hit 18 and wants to vote against his parents to be a rebel. So edgy!
Haha! First of all, I'm twice that age. And I know the dangers of all this bullshit socialism and wealth redistribution. I've lived under communism in the early 80s, buddy. I remember being on rationed bread lines as a child. I never wanted to rebel against my parents. I wanted to rebel against all the idiots around me in high school. Yeah, I listened to Nine Inch Nails back then, all angsty and edgy, but that's because I was rebelling against my classmates, who you actually remind me of, not my parents.

Ironically, my father used to have the same conservative views I do now. He's the one who influenced in part my political views. But in his older age (past 60) he's been brainwashed by NPR and prefers Democrats for one very simple reason: HE LEECHES OFF THE GOVERNMENT DOLE when he doesn't really need to. He's done it for over 20 years now when he could instead have had a decent job, decent money, a decent house, etc like myself. But nope, he'd rather not work, and the government has allowed him to do just that, and collect your taxpayer money for over 20 years.

So thanks, Suicidal, for helping pay for my dad's laziness. Unless of course, you're the actual 18 year old rebelling against their parents? That sounds much more likely. But hey, how about instead of "Mutual Hatred" you change that to "Mutual Respect", and stop jumping on my back all the time. I'll be happy to respect your opinions if you can respect mine. Or, you can respond with another predictable "har har" one liner, up to you.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:37 PM   #577
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He sure does. He would have made an awesome high school bully. I'm convinced he either was one, is one, or always wanted to be one.

Your observation, Agnostic, is pretty spot on. Would explain why I was such a target of bullies growing up... well, aside from that time I kicked one of them in the nuts.
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Fair and balanced? You can't possibly be serious. That was just a trolling thing right?
He's not joking. If you go to red states, there are people who say stuff like this even though Fox News isn't even subtle about their bias. They have mountains of memos that tell them to focus on issues that are bad for Democrats and to spin those issues that are bad for Republicans. So not only should a reasonably intelligent person be able to see this by just watching their incredibly unbalanced propaganda station, they can literally be shown documents that show it explicitly.

But you aren't "going to change their minds" because the truth is that people like the heterosexist poster that brought this up (forget his name, sorry) already know that it's not balanced. They are just so far in the bubble that real news that isn't propaganda for their worldview seems unbalanced to them.
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I cant believe you r tards are arguing over news channels. 2004 called. They said to move on.
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