Sony's more like fine wine. A lot of less culturally-aware consumers would balk at the idea of paying $3,000 for a '23 Petrus and consider these people irrational "fanboys" of wine.
Likewise, the person who can appreciate the unrivaled quality of vintage wine would balk at the idea of 'settling' for a bland boxed-wine from the grocery store even if it's only $8.
At the end of the day, cheap wine and shovelware get bought by casual spenders who aren't very dedicated to the respective hobbies. While vintage wine and 'premium' games are favored by those who are more informed, more exposed, and more invested across the board.
While the McDonald's analogy is somewhat flawed, the man makes most of the other "common sense" analysts look like toddlers. Go SDF Press!
Actually, I would say that the Ps3 is like buying a vineyard.
You could potentially have great wine in the future, but you are ponying up a large cost for what could be a whole bunch of sour grapes
You could Say that the Wii is like McDonalds. Cheap, fast and low quality. It really is the developers and not the system though.
I'd rather go to 5 guys burgers and fries for my burger fix.
And grab a good steak to make on the grill at home.
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That has got to be the queerest thing ever said on the internet.
Nothing in particular directed at an one individual thing said somewhere in this thread? Could ya maybe be a little more vague, perhaps?
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Actually, I would say that the Ps3 is like buying a vineyard.
You could potentially have great wine in the future, but you are ponying up a large cost for what could be a whole bunch of sour grapes
I'd love to hear Pachter's explanation of exactly how he justifies PS3 to be the "fine dining" experience, with the 360 being somewhere between that and the Wii's "McDonald's".
The obvious and easy answer is Blu-ray, but with the 360 packing Netflix now (not to mention it's other sources of streaming HD content, I'd say that that at least levels the playing field on the media front.
Aside from that, what's left? Games? Visual fidelity? Controls, maybe? Seriously--someone call this guy out and slap him with a good ol' fashioned Internet "Justify or Delete".
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First off, the idea that people are unaware of the differences is the same old stupid song and dance, as if the industry just started this generation. This is the viewpoint of the biased and/or entrenched, the idea that consumers aren’t aware that there are high production cost games or ones with better graphics, and that must be why they are making the choices they’re making, it’s just stupid. The quote touches on this, then cruises right by it so it can make it’s comparison.
Secondly, when both of these restaurants require you to pay a $250+ membership fee to buy a meal, then you have a better comparison. Until then, you have to look at why they bought the system before considering why they buy the games. They buy the Wii games because they own a Wii, and don’t see enough of a reason to invest in another system (if you’re looking at the people that don’t own another system). In the end, the vast majority of Wii gamers that don’t go further than the Wii do so because of discretion, not ignorance. Seriously, the idea here is that most McDonald’s customers are unaware that a better hamburger can be bought? Puuulease.
McDonalds is more popular for many, many reasons, most of which are unrelated to the Wii. There’s the speed at which you’re served, which is not relevant. There’s the price, which is possibly relevant, but not likely (not relevant for 360, and landscape didn’t change when they changed their price). McDonalds is also very old/entrenched, which isn’t comparable with respect to consoles (at least not if Nintendo=McDonalds). McDonald's also has more locations than others, also not relevant. This seems like a horribly strained comparison.
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Nintendo's problem with the Wii audience, imo - is that they're completely removed from the upgrade cycle. They won't feel any desire to buy a Wii 2 unless there's a powerful case for the upgrade.
There’s always a powerful reason to upgrade, cause that’s where the games are. The reason people upgrade infrastructure is because it’s new, and/or required. They’re on their 3rd iteration of the DS, you should rethink this viewpoint, IMO.
Hmmm I should have titled it "A toast to Sony's failure" or added another chat quip from 360 saying "no wonder we are winning. uh, you got the check right big N?"
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Actually, I would say that the Ps3 is like buying a vineyard.
You could potentially have great wine in the future, but you are ponying up a large cost for what could be a whole bunch of sour grapes
Man did you hit that one out of the park!
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Oh and BTW yes the PS3 eatery is delicious, limited choices, but better choices. Lets just say this, you pay for what you get!
What? What better choices? Better choices than what? I own a PS3, and I love it, but I would liken it more to a Swiss Army Knife - or to keep this "foodie" analogy going - like an overpriced diner. Its got all your old favorites, and a few new ones, but it costs way too much for what you are getting. Regardless, its a nice place to go once in a while.
Since I never said anything about food, here it goes.
Nintendo is indeed like McDonalds. Big Macs for the adults, Happy Meals for the kids, and salads on the menu for Wii-fit fanatics. Clean, reliable, cheap. There is no reason why anyone woulden't like them.
Xbox360 is like a pizza joint. Easy to find and american made. It's the choice food of nerds, stoners, and gamers alike. You can order what ever you want from lite veggie to hardcore deep-dish and the price is reasonable. They even deliver via XboxLive.
Sony is like a Hibachi restaurant. Flashy chefs who make outrageous claims but put on fantastic shows. The portions are too small, but your PS3 doubles as a grill! The prices will keep you from coming back all the time but it's a great way to impress your friends.
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I think that's another case of looking at the Wii from an old standpoint.
I disagree. Looking at any historical gaming data is the 'old way' IMO. Mothers and grandparents bought the Wii. Not for children, but for themselves.
That's never happened before.
So gaming history is almost entirely irrelevant. Maybe Wii owners will fall into the cycle. It's certainly possible. But these are people who, as a demographic, don't go for technology++ in any other electronics sector.
So simply assuming they'll go for it strikes me as ... well, the sort of thinking that never would have made a product that caught their attention in the first place.
And the 'new colors' bit... I don't know if that's helpful either. Handhelds are an accessory, so it makes sense that they're responsive to fashion moves. But are mothers and grandparents who already have a Wii really going to buy a Wii-Red so it looks fresh and new in their livingroom?
I disagree. Looking at any historical gaming data is the 'old way' IMO. Mothers and grandparents bought the Wii. Not for children, but for themselves.
That's never happened before.
So gaming history is almost entirely irrelevant. Maybe Wii owners will fall into the cycle. It's certainly possible. But these are people who, as a demographic, don't go for technology++ in any other electronics sector.
So simply assuming they'll go for it strikes me as ... well, the sort of thinking that never would have made a product that caught their attention in the first place.
And the 'new colors' bit... I don't know if that's helpful either. Handhelds are an accessory, so it makes sense that they're responsive to fashion moves. But are mothers and grandparents who already have a Wii really going to buy a Wii-Red so it looks fresh and new in their livingroom?
I don't think you're getting my point.
I think it's old thinking to suggest that the next iteration of the Wii is going to be the Wii with more hardware on the inside.
The next iteration of the Wii might be a circle you lay on the floor like the Sony "Activator" or whatever it was called.
If you create a fun experience, people will buy it. I think it's sony's thinking to see the console market as an arms race and the person who has the box with the most crap in it is going to win.
I think it's old thinking to suggest that the next iteration of the Wii is going to be the Wii with more hardware on the inside.
The next iteration of the Wii might be a circle you lay on the floor like the Sony "Activator" or whatever it was called.
If you create a fun experience, people will buy it. I think it's sony's thinking to see the console market as an arms race and the person who has the box with the most crap in it is going to win.
