OPINION. NOT FACT. You wouldn't feel that way if you played on your PC and 360 equally (assuming you even have a 360, which it sounds like you don't.)

The game possibly won't use GFWL:

http://www.edge-online.com/news/dark...y-not-use-gfwl

The only purpose it servers is padding your gamerscore.

All PC gamers get out of it is bloatware and wretched matchmaking.

I guess this means that it will lock them out of their copy of the game if they did manage to get a copy of it.


Are you just ignoring all the real problems with GFWL? People are not hating on it because it's another DRM thing, they're hating it because it doesn't work. I'm OK with my games having xbox points - I can just ignore them. Can't ignore the giant issues that prevents me from playing the games.


My first issue with GFWL was when I upgraded to Windows 7 from the beta and discovered I couldn't use my save in Arkham Asylum on the new install because GFWL locked them to the old install. I was apparently 1-2 hours from the end.
The second one was when I bought Bioshock 2 on a steam sale. GFWL wouldn't update so I tried to play in offline mode. One hour into the game I discovered that I couldn't save the game because I was "obviously" using a pirated copy of the game.

OK I will admit, it has some issues.

Now if only Valve and Microsoft had teamed up and implemented things correctly, with Steam doing the DRM, and Microsoft doing the Live and Achievements part. Maybe Steamworks and Live simultaneous sign-in and matchmaking. Wouldn't that be great? That's what Valve did with PSN for Portal 2! I am signed into Steam and PSN at the same time, cross platform play, etc it all works gloriously!

Too bad there is this animosity between Valve and Microsoft for some reason, even though their HQs are basically right next to each other, each about 20 minutes from my house.

I don't understand why they had to go and create their own thing with GFWL instead of co-operating with Valve like Sony did. Maybe it was hubris by MS... or by Valve. Maybe one side tried and other refused. I guess we'll never know.

I wish I could drag Gabe and Ballmer into a room and broker a piece deal that would lead some kind of integration that makes everyone happy.

I don't know a single PC gamer who cares for Achievements Dragon.

For the thousandth time, no one gives a crap about achievements. Except you.

OK fine, I am unique. But just because I have unique opinion doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to voice it.

The only cure for me is to back in time to 2004 before these blasted "Achievements" and "Trophies" existed and I was just a long time, hard core PC gamer. But I can't quit the habit.

Just buy a sports car like a normal person.

I don't care about achievements, but I can relate to where you're coming from. I've played enough MMOs to know what it's like to get caught up in things.

That's what I did. Zoooom!

In that case, it should be required for EVERY PC game. ;)

PC Gamer? Are those the people in the corner playing Starcraft II, WoW or Console leftovers? I pity those people. I do.

We're playing indie games, Evil, and not cash-grab iOS-style horseshit. ;)

Also, GFWL fucked my Arkham Asylum save files in the ass twice. Goddamn that game-breaking filth.

I'd like to add that if they decide to drop GFWL, I will avoid the wait-for-a-bargain stance I typically reserve for AAA titles.

No sale until they fix this. I've lost save files due to this horrible DRM and this is especially not the kind of game I wish for that to happen on.

Pity is for the weak. For shame sir. Now give me sloppy seconds!

Or start a new country in the middle of the ocean! :P

Do you not know anything about the history of Valve?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabe_Newell
That is a very nice way to put that Gabe left microsoft cause he didn't want to deal with their bullshit and then created Valve as the opposite kind of corporate structure. This is the reason that Valve is still completely private and gabe will not sell out to microsoft or anyone.

Sigh.... I r dissapoint Evil... We know that you are hatin due to the awesome steam sales.... Or you just a closet MMO'er.....:rolleyes: