Football Manager 360 Hard Drive Only Questions Answered

[RichardTowler]

Sega sent along a short message about the Football Manager HD only issue.

'Because we wanted to give Xbox 360 users a superior game experience with the same richness and tactical depth that Football Manager has traditionally offered, we asked Microsoft whether we could develop Football Manager 2006 to be a Hard Drive only game. Microsoft agreed as they wanted the best possible game for their console, and with Xbox Live multiplayer being incorporated into the title, we now have a complete Football Manager experience for console gamers, the first time in the franchise's history'
That's all folks.

[Dr Quincy]

Because we wanted Xbox 360 users to have a superior game experience with the same richness that the Xbox has traditionally offered, we asked Microsoft whether they could develop the Xbox 360 to come fitted with a Hard Drive. Microsoft said...

[Citizen Philip]

For the first time ever you get a complete Football Manager game? So like, what were they selling before, incomplete Football Managing games?

[dotbomb]

who'd a thunk it!

[emperordahc]

I hope more developers do this and gives a big ________ to the people that bought core systems. Hopefully MS will quit setting the crap version. Geeze.

[Genital Eclipse]

Because we wanted Xbox 360 users to have a superior game experience with the same richness that the Xbox has traditionally offered, we asked Microsoft whether they could develop the Xbox 360 to come fitted with a Hard Drive. Microsoft said...

Oh please already, you can buy the system with the HD included or buy it off the shelf for around 20 bucks. So buy 20 less 1 dollar monkey-imprinted condoms and you can get the HD.

[Genital Eclipse]

I hope more developers do this and gives a big ________ to the people that bought core systems. Hopefully MS will quit setting the crap version. Geeze.

Please refer to my prior post.

[Ludoc]

Oh please already, you can buy the system with the HD included or buy it off the shelf for around 20 bucks. So buy 20 less 1 dollar monkey-imprinted condoms and you can get the HD.

I agree, I can't see why so many people are up in arms about games that require the hard drive. The price difference between buying the premium console and buying the core with a hard drive negligible.

[Genital Eclipse]

I'm going to post 3 times here real fast and just pretend when I said around 20 bucks I meant 90 something bucks so that's 90 less condoms for you math fans.

[jacktion]

The big deal is that Microsoft explicitly said, "No games will require the Hard Drive."
They said that people should feel safe to buy just the core system and that it will fufill all their needs. Now, only a few months later they are revealing that they were lying in order to make money. They lied so that they would be able to say in the mainstream media, "360s are cheap! We have a core system!"
If people had known that games would need the hard drive than they would have bought the deluxe package and saved money. Now they have to buy everything piecemeal and they are getting screwed by lying Microsoft. Another "F U" to the customer by the bastards in Seattle.

[bapenguin]

The big deal is that Microsoft explicitly said, "No games will require the Hard Drive."
They said that people should feel safe to buy just the core system and that it will fufill all their needs. Now, only a few months later they are revealing that they were lying in order to make money. They lied so that they would be able to say in the mainstream media, "360s are cheap! We have a core system!"
If people had known that games would need the hard drive than they would have bought the deluxe package and saved money. Now they have to buy everything piecemeal and they are getting screwed by lying Microsoft. Another "F U" to the customer by the bastards in Seattle.

There's a difference between a company saying via a Press Release and a Spokesperson saying in an interview. If we took everything every PR person said as truth, we'd have a lot of broken hearts.

[GrinR]

The big deal is that Microsoft explicitly said, "No games will require the Hard Drive."
They said that people should feel safe to buy just the core system and that it will fufill all their needs. Now, only a few months later they are revealing that they were lying in order to make money. They lied so that they would be able to say in the mainstream media, "360s are cheap! We have a core system!"
If people had known that games would need the hard drive than they would have bought the deluxe package and saved money. Now they have to buy everything piecemeal and they are getting screwed by lying Microsoft. Another "F U" to the customer by the bastards in Seattle.

Why don't you cry more

This is by far the most overblown tempest I've ever heard. I wasn't even sure why this new article was news. If you can afford the hundreds of dollars it costs to get a 360, and likely the HDTV/widescreen monitor to go with it, the "extra" 90 dollars isn't going to bust your bankroll. If you are low-income and scrimped and saved to get the core version, you likely couldn't have afforded the premium version anyway. If you are in that middle-of-the-road area where you MIGHT have been able to afford the premium version, you lost out on the opportunity to pay or save a whopping 10 dollars (depending on taxes and sales) to get the HD WITH the 360.

Furthermore, if you really thought that XYZ product would have the capacity for 123, but that developers wouldn't take advantage of 123 if it would help drive sales, you are clearly new to the game. Capacity is -always- filled, and if you don't believe me, check your 80-500 gigs of HD space and tell me how much free space is left.

Yeah. Boo-ya.

[bjornbarspingvinen]

quality wins. good.

[Borys]

Microsoft lied and lied hard mind you not the first and not the last time in their history.

It's not about the costs GrinR, be it 0.01$, 100$ or 500$ - it's about being deceived, shrugging and then taking it up the ass. Or swallowing. Seems you like both.

To be frank I really thought Halo 3 would be the first game to require a HDD.

[Lord Dongkey]

"Because we wanted to give Xbox 360 users a superior game experience with the same richness and tactical depth that Football Manager has traditionally offered"


Ahem.... ->GAG

"Microsoft agreed as they wanted the best possible game for their console"

GAG GAG

"and with Xbox Live multiplayer being incorporated into the title, we now have a complete Football Manager **experience** for console gamers, the first time in the franchise's history"

EL VOMITAR!

Let me paraphrase their press release:

Because we wanted to give Xbox 360 users a bullshit game buzzword with the same shitstorm-bullshit and deadhorse-buzzword that Football Manager has buuuuuulshit offered, we asked Microsoft whether WE COULD develop Football Manager 2006 to be a Hard Drive only game (queue stampede of angry peasants with pitchforks, stopping in their tracks, scratching their heads... who to blame?!). Microsoft agreed as they wanted the blahblahbullshitbuzzword for their console, and with Xbox Live multiplayer being incorporated into the title, we now have a (insert white noise here) game for console gamers, for the first time in the franchise's history'

Market Speech? Dear good God Damn,
I do not like it, Sam I am.

[Dariath]

Saying one thing and doing another is lying, period. A PR person should know when he can and can not make a promise. Yay for splitting the market. More games will do this, don't worry. And quality could have won on all games that could have required a HD if there was no core system. Oblivion, and any other game that could have been better.

[GrinR]

Microsoft lied and lied hard mind you not the first and not the last time in their history.

It's not about the costs GrinR, be it 0.01$, 100$ or 500$ - it's about being deceived, shrugging and then taking it up the ass. Or swallowing. Seems you like both.

To be frank I really thought Halo 3 would be the first game to require a HDD.

Whooooa there big-boy. I may like taking it up the ass and swallowing, but where did this kind of personal attack come from? Jeez!

I wasn't decieved because I didn't even hear about the no-HD-required promise or whatever it was. That said, hearing about it in retrospect, I simply don't consider it an issue. A PR flack / company rep said one thing and it turned out a different way?? Say it isn't so!

I still think it's a non-issue, unless you simply have too much free time on your hands or you're hyper-sensitive to the unimportant minutia of the gaming industry. My advice to people who think this is worth getting in an uproar about? Google "africa aids relief" and spend your time on something worthwhile.

[Xerxes]

"Because we wanted to give Xbox 360 users a superior game experience with the same richness and tactical depth that Football Manager has traditionally offered"


Ahem.... ->GAG

"Microsoft agreed as they wanted the best possible game for their console"

GAG GAG

"and with Xbox Live multiplayer being incorporated into the title, we now have a complete Football Manager **experience** for console gamers, the first time in the franchise's history"

EL VOMITAR!

Let me paraphrase their press release:

Because we wanted to give Xbox 360 users a bullshit game buzzword with the same shitstorm-bullshit and deadhorse-buzzword that Football Manager has buuuuuulshit offered, we asked Microsoft whether WE COULD develop Football Manager 2006 to be a Hard Drive only game (queue stampede of angry peasants with pitchforks, stopping in their tracks, scratching their heads... who to blame?!). Microsoft agreed as they wanted the blahblahbullshitbuzzword for their console, and with Xbox Live multiplayer being incorporated into the title, we now have a (insert white noise here) game for console gamers, for the first time in the franchise's history'

Market Speech? Dear good God Damn,
I do not like it, Sam I am.

You are funny...

[Genital Eclipse]

Whooooa there big-boy. I may like taking it up the ass and swallowing, but where did this kind of personal attack come from? Jeez!


Hey man what did you expect, this is a thread about a HD and a football manager game. Things can get heated due to it's all life consuming importance. I for one am quitting my job, joining the rebellion, and forming a picket line outside all stores selling the add-on HD.

[MosBen]

There are games for the PS2 that don't work without a hard drive, right?

[Akeldama]

I wonder how many people here winging actually know anything about the FM franchise on PC or why the console game would require a HD?

In the game you can run quite a few leagues at once, which means their results are calculated in detail and you are able to move to work in this divisions. To do this the game creates a big database when the current game is created. This database is then used for all the play using it. Ang guess what? It's a big old file, too big for the memory card that's for sure.

I visited the developer last week and they were incredulous about all the fuss surrounding the issue, especially as they've said from the start it would be HD only and only now is there a fuss about it. SI wanted to give console owners the same full experience as the PC game, the only way this is possible is using the hard drive.

The other issue is High Definition. It's a text heavy game so you might expect it'll only be worth playing on HDTV. But the devs purposely developed the game on the cheapest, shitiest 14" portable TV (I've seen it in action) to make sure it worked for everyone.

This isn't some dev skimping and only trying to appeal to folks with all the most expensive gear.

[Borys]

Whooooa there big-boy. I may like taking it up the ass and swallowing, but where did this kind of personal attack come from? Jeez!


Whooo boy we're cool now.

Now if someone (not exactly you) has the balls to call out Sony "OMG! they lied with Killzone/ AOL/ FF8 tech-demo" etc. he'd better have the same balls to call out Microsoft on their lies.

Hypocrisy is fanboism's best friend.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

There are games for the PS2 that don't work without a hard drive, right?


There's one - FFXI, and there was a shitstorm about that too, but for different reasons.

[GrinR]

See I don't bother calling out stuff like that at all. Companies overblow everything all the time. My measure of what to expect from a company comes from what they have actually delivered in my hand previously, the rest is just words. I know what to expect from PS3 - a PS2 with slightly nicer graphics and an integrated Online component. I knew what to expect from Xbox360 - an Xbox with much nicer graphics and an improved Xbox Live.

I'm just saying this HD kerfuffle is a bit of fluff

[Goronmon]

I guess MS did lie by saying that no games would require a hard-drive. But you know what? I don't care, I want the games to be as good as they can be. So, if requiring a hard drive makes the game better, then I am all for it.

[Ajguy]

I think we all need to realize that The casual gamer (people who are most likely to own core systems) fall into one of two categories:
1.) They don't comulsively read every PR interview like we do to see if we can catch MS in a lie about the HD's use in games.
2.) Has anyone noticed what game this is? Football Manager? I highly doubt this game is going to appeal to the casual masses. They're all playing Madden.

[astronautsandwich]

All I'm gonna say is: I agree with GrinR, we should be using "swallowing" as a negative on here. I am also going to say that while I don't agree with you getting all up in arms about some crappy football manager game requiring a hard drive to play it, I will defend with my life your right to whine about it.

P.S. (that is an arrested development joke, not a dig at our armed forces)

[Sensei-X]

Is this even being released in the US? For those of you that haven't figured it out yet this is a "soccer" managing game and I doubt very many people really would care one way or the other. This isn't a flagship title, hell it's not even made by Microsoft, so all you people need to calm down. If you should be bitching at anyone it's those "evil bastards" at Sega for forcing you at gunpoint to buy a hard drive.

[TKO]

The 'niche' audience of this title aside, I really don't get the fuss. If yer seriously suprised that a HD-only title has surfaced, I'm sorry for your naivety in these things. I hope it doesn't too badly affect your appetite when it comes time for milk and cookies before bedtime. And to be angry at Microsoft for this? Heh, yeah right. If you thought Microsoft were in anyway the embodiment of honesty and virtue, well, I dunno where you've been hiding throughout their rise to power thus far. (The methods of which I won't detail .. they'll obviously be too shocking for around here.) ;)

Personally, I think this is the best way to be doing the console: The vast majority of games will allow for no hard-drive being there, and Microsoft are going to try to keep it this way so that people who purchased a core system still have a good selection of games. (And lets face it, most games do *not* require huge HD-databases, so I expect core support will always be good.)

I think it's nice that developers, if they really want to develop something different that requires HD use, have the option to put their case to Microsoft, rather than not having the option at all.

[DeadlyDonkey]

For the first time ever you get a complete Football Manager game? So like, what were they selling before, incomplete Football Managing games?

Read much?

we now have a complete Football Manager experience for console gamers, the first time in the franchise's history

[bjornbarspingvinen]

Best version possible=Win

If you can´t see that = stupid