PlayStation Network: Xbox Live Killer?

[BenN1ce]

This was written at TeamXbox strange as it seems. (http://editorials.teamxbox.com/xbox/1481/PlayStation-Network-An-Xbox-Live-Killer/p1/)

Speaking of the undeniable success of Xbox Live, Kutaragi, the creator of the PlayStation, commented, “Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a Karate master, and Microsoft is still not black belt”.

Besides Ken’s expected favoritism, he has a valid point. The PlayStation 2 is the best-selling console of the current generation with more than 100 million units sold worldwide. North America, which could be considered Microsoft’s own camp, is the largest market for the PS2 to date with sales over 40 million units. On the other side, in Japan, Sony’s territory, Microsoft is struggling even worse with the Xbox 360 than it did with the original Xbox.

[GrinR]

Xbox is doomed.




BWAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

[Suicidal ShiZuru]

Xbox is doomed.




BWAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA


BWAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

[Heretic Machine]

Speaking of the undeniable success of Xbox Live, Kutaragi, the creator of the PlayStation, commented, “Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a Karate master, and Microsoft is still not black belt”.

So, having a nationalistic country and a firm following of ignorant fanboys behind you is the equivalent to being a black belt?

[Deathbane27]

So, having a nationalistic country and a firm following of ignorant fanboys behind you is the equivalent to being a black belt?

Did someone call Bush a black belt?






:p

[thecrazyd]

What an asshole. You think he would show his competitors a little bit of respect, instead of being a total asshole about it. Especially when they haven't shown anything yet.

[Sion]

OMG!
The console war is over!

[TrackZero]

So, because PS2 was a successful console, that somehow translates that they can develop a better online experience, even though they've failed to do so for the last few years and that Xbox was only lucky so far? Yeah. Right. STFU Ken, seriously.

[TrackZero]

So, having a nationalistic country and a firm following of ignorant fanboys behind you is the equivalent to being a black belt?

Heh, I thought he was talking about Japan. *rimshot*

[outontheporch]

dang, the xbox fonboyism is is quite high on this site.

[RMan]

Yea, that's a pretty lame thing for the guy to say, wildly egotistical. Interestingly, likely a karate master would still give their opponent a nod of respect, even if they thought it was lucky, because they’re generally not that insecure. Ehh, they’re really starting to sound like Nintendo before the N64 launch, I’d be happy to see them go down in flames.

[Deadend]

Well, he is partially correct. If the PS3 has a network that is as good as Live, then the X360 will be in trouble. However, the odds of that are slim to nill. As I think we would have heard about Sony setting up infrastructure capable of supporting a system like Live.

It is nice to hear him talking shit however.

He never says anything real about the PS3, just about that it will be "AWESOME!" and constantly putting down the X360. I call emotion engine 2.0.

[sTubbs]

dang, the xbox fonboyism is is quite high on this site.

I will concede that this site is tilted toward the XBOX camp, but I hope that you are not implying that Kutaragi should be taken solely on his word. To say that the man has said batshit crazy insane things is a tragic understatement. The PS3 launch is worryingly close to repeating the worst aspects of the PS2 launch, and Kenny boy running his mouth off is not making matters any better.

Fact: Sony has shown NOTHING tangible of the PS3 aside from a few pre rendered movies and a couple real time renders. They have not even finalized the design, and the hardware can not even fit into what they have shown so far. Then they have the whole Blu Ray thing that is looking more and more unnecessary as time moves on. So, unffinalized hardware, no publicly shown playable games, unnecessary and expensive Blu Ray, incomplete design specs, the list goes on. Yet according to Sony and Ken, the system will launch within three months and absolutely crush the 360 in every concievable way.

For some reason I am just not buying that. When Sony stops hiding behind Ken's rhetoric and start showing something playable I might consider changing my position. If that makes me XBOX biased then so be it.

[Morratut]

Sony has shown nothing. It's all bullshit, lies and rumours and mad SonyKen.

Xbox 360 is here, it's real, in my living room and I can play over Live on a real network.

If Sony does do a better job than MS then I will buy a PS3. Until that happens i'm in the MS camp.

Simple.

If that makes me a XboxFANBOY then so be it :rolleyes:

[bjornbarspingvinen]

How much more competence does Microsoft have in network coding, infrastructure etc?

It´s Sony who´s the underdog here when it comes to ONline structure . If he was talking about the console itself , that´s another story. But him saying Sony is the master of Online is pure BS. Kutargi is such a BS guy, I have nothing against sony, have owned most of their hardware, but that man is so full of BS .

[Dr Quincy]

Xbox you die now.

[SMES]

Sony has shown nothing. It's all bullshit, lies and rumours and mad SonyKen.

Xbox 360 is here, it's real, in my living room and I can play over Live on a real network.

If Sony does do a better job than MS then I will buy a PS3. Until that happens i'm in the MS camp.

Simple.

If that makes me a XboxFANBOY then so be it :rolleyes:

It is pretty hard to argue with a tangible product one can caress at night, should one be so inclined, isn't it?

There's nothing fanboyish in enjoying the 360 and being skeptical about the PS3. It's not that I don't expect the PS3 to be a huge success- it almost certainly will be. But just because something is successful doesn't mean I will personally enjoy it or respect the rhetoric which heralded it's coming as if it were some kind of savior of gaming. If Sony went out of business today, the gaming industry would suffer a huge shock because of the reliance on Sony. That is the only reason I care that Sony does well. Since the 360 exists and the PS3 does not, I withhold judgement on the PS3.

[MrMeatshake]

So, having a nationalistic country and a firm following of ignorant fanboys behind you is the equivalent to being a black belt?

oooooooh </handbag>

[rainbowblack]

not trying to be the fanboy here but seriously. can you acually see the 360 outselling the ps3 in the states? niether camp has impressed anyone IMO. this console war is still sonys for the taking

[Dr Quincy]

There's nothing fanboyish in enjoying the 360 and being skeptical about the PS3.

Equally, from experience of using one, it's not fanboyish to be *hugely* disapointed with the Xbox 360 and hugely optimistic about the PlayStation 3.

[Nojiko]

Oh Kutaragi, you say the craziest things. :D <3

Tune in next week, when the PS3 is rumored to be _sooooo_ good, that it will fix scratches and cracks in any disc* you put into the console.




*Only Blu-Ray discs, because they are superior in every way to any other disc, ever.

[Borys]

Sony has shown nothing. It's all bullshit, lies and rumours and mad SonyKen.

Xbox 360 is here, it's real, in my living room and I can play over Live on a real network.

If Sony does do a better job than MS then I will buy a PS3. Until that happens i'm in the MS camp.

Simple.

If that makes me a XboxFANBOY then so be it :rolleyes:

And what if PS3 has some great exclusive titles?

[Morratut]

And what if PS3 has some great exclusive titles?

If the PS3 has some great exclusives that i'm interested in then I may buy a PS3.

If Sony has a genre busting line of games that i'm interested in and wipes the floor with the MS exclusives then i'm 90% certain I would buy a PS3.

If...

I need to see it first. I'm open to having both consoles under my TV however Sony would need to give me something real and tangible. None of this bullshit 'oooh we will have the Sony World up and running in a year'. With my 360 I have my genres covered...

Action.
Driving
FPS.
All with online friendly multiplayer.

I have my PC for RTS and FPS too.

At this present moment in time Sony aren't attractive to me because I don't know anything. It is upto Sony to me impress me as a possible buyer. Enough bullshit and just bring it :)

I'm not against Sony. We need competition in the console biz. I want Sony to bring something good to the table. I want to be tempted by a Sony World Online service.

[Dr Quincy]

With my 360 I have my genres covered...

Action.
Driving
FPS.
All with online friendly multiplayer.

None of the currently available games for the 360 could even remotely be considered next gen. however. Nice as I'm sure these games are the console has yet to really give any demonstration of what I would consider bar raising gameplay or graphical fidelity. Early days perhaps. I find it curious that people rave so much about a console so in its infancy with so little too currently be praised for.

[Kem0sabe]

For all those claiming that the PS3 is still vaporware and that Sony hasnt shown us shit... well consider, the PS3 will launch later this year, prolly 6 months or more away. What did you know of the Xbox 360 so far from its launch as the PS3 is from theirs? what information did microsoft give away beond the usual smoke and mirrors PR bullshit?

Futhermore, i find it insulting that people tend to define Sony has a nationalistic company that only managed to sell the PS2 in Japan, and the only reason the Xbox 360 doesnt sell in japan is because its an american product. Thats complete and utter Bullshit.

The PS2 out sold the xbox in every market, including the U.S, other Sony products sell more in the U.S than the did in Japan, anyone remmenber the Walkman? the Sony Vaio laptops? Sony hi-fi products, Sony tv´s, dvd players, etc. Would a nationalistic company have a british citizen as its president? i think not.

And everyone forgets how well other u.s products sell in japan, including the ipod?

Simply put, people dont buy products because they are from one country or another, people want to buy quality products, be it the PS3, Xbox 360 or a Waffle maker. :p

[overdrivechao]

I dare not question the revered place *** holds among the vocal majority of this site and I will, yes, hold my tongue.

[Suicidal ShiZuru]

There is also the shit load of publishers who pump out mass amounts of the RPGs that America or other countries will never see yet the Japanese are obsessed with.

[Sion]

When the PlayStation 2 comes out the games will look like the FF8 videos.

[SnappyCrunch]

::yawn:: I don't understand why anyone even cares when Ken talks shit about his console. To hear Ken tell it, he farts rainbows and shits pure gold. It's like trying to take religious advice from Pat Robertson. I can't believe anyone takes what he has to say seriously.

[Paranoia]

Ken talks like a car salesman, no doubt about that. Whether PS3 can lived up to the hype remains to be seen.

[Borys]

When the PlayStation 2 comes out the games will look like the FF8 videos.

They looked better but thanks for playing, troll.

[TrackZero]

I dare not question the revered place *** holds among the vocal majority of this site and I will, yes, hold my tongue.

You can comment as you will. However anyone with any sense of history knows that PR comments like this are nothing more than smoke and mirrors until they actually SHOW something instead of just making bold claims of superiority (which is exactly what they did last time they released a console). People here aren't saying "*** is teh bettar!", we're saying we want Sony to show us the fucking console already or shut the hell up about it. I WANT the PS3 to come out and kick royal ass and have great games for it. Who wouldn't? But what I don't want is to read more slander/ego-masturbation from Sony until they actually have something real to report to the world.

[TrackZero]

Futhermore, i find it insulting that people tend to define Sony has a nationalistic company that only managed to sell the PS2 in Japan, and the only reason the Xbox 360 doesnt sell in japan is because its an american product. Thats complete and utter Bullshit.

Noone here said that. I made a joke about fanboyism earlier, don't be so fucking serious.

The PS2 out sold the xbox in every market, including the U.S, other Sony products sell more in the U.S than the did in Japan, anyone remmenber the Walkman? the Sony Vaio laptops? Sony hi-fi products, Sony tv´s, dvd players, etc. Would a nationalistic company have a british citizen as its president? i think not.

Considering the PS2 had a full 2 years jump on the Xbox in the marketplace and a lower price point, it damn well should have outsold the Xbox in every market, or it would have been pathetic.

Simply put, people dont buy products because they are from one country or another, people want to buy quality products, be it the PS3, Xbox 360 or a Waffle maker. :p

Yes, actually, sales are affected by nationalistic memes and cultural boundries. The world isn't a happy go-lucky let's all be friends place, sorry to tell you. This isn't to say the PS2 isn't successful because of it's own merits, it definitely is. But don't fool yourself into believing we live in some fantasyland, with no self-motivating factors between people.

[Kem0sabe]

Sony has been known to hype its products alot, but they also deliver alot, take a look at the PSP, amazing piece of hardware, problem was it didnt have the software to go with it. Thats the main problem im seeing with the PS3 at the momment, we are not seeing anything about the upcoming titles for it, beyond a couple of videos of MGS4 and Killzone.

At least with the Xbox 360 we had a good idea of the titles that were gona hit when it launched, those titles may not have been what they were hyped up to be, but at least they were hyped. From the PS3´s corner, we get only silence.

[Zeal]

Did anyone forget the part where Sony just fucking sucks.

[Kem0sabe]

Noone here said that. I made a joke about fanboyism earlier, don't be so fucking serious.



Considering the PS2 had a full 2 years jump on the Xbox in the marketplace and a lower price point, it damn well should have outsold the Xbox in every market, or it would have been pathetic.



Yes, actually, sales are affected by nationalistic memes and cultural boundries. The world isn't a happy go-lucky let's all be friends place, sorry to tell you. This isn't to say the PS2 isn't successful because of it's own merits, it definitely is. But don't fool yourself into believing we live in some fantasyland, with no self-motivating factors between people.

Tell me friend, last TV you bought, did you buy it because it was a good product or because it was "made in country xxx"?

As a consumer, i care about whats "the best for me", i take into account the Price/Quality.

Having said that, i didnt intend to sound so agressive on m post, its just that racial slander is a serious thing for me, and some of the comments earlier in the thread anoyed me to no end. I hope the Xbox 360, PS3 and Revolution end up developing into good system, because in the end, us consumers will the the ones that will benifit from hard competition between those systems, with price cuts and more quality games.

[Grifter]

They looked better but thanks for playing, troll.

What!?! Your smoking crack. Name one game on the PS2 that had gameplay graphics that looked better than a Final Fantasy 8 cut scene.

[Dr Quincy]

Did anyone forget the part where Sony just fucking sucks.

You teh funny.

[Morratut]

None of the currently available games for the 360 could even remotely be considered next gen. however. Nice as I'm sure these games are the console has yet to really give any demonstration of what I would consider bar raising gameplay or graphical fidelity. Early days perhaps. I find it curious that people rave so much about a console so in its infancy with so little too currently be praised for.

Thats your opinion and thats fine.

In my opinion i'm very happy with my games I have.

I'm also looking forward to a great march with lots of new great games.

The 360 keeps me happy and busy. MS is getting my money. As I said earlier we just want Sony to put up or shut up :D

[baz]

That quote is so awesome that I may have to buy a PS3 just so Kutaragi can keep on being insane.

[Sensei-X]

Tell me friend, last TV you bought, did you buy it because it was a good product or because it was "made in country xxx"?

As a consumer, i care about whats "the best for me", i take into account the Price/Quality.

Having said that, i didnt intend to sound so agressive on m post, its just that racial slander is a serious thing for me, and some of the comments earlier in the thread anoyed me to no end. I hope the Xbox 360, PS3 and Revolution end up developing into good system, because in the end, us consumers will the the ones that will benifit from hard competition between those systems, with price cuts and more quality games.

I know last time I bought a TV Sony was never even considered because Sony electronics in general are overpriced, poorly made pieces of crap. From my personal experience with their products, Sony doesn't have a clue about what quality assurance is and should count their blessings that so many people blindly buy their crap simply because it has a Sony logo on it.

[bapenguin]

I have Sony's online network....in my pants.

[Mr.Zip]

Tell me friend, last TV you bought, did you buy it because it was a good product or because it was "made in country xxx"?

As a consumer, i care about whats "the best for me", i take into account the Price/Quality.

Having said that, i didnt intend to sound so agressive on m post, its just that racial slander is a serious thing for me, and some of the comments earlier in the thread anoyed me to no end. I hope the Xbox 360, PS3 and Revolution end up developing into good system, because in the end, us consumers will the the ones that will benifit from hard competition between those systems, with price cuts and more quality games.


I'm from America, I've lived there all my life and as a consumer I completely agree with you. I don't care who makes it, I want the best product within my price range. However, I'm living in Seoul at the moment and you know what? Not everyone thinks like that. I hang with my Korean friends here all time and the topic of cars came up recently. They would NEVER under any circumstances buy a car from America. Never. That may be a reflection of the quality of American cars more than anything else, but it's not that they feel that American cars are crap, it's that they would never drive one. It's not even a possibility. Image is very important here, much moreso than in America. Driving an American car would make you stick out, and not in a good way.

A couple of days ago I was editing some papers written by 10-15 year olds. One of the papers was on different dishes you can make out of rice. The essay ends with the student saying that rice is an important part of Korean culture and that he always chooses, and will always choose, rice over wheat grains. It's not because he thinks rice tastes better than wheat grains, it's because he equates rice with his culture and wheat grains with non Korean/Asians.

Obviously these are two ridiculous examples but they are the two freshest in my mind. I am truly not trying to start a racial discussion here. I'm gonna state that again, I'm am NOT trying to derail/start a racial discussion. The only thing I wanted to do was tell you that before I came here I would have agreed 100% with what you said. After living here, I can't. (BTW This is not a knock on South Korea, I'm having a great time.)

[Vandenh]

My Japanese girlfriend would *never* buy any Korean products.

Just a fact :)

Anway... Sony hasn't shown anything... right now it is all just a total joke on the fanboys :) I find it funny that some people are actually believing this "next gen" hype. The 360 has not shown any (in your next gen) and neither will the PS3. Consoles are about evolution..; there is no sucj thing as next gen because what you see on PCs in about as next gen as you can get. The aim of consoles is to provide top PC features at a lower pricepoint and easier. Next gen my *ss... stop listening to all the Sony bollocks and base your opinion on what you see.

I am sure that, in the end, the PS3 will be an ok console... and will alomost certainly be succesful. Just be a bit realistic. We are taking pieces of technology here, not religion.

[Royal Fool]

They looked better but thanks for playing, troll.

LOL, that's funny, I was just watching the good ol' PS2 tech demos the other day... the Tekken fighting scene, Ridge Racer poser girl, the old guy faces, and the FF8 dance scene among them.

Sorry, but no PS2 game has yet to come close to the look of the FF8 cutscenes. The console cannot handle the amount of polygons required for that and keep a respectable framerate.

In fact, guess what? You can join in the fun, Borys! http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=PlayStation+tech

I also found an old "hype" video for the original PSX, in spanish actually, but still rather interesting to see all those old classic games, but even back then it was apparent how much Sony relies on pre-rendered cutscenes to attract people rather than display in-game stuff.

You can get it here... a whopping 17 minutes of games like Jumping Flash, Wipeout, Desruction Derby, Twisted Metal, Warhawk and more: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2553091333906632752

[gawaintheblind]

I prefer my PS2 to my Xbox, in nearly all ways. That being said, Im fairly sure the 360 will crush the ps3. too bad really, but there you go.


bapenguin: oooooooooooo!

[Lon Lon Rabbit]

Yeah sorry Kemosabe but I agree with the other posters that country of origin can be (but is not for all people) a big factor in purchase.
And what you said about other American products doing well in Japan, well, I`m in Japan right now on a holiday and I`ve spent a good two days walking through Akihabara (the big Tokyo electronics district) shopping and I can tell you that the ipod is the ONLY non asian consumer electronics item that can be commonly found anywhere.
I bought myself an Xbox360 here because it`s so damn cheap compared to the soon to be released Australian model (Premium unit 400 AUD JP RRP vs 650 AUD AUS RRP) and quite a few stores seem to have more returned models than they do new ones. Microsoft ranted a lot before launch about how important the Japanese market was to them, and how they were going all out for it, but I consistently see bigger displays for single PS2 games like Dirge of Cerberus here than for a store`s entire Xbox and Xbox 360 section combined.
Also, Kameo only came out here last week, and I went looking for it a day before release (not knowing it wasn`t out yet) and I was told with a laugh {Haha, no, Microsoft is very slow here}. It seemed almost like a joke to him, and you know how polite the japanese are, so he certainly wasn`t laughing at me.

Excuse the funky punctuation, don`t get this crazy Japanese keyboard.

[BenN1ce]

Funny how nobody reads the article and comments on it :D

[Vjornaxx]

There are a lot of factors that will influence the success of PSOnline. Having a large base of customers certainly is nice, and let's just assume for the sake of argument that their launch line-up is strong. The biggest hurdle I see is that Sony is a hardware company. While they may have the physical infrastructure to support a network capable of handling millions of users, I don't believe they have the experience in developing and implementing reliable software that could effectively handle such a service. I'm sure they will learn, but my guess is that it will take a few years for Sony's software to get to a level where it can truly compete against what Microsoft has backing Live.

On another note, Sony having a solid online system would be a good thing because competition is healthy and drives competitors to improve. It would be a race of who has more useful features, who has better customer service, and so on. The consumers would be the ones benefiting.

[Roc Ingersol]

I'm skeptical that they could even emulate XBL v1.0 out of the gate, let alone build something with an analogue to Arcade and Marketplace. Honestly, those have totally redefined what Live is.
But I'm hoping Sony does make an honest effort to create a worthwhile online experience. Competition is good.

But if I had to bet a dollar, I'd put it squarely on "Kutaragi's insane".

[RandomViolence]

Did anyone read the article? Those possible features they defined were pretty fucking compelling. I'm skeptical about Sony's ability to deliver them, but nonetheless they are there.

[Ludoc]

I have Sony's online network....in my pants.

I heard it really could have used some more polish and was released early.

[Phanto]

What i have been seen for a while now its that maybe Sony its too much confident right now, just because the PS2 was one of the best console ever and still a strong one doesn't mean it will happend the same thing again with the PS3, they really need to start putting their foots on the floor and stop talking shit, BTW i'm not a fanboy.

[Xerxes]

dang, the xbox fonboyism is is quite high on this site.

Yeah boi and don't you forget it... :cool:

[fitbabits]

I've said it many times before and I will repeat it until something is done about Kutaragi and the cave of shite that is his mouth - quit your stupid posturing and prove you can do even one third of what you claim. Otherwise you simply come across as a petulant little prick with a chip on his shoulder the size of the original Xbox.

[Banacek]

Can we stop posting flamebait as news?

[Kelegacy]

Did anyone read the article? Those possible features they defined were pretty fucking compelling. I'm skeptical about Sony's ability to deliver them, but nonetheless they are there.
People don't read articles around here; if they did, they wouldn't have the free pass to look like total frigging idiots.

[Cool AN]

I just hope it doesn't have a point system, where you have to pay points for downloading things.

[Goronmon]

You know, Ken was only mentioned with that one quote in that whole three page article. The rest is just someone's list of potential ways in which the PS3 could build up its own online service. I mean, its not necessarily a bad article, but its really just someone making a case for how the PS3 can be a lot better than the 360, including its online services.

[CrysDark]

This guy was almost the head of sony!

[Morratut]

You know, Ken was only mentioned with that one quote in that whole three page article. The rest is just someone's list of potential ways in which the PS3 could build up its own online service. I mean, its not necessarily a bad article, but its really just someone making a case for how the PS3 can be a lot better than the 360, including its online services.

Yeah I thought the article was quite good. Especially coming from a Xbox site.
:D

[absolut taco]

In fact, guess what? You can join in the fun, Borys! http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=PlayStation+tech

The one with the sink where the water gets drained and refilled is cool. The PS2 wouldn't even be able to render it in wireframe mode, but it probably sold a few consoles. Come to think of it, I'd be impressed if my X360 could render it with that quality.

[ArkMan]

I have Sony's online network....in my pants.

What, you mean a shriveled up, barely existant network that hardly works?


/zing

[astronautsandwich]

Did someone call Bush a black belt?






:p
ooooooh, snap!

[TrackZero]

Having said that, i didnt intend to sound so agressive on m post, its just that racial slander is a serious thing for me, and some of the comments earlier in the thread anoyed me to no end. I hope the Xbox 360, PS3 and Revolution end up developing into good system, because in the end, us consumers will the the ones that will benifit from hard competition between those systems, with price cuts and more quality games.

Again, I don't know what comments your refering to. There certainly was no slander. If there was (at least from me), it'd be more along the lines of "fucking Japs won't give an American console a chance, even when it's hardware is superior with a better online network and just needs their developers support so there are more games". Now THAT would be racist (and I'm not saying that at all, just an example of something that would be offensive).

Now what was said was something about Americans:

"Originally Posted by Perigon
So, having a nationalistic country and a firm following of ignorant fanboys behind you is the equivalent to being a black belt?"

Which I turned around, as a joke, as it's applicable both ways by saying:

"Heh, I thought he was talking about Japan. *rimshot*"

So maybe you should read more carefully next time before jumping to conclusions. Your racial sensitivity is more the issue than anyone elses thoughts there.

Or maybe I'm just getting things wrong, was there another comment in this thread you were really refering to?

[TrackZero]

Funny how nobody reads the article and comments on it :D

No real need to. That quote and knowing it's Ken again is enough for almost all of us to just think "Goddamnit Ken, just STFU already.". It's the boy who cried Wolf syndrome.

[Mason]

You might has asked yourself how we can talk about an Xbox Live killer and we haven’t touched on gaming yet! Well, that is on purpose because what we want you to realize, as we mentioned earlier, is that this war is not about online gaming.

If Sony is actually adhering to the philosophy of this editorial, MS has very, very little to worry about.

And when it comes to downloading other media formats, Sony would end up competing with itself internally on a major scale. Consumers who use their (putative) movie download service aren't buying BR/UMD disks or adding to the Sony Studios film's box office gross. And if the movie service doesn't go beyond trailers, then I'd dismiss it as negligible. TV shows have the same problem: Sony would love to sell them to you at $1 an episode or something (no idea how the LocationFree thing is supposed to work), but this directly competes with their DVR products, as well as reducing the ratings of the Sony TV shows that people are downloading or streaming.

Sony just can't whip out a massively horizontal media platform without competing with themselves on a number of fronts. And given that most of those fronts are likely a lot more profitable for Sony than their game division, it makes for questionable business logic.

[Reanimated]

All I can do is laugh at this article. Anyone that thinks that the PS3 will ship with all of these features is a moron - plain and simple. In order for the PS3 to be a "base station" or any of the other things talked about, it's going to have to ship with a standard HDD, which isn't going to happen. At best, we'd be looking at a dual SKU scenario where the "high end" media hub PS3 retails for around what the PSX did, thus making it as big of a failure as the PSX.

Lost in all of this seems to be the GAMES. Sony is seemingly so concerned with media domination that they've totally forgotten about the games due to their complete focus on their own media holdings. Unfortunately for them, this is a recipe for failure in the VIDEO GAMES business. Building a home media device is one thing; building a gaming machine is quite another. Combining the two, while nice, makes your device cost prohibitive. We've already seen the price of entry for media hub consoles in the Premium SKU Xbox 360. Adding more features and hardware also adds more cost. You can pick up a PSX today for a cool thousand bucks. Do you really think a similarly built PS3 would be any cheaper? If so, I think it may be time to get some medication to clear up that delusion problem you've got.

[Zanzibar]

I heard it really could have used some more polish and was released early.

BUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[Kem0sabe]

All I can do is laugh at this article. Anyone that thinks that the PS3 will ship with all of these features is a moron - plain and simple. In order for the PS3 to be a "base station" or any of the other things talked about, it's going to have to ship with a standard HDD, which isn't going to happen. At best, we'd be looking at a dual SKU scenario where the "high end" media hub PS3 retails for around what the PSX did, thus making it as big of a failure as the PSX.

Lost in all of this seems to be the GAMES. Sony is seemingly so concerned with media domination that they've totally forgotten about the games due to their complete focus on their own media holdings. Unfortunately for them, this is a recipe for failure in the VIDEO GAMES business. Building a home media device is one thing; building a gaming machine is quite another. Combining the two, while nice, makes your device cost prohibitive. We've already seen the price of entry for media hub consoles in the Premium SKU Xbox 360. Adding more features and hardware also adds more cost. You can pick up a PSX today for a cool thousand bucks. Do you really think a similarly built PS3 would be any cheaper? If so, I think it may be time to get some medication to clear up that delusion problem you've got.


You forget one very importanr fact, Sony is prolly not giving a shit about the gaming capabilities of the PS3, they are prolly content that its about equal to the Xbox 360.

The one thing that is motivating every single action Sony has taken in the last few years is aimed at one thing only, Blueray. If its acepted as the industry standart for High capicity optical disks, Sony will make more money than every single psx, ps2, psp and ps3 game and console ever sold.

The Ps3 is coming out with a blueray drive, it will be 500$ cheaper than the cheapest player that is blueray capable. As such, Sony is hoping that the Ps3 will sell as a home entertainment system, thats all they care about, the profit from it will more than make up for the console coming out half a year later than the xbox360.

Remmenber one thing, many people credit the Ps2 for making DVD´s suceed, if the same thing happens with the Ps3 and blueray, be sure that the console war is over before it even started.

[Roc Ingersol]

Remmenber one thing, many people credit the Ps2 for making DVD´s suceed
And those people would have backwards memories.

There was already demand for DVD, the ps2 was cheaper than most DVD players, and movie functionality smoothed over the scarcity of ps2 titles. DVD functionality helped sell the ps2.

BluRay and PS3 are being introduced at basically the same time, and there's more consumer demand for a ps3 than an inexpensive bluray player. Sony's betting ps3 functionality will help sell BluRay.

[Steele Johnson]

I'm not quite sure if it's all xbox fanboism. I'd have to say that a lot of gamers have gotten fucked by SOE/Sony in the past, including myself. I actually despise Sony for screwing me over several times. I'm a skeptic when it comes to the quality of Sony products now. That doesn't mean I won't buy their products, I'm just overly cautious as well as looking for payback. ;)

I remember a time that whenever I wanted an electronics gadget, I'd look at Sony's products first. Over the past 5 years, I haven't purchased one electronics product from them. But it's not only for their falsifications, I feel their product quality has dropped significantly over the past 5 years. That's what happens when you lose your customer base, you start cutting costs elsewhere.

[GrinR]

LOL, that's funny, I was just watching the good ol' PS2 tech demos the other day... the Tekken fighting scene, Ridge Racer poser girl, the old guy faces, and the FF8 dance scene among them.

Sorry, but no PS2 game has yet to come close to the look of the FF8 cutscenes. The console cannot handle the amount of polygons required for that and keep a respectable framerate.

In fact, guess what? You can join in the fun, Borys! http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=PlayStation+tech

I also found an old "hype" video for the original PSX, in spanish actually, but still rather interesting to see all those old classic games, but even back then it was apparent how much Sony relies on pre-rendered cutscenes to attract people rather than display in-game stuff.

You can get it here... a whopping 17 minutes of games like Jumping Flash, Wipeout, Desruction Derby, Twisted Metal, Warhawk and more: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2553091333906632752


Quoted for Mother Fucking TRUTH. I remember ALL those videos and how people were jabbering about how unbeatable they were. I also remember getting my Dev PS2 and playing the first 5-10 PS2 games and thinking "holy shit this looks almost the same as the PS1. What a RIPOFF"

At least the Xbox (and now the 360) actually DELIVERS.

[rezzinator]

I could be wrong, but that entire article is written by one of the guys from Team Xbox, not Ken or some PR guy offsite. By Cesar from over there, actually.

[Dirty Harry]

I've said it many times before and I will repeat it until something is done about Kutaragi and the cave of shite that is his mouth - quit your stupid posturing and prove you can do even one third of what you claim. Otherwise you simply come across as a petulant little prick with a chip on his shoulder the size of the original Xbox.
Man you are being a complete fag, a big cocking sucking gay boy with his homo leather assless chaps, his gay sunglasses and his entire music collection of RUSH fitba. Common, don't drag yourself to this level when you make such stupid, ignorant, uniformed and biased opinions like that. Personally MS doesn't impress me much, their live experience is pretty much what ive been doing for years on a PC. Infact one could say that MS ripped off the concept of gamespys "arcade" to the T, I'm not talking about gamespy3d because that is another basket of goodies. I really don't see why you act in this manner, its very unfitting of someone with class. Its funny, you say Sony cant run a network like live?, yet they manage to run many many game servers for mmos. Interesting, if your in the know, its alot of work to maintain the live servers but in reality so are MMO's due to more data being sent and received (stored?). MMO servers also require more maintence and with it being a game, its constantly subjected to online updates that could bring the entire cluster down which has happened in the past for various MMO's. Any ways fitba, i hope you can stop proliferating the shit that emerges from your mouth because it makes you look very uncouth.


To clarify, i dont feel sony has fucked me over in any manner, so i think you all need to chill.

[Kelegacy]

Quoted for Mother Fucking TRUTH. I remember ALL those videos and how people were jabbering about how unbeatable they were. I also remember getting my Dev PS2 and playing the first 5-10 PS2 games and thinking "holy shit this looks almost the same as the PS1. What a RIPOFF"

At least the Xbox (and now the 360) actually DELIVERS.
I don't own a 360 so I refuse to comment, but the Xbox may have had the technical prowess, but you can't have all glamor and no game. For me, in that department, it didn't deliver. Not even close.

Sony is focusing on the media capabilities, the peripheral functions of its PS3, because, well, it created the hardware! The games will come in time, probably by 3rd parties first, but right now Sony's main focus is its machine. I, for one, am interested in the capabilities of the machine. Yes, I'd like to know more about the games, but for now I'm sitting on my hands, patient, until Sony unveils more of the hardware before foaming at the mouth and complaining about lack of game announcements. Announcements follow an outline, and since games are played on the actual hardware, it makes sense to clear up the machine itself firstly.

[Major Dan]

Me personnally, I don't want all the extra stuff in my game console, maybe surfing the web would be nice, on line gaming is great but all the other stuff is well, stuff I wont use that much because I will be busy gaming. It has always been that way. I will not want to pay extra for the stuff, and I certainly don't require it so I will wait and see the price and what games PS3 will be and have. Good luck to Sony, they have a long way to go to catch MS on the LIVE front, competition is good so I hope they keep it close.

[Dirty Harry]

What i personally expect for a service i pay for, full web support for flash and everything. Make ps3's have a special version of flash and java and shockwave and all that jazz. That also means harddrives a must so these products can be updated.

[fitbabits]

Man you are being a complete fag, a big cocking sucking gay boy with his homo leather assless chaps, his gay sunglasses and his entire music collection of RUSH fitba. Common, don't drag yourself to this level when you make such stupid, ignorant, uniformed and biased opinions like that. Personally MS doesn't impress me much, their live experience is pretty much what ive been doing for years on a PC. Infact one could say that MS ripped off the concept of gamespys "arcade" to the T, I'm not talking about gamespy3d because that is another basket of goodies. I really don't see why you act in this manner, its very unfitting of someone with class. Its funny, you say Sony cant run a network like live?, yet they manage to run many many game servers for mmos. Interesting, if your in the know, its alot of work to maintain the live servers but in reality so are MMO's due to more data being sent and received (stored?). MMO servers also require more maintence and with it being a game, its constantly subjected to online updates that could bring the entire cluster down which has happened in the past for various MMO's. Any ways fitba, i hope you can stop proliferating the shit that emerges from your mouth because it makes you look very uncouth.


To clarify, i dont feel sony has fucked me over in any manner, so i think you all need to chill.
Um, did someone get out the wrong side of Sony's bed this morning? I voice an opinion on Ken Kutaragi's spouting of bull (which has been proven time and again to be exctly that - bull) and you jump up and down and call me: "a complete fag, a big cocking sucking gay boy with his homo leather assless chaps, his gay sunglasses and his entire music collection of RUSH".

What exactly are my "stupid, ignorant, uniformed and biased opinions"? Let's see - I repeated the fact that KK talks crap. History has shown as fact that he seldom follows through with his promises for features. Now what's so stupid, ignorant, uninformed or biased about that?

BTW, hopmophobic name-calling is not the best way to get your point across. You end up looking like an intolerant and bigotted asshole.

Edit - My post was in response to the following quote:
“Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a Karate master, and Microsoft is still not black belt”.

[Goronmon]

I could be wrong, but that entire article is written by one of the guys from Team Xbox, not Ken or some PR guy offsite. By Cesar from over there, actually.
Nope, your completely right. But most people would rather glame Ken to hell and back that actually read the article and have a decent discussion. ;)

[Mozgus]

Man you are being a complete fag, a big cocking sucking gay boy with his homo leather assless chaps, his gay sunglasses and his entire music collection of RUSH fitba.
There is nothing wrong with Rush. So STFUBBQKTHXBAI!

[Dirty Harry]

Um, did someone get out the wrong side of Sony's bed this morning? I voice an opinion on Ken Kutaragi's spouting of bull (which has been proven time and again to be exctly that - bull) and you jump up and down and call me: "a complete fag, a big cocking sucking gay boy with his homo leather assless chaps, his gay sunglasses and his entire music collection of RUSH".

What exactly are my "stupid, ignorant, uniformed and biased opinions"? Let's see - I repeated the fact that KK talks crap. History has shown as fact that he seldom follows through with his promises for features. Now what's so stupid, ignorant, uninformed or biased about that?

BTW, hopmophobic name-calling is not the best way to get your point across. You end up looking like an intolerant and bigotted asshole.

Um, did someone get out the wrong side of Sony's bed this morning? I voice an opinion on Ken Kutaragi's spouting of bull (which has been proven time and again to be exctly that - bull)

First off, It is completely alright in my books to have an opinion fitba but when you go on your little anti sony rampages its hard to just call it an opinion. Okay for example, i really dont think sony has wronged alot of people but I dont go around the forums continually ranting about it like you fitba or many other well known regulars. I do tend to stand up for sony because no one wants to take the stance for some reason. Another thing to note is that the man Ken himself doesnt speak fluent english so when he delivers press releases in his native language it tends to get skewed and taken for literal meaning when its translated for the US and EU press. Theres a famous quote that while never occured, people still like to say its real. "640kb ought to be enough for anybody" - bill gates. How did this happen you say, mistranslation from a german magazine.

you jump up and down and call me: "a complete fag, a big cocking sucking gay boy with his homo leather assless chaps, his gay sunglasses and his entire music collection of RUSH".
I'm sorry if you feel i was talking in a serious tone, the glasses and rush thing should of tipped you off fitba. I was merely acting in a very unrational unacceptable manner like yourself SON.

What exactly are my "stupid, ignorant, uniformed and biased opinions"? Let's see - I repeated the fact that KK talks crap. History has shown as fact that he seldom follows through with his promises for features. Now what's so stupid, ignorant, uninformed or biased about that?

Yeah, i can agree that he hasnt followed through with some statements he has made in PR meetings. He hasnt followed up with an online structer this generation of consoles, nor do they look like toy story. Gates himself claimed Toy story graphics with the real time demos they did, remeber the dancing robot. What game on xbox looks like that?, where were the downloadable demos and movie trailers and all that jazz he promised. Of course its all coming together this gen for MS but we ARE comparing last gen are we not.

The games still have been insanely fun on the sony console with out toy story graphics and the online has been lacking, thats being truthful. Care to list some promises he failed to deliver on?. Are you going to blame him for episodic content not being around yet?, its just starting to take off on pcs so I dont blame him for not having it done. Have you ever considered that what he talks about is what he is invisioning in the future?, can a man not dream fitba and make it public.

BTW, hopmophobic name-calling is not the best way to get your point across. You end up looking like an intolerant and bigotted asshole. I think i clearly explained my intentions, im sorry i wasnt more obvious.

“Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a Karate master, and Microsoft is still not black belt”.

Its the truth sony revolutionized the 3d game movement on consoles, they have had a proven track record with many succesful game franchises started on their console. I came name over 20 diffrent game series, that have constantly improved with each release (no im not talking about any sports game albit a few).

Look at the PSP, one of the first real competitors for Nintendo, and its doing pretty well in my opinion. N-DS is obviously doing things alot better, but its the ship hasnt sunk for the psp is what im trying to say.

[Murmillo]

Doesnt take long for these forums to fill up with crap.

[Dirty Harry]

Doesnt take long for these forums to fill up with crap.
If it makes you feel any better to a non-gamer this place is a big shit house of craping shit.

[Kamalot]

For all those claiming that the PS3 is still vaporware and that Sony hasnt shown us shit... well consider, the PS3 will launch later this year, prolly 6 months or more away. What did you know of the Xbox 360 so far from its launch as the PS3 is from theirs? what information did microsoft give away beond the usual smoke and mirrors PR bullshit?
Microsoft had playable demos.

[fitbabits]

First off, It is completely alright in my books to have an opinion fitba but when you go on your little anti sony rampages its hard to just call it an opinion. Okay for example, i really dont think sony has wronged alot of people but I dont go around the forums continually ranting about it like you fitba or many other well known regulars. I do tend to stand up for sony because no one wants to take the stance for some reason. Another thing to note is that the man Ken himself doesnt speak fluent english so when he delivers press releases in his native language it tends to get skewed and taken for literal meaning when its translated for the US and EU press. Theres a famous quote that while never occured, people still like to say its real. "640kb ought to be enough for anybody" - bill gates. How did this happen you say, mistranslation from a german magazine.


I'm sorry if you feel i was talking in a serious tone, the glasses and rush thing should of tipped you off fitba. I was merely acting in a very unrational unacceptable manner like yourself SON.



Yeah, i can agree that he hasnt followed through with some statements he has made in PR meetings. He hasnt followed up with an online structer this generation of consoles, nor do they look like toy story. Gates himself claimed Toy story graphics with the real time demos they did, remeber the dancing robot. What game on xbox looks like that?, where were the downloadable demos and movie trailers and all that jazz he promised. Of course its all coming together this gen for MS but we ARE comparing last gen are we not.

The games still have been insanely fun on the sony console with out toy story graphics and the online has been lacking, thats being truthful. Care to list some promises he failed to deliver on?. Are you going to blame him for episodic content not being around yet?, its just starting to take off on pcs so I dont blame him for not having it done. Have you ever considered that what he talks about is what he is invisioning in the future?, can a man not dream fitba and make it public.

I think i clearly explained my intentions, im sorry i wasnt more obvious.



Its the truth sony revolutionized the 3d game movement on consoles, they have had a proven track record with many succesful game franchises started on their console. I came name over 20 diffrent game series, that have constantly improved with each release (no im not talking about any sports game albit a few).

Look at the PSP, one of the first real competitors for Nintendo, and its doing pretty well in my opinion. N-DS is obviously doing things alot better, but its the ship hasnt sunk for the psp is what im trying to say.
Okay, let's clear things up here once and for all. I have no major hatred for SONY, nor do I have any major love for them. I'm very disappointed in their business practices of late and also the fact that I personally feel they are trying to pull the wool over my eyes with the PS3. I love my PS2 and I am happy that I'm able to play games like ICO and Shadow of the Collossus. I love the fact that SONY revitalized the industry with the original PlayStation - one could argue that without the PS2 there would be no Xbox (or Xbox 360, for that matter). Still, for all they've done right, they're responsible for some pretty spectacular fuck-ups (rootkit, "the PS2 will jack you into The Matrix", "Toy Story-quality graphics", etc.).

So there you have it - I'm as anxious as the next person about the PS3, but I'm worried about just what exactly SONY has planned for it. There's a lot riding on this for SONY, of that there can be no question, but they've shown before that they can deliver on at least some of their promises.

I'm not anti-SONY as a whole, whether you believe that or not. What I am, though, is disappointed with SONY's recent behavior.

One final thing - I find your tone offensive and unneccessarily insulting. I'm happy to continue this debate, but I'm not going to respond to name-calling from you any longer.

[BenN1ce]

LOL, that's funny, I was just watching the good ol' PS2 tech demos the other day... the Tekken fighting scene, Ridge Racer poser girl, the old guy faces, and the FF8 dance scene among them.

Sorry, but no PS2 game has yet to come close to the look of the FF8 cutscenes. The console cannot handle the amount of polygons required for that and keep a respectable framerate.

In fact, guess what? You can join in the fun, Borys! http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=PlayStation+tech

I also found an old "hype" video for the original PSX, in spanish actually, but still rather interesting to see all those old classic games, but even back then it was apparent how much Sony relies on pre-rendered cutscenes to attract people rather than display in-game stuff.

You can get it here... a whopping 17 minutes of games like Jumping Flash, Wipeout, Desruction Derby, Twisted Metal, Warhawk and more: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2553091333906632752


The didn't match those tech demos? I think the all the acid you took has messed up your brain.

[TrackZero]

One final thing - I find your tone offensive and unneccessarily insulting. I'm happy to continue this debate, but I'm not going to respond to name-calling from you any longer.

I have to second that, cut the namecalling out. It isnt' necessary to the conversation. If anyone feels the need to do so, just send Kelegacy a PM cursing him out for whatever reason you can think of. ;)

[Dirty Harry]

I didnt swear in my second reply did i?, geez. I thought i was non-insulting and acting like an adult disecting what you had said to clearly explain how i felt about the situation.

[Sensei-X]

Ken as of late has acted like a total moron, saying crap that totally undermines Sony. I am certain though, that he is doing it on purpose and with full knowledge that it's hurting Sony. Why would he do that? Simple, they removed him from the board of directors and demoted him to only being in charge of the Computer Entertainment division. Since then he's been spewing nothing but passive aggressive nonsense, with full knowledge that Sony can't fire him. Because he knows too much, is too talented, and he knows that Sony knows the second they would fire him Bill gates would be waiting with a truck-load of money to dump on his door-step.

[bjornbarspingvinen]

If you can´t see that Ken kutargi is the king of BS, you must have been asleep the last few years. I guess it´s the same people who thought the Prerenders at E3 from sony were in-game.

[Heretic Machine]

I don't own a 360 so I refuse to comment, but the Xbox may have had the technical prowess, but you can't have all glamor and no game. For me, in that department, it didn't deliver. Not even close.

Kelegacy... your idea of a game fits most people's definition of a movie. XBOX makes a better DVD player than the PS2, so shouldn't it please you at least just as much?

[Kamalot]

Ken as of late has acted like a total moron, saying crap that totally undermines Sony. I am certain though, that he is doing it on purpose and with full knowledge that it's hurting Sony. Why would he do that? Simple, they removed him from the board of directors and demoted him to only being in charge of the Computer Entertainment division. Since then he's been spewing nothing but passive aggressive nonsense, with full knowledge that Sony can't fire him. Because he knows too much, is too talented, and he knows that Sony knows the second they would fire him Bill gates would be waiting with a truck-load of money to dump on his door-step.
You know, this is a good theory.

[Morratut]

By the way Dirtyharry you haven't been doing what Xbox Live does for years on your PC.

Multiplayer on Xbox Live is a lot easier than a PC. The PC model should learn a lot from Xbox Live.

Xbox Live a lot EASIER than a PC. Get it?

[Royal Fool]

The didn't match those tech demos? I think the all the acid you took has messed up your brain.

I could give you a screenshot comparison, but I can't be bothered to go through all that work just to answer an ignorant comment like that. Sorry.

[Serapth]

Kelegacy... your idea of a game fits most people's definition of a movie. XBOX makes a better DVD player than the PS2, so shouldn't it please you at least just as much?

Two things. First off, you had to pay to make the Xbox into a dvd player. I actually dont know anyone who didnt own a DVD player by that point. However, the PS2 was a TERRIBLE dvd player, absolute ass.

Second, the 360 is actually an awesome DVD player, im very shocked by the picture quality. I use it over my normal dvd player as 1) its outputs are HD and not SVideo and 2) its progressive scan.

Neither point has much to do with this conversation, just letting you know the 360 is pretty sweet as a dvd :)

[Kelegacy]

Kelegacy... your idea of a game fits most people's definition of a movie. XBOX makes a better DVD player than the PS2, so shouldn't it please you at least just as much?
Are you referring to my interest in JRPGs? Because that is getting tired.

[TrackZero]

Are you referring to my interest in JRPGs? Because that is getting tired.

Totally. JRPGs always put me to sleep anyways. ;)

[Dirty Harry]

By the way Dirtyharry you haven't been doing what Xbox Live does for years on your PC.

Multiplayer on Xbox Live is a lot easier than a PC. The PC model should learn a lot from Xbox Live.

Xbox Live a lot EASIER than a PC. Get it?
i really really hope your joking because i just woke up and am in so not the mood for this shizzle son.

[Xerxes]

Sony, second to EA as for as gorillas in the video game industry go, should not let this man be a front anymore for sony. They didn't select him to lead sony cause he probably would of thought he was a god. Live has been supped up to new level on online interactivity, now it just needs the games to boot. While I make fun I believe the revolution will offer a much better method of online. Atleast the made that power point once. Sony keeps talking but all signs are pointing to more of the same as the current system. Developer, YOU do it.

[Xerxes]

i really really hope your joking because i just woke up and am in so not the mood for this shizzle son.

I won't go to say one is better than the other but you say it like PC multi is superior... Not talking mods but play experience... Not fuck off controllers i love kb/m, but features... Like why am I having't to use teamspeak and there no instant ignore and shit like that. But like on PC i can admit setup of games and servers are more handy than matchmaking that "most" live games rely on...

[overdrivechao]

Quoted for Mother Fucking TRUTH. I remember ALL those videos and how people were jabbering about how unbeatable they were. I also remember getting my Dev PS2 and playing the first 5-10 PS2 games and thinking "holy shit this looks almost the same as the PS1. What a RIPOFF"

At least the Xbox (and now the 360) actually DELIVERS.

Yeah, delievers ports and delayed titles. Are you seriously saying the 360 has lived up to its marketing hype? Oh, come on.