Japan Doesn't Care About Modern Warfare 2

[modeps]

http://evavhost.com/i/news/mw2nohype.jpg

It's pretty clear that design philosophies between the East and West are quite different, but judging by a photo posted over at 1Up (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3176184), there's a reason for that difference to exist to this day. Modern Warfare 2 is probably going to be the biggest game this holiday season in North America, but in Japan where Square Enix is publishing? Not so much.

Eh, just goes to show the difference in gaming tastes among territories. So what were people checking out at TGS today? Well, Final Fantasy XIII drew large crowds, naturally, but so did the Yakuza 4 presentation and the Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker area.

Still, we'd expect that once the show actually opens to the public on Saturday that we'll see more people showing interest in Modern Warfare 2. For now, though, the area is comically barren -- you know, given the insane level of anticipation on our turf.

[TeeCakes]

Americans = FPS clones and shallow, twitch gameplay
Japanese = JRPGs and dating sims/H-games

This is common knowledge.

[SPBTooL]

Or could this be a sign that the Japanese press are not in touch with their gamers?
Probably not, but we will see when the doors open.

[Dag-Sabot]

I have to spend some time in this wonderful wonderful land. They were all that the tentacle sex booth.

[Johan]

It's interesting to me how driven American gamers are in online gaming (MW2 will be huge in this, as MW [edit: WaW!] and CoD4 were before it). Japanese gamers do not seem nearly as interested in the online space, and prefer a different kind of narrative in their games as well.

[Earth Djinn]

Japan has long had some kind of issue with first person games, and especially FPS.

I don't get what it is, but there you go.

[EvilBob46]

Or could this be a sign that the Japanese press are not in touch with their gamers?
Probably not, but we will see when the doors open.

Famitsu has generally reviewed western action games and given them great scores.

Gears of War 2: 38/40
Halo 3: 37/40

[EvilMunkee80]

2 words.

Motion.

Sickness.

And Japanese gamers are notoriously susceptible to it.

[Demo_Boy]

I can count on my hands the number of copies of MW2 they will sell in Japan.



I have pretty freaky hands.

[ElfShotTheFood]

They're still smarting over World at War.

[Stormwatcher]

NEWSFLASH:
Different cultures have different gaming tastes! More at 9!

[Johan]

More at 9!

11 in the U.S. ;)

"More at 11!"

[techromage]

It's interesting to me how driven American gamers are in online gaming (MW2 will be huge in this, as MW and CoD4 were before it).


Uhm.. you DO know that MW and CoD4 were the same game, right? ;)

[Johan]

Uhm.. you DO know that MW and CoD4 were the same game, right? ;)

I meant World at War...as I own, and enjoy, both. :D

[brandonjclark]

2 words.

Motion.

Sickness.

And Japanese gamers are notoriously susceptible to it.


Is there a link or something you could put up? I've always wondered why FPS's don't go well with the Japanese gamers, and I just considered it a cultural thing.

IMO, right or wrong, the Japanese have some pretty weird fetishes (date rape simulators, schoolgirl sex, etc....) that I'd think would fit well with the first-person view.

Maybe I'm wrong, huh?

[player_2]

maybe they teach history to their kids over their so they find games about real wars to be repellent.

[Kragg]

Not enough Pikachus...

[drakkarim]

Americans = FPS clones and shallow, twitch gameplay
Japanese = JRPGs and dating sims/H-games

This is common knowledge.

i must be with the europeans then (since i am one) since i dont' care for either of the above.

[vivalahazy]

Japan Doesn't Care About Modern Warfare 2

So me and Japan do have something in common

[randir14]

maybe they teach history to their kids over their so they find games about real wars to be repellent.

Yeah I know, Japan is the only country in the world that teaches history.

(what the fuck?)

[greenapple]

Yeah I know, Japan is the only country in the world that teaches history.

(what the fuck?)

You're really optimistic about American education. Read it and weep.

http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=11141949

[randir14]

Pretty sure I finished school and that we were taught about all aspects of history, thanks anyway.

[Isamura]

Is there a link or something you could put up? I've always wondered why FPS's don't go well with the Japanese gamers, and I just considered it a cultural thing.

IMO, right or wrong, the Japanese have some pretty weird fetishes (date rape simulators, schoolgirl sex, etc....) that I'd think would fit well with the first-person view.

Maybe I'm wrong, huh?

To characterize an entire country as being perverts is idiotic. I'd guess there are just as many perverts in America, but we have the religious right censor our content for us :D

As to the FPS discussion, my theory is it's because most Japanese don't have PC's, which is where the FPS games were born out of. Decent console FPS games are a relatively new thing, in fact, COD4 on the 360 was probably the first FPS game I could tolerate. Couple that with a country which isn't obsessed with guns, and it's no big surprise they aren't frothing in the mouth over MW2.

[Froggy]

Well, call me Japan.

[Samstag]

Pretty sure I finished school and that we were taught about all aspects of history, thanks anyway.

That's a bold claim. All aspects?

Pop quiz: What did Hitler have for lunch on August 3, 1934?

[player_2]

That's a bold claim. All aspects?

Pop quiz: What did Hitler have for lunch on August 3, 1934?

royale with cheese

[randir14]

That's a bold claim. All aspects?

Pop quiz: What did Hitler have for lunch on August 3, 1934?

Trick question eh? Everyone knows he skipped lunch that day.

[MacD]

Or could this be a sign that the Japanese press are not in touch with their gamers?

Nah...I'd say the japanese press is more in touch with japanese gamers than you are.

Probably not, but we will see when the doors open.

True :)

Japanese gamers do not seem nearly as interested in the online space, and prefer a different kind of narrative in their games as well.

I never really thought about that...seems funny when the neighbouring asian nations are big online-players (be it Starcraft or Lineage).

IMO, right or wrong, the Japanese have some pretty weird fetishes

True, but then there's SuperColumbine, Postal 3 and american plumper porn too...

NEWSFLASH:
Different cultures have different gaming tastes! More at 9!

This.

[blackzc]

Americans = FPS clones and shallow, twitch gameplay
Japanese = JRPGs and dating sims/H-games

This is common knowledge.

Not saying this isnt true but go to ustream in the middle of the night, there are all kinds of guys streaming FPSs from japan.

[Vulture]

maybe they teach history to their kids over their so they find games about real wars to be repellent.
Umm no they don't , they seriously avoid 20th century military history because it might show their guilt. Unlike the germans who have come to terms with their forefathers actions.

Seriously Japan conventions with Cosplay, have SS and Japanese Naval officers roaming the halls. And they even have specific porn fetishes for the Nazis [can you say german milk maidens].

[Johan]

they [the Japanese] seriously avoid 20th century military history because it might show their guilt. Unlike the Germans who have come to terms with their forefathers actions.

Japanese school books routinely whitewash their WWII history. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27855-2005Apr5.html)

The Japanese honor convicted war criminals at the Yasukuni Shrine. (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/textbooks.htm)

Japan's relationship with Korea (North and South Korea) is complicated by decades of pre-WW II dominance and the forced sexual enslavement of 'comfort women.' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6530197.stm)

Japan denies killing around 300,000 Chinese civilians in its brutal rape of Nanking. Read about that at your own risk. It's horrifying what they did there. (http://www.chinapost.com.tw/international/113060.htm)

Japan's "Unit 731" conducted horrifying biological tests and torture on humans...and the Americans pardoned many of them TO GET THE DATA. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-439776/Doctors-Depravity.html)

My cousin is married to a Japanese woman and has three children; they have lived in Japan for years. I have a great respect for the Japanese, but they have a very large blind spot in their culture regarding WWII. Part of it is typical historical revisionism, which every culture engages in (Columbus is such a hero, eh folks? No...he wasn't). Part of it is Asian concepts of shame and guilt. All of it is unfortunate, however. Unlike Germany, they haven't really cleared the air.

[Froggy]

Johan: Agreed.

But that doesn't absolve us from similar crimes. Most of my textbooks paint the use of atomic weapons at Hiroshima and Nagasaki as a necessary and effective tool, without so much as a footnote acknowledging the loss of innocent lives.

Students should have the right to understand both sides of such an argument and decide for themselves. Those are the same textbooks that sing Columbus's praises and tell us all about the heroic (and poorly named) Pilgrims who came to America, of course, because of religious persecution and not to exploit natives for economic gain. Because crossing the Atlantic in a goddamn Galley is easier than just going to fucking France like everyone else.

endrant.

[brandonjclark]

Johan: Agreed.

But that doesn't absolve us from similar crimes. Most of my textbooks paint the use of atomic weapons at Hiroshima and Nagasaki as a necessary and effective tool, without so much as a footnote acknowledging the loss of innocent lives.

Students should have the right to understand both sides of such an argument and decide for themselves. Those are the same textbooks that sing Columbus's praises and tell us all about the heroic (and poorly named) Pilgrims who came to America, of course, because of religious persecution and not to exploit natives for economic gain. Because crossing the Atlantic in a goddamn Galley is easier than just going to fucking France like everyone else.

endrant.

It was a crime to drop two nuclear bombs on Japan? Hmmm, wonder where you get that from since they started the war against us and wouldn't quit because of this sacred "honor", forcing more of our boys to die everyday. We had their ass bagged long before we dropped the bombs and gave them many chances to surrender, ending the war altogether.

We dropped the bomb to save future lives, Froggy. Future American lives were saved and I'm thankful that my forefathers had the balls to do it or I might not be here (let alone you).

[Froggy]

The crime is illustrating the event from a single perspective, as you have.

[blackzc]

Johan: Agreed.

But that doesn't absolve us from similar crimes. Most of my textbooks paint the use of atomic weapons at Hiroshima and Nagasaki as a necessary and effective tool, without so much as a footnote acknowledging the loss of innocent lives.

If we had firebombed them like Dresden would it have been so horrific? They are not so different in term of casualties but for some reason the whole (nuke) word magically makes it abhorrent.

I myself have come to the conclusion the Japanese were out of their minds during WW2 and it saved much more lives than it took.

[blackzc]

The crime is illustrating the event from a single perspective, as you have.

And your view is from 30 perspectives? Labeling this a crime puts you right in that camp there buddy.

[brandonjclark]

The crime is illustrating the event from a single perspective, as you have.

I understand your point, so let me add one line to my last post and tell me if I meet your quota of illustrating both sides points.

".....and also saved millions of future JAPANESE lives as well."

Sometimes the truth is correct and hard to accept, even if it was a horrible thing to happen.

[Froggy]

And your view is from 30 perspectives? Labeling this a crime puts you right in that camp there buddy.

Christ on a crouton! I said the crime was the one-sided textbooks, not the bombs.

[Johan]

But that doesn't absolve us from similar crimes.

I wouldn't call Hiroshima and Nagasaki crimes, if that is what you mean/imply, especially considering the loss of both American and Japanese (and local/indigenous) lives as we moved our way across the Pacific island by island. The prospect of a land invasion of Japan proper, considering the cost on Iwo Jima and most especially Okinawa would have weighed heavily for those making military decisions at the time. After all, even after the first bomb at Hiroshima extinguished tens of thousands of lives and leveled 90% of the city, Japan would not surrender. It took another city and tens of thousands more lives to persuade them of the futility of continuing. We're fortunate they gave in. We didn't have any more bombs ready, and wouldn't have for quite some time. A land invasion would have been necessary. However, they didn't know that we only had two at the time, thankfully.

I do agree with you regarding the ease with which cultures elevate their qualities and diminish their faults. However, America has perhaps gone in the opposite direction, arguably, and become too critical of itself, diminishing our contributions to the world.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. No place is perfect.

".....and also saved millions of future JAPANESE lives as well."

I think Iwo Jima and Okinawa are proof of this.

Christ on a crouton!

Is that for sale on eBay? I hate eBay... ;)

[Froggy]

...even if it was a horrible thing to happen.

You do understand. I'm not trying to take sides on the issue... I would just like the textbooks to acknowledge, as you have, that it was a horrible thing to happen.

[JazGalaxy]

Americans = FPS clones and shallow, twitch gameplay
Japanese = JRPGs and dating sims/H-games

This is common knowledge.

I'd actually do it more this way...

Americans: Trying to feel like "badasses" at all costs

Japanese: Fake social interaction at all costs

[oldjadedgamer]

The Japanese just don't like overly Western made games. Uncharted 2 is going to be a huge bomb over there this year too. It's not really news.

[JazGalaxy]

The Japanese just don't like overly Western made games. Uncharted 2 is going to be a huge bomb over there this year too. It's not really news.

Well, I mean, there are completely quantifiable reasons why they don't like them. It's not like they don't like it because it was MADE in the West. They just don't respond well to a lot of the concepts that American gamers find interest.

We don't spend lots of time dealing with the philosophical ramifications of the players actions in game, or considering the nature of the universe. American games are mostly about being introduced to a threat and then eliminating that threat. Violently. Sometimes with the benefit of seeing and eliminating other threats on the way there.

I mean even Bioshock, which some might call our most recent literate game, was about capitalism and violence. If you're not down with american idiology... there's not much to get into there.

[Zeal]

and the game industry no longer cares about japan, which has been dead in the water in terms of creativity for about a decade now.

[greenapple]

and the game industry no longer cares about japan, which has been dead in the water in terms of creativity for about a decade now.

You mean the game industry in which the Wii is dominant along with nintendo first party games?

Yeah. Dead in the water.

Seriously, from the guy who's signature is "play Halo or play nothing," I think complaining about lack of creativity is hilarious.

[JazGalaxy]

You mean the game industry in which the Wii is dominant along with nintendo first party games?

Yeah. Dead in the water.

Seriously, from the guy who's signature is "play Halo or play nothing," I think complaining about lack of creativity is hilarious.

No, he's right. And that's not a boon in any way, it's kind of common industry knowledge.

Sure everyone owns a wii in Japan, but it's in the same way as everyone owns a wii here. It doesn't mean anything. The games industry is tanking in Japan and every big name developer has been commenting on how to fix that for the past few years.

[Tyrant]

Didn't Modern Warfare just recently come out there with a relatively warm reception? I recall reading some brief article on it, but I don't care enough to find it.

[ScottBravesFan]

You mean the game industry in which the Wii is dominant along with nintendo first party games?

Yeah. Dead in the water.

Seriously, from the guy who's signature is "play Halo or play nothing," I think complaining about lack of creativity is hilarious.



Where have you been? The dive in the Japanese gaming market has been huge talk for years. The DS still does well but home consoles have been struggling for awhile. People have Wii's over there but they gather dust kind of like they do in the United States. It's kind of sad seeing how huge gaming culture used to be in Japan too.

[HALO 32]

2 words.

Motion.

Sickness.

And Japanese gamers are notoriously susceptible to it.

Correct, you get a golden banana sticker!

[Anenome]

maybe they teach history to their kids over their so they find games about real wars to be repellent.

Perhaps, but they obviously don't teach English wherever you went to school :P

[Anenome]

No, he's right. And that's not a boon in any way, it's kind of common industry knowledge.

Sure everyone owns a wii in Japan, but it's in the same way as everyone owns a wii here. It doesn't mean anything. The games industry is tanking in Japan and every big name developer has been commenting on how to fix that for the past few years.

There seems to be a recent trend of creative games too. Many from Indie devs, it's true. Kind of ironic that Square, known for RPGs, gets aced out in the MMORPG world by an American company with WoW. A Final Fantasy MMO done right would be amazing, to be sure. But, they were too locked into their RPG-style combat model to make it work in real-time, as WoW did.

Ever since, Square's been trying to create battle with a more real-time feel and far less strategic control, resulting in more and more abstraction from the battle itself, reducing the feeling of mastery, control, and the satisfaction thereof.

Meanwhile, WoW achieves real-time combat and minute combat control.

But sure, in 'Last Remnant' you control up to 10 party members in two groups with three button presses per combat. But is that really what we want. I actually enjoyed the LR demo, I would play the game, the menus and abstractions don't bother me.

So then, what accounts for Final Fantasy not being the world's most popular MMORPG?
How did they let that one slip by? It's mind-boggling. The greatest RPG property in the world and they can't seem to launch a wildly successful MMO out of it.

They tried with FFXI you'll say, but who really played that? Most of the people who bought it didn't even know it had a subscription requirement. And now they want to pull the same thing with XIV. *shrug*

[greenapple]

Where have you been? The dive in the Japanese gaming market has been huge talk for years. The DS still does well but home consoles have been struggling for awhile. People have Wii's over there but they gather dust kind of like they do in the United States. It's kind of sad seeing how huge gaming culture used to be in Japan too.

Read Zeal's post. The game industry "no longer cares" about Japan.

That is a HUGE world of difference from a decline from the top. If you think Japan isn't a market for game developers, you're smoking crack, along with Zeal.

On Wii's, hardcore gamers can make whatever noise they want about Wii's being in every house yet somehow not mattering, but Nintendo (Japanese!) is printing money hand over fist this generation.

On creativity, I'll take games such as Shadow of the Colosssus, Okami, Demon Blade, and Knights in the Nightmare against any FPS for creativity.

Has the Japanese market declined from its hey day? Sure. Does it "no longer matter" or is it no longer creativity? BS.

[greenapple]

P.S.:

Here's the 2008 annual best selling games figures for the U.S.:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3172314

Yeah, that's the dust gathering Wii holding the top 4 slots.

[Zeal]

it's pretty sad when even japan agrees with me:


At a hands-on event for Dead Rising 2, producer Keiji Inafune (father of Mega Man) had some not-so-nice-words about this year's Tokyo Game Show.

After asking the crowd of attendees what they thought of TGS this year (and urging them to be honest in their responses), Inafune expressed disappointment in this year's show and its games line-up.

"Personally when I looked around [at] all the different games at the TGS floor," Capcom's Ben Judd translated Inafune, "I said 'Man, Japan is over. We're done. Our game industry is finished.'"

http://www.destructoid.com/tgs-09-keiji-inafune-dumps-on-tokyo-game-show-2009-149909.phtml

[Zeal]

i'm actually sitting here laughing because what he are the exact words that would come out of my mouth.

hello i am master chieflolollololololololollololool

[JazGalaxy]

Read Zeal's post. The game industry "no longer cares" about Japan.

That is a HUGE world of difference from a decline from the top. If you think Japan isn't a market for game developers, you're smoking crack, along with Zeal.

On Wii's, hardcore gamers can make whatever noise they want about Wii's being in every house yet somehow not mattering, but Nintendo (Japanese!) is printing money hand over fist this generation.

On creativity, I'll take games such as Shadow of the Colosssus, Okami, Demon Blade, and Knights in the Nightmare against any FPS for creativity.

Has the Japanese market declined from its hey day? Sure. Does it "no longer matter" or is it no longer creativity? BS.

There's a difference between Nintendo making money and people playing games.

Transformers 2 made a lot of money. That doesn't in any way mean people liked it, Transformers 3 would make any money, or Michael Bay is a bankable director.

[greenapple]

There's a difference between Nintendo making money and people playing games.

Transformers 2 made a lot of money. That doesn't in any way mean people liked it, Transformers 3 would make any money, or Michael Bay is a bankable director.

So your argument is people are buying MILLIONS of copies of these games, and then not playing them?

Nice. It's amazing that you're able to be in everyone's homes to establish your insider knowledge. Of course, you must be right, instead of the numbers.

As to whether people liked Transformers or not, I'll take the sales figures over your critique, too. Besides, when it does well, there's a MAJOR transformers market whether people "liked" it or not.

[Anenome]

Lol, JG, people vote with their pocketbooks. Obviously people like the Wii and Transformers.

Zeal: What that quote means is that Japan is no longer driving the industry, the US market is. And US developers have really taken over, and Japanese devs are largely on the decline.

[JazGalaxy]

So your argument is people are buying MILLIONS of copies of these games, and then not playing them?

Nice. It's amazing that you're able to be in everyone's homes to establish your insider knowledge. Of course, you must be right, instead of the numbers.

As to whether people liked Transformers or not, I'll take the sales figures over your critique, too. Besides, when it does well, there's a MAJOR transformers market whether people "liked" it or not.

You're either entirely missing the point or just really obtuse.

As other people have stated, it's not like the people here are just MAKING UP the fact that the japanese gaming market is tanking. It's common discussion among Japanese developers and publishers.

As I stated previously, just because people are buying the Wii, just like in america, doesn't mean the market is healthy. If it was, developers would be making money hand over fist off of wii titles. And in case you forgot.. they're not.

My tranformers analogy is due to the fact that the general consensus among reviews and the backlash against the film from movie goers is generally negative. Yet, the box office take was extremely positive. Most of that money came from the opening week. In television it woudl be called a "look in" audience. It's the numbers you get not because of the merit of product but based purely on hype.

[Johan]

I would hate to think what gaming would be like without Nintendo and Sony (not that I think either is going away...because I don't). Think about that (gaming without Nintendo/Sony) as we consider the state of Japan's contributions to the industry. Their software development and creativity may be declining, but they still put out very important contributions in hardware and in some games that just don't get made in the States, as well.

[Zeal]

Zeal: What that quote means is that Japan is no longer driving the industry, the US market is. And US developers have really taken over, and Japanese devs are largely on the decline.

http://1.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kp49h9MfHz1qzgmklo1_400.jpg

[greenapple]

As I stated previously, just because people are buying the Wii, just like in america, doesn't mean the market is healthy. If it was, developers would be making money hand over fist off of wii titles. And in case you forgot.. they're not.

The only person being obtuse is the guy completely IGNORING numbers and the country that made the top 4 of 10 games of last year.

Is Japan declining? Certainly. Is it dead in the water, ignored, and uncreativity? Get off the crack and spot the difference between the two positions.

By the way, your whole comments about Transformers and Bay are hilarious. Like it or not, Bay IS bankable and has proven so for years. Citing reviews against Bay is also silly as hell. I'm pretty willing to bank that if you charted critical review against box office dollars, the trend would be inverse. The movie viewing public ain't made up of critics. DOLLARS tell you what's a commercial success and what isn't.

[Anenome]

The only person being obtuse is the guy completely IGNORING numbers and the country that made the top 4 of 10 games of last year.

Is Japan declining? Certainly. Is it dead in the water, ignored, and uncreativity? Get off the crack and spot the difference between the two positions.

@ Zeal.
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[JockoIsWacko]

2 words.

Motion.

Sickness.

And Japanese gamers are notoriously susceptible to it.

Wow. Your racist is showing.

[Dag-Sabot]

Sorry, how exactly is that racist? Not judging, only curious.

[Johan]

Wow. Your racist is showing.

Your poor reading comprehension is showing, as is your ignorance (http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowPDF&ArtikelNr=154318&Ausgabe=237501&ProduktNr=224250&filename=154318.pdf).

Genetic variations between racial/ethnic groups can lead to higher statistical rates of particular physiological responses, or disease risks, than that of other racial/ethnic groups.

Here's an example of a genetic disease more prevalent among blacks than whites, Asians or Hispanics. (http://www.merck.com/mmhe/au/sec14/ch172/ch172g.html)

Here's another interesting example, this time for Asians. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/801873.stm)

That's not racist...it's science. THIS is racist. (http://jhmas.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/XXV/1/40)

Of course, nowadays, EVERYTHING is racist. :rolleyes:

[JockoIsWacko]

Your poor reading comprehension is showing, as is your ignorance (http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowPDF&ArtikelNr=154318&Ausgabe=237501&ProduktNr=224250&filename=154318.pdf).

Genetic variations between racial/ethnic groups can lead to higher statistical rates of particular physiological responses, or disease risks, than that of other racial/ethnic groups.

Here's an example of a genetic disease more prevalent among blacks than whites, Asians or Hispanics. (http://www.merck.com/mmhe/au/sec14/ch172/ch172g.html)

Here's another interesting example, this time for Asians. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/801873.stm)

That's not racist...it's science. THIS is racist. (http://jhmas.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/XXV/1/40)

Of course, nowadays, EVERYTHING is racist. :rolleyes:

Ok, please show me the study where Japanese Gamers are more prone to motion sickness, and I'll be glad to retract.

[JockoIsWacko]

Ok, please show me the study where Japanese Gamers are more prone to motion sickness, and I'll be glad to retract.

Note: I said Gamers.

[JockoIsWacko]

Note: I said Gamers.

Also the study that was linked mentioned Asians are prone to motion sickness, not Japanese specifically. Asians represent many different nationalities. The comment was about Japanese gamers only. I believe there is a difference.

Btw, I am not Asian. Don't want to start a racial argument, just wanted clarification where the info is coming from.

[Johan]

Ok, please show me the study where Japanese Gamers are more prone to motion sickness, and I'll be glad to retract.

I already did. (http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowPDF&ArtikelNr=154318&Ausgabe=237501&ProduktNr=224250&filename=154318.pdf).

PDF on Asian susceptibility to visually induced motion sickness. (http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~gh1/pdf/2005Klosterhalfen.pdf)

"Higher susceptibility to motion and motion-induced N&V [nausea and vomiting] is well established in Asian subjects, as compared with Caucasians or people of African origin."

The comment was about Japanese gamers only. I believe there is a difference.

I don't have much patience for ignorance and stupidity. You're displaying both.

Japanese susceptibility. (http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/motion-sickness?print=true)

Research suggests that some people inherit a predisposition to motion sickness. This predisposition is more marked in some ethnic groups than in others; one study published in 2002 found that persons of Chinese or Japanese ancestry are significantly more vulnerable to motion sickness than persons of British ancestry.

Time for you to reevaluate your stance, and to perhaps think twice before calling out "racism." :rolleyes:

[JockoIsWacko]

I already did. (http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowPDF&ArtikelNr=154318&Ausgabe=237501&ProduktNr=224250&filename=154318.pdf).

PDF on Asian susceptibility to visually induced motion sickness. (http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~gh1/pdf/2005Klosterhalfen.pdf)





I don't have much patience for ignorance and stupidity. You're displaying both.

Japanese susceptibility. (http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/motion-sickness?print=true)



Time for you to reevaluate your stance, and to perhaps think twice before calling out "racism." :rolleyes:

I ask again, which study says "Gamer"?

In addition, motion sickness could or could not be the reason why the Japanese population is not buying the game.....to generalize is also ignorant.

[Johan]

I ask again, which study says "Gamer"?

You can't be helped. Seriously. I'm stunned.

[TeeCakes]

Time for you to reevaluate your stance, and to perhaps think twice before calling out "racism." :rolleyes:

Instead of all that hotlinking, you should've just ended the argument with this gem of irony:

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab30/16bitninja/racist.gif

Aha! If you laughed at that, you can't call "racism" without being a hypocrite!!

[Dag-Sabot]

I didn't laugh at that. Rather crude way to end a discussion, and besides were talking about asian gamers. :D

[Stormwatcher]

I ask again, which study says "Gamer"?

In addition, motion sickness could or could not be the reason why the Japanese population is not buying the game.....to generalize is also ignorant.
So you're so incredibly stupid that you cannot understand that all Asian Gamers are necessarily Asian, and thus affected by the motion sickness issue he linked?

You know, a larger group and a subset that is entirely contained in this larger group?

You know, basic logic?

You should ask the mods to change your nick to JockoIsClinicallyRetarded.

[Dag-Sabot]

You should ask the mods to change your nick to JockoIsClinicallyRetarded. Now that made me laugh!

[JockoIsWacko]

So you're so incredibly stupid that you cannot understand that all Asian Gamers are necessarily Asian, and thus affected by the motion sickness issue he linked?

You know, a larger group and a subset that is entirely contained in this larger group?

You know, basic logic?

You should ask the mods to change your nick to JockoIsClinicallyRetarded.

The reason why Japanese Gamers are not buying COD is because Japanese Gamers don't like the FPS genre, not because they have motion sickness.

In addition, the mods should change your nick to "Take your basic Logic and shoved it up your Arse"

You had to start the name-calling to get your point across?

[Johan]

The reason why Japanese Gamers are not buying COD is because Japanese Gamers don't like the FPS genre, not because they have motion sickness.

Perhaps. Perhaps not. That has nothing to do with your foolish initial statement, however. Let's walk down memory lane, shall we? Truth has a way of slipping away from us all too easily.

2 words.

Motion.

Sickness.

And Japanese gamers are notoriously susceptible to it. Wow. Your racist is showing.

EvilMunkee's comment was not racist. In fact, it was correct on the facts, in that Asians, the Japanese and Chinese in particular, (http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/motion-sickness?print=true) are more susceptible to visually-induced motion sickness...a reality I have pointed out to you on numerous occasions with actual, legitimate research and which you have assiduously ignored in your inability to correct yourself or to, you know...read.

You had to start the name-calling to get your point across?

Actual logic failed with you, so is it so shocking? Besides, you have a faulty memory...

Wow. Your racist is showing.

Oh how hypocritical people can be. What worse name can you call someone than a "racist" eh? :rolleyes:

Is it so much to ask that you read, consider, and reevaluate your position when you're wrong? Is that so difficult? You were wrong regarding the racist motivation of the initial post you responded to. You were wrong to challenge the factual basis of that post, which I have shown you.

You were/are wrong. Accepting the truth only serves to align you with reality, you know. It's good for one's mental health.

[JockoIsWacko]

Perhaps. Perhaps not. That has nothing to do with your foolish initial statement, however. Let's walk down memory lane, shall we? Truth has a way of slipping away from us all too easily.



EvilMunkee's comment was not racist. In fact, it was correct on the facts, in that Asians, the Japanese and Chinese in particular, (http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/motion-sickness?print=true) are more susceptible to visually-induced motion sickness...a reality I have pointed out to you on numerous occasions with actual, legitimate research and which you have assiduously ignored in your inability to correct yourself or to, you know...read.



Actual logic failed with you, so is it so shocking? Besides, you have a faulty memory...



Oh how hypocritical people can be. What worse name can you call someone than a "racist" eh? :rolleyes:

Is it so much to ask that you read, consider, and reevaluate your position when you're wrong? Is that so difficult? You were wrong regarding the racist motivation of the initial post you responded to. You were wrong to challenge the factual basis of that post, which I have shown you.

You were/are wrong. Accepting the truth only serves to align you with reality, you know. It's good for one's mental health.

Oh shoot, it might not matter, but I meant to type "your RACISM is showing"....I apologize for that.

Also, my whole point was that regardless of whether a race/nationality was more prone to motion sickness or not, it doesn't mean that that was the reason that Japanese gamers were not buying the game. To generalize that motion sickness was the cause was, to me, unfair, and showed bias.

I learned something new through those studies, and next time, I'll proofread more carefully before hitting "submit".

[Johan]

Also, my whole point was that regardless of whether a race/nationality was more prone to motion sickness or not, it doesn't mean that that was the reason that Japanese gamers were not buying the game.

That's a great point that deserves attention/consideration. Next time, you can make that point, rather than throwing the race card. This thread is enough to make anyone suffer motion sickness, too. See you on the boards!

[JockoIsWacko]

That's a great point that deserves attention/consideration. Next time, you can make that point, rather than throwing the race card. This thread is enough to make anyone suffer motion sickness, too. See you on the boards!

Will do. Just that when I saw the initial statement, I was in shock.....
And next time, I'll just get straight to the point. :)

[Stormwatcher]

The reason why Japanese Gamers are not buying COD is because Japanese Gamers don't like the FPS genre, not because they have motion sickness.

In addition, the mods should change your nick to "Take your basic Logic and shoved it up your Arse"

You had to start the name-calling to get your point across?

Well, I'm sorry if I were a bit aggressive, but in your posts you never mentioned the connection to the whole FPS part. You were just repeating the same thing, "what about gamers", and didn't actually clearly state your real point. Which indeed makes sense. It was a pity, because had you voiced your argument in a transparent way, neither me nor Johan would be discussing with you.

So, anyway, you were questioning the connection between Asian people have more motion sickness and Asian people who are gamers having more motion sickness, which came as kinda dumb to me. But now we all understood each other and puppies.

EDIT: Oh, well, toned down the post a lot because the argument is over.