Megaman news for 360 and Rev

[Mozgus]

Source (http://megaman.retrofaction.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1137696248&archive=&start_from=&ucat=2&)

The most important tidbit is the mention of the "SNES Chip" in the Revolution, as well as chips for NES and N64. This would lead us to assume that the Rev will not be using emulation to power these classic games, but would actually play them with pixel-perfect reincarnations.

[AversionFX]

Nice. I for one absolutely love old-school games, even in this "next gen" world.

[EyesNoMore]

Working at an EB myself, I have had long conversations with the reps from MS and Nintendo. They are nice guys, but they definantly don't have that kind of info. They are about as informed as any of us here on EA. I'm gonna have to say the article is bullshit or the rep was just spouting a bunch of bullshit. I mean, it may turn out to be completely true, but I don't believe the source.

[AkumaATR]

History shows that this is the route that Nintendo usually takes. Every instance of Game Boy backwards compatibility is actually achieved via hardware inclusion of old chips (the Game Boy Advance includes the old Z80 chipsets, and based on a simple physical mechanism that checks the cartridge type, the proper hardware is initialized). Also, the Game Boy Player for Gamecube is essentially just Game Boy Advance internals inside of an attachment that routes I/O. I would also imagine that manufacturing the old console chipsets in this day and age, especially in large batches, would be more economical than pursuing the software emulation route (and less risky to boot).

[agentgray]

Wow. If true, that's great. I wish Microsoft would have followed this route

[Mozgus]

History shows that this is the route that Nintendo usually takes. Every instance of Game Boy backwards compatibility is actually achieved via hardware inclusion of old chips (the Game Boy Advance includes the old Z80 chipsets, and based on a simple physical mechanism that checks the cartridge type, the proper hardware is initialized). Also, the Game Boy Player for Gamecube is essentially just Game Boy Advance internals inside of an attachment that routes I/O. I would also imagine that manufacturing the old console chipsets in this day and age, especially in large batches, would be more economical than pursuing the software emulation route (and less risky to boot).
Exactly. It sucks that they removed the GB chip from the GB Micro, though. I guess that's how it's so small.

[Wombat]

Microsoft couldn't do this as they would have had to pay both ATI and Nvidia for their graphics chips.

[Balthasar]

History shows that this is the route that Nintendo usually takes.
Wait, what? No it doesn't. The Gameboy has nothing to do with their console itterations, none of which have ever been backwards compatable.

[KDups]

Another "Nintendo rep at EB" story. Gotta believe those, right?

[Schnoogs]

Wait, what? No it doesn't. The Gameboy has nothing to do with their console itterations, none of which have ever been backwards compatable.

Exactly...this would be a first for Nintendo.

[AkumaATR]

Certainly you see my point though... all of Nintendo's backward-compatibility efforts have incorporated the older systems' hardware. That's a fact.

[LarsenNET]

Actually I’m a bit disappointed by this. I was hoping they would redo the graphics like they are doing with the 360 arcade. 8 bit untouched up games are going to look like ass on a 50” HDTV. Hopefully they will on the big titles.

[Schnoogs]

Actually I’m a bit disappointed by this. I was hoping they would redo the graphics like they are doing with the 360 arcade. 8 bit untouched up games are going to look like ass on a 50” HDTV. Hopefully they will on the big titles.

Maybe thats why Nintendo is choosing not too support HD...they know the older games will look like ass.

I kid, I kid.

[thecrazyd]

Actually I’m a bit disappointed by this. I was hoping they would redo the graphics like they are doing with the 360 arcade. 8 bit untouched up games are going to look like ass on a 50” HDTV. Hopefully they will on the big titles.
Well, I expect them to have a much more massive list of games then the 360, and from launch. Maybe they will allow the devs to update, but if this allows them to have all to nearly all NES and SNES games available from launch, then I am happy.

[AkumaATR]

Actually I’m a bit disappointed by this. I was hoping they would redo the graphics like they are doing with the 360 arcade. 8 bit untouched up games are going to look like ass on a 50” HDTV. Hopefully they will on the big titles.

They could perform anti-aliasing, or any of the other graphical touch-up algorithms that exist (that many emulators use), easily enough on the framebuffer. This should be possible whether emulation or original circuitry is used to achieve backward-compatibility. Hopefully these options will be present.

[Chandler]

Super Sai X2!!

[jBusy]

Certainly you see my point though... all of Nintendo's backward-compatibility efforts have incorporated the older systems' hardware. That's a fact.

There are some big differences. N's current efforts only work when you have the actual physical cartridge. You'll be downloading them on the revolution. The Gameboy emulation doesn't have to deal with any licenses, such as Sony who designed the SNES sound chip, SGI who designed the N64 graphics chip, etc.

If I had access to Nintendo's documentation about their systems, I would have no problem coming up with a fantastic emulator.

[dudemarky]

Yep. Total bullshit. No way is a retail rep gonna be carrying around a key piece of the Revolution hardware.

[Mozgus]

Yep. Total bullshit. No way is a retail rep gonna be carrying around a key piece of the Revolution hardware.
Bullshit on the rep then. Not bullshit on Megaman Network. They are very respectable.

[if76]

I would far and away prefer updated versions of games. Forget about graphics but a lot of old games are frustratingly punishing. When I was six I didn't mind replaying the 5 easy levels just to have a game over on the 6th and then start again. Now that I'm 23 and have a job and classes, I'd prefer not to run through the same Megaman levels over and over to get the same E tanks.

Just my opinion.

[31 Flavas]

I would far and away prefer updated versions of games. Forget about graphics but a lot of old games are frustratingly punishing.You kids these days with your fancy save points and password codes... Why back in my day...

I would far and away prefer the games NOT to be modified except for save points or stored/saved passwords. Preferably done ala "NES Classics" style, where the game itself is not modified, but you can pop up a menu or something and choose save or it just remembers the games password for you.

[thecrazyd]

I would far and away prefer updated versions of games. Forget about graphics but a lot of old games are frustratingly punishing. When I was six I didn't mind replaying the 5 easy levels just to have a game over on the 6th and then start again. Now that I'm 23 and have a job and classes, I'd prefer not to run through the same Megaman levels over and over to get the same E tanks.

Just my opinion.
Yes, it would be nice to completely remake the game from the ground up, but I do not see that happening, as they want the largest backlog possible.

[Phanto]

What can i say?? or to contribute the discussion here:
i hope that Nintendo don't come up with the iTunes idea or should i said "iNintendo" for the online library of old Nintendo games.
Thinking in a interesting view about this, that come up to my mind right now it would be a great deal, buying games and downloading them to the Revolution for only $0.99 or maybe $1.99 but once again this would be a benefit for console players, cuz they are already emulators of almost all consoles that have been release in this all years, at the exeption of the GC & Xbox, yes the PS2 is on the way to the PC :)

[Mozgus]

I would far and away prefer updated versions of games. Forget about graphics but a lot of old games are frustratingly punishing. When I was six I didn't mind replaying the 5 easy levels just to have a game over on the 6th and then start again. Now that I'm 23 and have a job and classes, I'd prefer not to run through the same Megaman levels over and over to get the same E tanks.

Just my opinion.
Thats great, but we need the original versions as well. Like Metroid Zero Mission. It has the original NES version, as well as the remade version. It's the total package.

[ElectricMonk]

Actually I’m a bit disappointed by this. I was hoping they would redo the graphics like they are doing with the 360 arcade. 8 bit untouched up games are going to look like ass on a 50” HDTV. Hopefully they will on the big titles.

Yeah that would make it a bit easier to justify a price tag if it was a tweaked version of mario with updated graphics and mod-quality music.

You just know nintendo is going to be charging $24.95 for these things apiece.

[Megalith]

What, no Virtual Boy chip.

[mister_slim]

GBPlayer does some antialiasing, by the way.

Rev rumor is definitely wrong. I hope the 360 gets all the MM stuff though. And the PS3 does as well. Everyone should be doing this. It's annoying enough knowing that Wipeout and Battletoads won't be available on the Rev.

[Chris_D]

I would definitely like to see enhanced graphics on par with what the snes emulators are doing these days. Also I want save state at any time. Wouldn't be too hard fitting a bunch of these on the flash ram. NES games I'm not really interested in because they generally don't hold up these days for me.

[Mav]

Microsoft couldn't do this as they would have had to pay both ATI and Nvidia for their graphics chips.

They could do it, if both were paid.

But old Bill just couldn't resist the Rules of Aquisition.

[score]

Haven't Nintendo said that they are considering sprucing/updating some of the old games?

[dr_wily]

ooh if this was true, id bet my left buttcheek the mod community would come up with some cool shit that would allow you to play the roms on the chips instead of downloading them. imagine a gig usb flash with the entire NES and SNES archive on it.

random megaman reference of the day:
WEB SPIDER!

[steinfoot]

WEB SPIDER!


amen to that!

we need a new mega man game. 3d graphics, 2d gameplay, just like the originals. no more Rockman DX Network Z crap.