'Booth Babes' No More at E3?

[fitbabits]

Gamecloud (http://www.gamecloud.com) has the details (http://www.gamecloud.com/article.php?article_id=3159).

While looked down upon by some parties there is no denying that the number of booth models dressed sometimes in provacative costumes at E3 have gotten some of the most publicity at each show and indeed entire web sites have evolved to showcase these models. Now it looks like Entertainment Software Association, which runs E3, may be cracking down on such displays.

Material, including live models, conduct that is sexually explicit and/or sexually provocative, including but not limited to nudity, partial nudity and bathing suit bottoms, are prohibited on the Show floor, all common areas, and at any access points to the Show. ESA, in its sole discretion, will determine whether material is acceptable.
About frickin' time!

[Citizen Philip]

That's quite funny. You goddam nerds are going to have to find somewhere else to oogle chicks! HAHA!

I have always thought that booth babes were the most retarded spectacle at E3: What the hell do they have to do with the games at all? Like a chick standing next to a rotating car.. WTF?

[TrackZero]

Glad to hear this, it means maybe E3 will go back to just being about the games. Instead of wasting floor space, photographers and headcount for those people who only come to see the booth babes in the first place (I'm sure there's some out there every year). The show will just be about showing off games again (oh, and rampant commercialism of course).

[EternalGamer]

The booth babes at E3 were the most blatant example of sexual objectification 90% of the time they had absolutely no connect to the product. I haven't been to E3 for several years, but it just made you feel creepy to see all those guys asking the models to take pictures with them in public. At least places like Hooters are specifically taylored to this end so everybody knows what they are getting into. It has no place in a electronics convention.

Dan

[YoungAlCapone]

I love the female form, however the exploitation of women so as to sell products is quite ridiculous, not to mention offensive, and is even more so in the case of videogames.

This makes perfect sense and it is kinda funny that such a sanction should ever have to be placed in the first place.

[Acidpoptart]

THANK GOD. I actually hated them alot whenever I went. Maybe this year it will be slightly more professional. I always thought it was kinda sleazy and also a bit sexist to use women like that for attention. Imagine this: E3 being about entertainment, not naked women. Just Imagine.

THANK YOU ESA! :)

[TrackZero]

The booth babes at E3 were the most blatant example of sexual objectification 90% of the time they had absolutely no connect to the product. I haven't been to E3 for several years, but it just made you feel creepy to see all those guys asking the models to take pictures with them in public. At least places like Hooters are specifically taylored to this end so everybody knows what they are getting into. It has no place in a electronics convention.

Dan

Seconded. But just to be fair in this, it's not like those booth babes weren't getting paid to do this. Nor were most of the E3 attendees going just to see the objectification of women. If anyone should be ashamed, it's the companies who were hiring them in the first place. Glad this is getting clamped down on.

Edit: Note: I generally hate PR people. Their job comes down to finding ways to exploit the consumer to force their product at them. A large percentage of the ones I've met do this without any moral questioning, only asking themselves what they can get away with.

[XxSATANxX]

You will see more booth babes not less. This just defines the rules regarding the outfits big deal. E3 has stopped being about anything other than PR hype. The big dogz drown out innovation, creativity, and fun. The show itself is just about spin. For the first time in a long time I'm taking a pass on E3. I can get what I really need from here and 2 other web sites.

I really would like to go to one of the Indie shows this year any reccomends?

[Metal Jesus]

Booth Babes didn't hurt anybody. This is just stupid.

[Mirabelle]

This is great news. I can't speak for every girl who goes to game conventions, but booth babes have always made me feel really uncomfortable. To me, it seems to really highlight women's 'outsider' status in the industry. It is just impossible to feel like or be perceived as an equal when a good portion of the women at these events are in bikinis and are paid to be there.

[fitbabits]

Booth Babes didn't hurt anybody. This is just stupid.
They may not have 'hurt' anyone in the conventional sense, but they are degrading and they do harm the reputation of gamers who most people already view as under-sexed teenage males with nothing better to do than ogle purdy wimmin.

[PIPBoy3000]

I'm agreeing with the general tone expressed here. The focus of E3 should be the games. Things that distract from that aren't welcome. I'd much rather see headlines about Bioware's latest offering than Take Two's half-naked booth babes.

[Savok]

If you'll take note

ESA, in its sole discretion, will determine whether material is acceptable.
They're asking for bribes, that's all, booth babes just got a bit more expensive is all.

[falcon]

Well this now kills the skank to quality ratio I used to gauge booths(there is an inverse relationship between the quality of the game and the amount/quality of the boothbabes in the booth)

Between this and letting the media in two hours it looks like they are finally making E3 a little easier to attend.

[Roc Ingersol]

Sex sells everything. It's the same thing at any b2b trade show.

They're still going to hire models to get people into the booths, and get the product out there. They're still going to be provocatively dressed, and have absolutely no knowledge of the product. Limiting them to hot pants and halter tops won't change a thing.

[Grimgrock]

I love the female form, however the exploitation of women so as to sell products is quite ridiculous, not to mention offensive, and is even more so in the case of videogames.

What exactly is offensive? Really? The "exploitation of the female form" is a very tried and true industry. It is used to sell clothes, sell makeup, sell movie tickets. None of this is offensive.

[sanitystream]

You will see more booth babes not less. This just defines the rules regarding the outfits big deal.


Uh, you sure about that? It clearly says: "Material, including live models... are prohibited on the Show floor, all common areas, and at any access points to the Show..."

[YoungAlCapone]

What exactly is offensive? Really? The "exploitation of the female form" is a very tried and true industry. It is used to sell clothes, sell makeup, sell movie tickets. None of this is offensive.

It is offensive because it is expoiltation, exploitation of people, and it is widely excepted as normal practice.

Plus, I said expoiltation of women, not the female form.

[Kelegacy]

As much as I love the ladies, Booth Babes are something I could do without. It's like having Mary Kate and Ashley endorse Viagra.

[AniAko]

I guess this means no Aeon Flux models. Oh what a catch 22. That's a little different than the car girls, and the WoW girls that would be there.

What if someone is producing a Kekko Kamen (http://www.animeondvd.com/reviews2/disc_reviews/3704.php) title? :eek:

[Grifter]

Uh, you sure about that? It clearly says: "Material, including live models... are prohibited on the Show floor, all common areas, and at any access points to the Show..."


Great!! Now Take Two has an excuse to use dead hookers in public GTA: Aftermath, Capcom should like that rule as well "What officer their just zombies..see that ones still moving" (pokes dead booth model with stick)

[Mozgus]

Now if only G4 would think the same way.

[AniAko]

It is offensive because it is expoiltation, exploitation of people, and it is widely excepted as normal practice.

You're absolutely right about it being widely accepted. But offensive? That varies person to person. The fact that QVC or the Home Shopping Network chooses to select slim, attractive, well dressed models to show off their jewlery isn't offensive, but exploitive none the less. In all fairness the product is best shown on a model as jewlery is worn.

In order to not fall under the same scrutiny, they would have to employ a range of people from Victoria's Seceret godesses to 700lbs mustached women in sundresses to prove they are not exploiting the model for the product's benefit

[Valkyrist]

To me, it seems to really highlight women's 'outsider' status in the industry. It is just impossible to feel like or be perceived as an equal when a good portion of the women at these events are in bikinis and are paid to be there.
When women stop accepting money for these types of jobs, ask that question again. Until then, how do you expect respect and equality when it's women who are up there prancing around in skimpy outfits.

This is great news. I can't speak for every girl who goes to game conventions, but booth babes have always made me feel really uncomfortable.
Yup, you don't speak for all women. Personally I never had a prob w/ it. But then again, I understand the roots of boothbabes are from anime' cosplaying in japan (and these days, in US conventions too). I'm not being completely insensitive to why you're uncomfortable, but I think you're pointing the finger in the wrong direction.

[Citizen Philip]

Sex sells everything. It's the same thing at any b2b trade show.

They're still going to hire models to get people into the booths, and get the product out there. They're still going to be provocatively dressed, and have absolutely no knowledge of the product. Limiting them to hot pants and halter tops won't change a thing.

Sure sex sells. So does heroin. Doesn't mean you should do it just because it works. I like dem nekkid women as much as the next person, but I don't need them when I am playing games: unless I bought a game that I expect to see nekkid women, in it.

Buy my game! Get free heroin!

[Atepsflame]

You will see more booth babes not less. This just defines the rules regarding the outfits big deal. E3 has stopped being about anything other than PR hype. The big dogz drown out innovation, creativity, and fun. The show itself is just about spin. For the first time in a long time I'm taking a pass on E3. I can get what I really need from here and 2 other web sites.

I really would like to go to one of the Indie shows this year any reccomends?

Dude. It's a trade show. What do you expect? For the companies to give us unbiased, completely objective looks at their products? You do realize that they're trying to sell us something, right? And come on, lets face it, sex sells and this industry knows it.

[jadkins555]

I'd love to see what IGN thinks of this. There goes half their E3 content!

[snubber]

What a bunch of prudes. I go to E3 every year and they will be sorely missed. I *like* the crazy carnival vibe of E3. In fact, I think there should be an open bar, t-shirt cannons everywhere, clowns on stilts, everything.

[Citizen Philip]

When women stop accepting money for these types of jobs, ask that question again. Until then, how do you expect respect and equality when it's women who are up there prancing around in skimpy outfits.


Yup, you don't speak for all women. Personally I never had a prob w/ it. But then again, I understand the roots of boothbabes are from anime' cosplaying in japan (and these days, in US conventions too). I'm not being completely insensitive to why you're uncomfortable, but I think you're pointing the finger in the wrong direction.

Are you some kind of mysogonist? I'ts very simple for an adult to say "Women scantily clad at a computer game convention do not contribute positively to the experience. No booth-babes would only help E3's reputation as a tradeshow."

Women wearing next to nothing did not have an origin in Japan, it's pretty universal. I woud like to think we can just put that gimmick on the shelf and let E3 be a tradeshow: that may or may not feature digital characters that make a boothbabe look reasonable.

[Mozgus]

I'd love to see what IGN thinks of this. There goes half their E3 content!
Exactly what I was thinking. That's not even an exageration you made.

[Roc Ingersol]

Sure sex sells. So does heroin. Doesn't mean you should do it just because it works. ...
Buy my game! Get free heroin!
If it was legal, and as cost effective as sex, I'm sure they would.

Should they? Philosophically no. They should let the product sell itself.

Realistically? They'd be fools not to. They have an obligation to make their shareholders as much money as possible, and the ROI on booth babes is very clear.

[fitbabits]

I'd love to see what IGN thinks of this. There goes half their E3 content!
Good point... Not to mention other, less trustworthy sites.

[Raven_payne]

It's makes since. I knew it would only be a matter of time before something like this happened. while at first I understood the idea of booth babes and it was kinda cool cause hey who doesn't like looking at fine women besides gay men, but later in the years it just got out of hand. It's one of the biggest factors in why E3 turned into a more mature meeting for gamers besides the content of games.

From some of the replys I've read on this thread the presents of the girls was even a little "uncomfortable" especially normal females that come to watch. I didn't really mind to much, but I can agree that what they felt was valid. I didn't hate the gales but it's good that they find a different place to show their assettes.

[EGO]

Posers, fakes, liars All!

Don't gimmie this bullshit that you don't like booth babes, don't like ogling women and don't surf for porn! You're all full of shit!

Where are the crowds always?

And.. E3?!? Never really "all about the games". There have been booth babes since before E3 existed (what?!?! There's a time before E3!??!).

Hypocrites.

[Inglorion]

I'm pleased to see it going and that so many here seemingly suppor it. I like a nice piece of ass as much as the next guy, but on a video game expo like this it's just cheap and tacky.

[unbongwah]

I'd be happier about this decision if I didn't see it as fallout from last year's Hot Coffee farce. If there's anything which irritates me more than the gratuitious sexuality overflowing the industry, it's the way the industry wilts from the least little public scrutiny.

Jeez, folks, if you're gonna pander, at least have the balls to do so honestly and openly. It's not as though the industry is suddenly gonna realize, "Hey, women are people too!" and start portraying them more favorably in games. No, they're just toning down this one media event to avoid further public censure until they think the coast is clear again...

:rolleyes:

[H.Bogard]

What exactly is offensive? Really? The "exploitation of the female form" is a very tried and true industry. It is used to sell clothes, sell makeup, sell movie tickets. None of this is offensive.

I find make-up offensive :p

It's like having Mary Kate and Ashley endorse Viagra.

I dont know why the heck i`m quoting you....just that the word BITCH came to my mind when i read those names...

[Returner]

I don't care about any booth babes but banning any games with partial nudity is bullshit. God of War had partial nudity so other games like that will be banned, great. Not that the dev has to have that at E3 but it's just seams to be a start of bad things to come.

[Cubfan]

I have no moral issues with companies using hot-lookin' broads to promote their product. These women are willing, they're paid, and I'm sure they have fun with it. Problem is, 'Booth Babes' also perpetuate the stereotype of geeky, girlfriendless gamers. Gamers can't get 'real' girls, so these 'models' are the perfect enticement, no? It's a cheesy tradition that makes gamers look bad.

[Citizen Philip]

If it was legal, and as cost effective as sex, I'm sure they would.

Should they? Philosophically no. They should let the product sell itself.

Realistically? They'd be fools not to. They have an obligation to make their shareholders as much money as possible, and the ROI on booth babes is very clear.

Has a booth babe ever been enough to make you purchase a shitty game after the fact?

"Gee.. that bitch was so goddam hot at that Sony E3 booth. I'm totally going
to buy the game she represents!

...

You! At the counter! Do you see this picture of me and this totally hot slut in the thong bikini and the plastic staff with the blinky lights? Get me the game she represents!"

[Drinking_Buddy]

Will someone please think about the whores?

The strip club industry is in the toilet, and now this.

How are they going to be able to pay for there breast implants and lesbian girlfriends, get real jobs?

[drakkarim]

i feel sorry for the aspiring accresses, now they'll be forced to start in amateur porn instead, yay!

[Valkyrist]

Are you some kind of mysogonist? I'ts very simple for an adult to say "Women scantily clad at a computer game convention do not contribute positively to the experience. No booth-babes would only help E3's reputation as a tradeshow."

Women wearing next to nothing did not have an origin in Japan, it's pretty universal. I woud like to think we can just put that gimmick on the shelf and let E3 be a tradeshow: that may or may not feature digital characters that make a boothbabe look reasonable.

1. You need to read.

The entire point of my post was saying that it's silly to yell at game dev's booths when the women themselves are willing to lower themselves to be paid for this type of work.

2. You need to read, again.

At no point did I condone or condem booth babes. I said they don't bother me. Instantly coming out and calling me a women hater does not present a mature or well-based argument.

3. You need to stay on topic.

I said the use and idea of booth babes comes from cosplaying. You're off running in your own little world, and somehow translated that into me saying "Women wearing next to nothing" as some kind of universal term.

Anyhow, I really don't care if they get rid of them. But Mirabelle and several others are playing booth babes out to be victims of some great conspiracy by the male gaming community.

In my view: The game devs just want to sell their product. The "babes" are wanting to sell their bodies. The former seems much less of an actual problem than the later. Ya it's sleezy that the devs would take advantage of that, but I'm trying to draw attention to where the real problem resides.

I do find it funny, however, that you would call me a mysogonist when I seem to be the only one mad at the women for degrading themselves. I'm all for equality, but the men aren't going to hand it out on a silver platter.

[Grifter]

First thing I don't need E3 TO "OOGLE" women so im fine with the lack of booth babes. On the other hand I have no problem with the cos play in some booths as long as the cosplayer's represent a lead character in the game and not "Themed" models. Of course none of this really matters considering I probably have a better chance of winning the lottery than I have of ever getting into E3.


I find make-up offensive :p
I find clothes offensive :D

It's like having Mary Kate and Ashley endorse Viagra.
I'll be their test subject :cool:

I'd love to see what IGN thinks of this. There goes half their E3 content!
Now if we can only figure out how to get rid of the other half E3 would be perfect.
Oh and anyone who can get in to E3 but won't be going to this one willing to help out a fellow gamer get into E3 let me know ;)

[Citizen Philip]

1. You need to read.

The entire point of my post was saying that it's silly to yell at game dev's booths when the women themselves are willing to lower themselves to be paid for this type of work.

...
I do find it funny, however, that you would call me a mysogonist when I seem to be the only one mad at the women for degrading themselves. I'm all for equality, but the men aren't going to hand it out on a silver platter.

Women wearing next to nothing, standing next to vendors/products trying to sell; A very old idea. I'm glad you've let me know that a grown man doesn't mind seeing young fit women wearing revealing clothes is something you don't mind: I would have never guessed. I like how you blame them for it too, that's like totally awesome.

The work is avaliable because it's considered acceptable. All your saying is: it's their fault for taking this job, I don't mind them being there, I don't mind if they're not there? They do it in Japan, so like, it's all good.

I'm saying: It shouldn't be acceptable, like not having bikini calendars, playboy screensavers and cutting out the newspaper swimsuit girl and posting it in your cubicle at work is not acceptable. It's a tradeshow for industry people to get together and do business. If boothbabes were never allowed, would it have ever hurt E3? Yeah, game magazines would have had to actually write about E3 instead of glossy pictures.

This is EvAv if you want a reasonable argument and well thought out dialogue you can take a number and read a magazine, maybe with chicks in bathing suits in it.

[gojira]

No boobies?

:( *cries*

[YoungAlCapone]

You're absolutely right about it being widely accepted. But offensive? That varies person to person. The fact that QVC or the Home Shopping Network chooses to select slim, attractive, well dressed models to show off their jewlery isn't offensive, but exploitive none the less. In all fairness the product is best shown on a model as jewlery is worn.

In order to not fall under the same scrutiny, they would have to employ a range of people from Victoria's Seceret godesses to 700lbs mustached women in sundresses to prove they are not exploiting the model for the product's benefit

Well. Let me rephrase this then.

However I am more than sure that I am not going out on a limb here to assume that you know what I meant.

It is not offensive to have an attractive girl on QVC wearing jewelery, but exploitative, as the hope is that the girl is attractive enough to garner your attention even if the product is not.

In lingerie adds it is even considerably less offensive, because even though they are using this woman's body to sell thier product, thier product goes on women's bodies.

However it becomes outright offensive when it is used with the sole purpose of being exploitative. Booth babes at videogame tradeshows, for the most part, are just themed to the game and just stand there and take pictures and look good. They have no place, instead they are just there to "oggle," to exploit.

[Valkyrist]

I like how you blame them for it too, that's like totally awesome.
No it is not awesome, so grow up. It's sad and pathetic. And so are you for joking about it. Sarcasim or not, women degrading themselves like this is a very real problem. So what? It's horrible that game devs use the "sex sells" method at a publicity-fest 'ala E3, but it's not an issue that girls are willing to dress up like this for money in the first place?

The work is avaliable because it's considered acceptable.
Well obviously that's not true. If it were universally acceptable we wouldn't be having this discussion.

All your saying is: it's their fault for taking this job, I don't mind them being there, I don't mind if they're not there? They do it in Japan, so like, it's all good.
I'm not even going to comment. Your inability to read a simple sentance without interjecting your own point of view into it, is simply staggering. I know better than to think I can change your opinion, but at the very least others reading this thread will see your inane posts and get a good laugh.

I do, however, enjoy the valley-girl accent you lovingly added to all the misquotes of me. Nice touch. And you have the nerve to call others mysogonist?! lol...

[diggable]

If I can't look at half nekkid girls so what am I suppose to do waiting in line for the next hyped up PS3 pre-rendered game?

look at that yellow pokemon suit guy prancing around?
talk to the next pimpled eyed geek beside me?
talk to the demo girl about the game she's showing?
pick my nose?

we need 'em booth babes!

[Jukey]

Imagine this: E3 being about entertainment, not naked women.
Imagine THIS: Naked women ARE a form of entertainment for some. :p

I'd like to see E3 actually enforce the age 18+ rule for EVERYONE. Every year I see kids aged 6-13 running around that place. Parents in the industry I guess? Sure, I'm not CEO of Electronic Arts but my kid would like to go too...

[StoneGut]

E3 06 is causing a stir already ... it's going to be a good year!

[AniAko]

Well. Let me rephrase this then.

However I am more than sure that I am not going out on a limb here to assume that you know what I meant.

It is not offensive to have an attractive girl on QVC wearing jewelery, but exploitative, as the hope is that the girl is attractive enough to garner your attention even if the product is not.

In lingerie adds it is even considerably less offensive, because even though they are using this woman's body to sell thier product, thier product goes on women's bodies.

However it becomes outright offensive when it is used with the sole purpose of being exploitative. Booth babes at videogame tradeshows, for the most part, are just themed to the game and just stand there and take pictures and look good. They have no place, instead they are just there to "oggle," to exploit.


Now you're absolutely right ;)

Actually Booth babes work their way into most trade shows, it's just the scantily clad booth babes that get the criticism (rightly so).

I used to work in an undisclosed industry where everyday consumers weren't the primary target, thus only other companies were present, almost closed off to the public. I remember seeing pictures of my company's booth at the trade show. There were demonstrations at our booth run by men and women alike, but I'll be damned if they didn't choose the better looking women from the company to take to the show over the more qualified ones. It's hard to eliminate it totally.

[Roc Ingersol]

Has a booth babe ever been enough to make you purchase a shitty game after the fact?
It's like any advertising. A hundred people might look at that booth babe and tune it out. It just has to be the deciding factor for a handful of people, to get them to notice the product. Compare a couple hundred bucks for a model and about $5 worth of fabric and dental floss to the cost of a giant projection screens, larger booth, creative staff or actual quality content. Hot broads are an awfully cost effective way to make people look at your sign, logo and/or product. Again, they're not there to sell you and me. But to get the purchasers from large corporations to notice their title. Those people generally know dick about games. It's much easier to get success just by catching their eye.

And if you're suggesting you've managed to ignore every logo or product theme someone's dressed booth babes into representing? You're a better man than I.

I can honestly say that the very mention of 'booth babe' conjures up images in my mind. Images that, in large part, include broads dressed to promote particular brands and franchises.

[EternalGamer]

What a bunch of prudes. I go to E3 every year and they will be sorely missed. I *like* the crazy carnival vibe of E3. In fact, I think there should be an open bar, t-shirt cannons everywhere, clowns on stilts, everything.


Actually, I like Snubber's idea for E3, but that's only basing on what I would find amusing, not what I think would be good for the industry. I don't think it would be all that productive to turn the industry's biggest event into Mardi Gras, even if it is already half way there. At the very least, if you want to implement your ideas we should drop the double standard and have companies hire a bunch of Chip n' Dale dancers to pole dance and make out with all the booth babes. The point is really to eliminate the misogyny that is so prevalent. There are certainly two ways to go about making it more "egalitarian," personally, I just think eliminating the booth babes is a better diretion than bring in guys in speedos to swing on trapeezes...

Dan

[ddbrown30]

Uh, you sure about that? It clearly says: "Material, including live models... are prohibited on the Show floor, all common areas, and at any access points to the Show..."

I like how you edited that to your purpose.The actual quote is:

"Material, including live models, conduct that is sexually explicit
and/or sexually provocative, including but not limited to nudity, partial nudity and bathing suit bottoms, are prohibited on the Show floor, all common areas, and at any access points to the Show."

The phrase "including live models" is separated by commas making it an aside to the sentence. Without it, the sentence would read "Material conduct that is sexually explicit..."

So, to simplify for you, that basically says anything sexually explicit is banned from the show floor.

[EternalGamer]

1. You need to read.

The entire point of my post was saying that it's silly to yell at game dev's booths when the women themselves are willing to lower themselves to be paid for this type of work.


Your right, clearly the women working as models are all there because they "naturally" desire to do that job. And clearly all the men are working as game developers, programmers and excutives only because they naturally desire to do that over modeling. It doesn't at ALL have anything to do with social conditioning and the opportunties that are made available to people. :rolleyes:

Dan

[ddbrown30]

Sure sex sells. So does heroin. Doesn't mean you should do it just because it works. I like dem nekkid women as much as the next person, but I don't need them when I am playing games: unless I bought a game that I expect to see nekkid women, in it.

Buy my game! Get free heroin!

What the fuck is wrong with you? Heroin sells? How can you even compare those in a rational manner? I don't even know where to start in ripping apart your arguement.

[EternalGamer]

I like how you edited that to your purpose.The actual quote is:

"Material, including live models, conduct that is sexually explicit
and/or sexually provocative, including but not limited to nudity, partial nudity and bathing suit bottoms, are prohibited on the Show floor, all common areas, and at any access points to the Show."

The phrase "including live models" is separated by commas making it an aside to the sentence. Without it, the sentence would read "Material conduct that is sexually explicit..."

So, to simplify for you, that basically says anything sexually explicit is banned from the show floor.

Sorry, but you're wrong in this instance. The subject of the sentence, "Material," is followed by a double appositive (once of which also has its own appostive embeded in it). This essentially equates two things to the subject "material": "live models" and "conduct that is sexually explicit and/or sexually provocative." Notice how the verb is pluralized. It is referrring to these two appositives.

No live models period.

Dan

Ps. What a horribly ugly sentence, though...

PPS. Actually looking at that sentence again, I'm not sure what the hell it is saying. It is not clear where the appositives are. It makes no sense for "Materials" to be the subject of the appositives since surely they would never say "Materials are not allowed." This is just a poor sentence all around. Somebody needs to revisit Composition 101.

[TheKeck]

What the fuck is wrong with you? Heroin sells? How can you even compare those in a rational manner? I don't even know where to start in ripping apart your arguement.

Hey, I'd rather have my kid doing heroine than wasting his life away with your filthy video games. (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/01/10/parent-prefers-kid-dabbling-in-coke-over-playing-video-games)

[dr_wily]

there is neocon puritanism painted all over this place!

my response:

hooray for boobies! liberate the boobies!

[Citizen Philip]

No it is not awesome, so grow up. It's sad and pathetic. And so are you for joking about it. Sarcasim or not, women degrading themselves like this is a very real problem. So what? It's horrible that game devs use the "sex sells" method at a publicity-fest 'ala E3, but it's not an issue that girls are willing to dress up like this for money in the first place?


Well obviously that's not true. If it were universally acceptable we wouldn't be having this discussion.


Thanks for totally missing the point! There are people, men and women who are employed by displaying their body. This is called modelling. Public opinion varies on its value. Currently at a semi-public event known at E3, a tradeshow, models are used as props for various displays: almost exclusively women, but ocassionaly with male models as well.

If you want to talk about modelling in society, I am absolutely thrilled with your activism: get the hell off this forum and crusade for a social issue that definitely needs as much support as possible. However, I am talking about unessecary modelling at a tradeshow: where the models are simply there to attract oogling nerds and has virtually no impact on the actual "business" that is occuring.

So by all means get mad at those dirty hoes jiggling and giggling, it's absolutely disgusting that you are getting off on them and they are being paid to make you react to them! It's totally their fault!

[AniAko]

What a bunch of prudes. I go to E3 every year and they will be sorely missed. I *like* the crazy carnival vibe of E3. In fact, I think there should be an open bar, t-shirt cannons everywhere, clowns on stilts, everything.
It's like having Mary Kate and Ashley endorse Viagra.
Now now, I'll sue you for stealing your ideas from InevitableWinter Wonderland :D. Although my theme park would be interested in "sponsoring" E3 :p

I find clothes offensive :D
InevitableWinter Wonderland has half-off specials on days named after nordic gods.....

[The Great Gatsby]

Now only if we can kill the huge amount of people getting in just because they cashier at an EB and fake all their friends in, then maybe E3 can be as awesome as it used to be instead of the a huge hall full of damned fan boys.

[ddbrown30]

Thanks for totally missing the point! There are people, men and women who are employed by displaying their body. This is called modelling. Public opinion varies on its value. Currently at a semi-public event known at E3, a tradeshow, models are used as props for various displays: almost exclusively women, but ocassionaly with male models as well.

If you want to talk about modelling in society, I am absolutely thrilled with your activism: get the hell off this forum and crusade for a social issue that definitely needs as much support as possible. However, I am talking about unessecary modelling at a tradeshow: where the models are simply there to attract oogling nerds and has virtually no impact on the actual "business" that is occuring.

So by all means get mad at those dirty hoes jiggling and giggling, it's absolutely disgusting that you are getting off on them and they are being paid to make you react to them! It's totally their fault!

It is their "fault". Moreso, it's their choice to use their bodies it a sexually provocative manner. It's also my choice to look at them and "get off" as you so eliquently put it.

I'm sure that without even asking I can make the assumption that you would never take a job as a booth babe if you had the opportunity. That's because your oppinion is that it is disgusting and degrading. The women in these situations feel otherwise.

You can rail men all you want. It's natural biology that we're going to want to look at good looking women. That will never change.

You can rail women all you want. Women have been using sex to get what they want for a lot longer than E3 has been around. That will never change.

I absolutely disagree that it is in any way degrading to women to willingly make themselves into a sexual object. Free will is what makes us human.

However, on the same note, I do believe that those in charge of E3 have the choice to run it however they want. I have no problem with them removing the sexual aspect from E3.

I do have a problem with poeple shoving their moral beliefs down my throat.

[Citizen Philip]

It's like any advertising. A hundred people might look at that booth babe and tune it out. It just has to be the deciding factor for a handful of people, to get them to notice the product. Compare a couple hundred bucks for a model and about $5 worth of fabric and dental floss to the cost of a giant projection screens, larger booth, creative staff or actual quality content. Hot broads are an awfully cost effective way to make people look at your sign, logo and/or product. Again, they're not there to sell you and me. But to get the purchasers from large corporations to notice their title. Those people generally know dick about games. It's much easier to get success just by catching their eye.

And if you're suggesting you've managed to ignore every logo or product theme someone's dressed booth babes into representing? You're a better man than I.

I can honestly say that the very mention of 'booth babe' conjures up images in my mind. Images that, in large part, include broads dressed to promote particular brands and franchises.

My shtick is: it's a tradeshow. They aren't selling anything. The boobs are there to make you look, but when it comes time to purchase months down the line that particular pair of boobs has blended into all the other boobs you've seen in the mean time. Really, it's just a momentary thrill for the casual viewer and doesn't really help or hinder any "real" business that occurs.

Helping you to decide to "buy" a game won't be decided by the boothbabe you saw 2 months prior: the boothbabe might give you a moment of sad reflection as the model you saw isn't nearly as stacked as her computer game counter-part displayed on the game box, but that's it.

However! If the boothbabe was at a store and dressed demurely, and if I bought the game she would strip down to her bikini... well that's something else entirely. And I'm not saying it's not entirely good either.

[ddbrown30]

PPS. Actually looking at that sentence again, I'm not sure what the hell it is saying. It is not clear where the appositives are. It makes no sense for "Materials" to be the subject of the appositives since surely they would never say "Materials are not allowed." This is just a poor sentence all around. Somebody needs to revisit Composition 101.

I would have to agree. There's no way that they're saying models aren't allowed on the floor. That would just be bizarre and it would be almost impossible to determine what a model is.

[EternalGamer]

So what you're trying to argue is that the sentence actually says that models, regardless of how sexually explicit they are, are prohibited from the floor?

Because it absolutely does not say that.


I give up on trying to figure out what it is saying. The sentence is missing a conjuction which makes its meaning highly ambigious.

If it read as follows:

"Material, including live models and conduct that is sexually explicit
and/or sexually provocative, including but not limited to nudity, partial nudity and bathing suit bottoms, are prohibited on the Show floor, all common areas, and at any access points to the Show."

Then it would be clear that both "live models" and "conduct..." are appositives to "Material." It would still be clumsily worded, but at least its meaning would be clear: that neither live models nor other sexually provocative conduct were allowed.

As it currently reads, I have have absolutely no idea what it is saying. The only thing it is saying clearly in its current state is "I suck at writing clearly."

Dan

[Citizen Philip]

However, on the same note, I do believe that those in charge of E3 have the choice to run it however they want. I have no problem with them removing the sexual aspect from E3.

I do have a problem with poeple shoving their moral beliefs down my throat.

I don't think there is a good reason for them at a tradeshow. I have no problem with women and men modeling: I give it about the same value as a person who can run real fast, hit a ball with a stick, kick a ball with his foot or throw themselves at another person. Somtimes it strikes my fancy, but mostly it doesn't do anything for me.

I don't like people getting mad at people who model because they like it.

[YoungAlCapone]

I think that this free-will arguement has always been interesting, because there are so many factors.

Should people have the right to pursue the life that pleases them most in all cases? I would say yes, with the obvious exception of infringing on others right to do the same.

So women who have made the conscience decision to use there bodies and sexuality as a means of accruing capital should be allowed to do such under this reasoning.

However, are we totally going to ignore the fact that we are socialized to behave in a certain way in various societies. In many cases this socialization gives women the impression that using thier sexuality is often a very viable means to an end.

I feel that if as a society we value freedom, then we must allow people to make unconventional lifestyle choices, even if they do not mesh with our particular morality. However, in order to make these choices belong to the individual, the individual must be told the truth and given the education to really make an informed decision. Rather than socialized to believe things that are not always true.

[ddbrown30]

I don't think there is a good reason for them at a tradeshow. I have no problem with women and men modeling: I give it about the same value as a person who can run real fast, hit a ball with a stick, kick a ball with his foot or throw themselves at another person. Somtimes it strikes my fancy, but mostly it doesn't do anything for me.

I don't like people getting mad at people who model because they like it.

I'm not getting mad at them. As my whole arguement states, I'm supporting free will and freedom of speech.

I'm trying to tell you that you shouldn't be mad at men for "degrading" them when they are there because, as you just said, they like it.

[YoungAlCapone]

I'm not getting mad at them. As my whole arguement states, I'm supporting free will and freedom of speech.

I'm trying to tell you that you shouldn't be mad at men for "degrading" them when they are there because, as you just said, they like it.

I somehow doubt they like the degrading aspect of it all, even if they enjoy showing off the way that they look.

[ddbrown30]

I somehow doubt they like the degrading aspect of it all, even if they enjoy showing off the way that they look.

The point is that they don't feel it's degrading.

If they did, they wouldn't be doing it.

It's the reason that people who regard it as degrading would never find themselves in that position willingly.

[YoungAlCapone]

The point is that they don't feel it's degrading.

If they did, they wouldn't be doing it.

It's the reason that people who regard it as degrading would never find themselves in that position willingly.

Ok, yes I agree for the most part.

However I think that some, not all, of these women are just beautiful women trying to make some money because it is needed to survive. They do feel degraded when men are just oogling, even though they put themselves in that position.

I'm not trying to be vindictive or get a rise out of you, I'm just sharing my thoughts.

[AniAko]

So to sum this thread up....

To boobie, or not to boobie?

This thread is proof the marketing geniuses at work at these companies. They undress the women enough to make young men excited enough to approach their booth. Exposure is priceless for companies. Yet there isn't a plethora of naked women re-enacting Rumble Roses every 15 minutes at every booth, to piss off those disgusted by the objectification of women.

Is there anyone here willing to give up a ticket to E3 because they might run into a booth babe? Is there anyone here willing to give up a ticked to E3 because there wouldn't be any booth babes? The companies found the middle ground. Your personal feelings won't affect their agenda.

[ddbrown30]

Ok, yes I agree for the most part.

However I think that some, not all, of these women are just beautiful women trying to make some money because it is needed to survive. They do feel degraded when men are just oogling, even though they put themselves in that position.

I'm not trying to be vindictive or get a rise out of you, I'm just sharing my thoughts.

I would definitely agree with you there. Some of the women likely going to be there cause they really need the money. I wouldn't consider that to be willingly though.

For them, I do feel that it is unfortunate. At the same time, I don't think that the world should stop all form of sexual expression in order to prevent that situation.

After all these rants, I would like to note that I actually don't care one way or another if booth babes are there or not. I go to E3 for the games... well, and the swag ;) The reason I'm so active in this thread is because I'm strongly opposed to calling any willing choice of anyone to be called degrading to that person.

[YoungAlCapone]

I would definitely agree with you there. Some of the women likely going to be there cause they really need the money. I wouldn't consider that to be willingly though.


Yes, good point and well made.

I would actually love to go to E3, being one of the many who has not yet been chosen by the E3 deities as worthy.

I do care, obviously, about the booth babes. Since I feel that in the vast majority of cases it is outright exploitation. If they have Heather Graham at the Everquest 2 booth dressed up as her character, I am obviously not going to be offended and cause a scene.

In the end though, looking away from the whole ordeal of sexual exploitation in general, the convention is infact about the games, or should be, and taking the focus away from that is not productive. Especially when people are exploited in the process.

[XenonCJ]

About frickin' time!Quick question: Are you a woman or gay?

[fitbabits]

Quick question: Are you a woman or gay?
Neither, not that either should have any relevance. Mind explaining why you felt the need to ask?

[YoungAlCapone]

Quick question: Are you a woman or gay?

That is a terrible attitude. Many straight men think that respecting women is a good thing.

I have lost much of the dwindling respect I had for you.

[Paranoia]

Quick question: Are you a woman or gay?

Quick question: Are you dumb or dumber?

[didragondi]

Does anyone know anything about actual games they are showing there this year? Will Dragon Age be there? How about Fallout 3? Will PS 3 or Revolution be playable? Will Halo 3 be there? I just want good games. I would not care if any booth babes are there or not; especially since I cannot go.

[Dracula-X]

Booth babes don't bother me, I don't care if they get banned, I don't care if they don't. I don't think it affects the overall show negatively. They aren't slaves forced against their will to model at the show, they get paid, and probably well at that. That's fine with me.

What is a major problem for me is that at least a third of the attendees don't even belong at the E3, and it gets worse every year. Mindless teens and other assorted morons that have fuck all to do with the industry get in and manage to piss me off in one fashion or another. The verification system is weak, and no doubt intentionally so. Passes are sold on Ebay - this is major bullshit too. Under 18's should be banned outright to start with.

[Gil]

Many straight men think that respecting women is a good thing.

You kind of make it sound like you can't respect women but also like E3 models, though. Because it possible.

[Zanzibar]

I think we're missing the point here. E3 is about showing the game to retailers so that the retailers will BUY THE GAMES to sell at their stores. Name any sales convention where sex did not help sell.

[XenonCJ]

Neither, not that either should have any relevance. Mind explaining why you felt the need to ask?
That is a terrible attitude. Many straight men think that respecting women is a good thing.

I have lost much of the dwindling respect I had for you.
Quick question: Are you dumb or dumber?I ask because of the "excited" tone of your comment.

"About Frickin' Time!!!"

Call me crazy or call me what you will, but it just seems very alien to me when a supposed "straight man" gets excited about NOT seeing beautiful women.

[XxSATANxX]

Uh, you sure about that? It clearly says: "Material, including live models... are prohibited on the Show floor, all common areas, and at any access points to the Show..."

I have the exhibitor handbook in hand. BOOTH BABES ARE ALLOWED but must
not be dressed in a slutty manner. As I said before you'll see more not less this E3. The penalty is 5000 dollars. Be looking for folks to pay the fine and make hey out of it on game web sites.

[Sl1pstream]

Quick question: Are you dumb or dumber?

Dumberer!

I actually like this.
This would mean that the retards who make one of the two games shows on tv over here, will have a big problem this year, as half of their show is about boothbabes and the other half about being a total idiot and making the belgian gamingpress look bad.

[TheKeck]

I have the exhibitor handbook in hand. BOOTH BABES ARE ALLOWED but must
not be dressed in a slutty manner. As I said before you'll see more not less this E3. The penalty is 5000 dollars. Be looking for folks to pay the fine and make hey out of it on game web sites.

Well, on top of the 5000, it seemed to say that violating parties would have to leave the show floor until made "decent". That is, you don't just get to have your booth babes for 5 grand.

Edit: Here's (http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/nid/2141/) my source for that statement.

[Vaginasaurus]

Sorry, but booth babes will not be wearing anymore clothes than they have in previous years. Gamecloud (http://www.gamecloud.com/article.php?article_id=3162) received a response from the E3 show director and she has this to say:

The E3Expo dress code policy is not new for 2006. In fact, it is the same as it has been for the past several years, and the vast majority of other major tradeshows have the same or similar policies. What's new in 2006 is an update of the enforcement policies, which simply allow show management to better enforce the long-standing dress code. E3Expo is first and foremost a business show, and policies such as this one help create an environment not only "where business gets fun", but where business gets done.

So, if it this has been in place for some time and there's no sign of the booth babes getting any more modest then I think it's safe to say that things at E3 remain the way they are for some time.

Booth babe fans rejoice!

[Megalith]

In other news:

E3 attendance drops 87%.

[DirtyChimp]

This is horrible news. How will we continue to objectify women?

[Nadreck]

Models have been employed for trade shows since trade shows began. They are not "based on cosplaying", and modeling is in no way degrading by nature; it is through perception and choice (or lack thereof) that the subjective matter of degradation is determined. (A porn star may not feel degraded by what she is doing, though someone else may see it and feel it was so.) There's a great story about this:

Prudish woman: Are you Monsieur Joyant?
Maurice Joyant: Yes, madame.
Prudish woman: You should be arrested. To hang such a thing on your wall! Look at this woman. She is undressing, with a man looking on! Disgusting!
Henri: Forgive me, madame, the lady is not undressing, she is dressing. The gentleman happens to be her husband. They are celebrating their twenty-seventh wedding anniversary. They are going to have dinner with their oldest son. He is a taxidermist. I am appalled that you should thus malign these good people. It goes to prove what I have always maintained, that evil exists only in the eye of the beholder. I will thank you to stop looking at my pictures.


As for the policy changes, the ESAs response (see an early post in this thread) pretty much sums it up: it's a policy CHANGE, not policy ADDITION. They have reserved the right to admonish their clients from day one. The language is intentionally vague, because as the policy states, it is at the discretion of E3 Staff. It's basically just a blanket statement to cover their asses if they feel compelled to act. I do not see why we are making a mountain out of this molehill.

[fitbabits]

I ask because of the "excited" tone of your comment.

"About Frickin' Time!!!"

Call me crazy or call me what you will, but it just seems very alien to me when a supposed "straight man" gets excited about NOT seeing beautiful women.
Dear Crazy,

'Booth babes' have dominated E3 (and other events) for long enough - let's get back to what's important, games.

I'm not about to defend my sexuality to you or anyone else, just like I'm not going to resort to calling you a slobbering beast, but I don't find the women at these trade shows beautiful at all (for the most part) - they're objectified and that does not turn me on.

Yours sincerely,
fitbabits

[AniAko]

Dear Crazy,

'Booth babes' have dominated E3 (and other events) for long enough - let's get back to what's important, games.

I'm not about to defend my sexuality to you or anyone else, just like I'm not going to resort to calling you a slobbering beast, but I don't find the women at these trade shows beautiful at all (for the most part) - they're objectified and that does not turn me on.

Yours sincerely,
fitbabits

So what you're trying to say is sex has nothing to do with videogames and vice versa?!?!?! :confused: Is it possible? I can do something as different as rent a porn OR a videogame? That fucking dude at Movie Gallery told me I had to rent both at the same time! He's in cahoots with the Booth babe company! :eek:

The Adult Entertainment Expo is held every January in Las Vegas and E3 in the summer. That way Booth babes have jobs all year round.... :rolleyes:

[jspeak32]

I love the female form, however the exploitation of women so as to sell products is quite ridiculous, not to mention offensive, and is even more so in the case of videogames.

This makes perfect sense and it is kinda funny that such a sanction should ever have to be placed in the first place.

Remember though, it's not like they're putting a gun to their head and forcing them to do what they do. It's the females themselves that choose to do what they do. If they want to exploit themselves, it's a free country. And I will simply have to respect their decision :)

[jspeak32]

Sure sex sells. So does heroin. Doesn't mean you should do it just because it works. I like dem nekkid women as much as the next person, but I don't need them when I am playing games: unless I bought a game that I expect to see nekkid women, in it.

Buy my game! Get free heroin!

Corporate america does alot more worse things than using sex to sell.

[DarkEternal]

Let's face it. E3 is a trade show where all the game publishers try to make their games look good for the media and other game outlets. It isn't meant to be for the fans, therefore, not meant to be for solely the games. Companies want magazines to write good reviews about their games, and if a hot girl holding the game sways them in any way, the companies are going to put her out there. Personally, what I want is a show where the rules are strict; only the games. A chance for game publishers to give the gaming public a chance to play the games.

[Tohoya]

I'm torn. OTOH, I think the expression of female sexuality is a good thing (now if only we could convince people that expressions of male sexuality isn't "gay"). OTOH, it certainly does give the show, and the industry as a whole, a bad reputation.

[YoungAlCapone]

*Excessively Long Post*

Remember though, it's not like they're putting a gun to their head and forcing them to do what they do. It's the females themselves that choose to do what they do. If they want to exploit themselves, it's a free country. And I will simply have to respect their decision :)

I think that this free-will arguement has always been interesting, because there are so many factors.

Should people have the right to pursue the life that pleases them most in all cases? I would say yes, with the obvious exception of infringing on others right to do the same.

So women who have made the conscience decision to use there bodies and sexuality as a means of accruing capital should be allowed to do such under this reasoning.

However, are we totally going to ignore the fact that we are socialized to behave in a certain way in various societies. In many cases this socialization gives women the impression that using thier sexuality is often a very viable means to an end.

I feel that if as a society we value freedom, then we must allow people to make unconventional lifestyle choices, even if they do not mesh with our particular morality. However, in order to make these choices belong to the individual, the individual must be told the truth and given the education to really make an informed decision. Rather than socialized to believe things that are not always true.


...
However I think that some, not all, of these women are just beautiful women trying to make some money because it is needed to survive. They do feel degraded when men are just oogling, even though they put themselves in that position.

Just wanted to get you up to speed, and later I agreed that they don't really put themselves in that position on thier own volition.

[XenonCJ]

Dear Crazy,

'Booth babes' have dominated E3 (and other events) for long enough - let's get back to what's important, games.

I'm not about to defend my sexuality to you or anyone else, just like I'm not going to resort to calling you a slobbering beast, but I don't find the women at these trade shows beautiful at all (for the most part) - they're objectified and that does not turn me on.

Yours sincerely,
fitbabitsMeh.. you are just boring dude... got'cha

[Murmillo]

Here is why they banned booth babes.
http://cerberus.gamershell.com/screenshots/8433/171263_full.jpg

And here are some links.
e3girls.com (http://www.e3girls.com/display.cfm?type=event&query=9)
I4U (http://photogallery.i4u.com/category.php?cat=13&num=21&expand=13)
gamershell .com 1 (http://www.gamershell.com/pc/e3_2005_booth_and_babes_part_2/screenshots.html)
gamershell .com 2 (http://www.gamershell.com/pc/e3_2005_babes_and_babes_part_3/screenshots.html)
manroom (http://e3.themanroom.com/boothbabes.php?sid=2)
gamecloud 1 (http://www.gamecloud.com/article.php?article_id=82)
gamecloud 2 (http://www.gamecloud.com/article.php?article_id=85)
gamecloud 3 (http://www.gamecloud.com/article.php?article_id=92)
fragland (http://www.fragland.net/gallery/e3babes2005?page=1)
lanmaniac (http://www.lanmaniac.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=55)
futurelook (http://www.futurelooks.com/photopost/showgallery.php/cat/557/page/1/perpage/12/what/allfields)
hammer (http://tth.tentonhammer.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album02&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&page=1)
techzone.com (http://www.thetechzone.com/photo/showgallery.php?cat=550)

[Thenetcase]

I've never gone to E3 because it would be putting myself in a situation that would compromise my relationship with my girlfriend (who would hate the show even if there were no half naked women there).
Now that they are cracking down and getting rid of the sexually discriminating aspects of the show, I might actually be able to go with-out stressing my girlfriend out and putting myself in an alkward position (heh heh.. he said position)...

I honestly think this is a good thing too... it makes the show more professional NOT to have the girls there.
I remember after the LAST E3 there were a bunch of people talking about how so many losers got in who had no real interest in what was going on... they were just gawking and walking around with hard ons. That's disturbing.

-TNC-

[mister_slim]

So that's why I compulsively buy ATi cards...

[KamaItachi]

Anyone remember the website (I think I actually saw it posted here) about the guy in the wheelchair who was sneaking upskirt photos of the girls while they posed for other pictures?

Damn that guy was lame.

Personally I'd rather if they were going to use sex to sell games they'd go the whole hog and have naked caramel sauce wrestling as a main floor show, the controls for games painted on the naked torsos of girls draped over the booths who will of course feed me grapes, and my controllers sopping wet from having been in some tarts foaming clunge after her "Rumble Feature" demonstration.

There will also be large men with shlongs that would choke an anaconda standing proud, waving their johnstons at passing FPS geeks crying in WWE-style voices "Boy, if you can own in this game, your penis will be as BIG AS MINE!"

[TrackZero]

I'm saying: It shouldn't be acceptable, like not having bikini calendars, playboy screensavers and cutting out the newspaper swimsuit girl and posting it in your cubicle at work is not acceptable.

It's not? Shit, time to redecorate the office.

[rein]

Here is why they banned booth babes.
http://cerberus.gamershell.com/screenshots/8433/171263_full.jpg

And here are some links.
e3girls.com (http://www.e3girls.com/display.cfm?type=event&query=9)
I4U (http://photogallery.i4u.com/category.php?cat=13&num=21&expand=13)
gamershell .com 1 (http://www.gamershell.com/pc/e3_2005_booth_and_babes_part_2/screenshots.html)
gamershell .com 2 (http://www.gamershell.com/pc/e3_2005_babes_and_babes_part_3/screenshots.html)
manroom (http://e3.themanroom.com/boothbabes.php?sid=2)
gamecloud 1 (http://www.gamecloud.com/article.php?article_id=82)
gamecloud 2 (http://www.gamecloud.com/article.php?article_id=85)
gamecloud 3 (http://www.gamecloud.com/article.php?article_id=92)
fragland (http://www.fragland.net/gallery/e3babes2005?page=1)
lanmaniac (http://www.lanmaniac.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=55)
futurelook (http://www.futurelooks.com/photopost/showgallery.php/cat/557/page/1/perpage/12/what/allfields)
hammer (http://tth.tentonhammer.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album02&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&page=1)
techzone.com (http://www.thetechzone.com/photo/showgallery.php?cat=550)

Other than she is a butter face what is wrong with that? Clothes are a little tight but really... ..I've seen worse in a mall on friday night.

[Subbacultcha]

Those leftist-pinko politically correct queers are going to rob us of women paid to pose semi-naked? What next, soon we'll be deprived of gladiator duels, chariot races, bear baiting and other such wholesome entertainment we've come to expect, nay, DEMAND at every industry convention.




I'm sorry, my sarcasm gland has been playing up.

[mister_slim]

Other than she is a butter face what is wrong with that? Clothes are a little tight but really... ..I've seen worse in a mall on friday night.
I know, and if you buy a couple of ATi cards she'll sleep with you. Really.

[Murmillo]

Its more like, don't buy ATI cards, and [s]he will sleep with you - and then tell all your friends. Really!

[Spigot]

I'd love to see what IGN thinks of this. There goes half their E3 content!
Too true... too true.

I won't mind if they do away with the booth babes and replace them with cute, nerdy geek-girls who actually know what they are talking about.

A PR flack for Company X who happens to be a cute female in nice clothing and can describe the featureset of Game Y would be much more enjoyable to watch or read about than seeing Trashy Vixen #49 looking bored and annoyed at having to have her picture taken in front of the same Game Y display.

But that's just me.

I get really annoyed when I am visiting the in-laws and try to watch G4 to see if there is actually anything of substance during E3 and end up watching a cheap approximation of a Girls Gone Wild: E3. You'd think that with all the pr0n on the net people wouldn't feel the need to see this at a game trade show.

[fitbabits]

Meh.. you are just boring dude... got'cha
Bastard! :D