EGM Grills Peter Moore on 360

[agentgray]

EGM (1up.com) has a very pointed interview (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=0&cId=3147131) with Microsoft's Peter Moore concerning the successes and failures of the Xbox 360. Of particular interest is the bait and switch the interviewers perform on Moore with backwards compatable games and his comments on micropayments.

EGM: Let's say you want to introduce something that will affect gameplay, like a new car or a new weapon, and you have an entire group of Xbox 360 gamers that don't have access to the Internet. How will they access this content and how will they play with the people who do have it? How will it be balanced?

PM: Well, that's all going to be determined by the depth of what we're doing. There may be an opportunity, as we did with Halo 2 as you recall, where the maps and levels are significant enough that we actually put them on a disc and sell them at retail. But I would [suspect] that the folks who are interested in that sort of thing...the great majority do have access to the Internet. But you know, if you're that interested in downloads like that, then it may be time to get a high-speed Internet connection in your home.
Thanks to Penny Arcade (http://www.penny-arcade.com) for today's link. Tycho hits the nail on the head stating that this is the kind of journalism that the video game industry needs. Today's comic is very apropos (http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20060120h.jpg).

Two things: It'll be good to see this hard hitting journalism very much akin as to how the political journalists go after politicians. Is it a new era like Tycho predicts? The other item: micropayments. Will Xbox Live fall into the trap like collectable card games. You don't really compete unless you buy more cards.

[Sion]

Peter Moore is awsome because of the Dream(best fucking system ever)cast!

[player66]

Peter Moore is just an overpaid talking head. I doubt these kind of interviews will have an impact on ***oft does business with the 360.

[King Drewsky]

Personally, I don't like this type of journalism. Yes, I agree that there needs to be more content / less fluff to gaming journalism but there is no need to agressively attack the interviewee.

And if reference to the EvAv posted question, how are people who don't have access to the internet going to be able to play with people who have downloaded new cars? They don't have fucking access to the internet! And if your buddy brings over his game save over to your machine and continually beats you with a bought car, you punch him in the arm and say, "stop fucking using that fucking broken car or I will kick you out of my damn house, you fucking freeloader! And stop eating my damn Cheetos, bitch!"

Dreamcast owns.

[Adam Blue]

These were hard-hitting questions, but not the right questions. It's almost like, how do you expect him to answer? We all know these answers.

[RichardTowler]

I thought that interview was shit to be honest with you, just seemed to be wanting to stir up pretty much like a tabliod news paper does eh.

[thecrazyd]

This is cool, but totally uninformative. All I learned is that Peter Moore is a greasy little fuck who is good at side stepping issues.

[EternalGamer]

I think the PA comic also humorously demonstrates a problem of jumping to the opposite extreme, which is occurs in this interview. It certainly is a hell of a lot better than what we normally get, but it is almost funny the way it is clearly in "attack dog" mode the entire time. I'm not sure that pure "anti-propoganda" is exactly raising the level of discussion...

Dan

[Sion]

K, just read it. EGM is just bitter about how Moore went after them for the reviews. Moore handled himself very well, and given the launch of the system and comparison of all the problems they brought up with other launches and issues related to other consoles the 360 is doing pretty well. EGM has always employed pub par journalists so this does not surprise me at all.

I enjoy it when people like Moore get tough questions. I love it, but this just reads like weak bitching with an aim to make moore look bad.

[Sion]

I also think it was a very stupid move of PA to applaud such a childish ploy from EGM. They lost some respect today.

[Genital Eclipse]

Seriously, can I just fucking get a 360?

[Bone]

I think the interview had balls but no brains. Might as well have asked him the old "So Peter... did you tell your mom that you're gay? Yes or no!" unanswerable question.

[Chimpbot]

K, just read it. EGM is just bitter about how Moore went after them for the reviews. Moore handled himself very well, and given the launch of the system and comparison of all the problems they brought up with other launches and issues related to other consoles the 360 is doing pretty well. EGM has always employed pub par journalists so this does not surprise me at all.

I enjoy it when people like Moore get tough questions. I love it, but this just reads like weak bitching with an aim to make moore look bad.


Moore did bring up the excellent point that their reviews of Kameo were, for the most part, shit; they spent more time talking about the development cycle of the game than they did the actual game itself. The scores they gave it had little to no correlation to the words they wrote...unless they were reviewing the development cycle of the game, for a strange change of pace.

The only useful tidbit I got out of the interview was just exactly which XBox games are "chosen" to be emulated on the 360. Hopefully the widespread publishing of this article online will help quell it idiotic ranting I've seen about that issue far too often.
I read this interview a couple weeks ago; it was in the magazine. Hopefully more people will read it and promptly stop complaining.

[Achilles]

I also think it was a very stupid move of PA to applaud such a childish ploy from EGM. They lost some respect today.I don’t think PA was applauding them. They compared the questions to the topics on a hardcore gamer forum, which isn’t a compliment.

[Dirty Harry]

I think the interview had balls but no brains. Might as well have asked him the old "So Peter... did you tell your mom that you're gay? Yes or no!" unanswerable question.
I dont think that applies, in ways yes in the way he presents the games to pm. Like the which games does he like better, its obvious man pm blew the question off. ive been reading egm for ages since i was a kid man like 9 years old and i dunno much <3 for egm.

[JediSanf]

I didn't see this as being an attack on Moore, given that I would've asked most of those questions and I don't hate the man. Many of his answers were fine (the emulation discussion in particular, I'd love to hear the details of that software) but his blatant brush-off of the noise and graphics issues by saying no one has complained makes him an asshat.

And I, for one, am glad that someone is finally calling Marketing's bluff. The 360 is an impressive piece of kit but we all knew that the "lurid dream" promise was bullshit.

[RMan]

Well, if I was doing the interview I’d have considered this a bad start...

“I just felt that a launch title of that magnitude that's come from [developer] Rare deserves a bit more in-depth of a review.”

Since he’s basically saying that the game is big, we’re big, and therefore we deserve special treatment. Without a doubt, MS and other big devs already get enough special treatment, expecting more than they’re already getting is just too egotistical.

[bapenguin]

My only gripe seems like the interview thinks Peter Moore owes him something. Otherwise it's good to see some hard questions asked.

[Kelegacy]

The Marketing department of every company is filled with slippery eels: that's what they get paid to be I enjoyed this interview if only because it had a dash of daring in it. Suddenly Shoe is asking something Moore would love to answer and the next he's starting to get aggressive. Moore HAS to handle himself fast because if he doesn't, he screws up the purpose of his job. He's a spin doctor. But I'm glad that there's at least one journalist out there that doesn't pander and give ridiculously easy questions to top brass--like Sean Hannity interviewing George Bush. While the interview probably wasn't as informative or dirt-digging as it could have been, and seemed to be at times aggressive soley to impress fans and grab attention to EGM, I still think it was oddly entertaining and against the "safe" grain, something I'm sure bapenguin's interview of Major Nelson won't be.

Good job, Dan.

[bapenguin]

This is cool, but totally uninformative. All I learned is that Peter Moore is a greasy little fuck who is good at side stepping issues.

Seriously the guy is in charge of an entire division. You think he's going to say anything but something positive? Managers excel at spinning bullshit to make it look good, that's how they got to where they are. Every company in any industry does this.

[thecrazyd]

Seriously the guy is in charge of an entire division. You think he's going to say anything but something positive? Managers excel at spinning bullshit to make it look good, that's how they got to where they are. Every company in any industry does this.
This does not change what I said at all. Dude's a weasel.

[Achilles]

Well, if I was doing the interview I’d have considered this a bad start...

“I just felt that a launch title of that magnitude that's come from [developer] Rare deserves a bit more in-depth of a review.”

Since he’s basically saying that the game is big, we’re big, and therefore we deserve special treatment. Without a doubt, MS and other big devs already get enough special treatment, expecting more than they’re already getting is just too egotistical.Well in a way I can see his frustration. We had a game which got the following review from a major game site: ‘I didn’t spend much time with it because I was too busy playing Mario Kart.’

Now talk about poor journalism, the review went on to say that he was extremely interested in Mario Kart so he’ll give the game a 6.0 or whatever and move on about his day. It also had random jabs in it that showed the guy clearly hadn’t played the game. We asked the site re-review the game and they did. I don’t think favoritism is what’s looked for, but the game should be reviewed on its merits, not on how long it spent in dev, or what other games distracted the reviewer from doing his job.

[bean19]

This is an excellent interview. Hard-hitting questions and really complete answers. There were moments where Mr. Moore used spin tactics or stonewalled (as you might suspect), but it did do a good job covering every gamer complaint about the system that I've seen. :)

[Banacek]

All this story proves is that Penny Arcade can still make me laugh out loud...

[Kefkataran]

You guys need to step back and think about the big picture for once. True: this isn't anywhere near the pedigree of what gaming journalism and interviews can be. But it's a goddamn step in the right direction. If I have to choose between unnecessarily hard-assed interviews and unnecessarily soft interviews, I'm going to choose hard-assed every time. I'd rather see him roughing up the guy even if he continues not giving us straight answers than being a suck-up.

[Grifter]

This whole interview is bullshit. I haven't read an issue of egm since the super nes and shit like this is why.

The only question worth a shit in the whole interview was about backwards compatibility and they even try to make that an attack. EGM are fanbois they always have been and always will be. every gen. they pick a winner right off and dog everyone else no matter what.

Those of you bitching about the noise can fuck right off we are talking about cooling a 3.2 gig triple core cpu in a box small enough to fit in your entertainment systems and look good so as not to ruin your delicate sensabilities. what the hell do you expect? If the PS3 is any quieter I will join JazGalaxy in eating that hat.

Graphics? WTF!! most of the games have better graphics than anything else out, yeah it sucks that EA and Activision chose to release some sub par conversions and that this launch like all others didn't have any games that completely floored us but this is also the first time we have seen multi-generational ports. Making the comment that the 360 has no graphical advantage over the xbox without an HD tv is just ignorant. We will see the same thing with the PS3 launch but some how egm will put some kind of positive spin on it.

What pisses me off the most is these deuche bags have the nerve to compare screenshots of a game that was released at the same time for the xbox and the 360 to Soulcalibur 1 which came out on the PS1 in the middle of it's life span and soulcalibur 2 which came out a few years later and was developed soley for the Dreamcast.

The review of Kameo was fucked up and I believe in bad taste but it is their opinion and Moore has no right to say anything.
If your gonna be a fanboi fine i really don't give a fuck just keep it out of the magizines unless that magazine is dedicated to that console soley and even then at least try to be adult about it.

Sorry for the rant that interveiw really just struck a nerve.
Yes I love my 360 and I will defend it if ifeel it needs defending but I would and will do the same for the PS3 and Revolution if they are so biasely and ignorantly attacked. I guess I just hate stupidity and that interview was pretty damn stupid.

[Adam Blue]

This is an excellent interview. Hard-hitting questions and really complete answers. There were moments where Mr. Moore used spin tactics or stonewalled (as you might suspect), but it did do a good job covering every gamer complaint about the system that I've seen. :)

Ok, I don't get it. None of these questions answered ANYTHING. These are complaints gamers have had, but are all a part of the new console cycle. The only aspect of the interview that made it worth reading was the structure of the questions...that aside, what the hell did any of this offer?

The idea of this interview offered something new for the future...but was executed poorly.

Any fucking kid from GameFaqs could have replaced Dan Hsu.

[Reanimated]

The intervew served it's intended purpose - to get people talking about EGM, whose subscriber count is in the shitter.

So what we really ended up with is a marketing tool interviewing a marketing tool for the purpose of marketing a magazine that needs subscribers.

Bravo, EGM. Bravo.

Luckily there are still great mags out there like GI that don't have to pull this kind of horse shit to get readers. They stake their success on securing previews of games like the new MoH. I don't know about you kids, but I'd much rather read about games in my gaming publications than sit and read an interview with someone who memorized his answers before showing up for the interview.

[Kefkataran]

Sounds like an overreaction. Judging by EGM's reaction to the 360 (SINCE I ACTUALLY READ IT CURRENTLY), they are far from being biased against the 360. In fact, like almost everyone I've talked to who owns a 360 and most the people around here, they love a lot of it, especially Xbox Live. Moreover, they were merely underwhelmed by the launch selection and the lack of improvement from last generation that was promised by Moore in various interviews before. All they're doing is calling the man out. They're not being "fanbois" at all.

I really don't understand all you guys flipping out for this. Even if it's intended as a marketing scheme to get more subscribers (which seems unlikely to say the least), how the fuck does it affect you negatively that he's asking tougher questions than a normal interview? What the fuck, guys? Do you not give one shit about accountability?

[RMan]

Well in a way I can see his frustration. We had a game which got the following review from a major game site.
Yea, I've seen and experienced similar injustices, and if he was asking for fair treatment, that’d be different. He’s asking that it be reviewed not on it’s merits, but on the size of the developer and the release. Not only that, I’m quite sure he’s not going to bitch when the latest Halo gets an extremely undue level of attention from reviewers. So it’s not balance and fairness he wants, it’s special treatment because they’re big. If I was a reviewer striving for journalistic integrity, that’d definitely rub me the wrong way.

[Kelegacy]

You guys need to step back and think about the big picture for once. True: this isn't anywhere near the pedigree of what gaming journalism and interviews can be. But it's a goddamn step in the right direction. If I have to choose between unnecessarily hard-assed interviews and unnecessarily soft interviews, I'm going to choose hard-assed every time. I'd rather see him roughing up the guy even if he continues not giving us straight answers than being a suck-up.
Isn't that what I just said you goddamn post recycler?

;)

[Nite_Moogle]

I gotta admit that their zinger on the backwards compatibility got a chuckle out of me.

[Kefkataran]

Isn't that what I just said you goddamn post recycler?

Heh, I actually didn't read all the replies. Just skimmed them and saw mostly bitching. Good for you, though!

[Mozgus]

It's about time an interview of this aggresive style was directed at a company besides Nintendo for once. We need more like this. It was actually worth reading.

[Grifter]

Heh, I actually didn't read all the replies. Just skimmed them and saw mostly bitching. Good for you, though!

Actualy, I think the only bitching was by me and the dude below me.

I have absolutely no problem with hard hitting questions if they have value and I am all for forcing spin doctors to tell the truth and keeping them on their toes but this interveiw did none of that. The thing read like one of these forums. If Microsoft did anything different than any other launch and really screwd over their customer base I could understand being this angry but bitching about a couple bad ports, Live not being accomidating for people without broadband and a few defective systems come on.

There is no law saying a system has to be backwards compatible
although it is nice I think the amount of trouble Microsoft is going through to give us what we want is comendable considering that if the 360 lacked BC other than the Halo's, it would make very little difference in sales at all and probably costs more to implament than it will ever make them.

[outontheporch]

360 sucks. SNES for life

[Rirath]

It's gotta be said, these comments would be exactly opposite if they were going after Sony / PS3. :) Insult Nintendo or MS, and you insult EA it seems.

The questions were actually interesting and worth reading for once, that's all I care about.

[Captain Awesome]

My problem is that things like video game journalism do exist.


Video games need less fat, and this industry has grown into such a lame one in general.

[The Radical Cleric]

I love Penny Arcade. :D

"How awesome is your game?"

"So awesome."

[ElectricMonk]

I didn't care for the interview at all. Ask good questions sure, but these are more like angry forum fanboi questions.

[laggerific]

Two things: It'll be good to see this hard hitting journalism very much akin as to how the political journalists go after politicians.

I think this would be accurate if you replaced journalists with bloggers. Journalists are too beholden to politicians(or their power) to ask hard hitting questions. For that matter so are many bloggers, but those sycophants are usually unabashed about exposing that side of themselves (while journalists try to distance themselves from the image of bias...usually by just yelling that they aren't biased, as opposed to actually be fair).

I'm all for tough questions, but making a big deal of people with downloadable content playing against those without access to that should have been a concern earlier than now, if it ever was. In fact, the question quoted hardly made any sense at first, and even after reading it with the understanding that people might be able to bring over their purchased content to use while playing against their friend who doesn't have access to it, I still feel like that really isn't that common. Even if it is...why is that MS' fault? Are you saying that they should put in a system that prevents it? Since you have to play locally to have that situation come up...why wouldn't you agree with you playing partner on rules? Maybe my brain is atrophying or something, but the question hardly made any sense.

[Sion]

If Peter Moore posted on the GameFaqs.com boards for a Q & A, this is what it would be like.

[vallor]

He’s asking that it be reviewed not on it’s merits, but on the size of the developer and the release.

Thats not what I read. Almost the opposite. The review they gave was a bunch of thrashing about the developer and the dev cycle and NOT the game. In the end of the day they rarely (heh) talked about the merits of the game at all.

What I got out of his comment is that a developer deserves to have it's games rated on the merit of their game, not the length or challenges encountered during the development of said game.

Kameo good, or Kameo bad, thats what I want to know from a review. What I don't want in a review, and what I believe PM was refering to is not the opinions on how much better the company was "back in the day" or how speculation on what might have been had it been released for either of the previously targeted platforms or had MS not aquired the studio.

Thats what they have editorial space for.

[Kefkataran]

I have absolutely no problem with hard hitting questions if they have value and I am all for forcing spin doctors to tell the truth and keeping them on their toes but this interveiw did none of that. The thing read like one of these forums. If Microsoft did anything different than any other launch and really screwd over their customer base I could understand being this angry but bitching about a couple bad ports, Live not being accomidating for people without broadband and a few defective systems come on.

You're reading into the interview more than is there because of your bias TOWARDS the 360 though. He isn't ANGRY in the interview. He's merely asking tough questions that really challenge Moore. Obviously this doesn't phase Moore much, but regardless.

Insult Nintendo or MS, and you insult EA it seems.

Indeed.

My problem is that things like video game journalism do exist

What the fuck does that even mean?

[player66]

It's one thing to be sarcastic and "hard-hitting," a TALENTED journalist would ask the questions that yeild the most suprising ANSWERS. The tone of the questions only yeilded snarky responses back from P. Moore. But EGM/1up.com should be complimented and praised for their efforts.

[Phades]

I read EGM's review of Kameo and it was just stupid. Moore was right to point that out. I don't really care that it took them forever to get the game out. Those kind of comments belong in a preview of the game merely as a point of interest. The review itself should consist solely of information on the actual game and whether or not it's any good.

[RMan]

Thats not what I read. Almost the opposite. The review they gave was a bunch of thrashing about the developer and the dev cycle and NOT the game.
Again, it's the part about it deserving better because it's a big game by a big developer (MS's developer). This was the first sentence, and the message was clear. Complaining about a crap review is not bad, especially when true, but the last thing I want to hear is MS saying it doesn't get enough special attention.

For instance, I do a good amount of business with my bank, and have likely a better than average relationship with them. Sometimes when I go in, a rep may ask me if I need something, and they may do this for me more than other customers. I may even expect this special treatment over time, but if I have to wait in line for a few minutes, I’m not going to announce to the bank, and all the other customers in line, that it’s unfair that I should wait in line behind other people that have less money than me, or suggest that my service should be any better than anyone elses. It’s just rude.

[Kefkataran]

It's one thing to be sarcastic and "hard-hitting," a TALENTED journalist would ask the questions that yeild the most suprising ANSWERS. The tone of the questions only yeilded snarky responses back from P. Moore. But EGM/1up.com should be complimented and praised for their efforts.

There's an opinion I whole-heartedly agree with. This is still miles away from what one would hope we could achieve, but it's an important start. And the only way we're ever going to get these marketing guys to start giving straight answers is if they realize they're honestly under the gun.

[falcon]

The BC stuff was fairly spot on but asking about a lawsuit that has already been thrown out was pretty idiotic and shows a lack of research on EGM's part (if it had been done before the suit was tossed then they should have at least read the lawsuit and realized that it was based on forum postings and would likely be tossed out).

Agression in an interview is fine (and it's sometimes needed to cut through the all the BS marketing) but at least make sure you do your homework before hand (and not just trolling questions from a message board)

[KarmaGhost]

"EGM Grills Peter Moore on 360."

Holy shit! The 360 really does have heat issues! :p

[Achilles]

Again, it's the part about it deserving better because it's a big game by a big developer (MS's developer). This was the first sentence, and the message was clear. Complaining about a crap review is not bad, especially when true, but the last thing I want to hear is MS saying it doesn't get enough special attention.Just to be clear what we’re talking about is this answer:I just felt that a launch title of that magnitude that's come from [developer] Rare deserves a bit more in-depth of a review. When you have a page divided by three people, a large paragraph each, it just didn't seem up to the quality of the reviews that I've begun to expect and enjoy from the magazine over the years that I've been reading it. And I've looked at some of the two- and three-page spreads for titles that I think are less worthy of the [space].
But, you know, I jokingly asked for a rereview. That's like asking for the referee to overturn a goal in soccer—most of the time it ain't going to happen. But I also felt that the focus [of the reviews] wasn't on the game, but on how long the game [took to get to] market. I just don't see the relevance of that.You’re right Rman, he started his argument like ‘our game’s big and you didn’t bother to give it the kind of review that a big game deserves.’ That’s a pretty crappy way to word his complaint. What he was basically saying is that there wasn’t any depth to the review, that it was the kind of review quality that one might to find for a GBA port of Boodrayne2 or something. Bloodrayne2 GBA doesn’t deserve to get the sloppy, poorly thought out review that it’ll probably get, but in a way that’s sort of what is expected.

He should have just come out and said his real problems with the review. But the problem when you get a public figure in a situation like this is that they have to try and avoid making any enemies, so they pretty much need to blur the issue or it’ll come down on them later much harder.

I dunno, I’d agree that his answer sucked, but his complaint in the second paragraph is legitimate.

[RMan]

I dunno, I’d agree that his answer sucked, but his complaint in the second paragraph is legitimate.
Yea, agreed, basically it's the difference between saying "no game should be treated like that" and saying "our game should not be treated like that". Both are technically correct, but the second sends an additional message that, especially from MS, is rude and egotistical.

[The Iron Weasel]

This does not change what I said at all. Dude's a weasel.

There is abosolutly nothing wrong with being a weasel!

[Coolnut]

The interview is nothing special, but I have a thought: 1UP is blatantly against the 360 - just look at their website. Will they give softballs to Sony's PR over the PS3 - or Nintendo's PR over the Revolution?

[Kefkataran]

There is abosolutly nothing wrong with being a weasel!

Ha!

1UP is blatantly against the 360 - just look at their website. Will they give softballs to Sony's PR over the PS3 - or Nintendo's PR over the Revolution?

I think the question lies more in what this specific interviewer would do, since it's him who's taking the "stand" so to speak, in the first place. Anyways, got any links that either prove or disprove your original thesis?

[31 Flavas]

Personally, I don't like this type of journalism. Yes, I agree that there needs to be more content / less fluff to gaming journalism but there is no need to agressively attack the interviewee.I dunno, if the interviewee, or company for that matter, has made sweeping statements like he has and the system or games don't live up to such statements after launch. Then I totally agree he/she/they should be questioned. The whole interview need not be attack after attack, but if they made lavish claims and do not deliver they should be questioned. If Microsoft or Sony do not want to be made fools of, or held accountable, then they shouldn't spew such bullshit.

[mister_slim]

The interview is nothing special, but I have a thought: 1UP is blatantly against the 360 - just look at their website. Will they give softballs to Sony's PR over the PS3 - or Nintendo's PR over the Revolution?
OPM actually interviewed J Allard and Kaz Hirai a couple of issues back. The Allard interview was good, especially considering it's a Playstation mag, and the Kaz Hirai interview asked some good questions, especially considering there's really not much PS3 info Sony is willing to give out at this point.

As an aside, I've been really impressed with OPM recently. First they did the J Allard interview, and last month they did a nice cover feature on Kojima, with a good interview, and he actually appeared on the cover.

[Coolnut]

I think the question lies more in what this specific interviewer would do, since it's him who's taking the "stand" so to speak, in the first place. Anyways, got any links that either prove or disprove your original thesis?

Well, the "future interviews" are just my hypothesis.

But look at 1up.com and all the corny features:

Declaring Peter Moore "clinically insane" (http://http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=3&cId=3146576) (OK, we knew he was a weasel. But clinically insane? Ouch.)

Saying that the 360 lineup automatically "fails to live up to the hype" (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145953)

Picking on the power brick (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3147078) (Why not pick on the PS3 resembling a grill?)

Calling the "Tard Pack" the biggest "WTF" of 2005 (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3146692&did=1) (It still plays the same exact 360 games... right? Right? Jack Thompson should be #1. Period.)

Saying that there are 20 reasons the 360 will fail in Japan - and telling that they have only 10 - and 10 reasons why it will succeed. (Old feature, can't find it on 1UP at the moment.)

Unfairly comparing the 360 to the Dreamcast (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154)

Attacking Kameo's development rather than praising or criticizing the game (http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=2005833&did=2)

It's all of the bad news and none of the good. At least on the surface. Toss the bad on the front and bury or diminish the good. That's how media bias forms.

But still, it's more of a "wait and see", IMO. At least until there is a physical PS3 to play with.

[Reanimated]

Well, the "future interviews" are just my hypothesis.

But look at 1up.com and all the corny features:

Declaring Peter Moore "clinically insane" (http://http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=3&cId=3146576) (OK, we knew he was a weasel. But clinically insane? Ouch.)

Saying that the 360 lineup automatically "fails to live up to the hype" (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145953)

Picking on the power brick (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3147078) (Why not pick on the PS3 resembling a grill?)

Calling the "Tard Pack" the biggest "WTF" of 2005 (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3146692&did=1) (It still plays the same exact 360 games... right? Right? Jack Thompson should be #1. Period.)

Saying that there are 20 reasons the 360 will fail in Japan - and telling that they have only 10 - and 10 reasons why it will succeed. (Old feature, can't find it on 1UP at the moment.)

Unfairly comparing the 360 to the Dreamcast (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154)

Attacking Kameo's development rather than praising or criticizing the game (http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=2005833&did=2)

It's all of the bad news and none of the good. At least on the surface. Toss the bad on the front and bury or diminish the good. That's how media bias forms.

But still, it's more of a "wait and see", IMO. At least until there is a physical PS3 to play with.



Owned.


And I don't know about 1up, but I saw an interview that Geoff Knightly (I think that's how you spell it) - the douche from G4 - that this guy did with Kaz Hirai and he was like LITERALLY teeing up questions for Kaz.

Here was one of the questions:

G4 fuckwit: So Microsoft is saying that the next generation is starting with Xbox 360, but you guys have a different view. Why don't you tell us a little bit about that?

Kaz: Oh yeah, next generation doesn't start until we say it does.



No shit. These are the kind of questions he got. It was almost as if Kaz was slipping him twenty dollar bills under the table after every question.

[Banacek]

No shit. These are the kind of questions he got. It was almost as if Kaz was slipping him twenty dollar bills under the table after every question.

The sad thing is that he got that without slipping the twenties...

[mister_slim]

And I don't know about 1up, but I saw an interview that Geoff Knightly (I think that's how you spell it) - the douche from G4 - that this guy did with Kaz Hirai and he was like LITERALLY teeing up questions for Kaz.

It's hard to tell from your spelling of his name, but isn't that the guy who writes a column for OXM? He's a better journalist than most.

[TrackZero]

Peter Moore is just an overpaid talking head. I doubt these kind of interviews will have an impact on ***oft does business with the 360.

And WHAT a talking head. Someone should make and sell Peter Moore bobbleheads.

[TrackZero]

It's hard to tell from your spelling of his name, but isn't that the guy who writes a column for OXM? He's a better journalist than most.

Geoff has done work on Electric Playground. I don't mind the guy, but I've got to agree he generally sets up the questions to read like a PR statements with every interview he does.

[mister_slim]

Geoff has done work on Electric Playground. I don't mind the guy, but I've got to agree he generally sets up the questions to read like a PR statements with every interview he does.
I've never seen any of his TV work but his writing is excellent. I'm just amused that Reanimated views him as some sort of Sony fanboy.

[JazGalaxy]

That was the most obnoxious review I have ever read in my life.

It wasn't honest or hard hitting, it was leading and opinionated.

Why show the Playstation vs. the Dreamcast in graphic differential? Why not show the N64 and Dreamcast, which is a more logical and accurate comparison?

WHy not show Playstation games like Tekken3, and Playstation 2 games like Tekken Tag Tournament, which look nearly identical?

EGM asks all these dumb questoins about where the innovation is for the 360, but why aren't they blaming themselves for doing things like allocating zero review space for original concepts like Kameo, and giving multipage spreads to games on their fifth identical iteration? Do they not think that that influences gamers to buy lame games? Do they not think that that causes developers to MAKE more lame games?

EGM is a joke and has been for years.

[Grifter]

You're reading into the interview more than is there because of your bias TOWARDS the 360 though. He isn't ANGRY in the interview. He's merely asking tough questions that really challenge Moore. Obviously this doesn't phase Moore much, but regardless.


First of all there is nothing biased about my reply, either towards the 360 or other wise. He is definately offensive towards moore and any one who cant see that is either biased themselves or doesn't speak english.

Those questions were definately hard hitting if by hard hitting you mean redundant and juvanile (mainly in the wording and tone) there are many ways any of those questions could have been asked without sounding like such a deuche yet having a much more serious impact. Asking him if he is afraid of the PS3 i mean come on it's obvious he is just bating him, of course if this question was asked six months from now fine but not now.

The whole backwards compatibility thing just ask the goddamn question, you dont have to play those stupid little games "what do you like better" sounds like somthing my old highschool girlfriend would do. If after asking the question you get a BS response come back to it later from this point of veiw.

Again the only thing hard hitting about this interview was it's incredible stupidity and lack of any usefull or new information, which will happen everytime no matter who is being interviewd when the interviewer automatically starts in attack mode.

[overdrivechao]

They still aren't asking the real questions:

Why are you marketing a system that isnt available?
and
Why did you release this thing so obviously before it was ready and made your most die hard fans pay for it?

[Reanimated]

Actually his name is Geoff Keighley.

And yes, he's the dude that writes the worthless articles that they stick on the absolute last page of OXM.

[Mason]

There's nothing to be gained by being an ass in your interview. The PR flaks will still just tow the company line (as Moore did here), they'll just be far less communicative with a hostile interviewer. Not to mention less likely to do interviews if they feel certain that they'll be ambushed.

Watch Scottie McClellan. A room of people asking pointed questions, and he's as informative as a Speak & Spell. Is that really what you want the game community to be like?

I've got nothing against more intelligent journalism, and interviews which aren't fluff pieces. But being a jerk is not the way to go about it. I mean, does Hsu actually get any new information? No, he made a fool of himself by getting huffy over things that everyone already knew, i.e. that backwards compatibility was being done based on technical merit and not popularity.

Enjoy the adolescent thrill of seeing people who work hard at their job of making entertainment products getting grilled. But please, remember that it is just entertainment, and it is just a job for them.

[Mason]

Kef, I know you're defending this interview on principle, but it really isn't necessary.

A tough interview consists of asking simple questions, but not letting the interviewee get away with unsatisfactory responses. Goofy setups and willful stupidity (i.e. pretending that launch 360 titles are the best looking the platform will ever see) aren't tough.

Hsu went into that interview and got tons of things wrong. That's indefensible.

By the way, his screenshot comparisons are horribly dishonest. Here we have Soul Blade vs Soul Caliber, games that were released 2 years and 7 months apart, compared to EA sports shovelware that was released simultaneously on both the XBox and 360. Ridiculous. We could make a list of XBox titles from 2003 to compare to their current or future 360 counterparts to demonstrate what a silly fallacy this is, but I imagine the exercise isn't necessary.

It'd shame a game journalist to behave with this arrogance and ignorance under any circumstances. Sony, MS, Nintendo, developers, it doesn't matter with whom you are dealing. Waving highly biased fabrications in their face and then telling them to explain it simply isn't journalism.

[MosBen]

Sorry I don't have time to catch up to everyone's posts, so disregard this if its been mentioned before, but the purpose of an interview is to get answers to the questions that readers either have on their minds or would have had if they'd thought about it. If an interview asks softball questions and gets market-speak replies it is just as successful as an interview that asks questions agressively and gets market-speak replies. The style is only important insofar as the results it produces, and I don't see very much that supports the view that this agressive questioning is much, if any, more valuable to me as a consumer than the soft ball questioning style.

There were some nice moments of candor, like his thoughts on the reviewing process for Kameo, but it didn't strike my that those answers were only possible to get to through the agressive questioning. So, between reading an interview with light questioning and agressive questioning, I simply have no preference if the outcome is the same. There's no moral victory in games journalism. Moreover, jumping all over an interviewee with no benefit to the reader just makes me think that this guy is a douche that should work for Fox News.

[Mason]

So, between reading an interview with light questioning and agressive questioning, I simply have no preference if the outcome is the same.
True, but on another level, if you're an industry big-wig and a journalist did some fanboy attack kung-fu on you during your last interview, do you think you'd go see him again, or send Bob from marketing to read from your latest press release in a flat monotone voice? It costs us all when lines of communication break down.
There's no moral victory in games journalism. Moreover, jumping all over an interviewee with no benefit to the reader just makes me think that this guy is a douche that should work for Fox News.
Solid.

[fushi]

(haven't read whole thread)
Hard-hitting journalism, huh? Well, I wasn't seeing it when I read that interview, unless you consider annoying Moore with the Kameo score "hard-hitting". Seriously, all you guys calling it like that should distance yourself from the hivemind you've captured yourself in, because this is like the 5th site that touts this interview as "hard-hitting".

Edit: and Geoff Keighley is excellent, although I've only read his articles on Gamespot.

[mister_slim]

Edit: and Geoff Keighley is excellent, although I've only read his articles on Gamespot.
*looks at fushi's title*

Sony money everywhere...

[fushi]

*looks at fushi's title*

Sony money everywhere...
I prefer calling it "the magic of capitalism."

But don't tell anyone else that I'm Sony's mindshare watchdog for the EvAv forums!

ps. Halo is overrated.

[Paranoia]

I wonder if EGM will even dare to asks that kind of questions when it comes to Sony? If not, then EGM can burn in hell.

[JazGalaxy]

I wonder if EGM will even dare to asks that kind of questions when it comes to Sony? If not, then EGM can burn in hell.

Of course not. Have you read that magazine? It's something of an otaku fanboy gaming magazine, now, and that is a section of gaming which will sell it's soul for PS2.

I say we hit up Hsu for a "hard hitting" interview on the state of video game magazines and videogame journalism. Why are they twice as much money, and half the size that they were half a decade ago? Why do they allocate such a ridiculously small amount of review space to a game and then fill it up with editorial crap, speculation, and perverted jokes?

[EL CABONG]

I also think it was a very stupid move of PA to applaud such a childish ploy from EGM. They lost some respect today.
I agree. plus I doubt Sony fanboy Shu will go after any of Sonys talking heads like he did moore. They take sony bs as fact why jump on *** and not sonys bs (which has plently like launching in March of 06) I have read EGM for years and the last year or so there has been alot stuff in it shiting on the 360 or if they do have anything on the 360 they do a big ps2 or ps3 piece in the same issue. It seems to me like they don't what to devote to many pages to the 360 without equal or more for sony. I don't think their just trying to be balanced either if the cover story is about the 360 then their always seems to be a buch of pages on sony if their where just trying to be balanced their would have been more Ninntendo stuff in those issuses.

[EL CABONG]

I wonder if EGM will even dare to asks that kind of questions when it comes to Sony? If not, then EGM can burn in hell. No they wont not nor will they for Ninntendo they are anti ***.

[JazGalaxy]

I agree. plus I doubt Sony fanboy Shu will go after any of Sonys talking heads like he did moore. They take sony bs as fact why jump on *** and not sonys bs (which has plently like launching in March of 06) I have read EGM for years and the last year or so there has been alot stuff in it shiting on the 360 or if they do have anything on the 360 they do a big ps2 or ps3 piece in the same issue. It seems to me like they don't what to devote to many pages to the 360 without equal or more for sony. I don't think their just trying to be balanced either if the cover story is about the 360 then their always seems to be a buch of pages on sony if their where just trying to be balanced their would have been more Ninntendo stuff in those issuses.

Yeah, like their, what, "10 Reasons NOT to buy a 360" article? I was like... "what the heck is this?" when I saw that. Is that hard hitting journalism? Becuase it seems like yellow journalism to me. Also I think they had a "Is the 360 the new Dreamcast?" article as well that was all about trying to get people not to buy it.

[Kefkataran]

Kef, I know you're defending this interview on principle, but it really isn't necessary.

A tough interview consists of asking simple questions, but not letting the interviewee get away with unsatisfactory responses. Goofy setups and willful stupidity (i.e. pretending that launch 360 titles are the best looking the platform will ever see) aren't tough.

Except most game interviews currently consist of asking simple questions that DO allow the interviewee to get away with silly, manufactured, unsatisfactory responses. Most interviews are ass-kissing. This isn't. I recognize that it also wasn't the most skillfully done or good at getting the right answers. But it's still closer to what I'd want from an interview than the terrible shit we normally get.

Yeah, like their, what, "10 Reasons NOT to buy a 360" article? I was like... "what the heck is this?" when I saw that. Is that hard hitting journalism? Becuase it seems like yellow journalism to me. Also I think they had a "Is the 360 the new Dreamcast?" article as well that was all about trying to get people not to buy it.

Er, maybe I'm not recalling correctly here, but didn't they have a "10 Reasons NOT to Buy an XBox 360" right next to their "10 Reasons To Buy an Xbox 360" list? Wasn't the point to help people decide whether they fit into the camp where buying an X360 would be good for them or the camp where it wouldn't? Wouldn't that make these articles decidedly consumer-friendly and not specifically X360-biased?

I really can't believe you guys. Even worse, most the people calling EGM/1Up Sony-biased and anti-Microsoft are the same people who think anyone who calls the EvAv community out on its Microsoft bias is crazy.

[Chimpbot]

I really can't believe they called the "core" 360 the 'Tard Pack. It just...baffles me.

I mean, that's the option I went with...and the only extra peripheral I bought was the hard drive. I did that because I actually wanted to get a 360 in a timely manner. Plus, I don't consider wireless controllers to be a necessity like they seem to.

It just seems rather ignorant of them to say that. I've lost a surprisingly large amount of respect for them because of that.

[Mason]

Except most game interviews currently consist of asking simple questions that DO allow the interviewee to get away with silly, manufactured, unsatisfactory responses. Most interviews are ass-kissing. This isn't. I recognize that it also wasn't the most skillfully done or good at getting the right answers. But it's still closer to what I'd want from an interview than the terrible shit we normally get.
He made up some very dumb misrepresentations to attack Moore. That simply isn't journalism. It isn't a matter of lacking skill or effectiveness, Hsu's questions would make even a top-of-the-line bullshit detector explode.

Here's what you're missing. You can bring up truthful questions in a polite or assholish way. You can bring up deceptive questions in a polite or assholish way. You want to defend Hsu for being an asshole, that's fine. But the thing that's most problematic is that his points lacked factual basis. His image-quality-between-generations comparison was ridiculous.
I really can't believe you guys. Even worse, most the people calling EGM/1Up Sony-biased and anti-Microsoft are the same people who think anyone who calls the EvAv community out on its Microsoft bias is crazy.
Replace Moore with a Sony representative and I'd be equally annoyed.

When the PS3 comes out and EA ports some PS2 sports titles over to it, if anyone points to those and says that the PS3 is a piece of garbage, it'll be just as false as what Hsu did in this interview.

Sometimes when you see bias everywhere, you have to start wondering if just maybe the facts are biased. Like, Hsu was dead wrong on his contentious points and nobody's being an MS apologist for pointing that out.

And if you actually read the article, Hsu is pretty much a pansy on most of his questions. He lets Moore's discussion of the heat issue go without comment or follow-up, when I sure as hell would've had a few more questions. The whole third page is a laundry list of softball questions. Hsu's only two "gotchas" were the false image quality comparison and the backwards compatibility deal, where Hsu was less informed than the average EvAv reader.

Not worth reading, much less defending.

[EL CABONG]

[QUOTE=Chimpbot]I really can't believe they called the "core" 360 the 'Tard Pack. It just...baffles me.

I mean, that's the option I went with...and the only extra peripheral I bought was the hard drive. I did that because I actually wanted to get a 360 in a timely manner. Plus, I don't consider wireless controllers to be a necessity like they seem to.

It just seems rather ignorant of them to say that. I've lost a surprisingly large amount of respect for them because of that.[/QUOTE
I got the one with the harddrive. I have wireless controllers but they are not that big a deal to me.
I also don't think someone is a tard for buying the cheaper one. Maybe thats all a store had. Some people are also not Richie Rich I could afford the delux model and a bunch of games mosltly do to the fact that I traded in a ton of stuff at eb that I had collected over a number of years. If $100 bones is a big chunk of your paycheck ,so you get the cheaper model does that mean you are a retard for not makeing more money?

[Kelegacy]

Except most game interviews currently consist of asking simple questions that DO allow the interviewee to get away with silly, manufactured, unsatisfactory responses. Most interviews are ass-kissing. This isn't. I recognize that it also wasn't the most skillfully done or good at getting the right answers. But it's still closer to what I'd want from an interview than the terrible shit we normally get.



Er, maybe I'm not recalling correctly here, but didn't they have a "10 Reasons NOT to Buy an XBox 360" right next to their "10 Reasons To Buy an Xbox 360" list? Wasn't the point to help people decide whether they fit into the camp where buying an X360 would be good for them or the camp where it wouldn't? Wouldn't that make these articles decidedly consumer-friendly and not specifically X360-biased?

I really can't believe you guys. Even worse, most the people calling EGM/1Up Sony-biased and anti-Microsoft are the same people who think anyone who calls the EvAv community out on its Microsoft bias is crazy.

I'd love to see more journalists start asking the hard-hitting questions and cutting through the crap that professional spinners like to weave. One guy I love to see conduct interviews is Jon Stewart, though he has his fair share of t-ball questions, too. His interview with John Kerry was pretty tame, but that's because Jon (and I) wanted Kerry to win. It's not perfect journalistic integrity, but most of the time Stewart makes me smile--and sometimes squirm when he's really asking some good questions.

Like I said before, I enjoyed the interview only because I enjoy the sorts of things that make people a bit hot under the collar. If I were Peter Moore I would have been furious at being flanked like that, but when you are in the PR world you have to be ready for anything. Moore handled himself fine, but he also ducked and dodged like any pro would; I was hoping for a few landed blows, but Moore seemed to be like my old girlfriend in bed: aloof.

Another reason I liked this interview is because many of today's sit-downs are incredibly vanilla and dull, almost infomercial-like. Hsu may not have acted with the most integrity, but I don't think he should be attacked outright either. The 360 is billed as a next-gen machine, and Hsu hasn't seen much that truly demonstrates this yet. He acted according to his own frustrations, perhaps, but emotion is something I like to see in journalists at times.

Either way, I enjoyed the interview. But I also enjoyed Jerry Springer every day when I got home from high school, so maybe I'm just easily entertained. :)

[Kelegacy]

[QUOTE=Chimpbot]I really can't believe they called the "core" 360 the 'Tard Pack. It just...baffles me.

I mean, that's the option I went with...and the only extra peripheral I bought was the hard drive. I did that because I actually wanted to get a 360 in a timely manner. Plus, I don't consider wireless controllers to be a necessity like they seem to.

It just seems rather ignorant of them to say that. I've lost a surprisingly large amount of respect for them because of that.[/QUOTE
I got the one with the harddrive. I have wireless controllers but they are not that big a deal to me.
I also don't think someone is a tard for buying the cheaper one. Maybe thats all a store had. Some people are also not Richie Rich I could afford the delux model and a bunch of games mosltly do to the fact that I traded in a ton of stuff at eb that I had collected over a number of years. If $100 bones is a big chunk of your paycheck ,so you get the cheaper model does that mean you are a retard for not makeing more money?

What will you do for a memory card? 40 bucks is ridiculous, and you are better off in the long run to just get the Premium. So you end up spending 340 bucks or 400 bucks with a wireless controller and a hard drive. The Premium is the real system, and is actually cheaper in the long run.

[JazGalaxy]

...but if Hsu was a journalist of any credibillity, he would already KNOW that the things he complains about... lack of next gen visuals blowing his pants off... are a "problem" on EVERY new console. The beloved PS2 had the same failings, only more so.

Then what he's complaining about becomes less of an XBox issue and more of an industry accepted practice, and suddenly his "questions" become simply "whining".

"Waaah! My new xbox game doesn't look any better than my Xbox 1 game!" Did Tekken Tag Tournamet look that much better than Tekken 3? Did Cybersled look that much better than Star Fox?

I don't think they did.

[dragntyr]

I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about how kameo wasn't graded on its merits, obviously none of you actually read the review. Yeah, they do mention the game took about five years to make, and when you think about it that's fucking important. A game that was in developement for that long should be shit fucking tight. Instead what we got was a sloppy and somewhat outdated (graphics aside) piece of shit. If any of you actually read the reviews (or weren't so full of shit), you would fucking know that is exactly what EGM's review stated. In conclusion it was reviewed by its merits, so STFU fuckheads.

[MosBen]

You know, when you express yourself like that I'm all the more likely to consider your points. By all means, continue to conduct yourself in that manner. It's very becoming.

[EL CABONG]

I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about how kameo wasn't graded on its merits, obviously none of you actually read the review. Yeah, they do mention the game took about five years to make, and when you think about it that's fucking important. A game that was in developement for that long should be shit fucking tight. Instead what we got was a sloppy and somewhat outdated (graphics aside) piece of shit. If any of you actually read the reviews (or weren't so full of shit), you would fucking know that is exactly what EGM's review stated. In conclusion it was reviewed by its merits, so STFU fuckheads.
Shu? is that you? If so go back to the Sonyfanboy fourms.

[JazGalaxy]

I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about how kameo wasn't graded on its merits, obviously none of you actually read the review. Yeah, they do mention the game took about five years to make, and when you think about it that's fucking important. A game that was in developement for that long should be shit fucking tight. Instead what we got was a sloppy and somewhat outdated (graphics aside) piece of shit. If any of you actually read the reviews (or weren't so full of shit), you would fucking know that is exactly what EGM's review stated. In conclusion it was reviewed by its merits, so STFU fuckheads.

That's utter nonsense. Games should be judged on the merits of the game itself and nothing else. Not who made it. Not how long it took to make. Not where it was made. Not how much it cost to make it.

If it's fun, it should get a high score.

If it's lame it should get a low score.

Anything else has nothing to do with reccomending an experiance to the reader, and suddenly becomes videogame politics which, given the inherent social irrelevence of videogames, is, again, just kind of creepy.

[dragntyr]

Ok, I admit my last post was a bit nonsensical, due in no small part to my rage at some of the bitching. Nonetheless I stand by what I said. The game is outdated and ill concieved. Given the fact that it took five years to make just makes it that much more worse.
As for being a Sony fanboy or Hsu, I hate Sony with every ounce of my soul (every Sony product I've bought has broken down within 3 years, in a couple of cases within the month) and if you notice I live in Mesa, AZ whereas Hsu lives the Bay area, at least that's where I assume he lives becuase that is where EGM is based.

[EL CABONG]

That's utter nonsense. Games should be judged on the merits of the game itself and nothing else. Not who made it. Not how long it took to make. Not where it was made. Not how much it cost to make it.

If it's fun, it should get a high score.

If it's lame it should get a low score.

Anything else has nothing to do with reccomending an experiance to the reader, and suddenly becomes videogame politics which, given the inherent social irrelevence of videogames, is, again, just kind of creepy.

Right on. do u care how long a movie took to make or a tv show, I don't nor do I care how much it cost to make. I care if its anygood or not more than anything else.

[TrackZero]

Not worth reading, much less defending.

Mason, you pretty much nailed my feelings on the head for this article (yes, all the points, I just cut them out for space above). The only amusement I got out of reading this was imaging Peter having to keep from calling Hsu a dick throughout the interview.

[Kefkataran]

Replace Moore with a Sony representative and I'd be equally annoyed.

I wasn't really referring to you.

Not worth reading, much less defending.

I disagree. *shrug*

Shu? is that you? If so go back to the Sonyfanboy fourms.

Oh geez. Get over yourself.

Anything else has nothing to do with reccomending an experiance to the reader, and suddenly becomes videogame politics which, given the inherent social irrelevence of videogames, is, again, just kind of creepy.

WARNING: I am not defending the review in question as I haven't looked it over. That said, your criteria for reviewing a game (albeit points I mostly agree with) are not universal. Some people might review games based on different reasons. That's just how it is.

[blackzc]

Personally, I don't like this type of journalism. Yes, I agree that there needs to be more content / less fluff to gaming journalism but there is no need to agressively attack the interviewee.


Dreamcast owns.


yup its just games, not like peter moore is a high ranking politcian or somthing. Why make shit so negitive about toys? :o

To some people this is like a bunch of morons fighthing about why the 20th anniversary transformers were made out of low grade plastic when high grade is blatanly the best choice for durability. WHO GIVES A SHYTE!!

[overdrivechao]

I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about how kameo wasn't graded on its merits, obviously none of you actually read the review. Yeah, they do mention the game took about five years to make, and when you think about it that's fucking important. A game that was in developement for that long should be shit fucking tight. Instead what we got was a sloppy and somewhat outdated (graphics aside) piece of shit. If any of you actually read the reviews (or weren't so full of shit), you would fucking know that is exactly what EGM's review stated. In conclusion it was reviewed by its merits, so STFU fuckheads.

And it trades in for $15.00 now. Ouchies.

[Evil Avatar]

My only gripe seems like the interview thinks Peter Moore owes him something. Otherwise it's good to see some hard questions asked.

I think it was a good question, but in some ways I personally didn't see any real "hard hitting questions". Look at the question about Backward Compatability, Moore sez,

"Have I heard a single negative word since launch about backwards compatibility? No."

Jeezus Christ! I've been bagging on Backwards Compatability since Day 1, I've even specifically taken our Microsoft Rep to task over it and I've been hounding Activision about why they aren't hounding Microsoft to get some of the last few ATVI titles released on the Xbox up on that list. And Penny Arcade (Which is obviously a much larger site than EvAv.com) has mentioned Backwards Compatability several times in both articles and cartoons.

To say that you haven't heard a single negative word since launch about backwards compatability seems like an outright lie and any good interviewer should have jumped all over a statement like that and chewed Moore up and shit him out.

While it wasn't a bad interview, it really still doesn't come close to some of the better investigative journalism you might see in other media.

[bobbler]

The only questions that I found reasonable were the BC questions. The current BC is a joke (granted, they prepared us for it, somewhat)... but seeing games that are on the list not work very well is sort of lame.

Otherwise, the questions were kind of stupid. The tone of them seemed fine, and it was a nice change to see them in pursuit of answers rather than just leading them on. I think Moore handled it pretty well, even if he is a douche bag.

[dr_wily]

i personally liked the lead in to the backwards compatibility question.. that was total socrates.

[Kefkataran]

i personally liked the lead in to the backwards compatibility question.. that was total socrates.

Holy crap! You just reminded me of why I find all the disagreement with me in this thread so strangely familiar -- this is almost exactly the same as the conversations that went on in my Political theory course last semester when we read Plato! Now in no way am I comparing an EGM writer to friggin' Socrates, but that's eerie. Surprised I didn't notice that until you mentioned it.

[dr_wily]

Holy crap! You just reminded me of why I find all the disagreement with me in this thread so strangely familiar -- this is almost exactly the same as the conversations that went on in my Political theory course last semester when we read Plato! Now in no way am I comparing an EGM writer to friggin' Socrates, but that's eerie. Surprised I didn't notice that until you mentioned it.

i try to offset my stupidity with ..
umm..
unstupidity sometimes :P

viva la gadfly!