Unofficial MGS Forum Shut Down After 'False' Suicide Story

[fitbabits]

Next Generation (http://www.next-gen.biz) has the story (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2084&Itemid=2):

Unofficial games forum metalgearsolid.org has reportedly been shut down following allegations that a member used the online community to stage his own suicide.

..... (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2084&Itemid=2)

Group members say all this is untrue, and has placed them, unfairly, at the centre of the story. Administrator 'Ryan K', told website Gaming Horizon, "Our organization is being smeared. Truthfully, we are all saddened over this loss and offer our sincerest condolences towards his family. We do not, however, appreciate having our reputation slammed across the internet by news organizations that have clearly failed in their journalistic duties. We would greatly appreciate it if they would solve this matter."
I'm speechless.

[Taco]

That's pretty lame. Any legal options for them I wonder?

[bean19]

Really lame. Fucking emo teens (http://joshdefined.ytmnd.com/). This kid I linked (not the MGS one) actually did kill himself and posted this (http://www.myspacide.ytmnd.com/) on myspace right before doing so. The myspace site is still up though I don't know if you can read his stuff (I wasn't interested enough to subscribe). . . but the responses (http://www.myspace.com/jloveb) are hilarious too.

[LilEvilFish]

False accusations and detrimental (spelling) to their character, I'd say that's a pretty good case for legal matters

[Taco]

I'm no lawyer, wasn't sure what kind of protections the media gets or if the server host could be held responsible for anything.

[dotbomb]

This kid I linked (not the MGS one) actually did kill himself and posted this on myspace right before doing so.

Brutal. That's where I grew up. Nothing hilarious about suicide. Innocent websites (MGS) should not come under fire when someone chooses to take their own life though. That other page linked though is in poor taste.

[Morratut]

A lot of messed up kids on the web by the looks of those links.

I don't know what to think to be honest.

[fitbabits]

A lot of messed up kids on the web by the looks of those links.

I don't know what to think to be honest.
I'm in the same boat as you. There really isn't much that can be said without knowing all the facts, and sadly the only person who knows is no longer with us.

[PacerDawn]

This is confusing. The title says it was a "false" suicide story and says it was "staged", but then seems to indicate that this person really did commit suicide? Which is true?

[Taco]

He did commit suicide. The false part is the media reporting that the forum pretty much egged him on and convinced him too and broadcasted his suicide over a web cam..

[fitbabits]

This is confusing. The title says it was a "false" suicide story and says it was "staged", but then seems to indicate that this person really did commit suicide? Which is true?
The person in question did kill himself. The confusion can be solved by reading all of the linked article.

However, members of the forum say the tragic death of 'Kuja105' was misreported by the media. Some time in the past week or so, Kuja105 ended his own life. He'd previously communicated his plan to other members of the group, who had variously tried to talk him out of it, either on the phone or via the forum.

However, stories appeared in the media suggested [sic] that the suicide had been broadcast on the forum via a webcam; that Kuja105 had 'rambled' online for six hours and that other members of the group had met up and visited his home.

[Savok]

The media making up shit as it goes along, I'm shocked, SHOCKED.

This is the state of journalism people, weep for your civilization.

EDIT: Oh and expect another Law and Order about the evils of the Internet based on this.

[Drinking_Buddy]

Really lame. Fucking emo teens (http://joshdefined.ytmnd.com/). This kid I linked (not the MGS one) actually did kill himself and posted this (http://www.myspacide.ytmnd.com/) on myspace right before doing so. The myspace site is still up though I don't know if you can read his stuff (I wasn't interested enough to subscribe). . . but the responses (http://www.myspace.com/jloveb) are hilarious too.

God damn this emo culture that glorifies depression and suicide. Kids today need music like Led Zeppelin more then ever.

Hell when I was in High School and my first girlfriend broke up with, I got sad like anybody else. But I didn't mop around and think of killing myself. I got the led out and realized that I was better off without her.

[fitbabits]

God damn this emo culture that glorifies depression and suicide. Kids today need music like Led Zeppelin more then ever.
With the possible exception of Stairway to Heaven!

[Taco]

So what's the Emo deal. Did Goth graduate to Emo, do they co-exist, anyone write a thesis on this topic?

[fitbabits]

So what's the Emo deal. Did Goth graduate to Emo, do they co-exist, anyone write a thesis on this topic?
Who the hell knows! I'm too fucking old to care anyways.

[earthworm48]

I think they might still need StH, with the parts towards the end such as the solo.

Hmmm, I never really cared about the whole goth emo business. Is it like goths don't care atall and emo kids care too much?

[YoungAlCapone]

Everybody has thier own story, what drives a person to take thier own life is beyond most of us.

However, that kid who sent that my space thing to his ex was just plain cruel. Had he really cared for her he never would have done that to her, no matter what horrible things she may have done to him. She is going to feel responsible for his suicide for the rest of her life.

When you are young you go through girlfriends/boyfriends, that is just the way it works before you know what you like. You just date anybody that you find attractive enough to date.

A couple of years ago I had a friend who I had only known for a couple of months commit suicide, over a girl leaving him. He never told anyone, wasn't emo in the slightest, was always very polite and kind and seemed to be in high spirits pretty much constantly.

[YoungAlCapone]

Hmmm, I never really cared about the whole goth emo business. Is it like goths don't care at all and emo kids care too much?
That is not a bad assessment.

When you listen to punk a lot of emo kids seem to think that they can somehow relate to you, like punks and emo kids are one in the same, so I have to deal with them alot. I find that they are just overly emotional. Dramatic; they thrive on others feeling sorry for them.

They listen to the same bands renamed a thousand times, project like they are one with punks, and then the entire fucking planet has a million misconceptions of what punk rock is. Punk rock, for those that really love it, is a state of mind realized through music. It is really being yourself, wearing tight black pants and spiking your hair/combing it so you cannot see is not punk, it is fashion, and damn near a uniform at that.

Punks are passionate, not apathetic.

Fuck fashion punks, Im looking right the fuck at you Casualties.

Fuck Emo, Im looking right the fuck at you My Chemical Romance and the thousand fucking bands that sound just like you, being depressed just for the sake of being depressed.

Those of us that are interested in progressing this artform do not welcome you.

[Kefkataran]

Really lame. Fucking emo teens. This kid I linked (not the MGS one) actually did kill himself and posted this on myspace right before doing so. The myspace site is still up though I don't know if you can read his stuff (I wasn't interested enough to subscribe). . . but the responses are hilarious too.

Dude, that's not even close to fucking amusing or anything to get angry about or anything like that. It's tragic. There's nothing else to it. Are emo kids self-obsessed twits who often don't realize there's more to the world than their lives? Yes. Does that make it any less tragic or horrifying when they take that life away? Fuck no. That's a sick way to go about thinking of things.

And for everyone else discussing emo as a music-form, there are plenty of good 'emo' bands who are interested in 'progressing this artform'. Emo has developed far beyond simple 'whine-rock'. The people who bitch about emo constantly 9 time out of 10 have never actually listened to any beyond the meager selection present on mainstream radio, which I think we can all agree sucks anyways. There's a good emo subculture and a weak one. The fact that the weak one exists and thrives much stronger than the good one really sucks, but this ridiculous demonization of all things considered 'emo' is silly and misinformed.

[Com_Gaunt]

What is Emo you might ask!
Check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo_%28music%29

[YoungAlCapone]

Emo was hijacked, there was a scene that was killed about 5-6 years ago called Emo that is so incredibly different from what we identify as Emo today. Bands like Alkaline Trio had a place there, now there is no place for them so they settle into a scene and stop being creative.

It was creative and different, it wasn't punk rock but was definetly similar. It belonged to a family of music, much of which does not sound similar to the rest but all had a common goal: creating music to express yourself.

Pigeon holling Emo is different now, because many of the creative bands that sing emotionally charged music consider being classified as Emo a lease on the life of thier band. Fans of what was originally concieved as Emo shun the word now because of what it is associated with.

To be fair though, like the one in a million decent Pop artists, there are bands out there who are creative and do the whole emo thing proudly. To those bands, my sincerest apolpogies about what happened to the music you loved.

Finally, to make light of a persons death, weather it be suicide or otherwise is outright cowardice. Do not talk maliciously about the dead, let them have thier peace now if never.

[Drinking_Buddy]

I think they might still need StH, with the parts towards the end such as the solo.



You start them off with Stairway to Heaven, then you slowly progress into songs like Heartbreaker, Black Dog and Moby Dick (Drum solos anyone?)

Led Zeppelin can be deady to the musically neglected. I've got a 30 minute long verson of Dazed and Confused that could easly kill most emo kids.

[Taco]

Who would of thought there would be so much passion and thought dedicated to a high school clique.

[Zurik]

Really, let's let music define who we are.

[YoungAlCapone]

Really, let's let music define who we are.

Really, instead lets share our thoughts, values and stories through music with those who understand.

[Salesmunn]

He did commit suicide. The false part is the media reporting that the forum pretty much egged him on and convinced him too and broadcasted his suicide over a web cam..

Oh. I misunderstood the meaning of this as well. Too bad the forum moderators didn't kill the suicide posting. That's what moderators are for.

Or maybe they could have called the cops, so he could've gotten the help he needs, instead of people just visiting his house and talking on the phone.

[bean19]

So what's the Emo deal. Did Goth graduate to Emo, do they co-exist, anyone write a thesis on this topic?

goth and emo are similar, but a little different I guess.

goth = all about dark imagery, sadness, etc. Romantic suffering (i.e. the crucifiction, suffering for love, etc.).

emo = a derogatory term to describe overly emotional crap. . . like teen poetry, goth music, etc.

[Taco]

I'm not sure it's derogatory, the first time I heard of it was from some kids bragging about how they were emo.

[Ultima Thulian]

God damn this emo culture that glorifies depression and suicide. Kids today need music like Led Zeppelin more then ever.

Hell when I was in High School and my first girlfriend broke up with, I got sad like anybody else. But I didn't mop around and think of killing myself. I got the led out and realized that I was better off without her.

What you (and Bean19) have said is akward, and perhaps even uncalled for. But hell, you're all right. I can't give you a hard time. It's also good to know that some still appreciate the sounds of Led Zepplin, greatest fucking rock 'n roll band ever. Anybody who disagrees, I suggest watching some footage of them live (or try out their "How the West Was Won" CD). If Bonham's Moby Dick drum solo or Jimmy Page's violin bow guitar solo doesn't do it for you, then you're souless.

Back to the topic on hand however, this 'emo' culture is ridiculous. Hell it's not even a culture, but a fad; a fad fueled with popculture pigshit (I'm looking at you MTV, you semen sucking little assclowns!) telling you what is popular and "cool". Why is it today's teenagers can't handle things? Hell, suicide is sad (if not a little pathetic, hell, just being honest), and it is always crappy when someone takes his/her own life, especially when they're young. But everyone has hurdles in their life, but the strong jump over 'em. Now, I understand that some have it rougher than others, but most of these 'emo' kids are just spoiled little shitcocks that still suck on mommy's titty yet can't help but bitch and moan about their parents (parents are part of problem too because it seems many have difficulty dealing with problems and don't raise their children to be strong enough to face life's realities, hell just sit them in front of a Nintendo and they'll learn what they need to at school, fuck my responsibility).

Let me say this; I'm not trying to get sympathy or anything out of any of you, but I want to use myself as an example to make a point. In about one year's time my grandmother and spiritual mentor died, my step-granddad and good friend died, my parents divorced, etc. Did I want to kill myself, or even think about it? HELL NO! That is pussified. What do I have to complain about? I got food on the table, a house (on wheels, but what the hell?) to go to, a bed to sleep, games to play, friends to talk to, Led Zepplin to listen to, dammit I got it made! I have to appreciate life and take advantage of it in the hopes that maybe somebodies else's life is better for it. Killing myself would be an insult to those who actually do have it rough, yet survive, and to humanity in general. These 'emo' kids don't (well most of 'em) have it rough, they need to get some Johnson's No More Tears Shampoo and quit being pussies.

As for the legal action, it seems the site has sufficient evidence, so as long as they can deal with the media's multi-million dollar lawyers from hell, they'll be fine! The media slandering and ruining someone's life, imagine that. Now if you'll escuse me, I'm gonna listen to some Zepplin.

[Pnorcio]

It's too fucking hard to know what emo is now. I'm categorized as "emo" because of the music I listen to, but I don't see myself being emo. I'm totally normal to myself. :D

I'm also the biggest kid in my krew, at 6'2. Still being in high school, I can tell you there is a slight difference in emo and scene.

Emo is the I'm sad, alone, but not wanting to kill myself crowd. It's the, I listen to an extreme amount of sad music, and cry...alone.

Scene is the insane crowd that wears girl pants, make-up, just kinda.."X-treme". It's like emo on X.

[Kefkataran]

I'm not sure it's derogatory, the first time I heard of it was from some kids bragging about how they were emo.

It's only derogotary by the people who use it in that way.

Hell it's not even a culture, but a fad; a fad fueled with popculture pigshit (I'm looking at you MTV, you semen sucking little assclowns!) telling you what is popular and "cool". Why is it today's teenagers can't handle things?

It's had a moment in the sun with MTV and the radio, but that's basically all used up already. There was an emo subculture before then and there will be afterwards.

Now, I understand that some have it rougher than others, but most of these 'emo' kids are just spoiled little shitcocks that still suck on mommy's titty yet can't help but bitch and moan about their parents (parents are part of problem too because it seems many have difficulty dealing with problems and don't raise their children to be strong enough to face life's realities, hell just sit them in front of a Nintendo and they'll learn what they need to at school, fuck my responsibility).

I agree that the suicide and self-mutilation is uncalled for and unfortunate. The rest of what you said, though, is not only a vast generalization, but an extremely offensive vast generalization.

Did I want to kill myself, or even think about it? HELL NO! That is pussified.

Calling them pussies. That's going to help. Mmm.

I have to appreciate life and take advantage of it in the hopes that maybe somebodies else's life is better for it. Killing myself would be an insult to those who actually do have it rough, yet survive, and to humanity in general. These 'emo' kids don't (well most of 'em) have it rough, they need to get some Johnson's No More Tears Shampoo and quit being pussies.

You're not Maddox. Give it up and quit with the stupid mass-generalizations. It's dumb.

[01010]

Everyone should just listen to Clutch. The finest rock band that ever will be.

www.pro-rock.com

[Pnorcio]

Damnit Kef. You said EXACTLY what I was thinking. I'm just no good at teh engrish.

[mister_slim]

Once they figured out how to turn Grunge into a marketing ploy it was all over.
You start them off with Stairway to Heaven, then you slowly progress into songs like Heartbreaker, Black Dog and Moby Dick (Drum solos anyone?)

Led Zeppelin can be deady to the musically neglected. I've got a 30 minute long verson of Dazed and Confused that could easly kill most emo kids.
Does Baby I'm Gonna Leave You count as emo?

[Wayfarer]

Everyone should just listen to Clutch. The finest rock band that ever will be.

www.pro-rock.com

This thread could use more Clutch

[jwbxx]

No guys you got it all wrong. It wasnt because he was emo or anything like that. The real reason he committed suicide was because the mgs2 cut scenes ran on too long. That would be a good reason to fake committing suicide.

I mean shit, after sitting in my room for 2 hours watching a cut scene suicide seamed like the only viable option.

In closing, screw raiden!

[Savok]

I see we've gone into a favorite subject of mine, music.

Best way to introduce them to Led Zeppelin is with the How The West Was Won album and the DVD (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00008PX8P/qid=1137723234/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-9288501-7223240?s=dvd&v=glance&n=130) that came out at the same time (note they aren't the same concerts). Watching Bonzo doing Mody Dick LIVE for something like 20 minutes is awe inspiring. Word of warning, the awesome the may kill the untrained. More fun with the DVD is watching why Zeppelin never did TV again (put simply, Plant's voice broke the microphone) and spotting my father in the audience during Immigrant Song video done in Australia.

And if they somehow survive all this, Emerson, Lake and Palmer will finish the job.

[Drinking_Buddy]

Does Babe I'm Gonna Leave You count as emo?

Sense the song is about a ex-girlfriend who made Jimmy Page choose between the band and her. No.

I see we've gone into a favorite subject of mine, music.

Best way to introduce them to Led Zeppelin is with the How The West Was Won album and the DVD (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00008PX8P/qid=1137723234/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-9288501-7223240?s=dvd&v=glance&n=130) that came out at the same time (note they aren't the same concerts). Watching Bonzo doing Mody Dick LIVE for something like 20 minutes is awe inspiring. Word of warning, the awesome the may kill the untrained. More fun with the DVD is watching why Zeppelin never did TV again (put simply, Plant's voice broke the microphone) and spotting my father in the audience during Immigrant Song video done in Australia.

And if they somehow survive all this, Emerson, Lake and Palmer will finish the job.

Yeah I got the CD, I figure the 30 minute long verson of Dazed and Confused will kill most emo kids.

[Atepsflame]

It's so goddamn true. I've had to deal with shitbirds like this before. There's nothing you can do for them. I've driven myself insane trying to convince people like this that life isn't that bad, and that if they'd just live and let lie, things wouldn't be so bad. But, that's teenage angst for you, and your right. The culture of depression and suicide does nothing to help.

[Kefkataran]

It's so goddamn true. I've had to deal with shitbirds like this before. There's nothing you can do for them. I've driven myself insane trying to convince people like this that life isn't that bad, and that if they'd just live and let lie, things wouldn't be so bad. But, that's teenage angst for you, and your right. The culture of depression and suicide does nothing to help.

I disagree. I have a lot of friends and acquaintances who have gone through the normal teen angst/depression mode. But I've stuck by them, been a good friend and helped them through it however possible, and it has actually helped. Oftentimes I've even turned these 'emo kids' into optimists or idealists. The attitude that 'there's nothing you can do for them' is just a falsity created by frustration. It may not be the easiest thing in the world, but you can do stuff for them, and often it even proves worthwhile.

[Ultima Thulian]

It's only derogotary by the people who use it in that way.



It's had a moment in the sun with MTV and the radio, but that's basically all used up already. There was an emo subculture before then and there will be afterwards.

True. But I think emo still has a few minutes in the sun left. But yeah, it's starting to weaken a lot.

I agree that the suicide and self-mutilation is uncalled for and unfortunate. The rest of what you said, though, is not only a vast generalization, but an extremely offensive vast generalization.

That is why I said "most". I know I'm making a generalization. It's just a quick way of getting a point across. I said several times in my post "most, but not all". I'm basically waving a big flag warning readers that what I'm saying is a big generalization. However, being "emo" is supposedely derived from the first three letters in the word "emotion/emotional", so it doesn't seem to be a real big stretch to say the "emo" kids are over-emotional. Emo style music is often filled with "depressing" lyrics and the emo style of dress is often black. With that in mind, it's kinda hard to not make the generalization.

Several people who posted before said pretty much the same generalization. But most people who are "emo" are high school students, living with their parents, completely dependent on them. Nothing wrong with that, but it is kinda of odd as seeing many (again, not all) emo kids seem to have a lot of angst against their parents, yet are dependent on them. I mean really, how many 33 year old "emo" people have you seen? Most "emos" are high school students/college students. Also, it's not really a culture by definition. It doesn't really have history (it's still quite new) and really doesn't have a totality about it, whether it's in beliefs or arts etc. In fact, what do emos believe in? What is their primary background? Are they white? Do they share a common idealology or religon? No one really knows, which is why I still can't help but see it as a fad. It had a underground movement for a period of time, then was popular, and now it's popularity is staring to slow down. Will we really still see emo 10, 20, or even 30 years down the road? Probably not. But who knows?

[Kefkataran]

Also, it's not really a culture by definition. It doesn't really have history (it's still quite new) and really doesn't have a totality about it, whether it's in beliefs or arts etc. In fact, what do emos believe in? What is their primary background? Are they white? Do they share a common idealology or religon?

I could write a long essay listing a lot of things emo-folk generally have in common, but I'm not going to do it here. That said, though, there is a history to emo. It's not long yet, but it's still there, and, of course, it's growing every day. Emo as we know it has been around for at least 20 years, arguably more. I don't see it just disappearing. *shrug* Besides, I don't really see how it's popularity is slowing down either. There's still tons of indie/emo bands and more every day. I'm certainly not seeing less.