Battlefield 2: Modern Combat (X360) Screens

[RainOfTerror]

Battlefield 2: Modern Combat will drop players into the heat of battle on the high tech frontlines, entering a new modern era of combat with more firepower and new expansive environments. Armed with the latest modern weaponry, players can take control of over 30 vehicles, including tanks, helicopters and fast attack vehicles, to engage in major conflicts in some of the largest online battles.

Check these 5 (http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=31034) or maybe these 10 (http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=31061) Battlefield 2 MC screens over at WorthPlaying.

That first screenshot looks pretty damn awesome/realistic

[UnderHero5]

It looks pretty, but I wouldn't say it looks "realistic". Everything, including the character models, looks to be made of plastic.
I've never seen shiney camo before.

[bapenguin]

the overhead shot with the tank looks incredible. It's nice to see grass finally done right.

[TrackZero]

Holy shit that's looking pretty fucking spiffy.

[Nite_Moogle]

Those 80 hour work weeks are turning out some pretty impressive results for EA, at least graphically.

[Captain Awesome]

Those 80 hour work weeks are turning out some pretty impressive results for EA, at least graphically.


hahahaha :D

[Zanzibar]

Anyone know when this ships? I can't fuckin' wait.

[thecrazyd]

the overhead shot with the tank looks incredible. It's nice to see grass finally done right.
We must be looking at different screenshots.

[GrinR]

Hate to say it - but you could mix those shots in with PC shots and you'd have a hard time telling the difference.

I didn't buy a 360 to play PC games - Look at Fight Night R3 as an example of why I got the 360. Good luck getting a PC game to look that good.

[bapenguin]

We must be looking at different screenshots.

This one (http://www.worthplaying.com/press/201/bf2mc_360_04_large.jpg) has some damn nice looking grass. Look how it holds the details has it goes off into the distance. Right now there's usually an invisible line where the grass just "stops".

[Schnoogs]

Good luck getting a PC game to look that good.

Must resist.

[bapenguin]

Hate to say it - but you could mix those shots in with PC shots and you'd have a hard time telling the difference.

I didn't buy a 360 to play PC games - Look at Fight Night R3 as an example of why I got the 360. Good luck getting a PC game to look that good.

The problem is the PC art assets have never been up to par. The PC could very well look as good if the developers wanted it to. But then their target audience might only end up being 10% (see the King Kong super deluxe edition). Over the next year hopefully games will start coming out with much higher quality models and effects.

[UnderHero5]

This one (http://www.worthplaying.com/press/201/bf2mc_360_04_large.jpg) has some damn nice looking grass. Look how it holds the details has it goes off into the distance. Right now there's usually an invisible line where the grass just "stops".
Well, that could be due to the fact that the screenshot is freaking tiny and I can barely make out any detail beyond 100 feet ahead of the tanks....

The grass doesn't really look much different than the stuff in BF2 for PC to me. It's just darker in that screenshot. A higher resolution shot would really help in this case.

[diggable]

the BF2 Xbox that I played at E3 2 years ago, wasn't the same as the one released right now. I swear that it was night and day comparison.

maybe ... and maybe the one that I played was the 360 version, thank god I didn't buy the xbox version.

[Nite_Moogle]

Hate to say it - but you could mix those shots in with PC shots and you'd have a hard time telling the difference.

I didn't buy a 360 to play PC games - Look at Fight Night R3 as an example of why I got the 360. Good luck getting a PC game to look that good.
Good luck getting a PC that isn't running that new quad SLI setup to look as good as the promo screenshots for BF2. I have a feeling that Modern Combat will look this good all the time.

[bapenguin]

Well, that could be due to the fact that the screenshot is freaking tiny and I can barely make out any detail beyond 100 feet ahead of the tanks....

The grass doesn't really look much different than the stuff in BF2 for PC to me. It's just darker in that screenshot. A higher resolution shot would really help in this case.

Here's a shot with the "line" (http://festivalman.shackspace.com/bf2_shots/screen008.png) I'm talking about.

I don't know, if I can see that much detail in a smaller shot, I'd think the larger shot would show even more detail and look better. Of course the larger shot could also show more flaws.

[Schnoogs]

Good luck getting a PC that isn't running that new quad SLI setup to look as good as the promo screenshots for BF2. I have a feeling that Modern Combat will look this good all the time.

What is it about that picture that has led you to believe that a high end PC isnt capable of rendering that quality.

Failry certain a high end Athlon paired with the soon to be released X1900 from ATI has more than enough muscle to keep up with these first gen 360 games.

As far as I'm concerned it won't be til we see more multithreaded games that the 360 will show what its really got. Most of the first gen games including even such high profile titles as Gears of War are using one core.

If a developer programmed solely for a high end PC than it would have no problem keeping up...its just that developers have to program for all the older hardware...the achilles of the PC.

[bapenguin]

As far as I'm concerned it won't be til we see more multithreaded games that the 360 will show what its really got. Most of the first gen games including even such high profile titles as Gears of War are using one core.

That is completely false.

[UnderHero5]

Good luck getting a PC that isn't running that new quad SLI setup to look as good as the promo screenshots for BF2. I have a feeling that Modern Combat will look this good all the time.
It doesn't take much to run the game at full settings and get near 60 FPS or above at all times.
I have a single 6800 GT that does the juob just fine, at 1280 x 1024. Heck, I can run it at 1600 x 1200 just fine with my PC. And it's FAR from being a quad SLI setup.

Now if they would fix the glitches in BF2 then I'd be more happy about being able to run it well.

[LilAbner]

Now this looks next-gen.

[Borys]

I remember times when GrinR's posts made some sense.

[UnderHero5]

Here's a shot with the "line" (http://festivalman.shackspace.com/bf2_shots/screen008.png) I'm talking about.

I don't know, if I can see that much detail in a smaller shot, I'd think the larger shot would show even more detail and look better. Of course the larger shot could also show more flaws.
Wait, now I'm confused.
I thought you were talking about the "line" where you're moving and you can see the grass "pop up" off in the distance. It happens when you're flying in a jet near the ground, or driving very fast in a jeep. That's what I was talking about. I don't see that in the screenshot you just posted, so now I'm thinking you mean the patches of "texture" between the grass?

Just trying to figure out what we're talking about here.

If you mean those patches of texture, you probably can't see them as well because of the resolution of that 360 shot. It's there though, you can tell if you look where the grass meets the road. You just can't see it well because it's dark grass on a dark texture in a low res picture.

[Dr Quincy]

A higher resolution shot would really help in this case.

Like these? (http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=31061)

[phantomhitman]

That is completely false.

Wasnt there a statement realised by cliffy b as well as the launch title developers saying they wee only using one core? If not I am stupid and will go stand in the corner.....

[UnderHero5]

Like these? (http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=31061)
No. Like a higher resolution version of the screenshot we were talking about.
You know, so we could see the grass/ground. None of those other shots really show what we're talking about.

[Dr Quincy]

Wasnt there a statement realised by cliffy b as well as the launch title developers saying they wee only using one core?

There was this (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27249) piece by The Inquirer. No idea if it has since been refuted or not.

You know, so we could see the grass/ground. None of those other shots really show what we're talking about.

But aren't they shiny! :D

[GrinR]

In short:

Good console games are designed to get the most out of the console.
Good PC games are designed to work for as many PCs as possible and still look good.

These screenshots look like nice PC shots, not like serious Xbox 360 shots.

[Captain Awesome]

Like these? (http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=31061)

Im not a BF fan, but those shots look very impressive.

[astronautsandwich]

I concur with GrinR. That being said, any delicious BF2 news still gives me a full-on robot chubby.

[UnderHero5]

I concur with GrinR. That being said, any delicious BF2 news still gives me a full-on robot chubby.
robot chubby?
Can you break a wall down with it?

[bapenguin]

I just found out that there is a hidden ultra mode or something in BF2 for PC that basically gets rid of the "line" when displaying the grass. I did not know that. Very cool.

[bapenguin]

Wasnt there a statement realised by cliffy b as well as the launch title developers saying they wee only using one core? If not I am stupid and will go stand in the corner.....

I know that Perfect Dark 0, Kameo, PGR3, Geometry Wars (heh) and most of the 2K lineup utilize more than 1 core. Not sure about EA or Activision.

The statement that came out on Gears of War was back around E3 stating that they currently only had it running on 1 core, but were working on getting it working on multiple cores. I'm pretty sure there was a recent interview or blog post by Cliffy stating how much better its doing now on all 3 cores.

[UnderHero5]

I just found out that there is a hidden ultra mode or something in BF2 for PC that basically gets rid of the "line" when displaying the grass. I did not know that. Very cool.
I'm still not sure of which line you mean, but yeah, the Ultra settings look pretty nice.
Beleive it or not, my 6800 GT can run them pretty well too. I don't bother with them though as I'd rather have the smoothest framerate possible with it still looking nice, so high settings are good enough for me.

The ultra settings sextures, I mean textures look very nice though. Very nice indeed.

[The Iron Weasel]

I can't get the ultra mode to display. I could on my old inferior computer, but my new one the option just isn't there.

[Steele Johnson]

Hate to say it - but you could mix those shots in with PC shots and you'd have a hard time telling the difference.

I didn't buy a 360 to play PC games - Look at Fight Night R3 as an example of why I got the 360. Good luck getting a PC game to look that good.

Yeah, but in the end, Live! support is what really makes the difference with a game like this. Who cares if the graphics are a little bit better on a top-of-the-line pc? If your pc is struggling to run the game, and you have to muck with that half-assed server browser, then I'd choose a little extra bloom and a controller any day.

[Skookum]

Anyone else think that some of them look somewhat "foggy" or out of focus? Specifically the ones on the page of ten. Looks good, but definitely not *better* than PC BF2 (at least not yet anyways). I'd love to see a high resolution video of this side by side with a PC version. It's hard to compare screenshots with PC BF2, as you can just turn up the resolution and anti aliasing on a computer to make it look great, but it will most likely play really slow. The maps for the Xbox 360 are all completely different too right? Hmmm, given my BF2 addiction this game might make me buy an Xbox 360.

[UnderHero5]

I can't get the ultra mode to display. I could on my old inferior computer, but my new one the option just isn't there.
You have to enable it in a config file.
http://www.tweakguides.com/BF2_7.html
That page tells you how, right toward the top.

[astronautsandwich]

robot chubby?
Can you break a wall down with it?
You know it. Station.

[Schnoogs]

I know that Perfect Dark 0, Kameo, PGR3, Geometry Wars (heh) and most of the 2K lineup utilize more than 1 core. Not sure about EA or Activision.

The statement that came out on Gears of War was back around E3 stating that they currently only had it running on 1 core, but were working on getting it working on multiple cores. I'm pretty sure there was a recent interview or blog post by Cliffy stating how much better its doing now on all 3 cores.

This still doesnt change the fact that graphically speaking there's nothing preventing the PC from rendering the same level of quality.

Those other cores may be being used for AI, Physics, loading, etc but in terms of GPU power video cards like the 7800GTX and the X1900 are more than capable.

Supposedly that Far Cry 2 demo used Shaders and DirectX features that arent doable on the 360 GPU.

To prevent this from spiraling into a full fledge argument I think we would all agree that given the PC's hardware release cycle it wont be long before the PC is more powerful than these new consoles.

Quad core is already being talked about and there's quad SLI. The PC can also benefit from newer DirectX 10 features where as the 360 is locked in.

[bapenguin]

This still doesnt change the fact that graphically speaking there's nothing preventing the PC from rendering the same level of quality.

Those other cores may be being used for AI, Physics, loading, etc but in terms of GPU power video cards like the 7800GTX and the X1900 are more than capable.

Supposedly that Far Cry 2 demo used Shaders and DirectX features that arent doable on the 360 GPU.

To prevent this from spiraling into a full fledge argument I think we would all agree that given the PC's hardware release cycle it wont be long before the PC is more powerful than these new consoles.

Quad core is already being talked about and there's quad SLI. The PC can also benefit from newer DirectX 10 features where as the 360 is locked in.

Right. Like I said before, I don't think it's a hardware limitation, but rather a software limitation.

The line in which I refer to is the line in which the grass stops being drawn and a flat texture is used in it's place. Different games handle it in different ways (either by blending or fading, etc) but when looking at something in the distance it's still there. I just saw a few shots of Ultra mode and you can clearly see grass in the difference being drawn individually instead as a repeating texture.

[YoungAlCapone]

Good luck getting a PC that isn't running that new quad SLI setup to look as good as the promo screenshots for BF2. I have a feeling that Modern Combat will look this good all the time.

Not to be a dick, but do you play PC games? I run a 9800xt, 3.0Ghz P4 with HT and a gig of ram, and I play Battlefield 2 with everything on high or max at 1024x768. It looks about as good as most of those screenshots.

Now if the bugs would get sorted out, and if the shot lag wasn't so horrible on a server with more than 20 players that it makes any scoped rifle useless, they might regain my interest. As of now, it sits uninstalled in my desk.

[trip1eX]

MS could sell another 360 if EA did this game right. I have my doubts. First off, it's EA and then besides the dumbed-downness and the analog stick aiming, the console version is only going to support 24 online which quite blows. Especially when the stars and moon and sun have to be aligned right for someone to host a 24 player match.

[Nite_Moogle]

Crank it all up to Ultra using the hidden settings and see if you can get a solid framerate at 1280x1024, since that's what they use for promo shots and that's the 720p resolution on the 360.

[YoungAlCapone]

Crank it all up to Ultra using the hidden settings and see if you can get a solid framerate at 1280x1024, since that's what they use for promo shots and that's the 720p resolution on the 360.

Alright, give me a second to reinstall, but I highly doubt my computer will do it.

However, my point was that in motion with my settings the game quiet often looks as good if not better than many of the promo shots and Xbox 360 shots, always at at least 60 fps. The game is a looker, no doubt, but I do not find the Xbox 360 version to be any prettier or more realistic than the PC. It must be seen in motion though, before anything definitive can be said.

The real point, though, is that if the game cannot run properly in an online environment like it is supposed to, than all of the pretty graphics in the world cannot save it. I have had some truely epic and harrowing experiences in Battlefield 2, so much so that recollection almost tells me that I want to play that game again. Yet, recollection then reminds me that for every 30 seconds of intense and great gameplay I got out of that game I spent 3-4 hours not enjoying it.

[Knite]

Yet, recollection then reminds me that for every 30 seconds of intense and great gameplay I got out of that game I spent 3-4 hours not enjoying it.

That is exactly my experience with BF2 as well.

I'm hoping my new system will change that ratio some, but I'm too busy playing things like Call of Duty 2 and Aces High to get back to BF2 yet. heh

[YoungAlCapone]

That is exactly my experience with BF2 as well.

I'm hoping my new system will change that ratio some, but I'm too busy playing things like Call of Duty 2 and Aces High to get back to BF2 yet. heh

Like I was saying earlier, I don't neccesarily think it has anything to do with PC performance but more with some sub-par coding. I cannot speak for your computer, but with mine I ran everything in either high or max, including texture filtering, anti-aliasing and all of that good stuff, in 1024 and had stayed above 60fps at all times. I would hop into servers where everyone was running around with a ping of 50 or less, point my gun at someone's head, squeze the proverbial trigger only to see the shot strike the ground behind them seconds later. With scoped rifles it is imperative that there isn't shot lag, because trying to adjust for shot lag is almost impossible, as the rifle rarely behaves the way you expect.

[GrinR]

For the record, my criticism of the not-particularly-impressive screenshots should in no way indicate a lack of eagerness on my part to buy this title. While playing PD0, I continually thought to myself, "Damn, I wish Battlefield 2 was on the 360..."

I'll be buying it posthaste.

[absolut taco]

Crank it all up to Ultra using the hidden settings and see if you can get a solid framerate at 1280x1024, since that's what they use for promo shots and that's the 720p resolution on the 360.
???
Since when is 720 horizontal lines the same as 1024 horizontal lines?

[Nite_Moogle]

720p is 1280x720 in a widescreen format. You can't display 1280x720 unless you have a widescreen monitor without some severe distortion, and that probably isn't the native resolution of your monitor anyway. 1080i is 1920x1080 which is probably closer, and the 360 should be able to easily handle 1080i-quality output even if the system doesn't actually display it that high.

[YoungAlCapone]

Crank it all up to Ultra using the hidden settings and see if you can get a solid framerate at 1280x1024, since that's what they use for promo shots and that's the 720p resolution on the 360.



It runs it, albeit not great, but it runs it. It hovers around 30 FPS, usually below. It looks nice, noticeably better, but not so much as to leave me more impressed than how impressed I already was with it. The promo screens look about that good, I stand by my first comment. It remains an exceptionally good looking game, but sharper, kinda like the first time you see halo 2 on the 360.

The grass still ended abruptly and filled in at a certain distance from the player.

Shelling sequences would make my FPS drop to around 20. Not a slide show by any means, but things start to slow down to the point that it is detectable.

Running and alot of movement (i.e. playing the game) would make it hiccup every once in a while. Like I would be on a turret on a humvee and someone else is driving and the screen would just freeze for a second or two and then I would be a hundred yards further down the road.

This is all on a 9800xt, not quad SLIs by any means. With a 6800gt I am quite sure that I could do those settings and maintain a decent frame rate.

[mpsmith]

You just need a better computer. I could run in those settings easily at that resolution. Not a problem at all. I normally run in "regular" high settings in 1600x1200 and its perfect. Maybe in a rare occasion i'll have some lower framerates (say 40) but its generally fine.

[Dag-Sabot]

This is a stupid question but, how do i determine at what frame rate bf2 is running?

[Suicidal ShiZuru]

The "tweaks" dont really make a difference. The new screens look a bit different not neccesarily better. The main thing is it seems like the PC has a much, much farther draw distance.

This is a stupid question but, how do i determine at what frame rate bf2 is running?


Go to the tweak guide there is one to display it I think. Or just use FRAPS but I dont trust the program, a ton of people do though...

[thecrazyd]

I wonder how many players it supports? Can you have 64 player matches?

[Suicidal ShiZuru]

Dont think so, thats another thing consoles cant do... Whats the limit on CoD2? 8? With lag?

[Thin_J]

I don't know what the fuck that screenshot of BF2 was taken on, but it sure as hell wasn't good hardware. I'm running a couple of 7800GT's and it's a lot better looking visually than that screenshot.

I had a 6800GT up until November and it ran it looking prettier than that shot as well.

I see some minor improvements to the 360 version, but I don't think they're anything that couldn't be implemented in the PC version too if the devs decided to patch them into the game.

[AversionFX]

I won't pitch in my "wow, that looks pretty." until I see screenshots of the game from the player's view (hud and all). I'm tired of promo shots.

[bapenguin]

I wonder how many players it supports? Can you have 64 player matches?

The official site says 24.

Dont think so, thats another thing consoles cant do... Whats the limit on CoD2? 8? With lag?

CoD 2 is a poor example. Their multiplayer system is simply busted.

I know PD0 has 32 player support. Doesn't Battlefront on XBox support 64? or is it only 32?

[Frogleg Special]

I can't believe that people are forgetting the fact that it's "Modern Combat". So it's just what you play in the Xbox plus shiny, plasticky models and easier ability to add in features later. Does the preview say about Fighter Planes? No. It could be added later, but it's not an out of box feature.

360 Graphics maybe superior to PC games now. But gameplay on average in this kind of game is still inferior. Xbox/Xbox 360 gaming are still copycats to PC gaming. If I buy an Xbox 360, it's for the racing, action-adventure, platforming, action RPG and sports games. Battlefield 3 I'll be waiting on Vista PC.

[Banacek]

You know it. Station.

You might be a king or a little street sweeper, but sooner or later you'll dance with the reaper.

Station!

[Morratut]

Lol I love it when the PC fanboys get all defensive.

I have a good spec PC (P4 3.6Ghz,1GB Ram, 6800)and it doesn't look as good as the 360 version from initial looks of these shots.

Need to see it running though. I have BF2 on PC and I haven't played it for a while because its not as much fun as DC. Maybe BF2 on consoles may offer a more fun experience.

[TrackZero]

You might be a king or a little street sweeper, but sooner or later you'll dance with the reaper.

Station!

LMFAO, nice dude. Way to bring it all back.

"You have sunk my battleship."

[Pigeon]

I know PD0 has 32 player support. Doesn't Battlefront on XBox support 64? or is it only 32?

XB version is a max of 24.

And apparently I am the only one here who has a lot of fun (or even plays) the XB version.