Sci Fi Movies Due On Blu-ray Disc

[Evil Avatar]

Sci Fi wire is reporting (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=33949) that several movie studios are preparing to release Blu-Ray movies this summer.

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment (with MGM Home Entertainment) announced 20 initial titles, including The Fifth Element, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Desperado, House of Flying Daggers, A Knight's Tale, Kung Fu Hustle, Resident Evil Apocalypse, RoboCop, Stealth and Species. Starting this summer, Sony will begin adding bonus BD Java games and other features to new film releases, including Underworld: Evolution, which will be released the same time as the DVD. Also being readied for summer release is the complete television series of SCI FI Channel's original series Stargate Atlantis (http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/) in high definition.Time to upgrade my DVD player already? Will Microsoft's Xbox 360 be lost in the dust as Sony launches the Blu-Ray compatible Playstation 3?

[Xaerin]

This is more pointless than UMDs, atl least they're portable. Who's buying a PS3 or BD specific movie player just to watch the same films they can already see on dvd for cheaper?

[Evil Avatar]

This is more pointless than UMDs, atl least they're portable. Who's buying a PS3 or BD specific movie player just to watch the same films they can already see on dvd for cheaper?

I don't know about you, but once I own a Blu-Ray compatible player (like a Playstation 3) I'm not going to purchase anything on DVD any more... I'll put all my money toward the higher quality versions knowing that the players are going to come down in price and then I'll have a nice selection of really high quality stuff to watch.

In the mean time, I'll be watching the Blu-Ray movies on my PC monitor, the way I watch my movies now on my Xbox 360.

[Borys]

Time to upgrade my DVD player already? Will Microsoft's Xbox 360 be lost in the dust as Sony launches the Blu-Ray compatible Playstation 3?

I can't believe what I just read. Is that really you Evil?

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/5166/bluray1tv.jpg

Enjoy!

[Vandenh]

>Time to upgrade my DVD player already?

Dead. Horse. Flogging.

Nuff said...

[bapenguin]

While I'd like to have the Fifth Element in Hi-Def....I'm not buying the damn movie for a 3rd time.

[JudasGoat]

Who's buying a PS3 or BD specific movie player just to watch the same films they can already see on dvd for cheaper?

Who's buying a PS2 or DVD player just to watch the same films they can already see on a VCR for cheaper?

[Evil Avatar]

I can't believe what I just read. Is that really you Evil?

Enjoy!

What can I say, I would love to have higher quality movies. I watch most of my movies on a little 15" Toshiba flat screen TV (flat screen, not flat panel) in my office.

I have started watching them on my Xbox 360 using my 19" monitor and I love the jump in quality so I'm excited by the idea of HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. It was really short sighted of Microsoft to rush the Xbox 360 to market without a high quality option and it was really foolish to throw their support behind a format other than the format Sony is going to use for the PS3.

They should have put Blu-Ray drives in the 360's and then let Sony be the one to "mainstream" Blu-Ray to consumers, doing all the work for them. :)

[Evil Avatar]

While I'd like to have the Fifth Element in Hi-Def....I'm not buying the damn movie for a 3rd time.

Honestly, I don't own that one except on VHS and I don't have a VHS player in my office. So, I guess that will be my first Blu-Ray purchase once the PS3 is out. I'm not buying a Blu-Ray player just to watch the movies, but I'll be happy to take advantage of having one built into the PS3.

(If I can get a PS3 at launch, which is questionable.)

[Borys]

Tiny pics:

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[Sensei-X]

Honestly I've never played any DVDs on my consoles, I use them to play games and they don't need the added wear and tear of hours of movie watching. When a cheap stand-alone BR player becomes available I might get one, until then I'm happy with my 200+ DVDs which will probably take a couple of years to be reissued in BR format, if they even are at all.

[Morratut]

Lol BR Hitch. Yawwwwwwwwnn.

Some serious blood is going to be spilt over this BR vs HDDVD format wars.

Round 1......FIGHT!

[bapenguin]

Did they announce a cost for the movies yet? I know it took a good 2-3 years before DVDs dropped from 30 to 20 bucks. That was what really got the DVD movement jump started.

[Xaerin]

Who's buying a PS2 or DVD player just to watch the same films they can already see on a VCR for cheaper?

Are you honestly saying the quality difference between VHS and DVD is comparable to DVD and Blu-Ray?

[Borys]

Did they announce a cost for the movies yet? I know it took a good 2-3 years before DVDs dropped from 30 to 20 bucks. That was what really got the DVD movement jump started.

Nope.

They announced the prices of stand-alone players though.

Around $1K.

HD-DVD players are $500-$799 (better model).

I am trying to dig the source right now...

[Player 1]

News just in: Vocal gamers criticise the viability of a product whilst ignoring the fact it's not aimed at them anyway.

Coming next: Water wet. Fire hot.

Update at 11.

[bapenguin]

Nope.

They announced the prices of stand-alone players though.

Around $1K.

HD-DVD players are $500-$799 (better model).

I am trying to dig the source right now...

I found this HD-DVD (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-1YntM2qVD2a/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?i=052HDA1&cm_re_o=fB5Bu5zTw*kwzp*5MjiDnZK-v) player on Crutchfield. I didn't think they were out already. What's the point anyway? There's no friggin content.

NM - says preorder.

[normyk]

Ok, Stargate is cool and all but where is the Galactica love? Huh?
Just glancing at the list I find 6 titles I want on BRD. Not 'rush out and buy day one' titles but things I would buy for the right price.

I might also forego a fourth copy of the Fifth Element for now. I've managed to avoid the Evil Dead of the month club but I buy every effing edition of the Fifth Element that they throw at me and it's getting old.

[bapenguin]

News just in: Vocal gamers criticise the viability of a product whilst ignoring the fact it's not aimed at them anyway.

Coming next: Water wet. Fire hot.

Update at 11.

This just in...gamers share a lot of interests with these products. They don't have to care ONLY about games.

Up Next: Player 1 has a post shorter than 30 paragraphs. Is the world coming to an end?

[Borys]

HD-DVD players $499 and $799 - link (http://www.i4u.com/article4840.html).

Because HD DVD Discs spin at higher revolutions than a standard DVD, accurate mechanical engineering went into the chassis design of both models, says Toshiba. A double chassis construction is employed to add stability and strength against vibrations and the HD-XA1 adds insulated stabilizing feet to provide a steadfast foundation for the device.
The Toshiba HD DVD Players HD-XA1 will retail for $799.99 and the HD-A1 for $499.99 in March 2006.

Nothing on the BR players yet.

[Balthasar]

Are you honestly saying the quality difference between VHS and DVD is comparable to DVD and Blu-Ray?

The difference between Blu-Ray and DVD is probably bigger.

[Yeti2005]

The difference between Blu-Ray and DVD is probably bigger.

Are you talking picture quality or functionality? I think the functionality gained from jumping from the VCR to DVD is one reason why DVDs became so popular (no longer need to rewind, jump from chapter to chapter, commentary, menu system, etc).

What functionalty do I gain from jumping from DVD to Blu-Ray? Better menus?

[The Iron Weasel]

The difference between Blu-Ray and DVD is probably bigger.

No way in hell, I've watched HD movies on digital cable, and they arn't THAT much better, well at least not the quality and sound difference between VHS and DVD.

[Vandenh]

>What functionalty do I gain from jumping from DVD to Blu-Ray? Better menus?

Java games WTF!

[Borys]

Why was my Blu-Ray newspost/ thread deleted? I spent around 20 minutes preparing and formatting it.

I know it wasn't bap's doing.

Everlost_MI? Evil himself?

[Heretic Machine]

Whateva happended to da laser disc...

[The Iron Weasel]

Why was my Blu-Ray newspost/ thread deleted? I spent around 20 minutes preparing and formatting it.

I know it wasn't bap's doing.

Everlost_MI? Evil himself?

I think it was moved to the forums.

Edit: It was moved to the forums, I checked.

[Borys]

I think it was moved to the forums.

Edit: It was moved to the forums, I checked.

Yes I noticed. For comlpetely wrong reason.

[PantherModern]

Honestly, I think that the market may be starting to exceed the people it is aimed at. For the vast majority of America, DVD format movies are perfect. They are cheap, they are high quality for the most part, and the media and players are easily obtainable. Yes, there will be a segment of the market that this will appeal to, but I just don't think that the average joe is gonna plunk down 800 bucks just to watch movies that will look a bit better. If this was, say, two years off, when hi def really starts pushing into the majority of homes, then I would think that it might fly.

THe only real benefit that I would see would be the space. Having a whole season of a TV show on a single disc would be cool. However, they would likely have to go with a lower resolution to make that happen, making the selling point all but useless.

Blu Ray=Laserdisc.

[Yeti2005]

I wonder if this will turn into something like the audio SACD vs DVD-A war. The end result was not a lot of people were ready for (or wanted) either technology because they were happy with what they had.

[Rakael]

News just in: Vocal gamers criticise the viability of a product whilst ignoring the fact it's not aimed at them anyway.

Coming next: Water wet. Fire hot.

Update at 11.

This is by far your funniest troll yet. ;)

Seriously, it brought tears to my eyes. Could just be the near psychotic mindframe I'm in what with the lack of cigarettes.

[absolut taco]

They should have put Blu-Ray drives in the 360's and then let Sony be the one to "mainstream" Blu-Ray to consumers, doing all the work for them. :)
I'm glad my X360
a) came out in November of last year. I'm having lots of fun playing it.
b) cost $400 and not $500 or $600 (not sure how much a BR or HD-DVD drive would add).
None of the above would have been possible if they hadn't stuck with a normal DVD player.

Who knows which one of HD-DVD or Blu-Ray will be the next Betamax.

[Player 1]

This just in...gamers share a lot of interests with these products. They don't have to care ONLY about games.

Up Next: Player 1 has a post shorter than 30 paragraphs. Is the world coming to an end?

They say immitation is the sincerest form of flattery. ;)

Gamers do share a lot of interests, but when they open their yaps they tend to say things that amount to "Why are Sony bothering with movies? I'm not bothered about watching movies. Sony are doomed because they're not catering exclusively to my needs".

This mentality is demonstrated at least once in nearly every post - the attitude that the whole damn industry should revolve around some guy who wants X but not Y. Get over yourselves folks, you're just the outspoken minority.

As for your "30 paragraphs" statement. I'm so sorry that I bother to expand on my points and provide details to back up what I say. Clearly, a quick one-line, fact free opinion is far more valid than a thought out statement.

And can someone please tell me why you all feel perfectly happy to insult me at every given oppurtunity yet you brand me a troll just because I highlight inadequacies in arguments and debates? Perhaps if I did some name calling or thew around some "u r ghey" statements I'd consider the label justified. I'm sure I rub people up the wrong way - but that's half the point. I see endless bias and lack of proper thought and objectivity, I counter that and challenge others the spot their errors in assumptions (see my sig for details). People may not like it, but it certainly doesn't make me a troll. Heck, I barely even go off-topic.

Seems like there's a whiff of double-standards and hypocrisy around here.

[Steele Johnson]

Are you honestly saying the quality difference between VHS and DVD is comparable to DVD and Blu-Ray?

I'd agree with that assessment. Even the HD movies I watch via my cable box is much much better than a DVD. But I suppose that depends on your DVD player and your tv. The quality of your DVD player and TV really makes a huge difference.

[Rakael]

I called you a troll for pretty much the same reason you say things to rile people up. Payback is a bitch!

And I did put the ;) at the end man, c'mon!

Getting back to getting back all of a sudden, I wasn't joking about that bringing tears to my eyes. Funny shit man. Just to make sure its very clear here: I was laughing with you on that one.

I do agree that most of US (notice I include myself here) from time to time tend to think we as a single person represent the whole of any community, its just human nature really. You do have to admit that EA is much better than just about any other forum out there though. At least here we type in full sentences if nothing else.

[bapenguin]

...you brand me a troll just because I highlight inadequacies in arguments and debates?

See what you typed right there? That is why you are a troll.

You NEVER post anything more than negative stuff about other people's post. I don't think I've ever read a Player 1 post with your own opinion first on any subject.

I've never read something like this from you: "I played this game, it was pretty good. I especially like XYZ"

[Borys]

See what you typed right there? That is why you are a troll.

You NEVER post anything more than negative stuff about other people's post. I don't think I've ever read a Player 1 post with your own opinion first on any subject.

I've never read something like this from you: "I played this game, it was pretty good. I especially like XYZ"

That's actually true. Very strange.

It seems 1P is just a gate crasher.

[JudasGoat]

Are you honestly saying the quality difference between VHS and DVD is comparable to DVD and Blu-Ray?

Absolutely. The format doesn't require that much more storage for no reason. If you watch something in HD vs. non-HD, you'll see the point.

For the record, I use my 360 as my DVD player and I have a 40" Sony Bravia XBR television. Watching a movie on HBO HD vs. the comparative graininess of the DVD media limitation is obvious to anyone who has seen the two.

[bapenguin]

Absolutely. The format doesn't require that much more storage for no reason. If you watch something in HD vs. non-HD, you'll see the point.

For the record, I use my 360 as my DVD player and I have a 40" Sony Bravia XBR television. Watching a movie on HBO HD vs. the comparative graininess of the DVD media limitation is obvious to anyone who has seen the two.

The XBox 360 DVD player sucks ass.
Of course, HBO HD's quality sucks ass.

Compare a solid Denon DVD player to an OTA broadcast from CBS or ABC. That would be a more realistic comparison.

[ty4a]

I found this HD-DVD (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-1YntM2qVD2a/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?i=052HDA1&cm_re_o=fB5Bu5zTw*kwzp*5MjiDnZK-v) player on Crutchfield. I didn't think they were out already. What's the point anyway? There's no friggin content.

NM - says preorder.

actually you can get porn on hd-dvd, what more can you ask for.
hint search "Island Fever 3" ;)

[Tia]

I don't get it. If BlueRay player wil cost $1000 and PS3 will cost $500... how will that work? Wouldn't sony be shooting themselves and all their partners in the foot? Who would buy a BlueRay played when they can get PS3 for half price.

[JudasGoat]

Compare a solid Denon DVD player to an OTA broadcast from CBS or ABC. That would be a more realistic comparison.

True, I suppose. Speaking of having half a dozen components all hooked up to a television, does anyone know of any HD component selectors that aren't massive in size for under $100?

[Player 1]

You do have to admit that EA is much better than just about any other forum out there though. At least here we type in full sentences if nothing else.

Evil Avatar is a nice place to collect opinionated news from. Evil Avatar's community rarely demonstrates a proper understanding of the news it reprints though. You should try reading some genuine industry based communities to get a better idea of where Evil Avatar lies.

And no, I'm not going to tell you where they are... ...just ask yourself why there's no big games forum where developers and journos mix it up with gamers. That division is there for a reason (and please don't quote developer websites/communities as being places where the two types mix together - you know damn well what I'm talking about).

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with your statement.

See what you typed right there? That is why you are a troll.

You NEVER post anything more than negative stuff about other people's post. I don't think I've ever read a Player 1 post with your own opinion first on any subject.

As I have already explained in numerous posts: When I agree with something I don't feel the need to hear my own voice saying "I agree" - it adds nothing to the debate.

It is such a shame that you regard a difference of opinion, an effort to broaden people's understanding (I never criticise without providing details to back up my points - hence my long posts) or to act as devil's advocate as some sort of unwelcome behaviour.

Everything is fine and dandy so long as we all agree with each other - but let's insult the guy who voices and details his alternative point of view.

Additionally, the fact that Evil Avatar community posters have a massively over-opinionated sense of their own importance and knowledge only adds to the damage. Under no circumstances do you guys ever think you're wrong when, most of the time, you are. Running with rumours and slating companies and actions based on hearsay? Jumping the gun instead of holding out for facts? That'd be a daily occurance at Evil Avatar.

Those are the facts. Just because you don't like the sound of them doesn't make them untrue.

Try getting a grip on how this industry really works instead of simply re-printing other people's news (Evil Avatar, to my knowledge, doesn't actually report any news it simply reposts it from other sources - this doesn't equate to being informed) and you'll understand where I'm coming from. Alternatively, stay ignorant and scream that I'm some troll. It might make you feel better but it won't make you right.

I've never read something like this from you: "I played this game, it was pretty good. I especially like XYZ"

Well that's becuase I don't write one-dimensional posts. Any goddamn monkey can write a post like that.

I have made many positive comments about games that have impressed me or companies that impress me. The times I do credit games or companies I'm insulted just as much as when I don't. I recall how much you respect my opinion of Electronic Arts' achievements.

See? It's not that I don't praise things, it's that I don't praise the things you want me to. It's not that I'm only negative, it's that I'm negative about the things you want me to be positive about.

I don't march to the beat of your drum. And, for that, you brand me a troll.

[bapenguin]

Honestly Player 1...do you know ANYONE who has an opinion and thinks it's wrong? That makes no sense whatsoever.

My point is this, you don't contribute anything other than negative feedback on other people's posts. I'd like to see you submit an article once and a while and comment on it. Or hell, comment on ANY article. Start a discussion with your immeasurable wealth of knowledge.

We do report news, just very little. We have a handful of first hand contacts and that's it. Never claimed to be anything more. We are a community site that depends on reader interaction for feedback, etc. You are a troll because you feedback consists of laughing at someone's opinion and typing 5 paragraphs on why they are wrong. You do this constantly. People get pissed off. It's not that you don't march to the beat of our drum, it's that you'll march to the beat of any drum as long as it's different.

[Balthasar]

No way in hell, I've watched HD movies on digital cable, and they arn't THAT much better, well at least not the quality and sound difference between VHS and DVD.

Two problems with this comparison. One is that while some cable channels advertise HD, they are not actually broadcasting true HD (in the case of movie channels, just upsampled from standard definitions). The other problem is that you don't know exactly at what resolution the programing is being broadcast (for example, no channel currently broadcasts at 1080p).

[Balthasar]

Are you talking picture quality or functionality? I think the functionality gained from jumping from the VCR to DVD is one reason why DVDs became so popular (no longer need to rewind, jump from chapter to chapter, commentary, menu system, etc).

What functionalty do I gain from jumping from DVD to Blu-Ray? Better menus?

I think we were discussing picture quality. The way you interact with the medium is supposed to be vastly stronger, but I don't know a whole lot about that. The resolution jump is indisputable, however.

And again, DVDs gained their status in the U.S. for one reason only: you didn't have a choice. If the studios and retailers continued to release VHS and DVD side by side, VHS would continue to lead the market, even today.

[Balthasar]

Blu Ray=Laserdisc.

No, and....

I wonder if this will turn into something like the audio SACD vs DVD-A war. The end result was not a lot of people were ready for (or wanted) either technology because they were happy with what they had.

No to that as well. Blu-Ray is not analagous to either of these examples for a few reason, the primary one being support. Laserdiscs failed in the U.S. because it was very poorly supported, compared to the support DVDs enjoy today. The manufacturing quality of laserdiscs were often a coinflip, and the players themselves affected the quality of the discs too much. Not to mention the fact that they remained too expensive compared to the alternative. Their size didn't help things much either. SACD and DVD-A have not taken off primarily because the music industry has moved towards portability, and if you can name a SACD or DVD-A portable player off the top of your head without looking it up on the net, you deserve a few geek points. Cd's completely took off with the Discman (and vice-versa), and the iPod and other digital music players supplanted those with an even more portable format (mp3's).

As long as movie studios remain commited to releasing old and new films in high-def and actually making that the standard (instead of just a more expensive alternative), Blu-Ray will likely be successful. Or, at the very least, if it fails, it will be for different reasons. Comparisons to Betamax, by the way, don't work so well here either. One of the problems with Betamax was that Sony tried to control what was and was not put on their tapes, which completely alienated a growing porn industry. Strange, but true.

Yes, there will be a segment of the market that this will appeal to, but I just don't think that the average joe is gonna plunk down 800 bucks just to watch movies that will look a bit better. If this was, say, two years off, when hi def really starts pushing into the majority of homes, then I would think that it might fly.

Name one new media format that EVER took off in less than two years. Go ahead, try it. You'll never find one. These things are always slow, as I've said elsewhere in this thread. Especially in the U.S. Of course the only people that will buy the early stand alone Blu-Ray players will be of the enthusiast croud. They're always first to the new technology. When the first model of the iPod was released with a 5 gig drive for a pittance of $399 (with shitty battery life to boot), did you think the "average joe" would pick one up?

[SMES]

Etc...

The one time you replied to me, it was to defend Next Generation's editorial trolling the Revolution, and to attack me for calling them on it. You asked at the end of your long diatribe if anyone was going to bother to post a well reasoned response, and I responded a number of times. I remember remarking that Next Generation said nothing about WHY the Revolution announcement was a 2005 "gaffe".

Maybe it just wasn't well "reasoned" enough for you, but I still think you're the troll.


Additionally, if you READ that particular gaffe is labelled "#5 Nintendo's Revolution Revelation" which, if you check your calendar, happened in 2005.

Is that clear or is the burning rage you get when someone dares to criticise your chosen empty box still making you see things that aren't there?


And you wonder why people think you're an ass? Like I said in my follow ups, Next Gen said the announcement was a gaffe, and then just made fun of the product. Also, if you examine my original post, I think you would have a hard time finding any indication of "burning rage."

I'm sorry that I don't fit the well groomed expectations of a Nintendo fanboy you placed upon me, but usually when people call me on something they point to what I ACTUALLY SAID, and not just what stereotype they presume I am.

[Player 1]

what I ACTUALLY SAID, and not just what stereotype they presume I am.

It would be so nice if others would afford me the same level of civility - including you.

Thank you, you've demonstrated my point about hypocrisy and double standards here perfectly.

See? I don't make this shit up - you guys would just rather not hear it. Now you'll attack me for showing you your own poor behaviour.


As for the way I respond to posts - if you guys weren't so consistently childish, unthinking and free of logic then I'm unlikely to respond that way. You see, I respond to what I see (I did actually start one topic (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7281) but nobody seemed interested in my attempt to be constructive - or maybe you all agreed and therefore, like me, didn't need to reply?), My posts aren't exclusively critical or negative - you just choose to recall the ones that are - but if you insist on behaving in the same unthinking manner then why should you suddenly expect to get a different response from me?

And, at the sake of repeating myself AGAIN, what point is there in me posting "I agree" in any topic I agree in? It adds nothing to the debate and does little but raise my post count. I don't march to the beat of any different drum, I just don't feel the need to bleat with the rest of the herd.

I made some truly radical posts like the one were I suggested gamers shouldn't flame Jack Thompson at every oppurtunity and prove to him we're not the characters he portrays us as. From the response I got you'd have thought I'd asked you to shoot you own mothers. What I was suggseting wasn't unreasonable - in fact it was a request for others to BE reasonable. But, by God, you all had your right to be unreasonable and you sure as hell weren't going to act civilised if you didn't want to.

Yet I'm the troll?

Also, everyone seems to have a free right to pick apart anything I say, insult me and make up stories about me - is this some special rule that applies to everyone else at Evil Avatar? By your own standards, picking apart what others say is trolling. The instant I challenge someone's point of view it appears that, unlike anyone else, I am committing a crime. Hell, people even insult me in post that I haven't even participated in.

No. What you seem to want is your playground to post and comment on news however you like (with the excuse of "It says ...WITH ATTITUDE at the top of the page!!") and be as inaccurate or unthinking as you like. You just don't want someone to call you inaccurate or unthinking when as you go about doing it.

The problem with inviting people to make comments is that you might just get people that say things you don't like. Perhaps, one day, the Evil Avatar community will be mature enough to accept a point of view other than their own without calling people names and insulting them. Good behaviour like that would genuinely set Evil Avatar apart from all those other unthinking gaming communities out there.

Attitude isn't everything you know.

[SMES]

It would be so nice if others would afford me the same level of civility - including you.

Thank you, you've demonstrated my point about hypocrisy and double standards here perfectly.

I'm not asking you to leave, nor am I saying that we don't all make mistakes, misinterpretations, jump to conclusions, etc and so forth. All of these things happen. Most people here, I think, would be willing to admit that.

I simply pointed out the one case that you interacted with me in which I got the impression that you went out of your way to insult me. I don't know if your post was meant to be an indictment of the entire thread or just my post, but when you specifically quote me, put words in my mouth about my inability to understand something, and point out my non-existent "burning rage," I can't help but think you are targeting me specifically. Yes, I am going to do my best to respond to that but I don't take anything personally.

I for one am glad that this community exists with only a few unspoken guidelines for interaction. The threads of commentary that accompany each news item do not adhere to any stringent standards of journalism, and I certainly don't want to imply that I want you to leave me alone. I am a firm believer in the idea of "if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen."

However, if you wish to have a discussion about why you are specifically targeted, then that is what this is about. You frequently refer to people you reply to with an insulting tone and name calling. Then, when bapenguin or someone else makes a joke about your having a reputation for long or critical posts, you get defensive about it. Remember, if you can't take the heat...

[bapenguin]

See? I don't make this shit up - you guys would just rather not hear it. Now you'll attack me for showing you your own poor behaviour.


No, we'll attack you for acting like an elitist. You really know how to rub people the wrong way and you get off on it.

Say whatever you want, keep talking about how the EvilAvatar community is not "mature" enough for you. How we are this, and that. I love how you constantly generalize things. We have tons of great forums members who contribute to this site both in constructive posts and in submitting news. I stand corrected on the fact you never submitted a new thread.

I (and probably most of us) don't want you to leave. Posters like you are what keep this site interesting. And we thank you for that.

[Player 1]

No, we'll attack you for acting like an elitist. You really know how to rub people the wrong way and you get off on it.

I make no apologies for knowing what the hell I'm talking about before I open my mouth. I make damn sure I do. That's what *anyone* should do before contributing to any conversation (particularly if they want their contribution to be taken seriously).

That, my friend, isn't being elitist. Those are the basics.

[bobbler]

I haven't read the thread, as most of it seems mostly off topic, but I wonder/hope that the normal stargate series gets released (I haven't purchased it yet =/). Atlantis just isn't as good, from what I've seen at least...