Viva la Revolution for less than $300

[Vandenh]

Nintendo has confirmed that the Revolution will cost less than $300 when launched. Engadget (http://engadget.com/2005/12/30/nintendo-confirms-revolution-will-debut-for-less-than-300/)got the scoop.

President Satoru Iwata decided to let us all know that they are indeed planning on dropping the Revolution for less than the Xbox Core system, no word yet on the rumors of Mario being a plumber. This just confirms the low-cost vibe we've been getting all along from the big N.
As expected...

[Ernst_Jager]

$149 maybe, but if it is $200-$299 I will pass until it is lower.

[Abednigo]

I would guess $199 (or $249 max). Wasn't that what the Gamecube cost on release? I can't imagine them selling it at the same price, or $20 more, than the DS.

[Kelegacy]

199.00 = Kelegacy buying at launch. I'm giddy over the thoughts of this system like I haven't been for ages. Gameology over technology...I love it.

[bean19]

It better be around $150 or $200. . . They have to make it affordable to buy the system instead of just renting the 2 or 3 worthwhile games that come out for it each year (if as few games are made for it as were made for the GC).

[Cubfan]

Less than $300? So I'm assuming that means not quite as low as $99 as was rumored at one point?

[Spigot]

199.00 = Kelegacy buying at launch. I'm giddy over the thoughts of this system like I haven't been for ages. Gameology over technology...I love it.
You and me both. Given that I have a normal TV that does not use the weird Happy Devil technology to beam pretty images towards me, the Rev looks like the best system for my current set-up anyway. Add in the fact that the Rev actually seems to be somewhat affordable (meaning less than a mortgage payment) and I'm could actually see myself buying it at launch.

I'm also incredibly stoked to get access to the huge back library of games. Of course, the question always begs to be asked... WILL CHRONO TRIGGER BE ON THE LIST?!?

I'm super stoked about the Rev controller. I already have tonnes of crazy peripherals. It'd be nice to have a system that ships with a crazy controller :)

[Peacec]

199.00 = Kelegacy buying at launch. I'm giddy over the thoughts of this system like I haven't been for ages. Gameology over technology...I love it.

I'll second that. I will definately buy one at launch if it is $199.

[Citizen Philip]

Hell I don't own any... okay yes I have unlimited access to an Xbox and PS2 and play neither. Consider this system might cost half as much I'm going to be paying for a video card, that's pretty cool.

[Heretic Machine]

I'm betting we'll see it for $200, considering that it's essentially a buffed Gamecube with some new features. I'll pay up to $250 to get it at launch though.

[Doctor Setebos]

While I love the idea that this is true, I'm not so sure about the source. Engadget got this news from Go Nintendo, who got the news by doing a Google translation of a Yahoo Finance Japan news release (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fheadlines.yahoo.co.jp%2Fh l%3Fa%3D20051227-00000168-jij-biz&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools). Now, someone go there and read that horrendously translated gibberish and tell me they can actually parse this news from that.

What we actually need is someone fluent in Japanese to tell us what the original news post says. Is there someone here qualified for that?

[joruussuun]

Add in the fact that the Rev actually seems to be somewhat affordable (meaning less than a mortgage payment) and I'm could actually see myself buying it at launch.
Damn how much is your mortgage payment? A PlayStation 3 will probably be less than my mortgage payment! :D
Yeah, I can't wait for the Revolution. I'm guessing $199 at launch like the Cube.
I'm super excited like I haven't been in a long time.

[AspectVoid]

199.00 = Kelegacy buying at launch. I'm giddy over the thoughts of this system like I haven't been for ages. Gameology over technology...I love it.

I'm going to wait until there are actually some games announced for it to get giddy. A piece of hardware with no games is kinda hard to be excited for. I don't really get up for potential.

[fushi]

The Yahoo article only states that the Rev will be cheaper than the 360, it doesn't state any set prices.

What a scoop, engadget.

Edit: although, it's a VERY logical deduction.

[automaton]

I'm pretty much decided on purchasing a Revolution at launch. I'm definitely waiting to see what the games look like, but it is Nintendo's game to lose in my house at this point. Hell, I bought a Gamecube at launch. I'm 98% sure they can come up with something to top Luigi Mansion and Waverace Blue Storm.

[BenN1ce]

$200 is ripoff. $150 of nothing for me. I'm not paying 2-3 hundred for gamecube 1.25 and an experimental controller. This will be the last console Nintendo ever makes so hey...you can own a piece of history.

[thecrazyd]

$200 is ripoff. $150 of nothing for me. I'm not paying 2-3 hundred for gamecube 1.25 and an experimental controller. This will be the last console Nintendo ever makes so hey...you can own a piece of history.
Oh no! They may have lost the stupid troll demographic!

[joruussuun]

$200 is ripoff. $150 of nothing for me. I'm not paying 2-3 hundred for gamecube 1.25 and an experimental controller. This will be the last console Nintendo ever makes so hey...you can own a piece of history.
Oh, well argued! 'This will be the last console Nintendo ever makes...' Why? Because you say so or believe it to be so? Or heard it from some Internet troll? Nintendo is a very profitable and healthy company... I couldn't find numbers for this year yet, but according to this article ('http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/12046998.htm') (down near the bottom):
Nintendo's 21 percent profit margin in 2004 was more than triple that of Sony's PlayStation business, whose margins were 6 percent last year. Microsoft has not made money from its video game venture.
and:
That has added to Nintendo's cash hoard of $7.5 billion. Although some of that money will be spent in preparation for the launch of its new console, the company is likely to retain much of that cushion.

"Nintendo is a world-class rich company," said Yuta Sakurai, an analyst at Nomura Securities Financial & Economic Research Center.
Nintendo has been around for over 100 years in one form or another. It's not going to give in the towel. Period.

[Ajguy]

Basically, I'm excited for the lower price because I can afford one to go with my lovely 360 (sorry, Sony. It'll take more than an MGS4 trailer to get me to buy your system). Between the internet capabilities of both systems and the unique features of each, I'll be in gaming heaven.

I just hope less than $300 means it will be $299. Still, $200 sounds reasonable given what we know about the systems specs. Now give us some games, Nintendo!

[Morratut]

The price sounds promising :cool:

I can't however get exicited yet about a Revolution just yet. I got burned on the last 2 nintendo consoles i bought. I only ended up really playing Turok, Goldeneye,Zelda OoT,RE1,RE0,RE4 out of the last nintendo consoles. I've never been that excited about mario personally :o . I'm not that bothered about the nintendo back catalogue either. Too many games in current gen to play. I definitley wouldn't pay for them thats for sure.

I need to know its gonna get good 3rd party support for me. I'm very cautious at the moment. Bloody hell, didn't mean to sound so negative.

I'll have to wait and see :confused:

[Schnoogs]

Gameology over technology...I love it.

Chalk up one more victom of clever marketing.

[thecrazyd]

Chalk up one more victom of clever marketing.
Or... past experience on Nintendo consoles?

[fushi]

$200 is ripoff. $150 of nothing for me. I'm not paying 2-3 hundred for gamecube 1.25 and an experimental controller. This will be the last console Nintendo ever makes so hey...you can own a piece of history.
Get banned.

[automaton]

I'd like to forego buying a PS3. I just wish that Sony didn't have Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Sucker Punch, and Fumeto Ueda on their side...

[bean19]

$200 is ripoff. $150 of nothing for me. I'm not paying 2-3 hundred for gamecube 1.25 and an experimental controller. This will be the last console Nintendo ever makes so hey...you can own a piece of history.

I'd agree with you. . . except for the success of the DS. If they can make cool games that provide new game experiences like the DS provides then it will be a success.

[bean19]

I'd like to forego buying a PS3. I just wish that Sony didn't have Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Sucker Punch, and Fumeto Ueda on their side...

Yeah, I'm sort of thinking the same thing. It looks really expensive, and I just don't want to fork down the money, but they'll probably have some exclusives that I'll enjoy on it. Of course, we don't KNOW that yet. Can't wait for E3.

[drakkarim]

"under 300" was a statement for the shareholders, i.e. they're saying they're going to try to make some more money off of this new generation.

[fable2323]

Nintendo has always made a profit on their machines out of the gate. I am sure the Revolution will be a money maker on day one. Also, Nintendo has never released a home console for any other price then $199, so expect the Revolution to be priced the same.
Sony has also always launched at $299, expect similar pricing there as well.

[jeffool]

Since the revelation of their 'going for gameplay over graphics', I've decided that Nintendo was going to be my console of choice this gen. I'll possibly get a 'powerhorse' too, if too many developers decide to skip them, though I doubt that'll happen. (And if I do, it'll be the 360. I love me some online gaming.)

[Worldcrafter]

You nay-sayers can complain all you want. Meanwhile, when the Revolution launches, I'm going to be playing Zelda:TP (and/or some crazy new Revolution game) with my new Revolution and still have money in the bank. I think what Nintendo is attempting is a great idea, and I intend to support them from day 1.

That goes for all consoles as well. I'll get a 360 when I can find one, and if Sony can convince me the PS3 is worth its salt, I'll get it as well. So far the Revolution is the only console I have been excited about getting on launch day, and it's the only console that has made me excited before even seeing any games for it.

Maybe I have too much disposable income, but anything under $300 sounds good to me (though I except the price to be closer to $200).

[Doctor Setebos]

I don't really care what the price is. My wife tells me we're getting a Revolution when it comes out. Period.

My wife, people. She isn't a gamer. I tell her I don't buy any system once it launches, and she says to me this one you will. I have forseen it.

My wife wants a Revolution AND is quoting Star Wars! My world is turning upside down!

[midrael]

My gaming budget is pretty small, so I've pretty much opted to avoid the next-gen consoles at launch, choosing to wait til the price drops. But if the Rev comes out the gate for $199, that sounds like it's right in my price zone. It may well be the first new console I buy, even coming out a full year after the 360.

I'm still waiting to see what games come along for the system, but I'll echo someone else's sentiment in this thread that it's Nintendo's game to lose at the moment as far as I'm concerned.

[Kelegacy]

Chalk up one more victom of clever marketing.
Does it hurt to be that stupid?

[BenN1ce]

The Revolution WILL BE the last console Nintendo makes. They will dominate the handheld systems instead and then they will start making games for MS and Sony. Sorry to break the news. I have nothing against Nintendo whatsoever so you can kill the stupid troll talk. They just won't be able to compete with MS and Sony when it comes to consoles.

[cjrizzo]

YAWWNN. First off, there is nothing here that sheds anything of substance. Second, there is no way that I will pay more than $150. I got burned on the GC and N64 and I'm not doing it again. Third party support is going to be a problem (as it has been for a while) and I'm not going to commit to support the system until Nintendo can show some commitment on their part and some semblance of third-party support. I'm not a Nintendo hater, but they need to have third-parties involved to be successful - they simply do not make enough games in a year that I am interested in.

[Balthasar]

I'm also incredibly stoked to get access to the huge back library of games. Of course, the question always begs to be asked... WILL CHRONO TRIGGER BE ON THE LIST?!?
Extremely unlikely. Square Enix have been re-releasing their own titles at full price or near-full price. Selling that one at a discount through Nintendo's service and allowing Nintendo to cut into their profit margins like that doesn't seem likely at all.

[Rafer]

Nintendo has always made a profit on their machines out of the gate. I am sure the Revolution will be a money maker on day one. Also, Nintendo has never released a home console for any other price then $199, so expect the Revolution to be priced the same.
Sony has also always launched at $299, expect similar pricing there as well.

Except what's different now is how low the specs are for the revolution (less than 128mb ram?), it doesn't seem to be as big a jump as from the snes -> n64 or n64 -> gamecube. At $200 you'd think it would be closer to the 360 in specs, like Gamecube compared to the XBOX.

Like I'm optimistic about the Revolution, but if it was $200 I'd be a little hesitant to pick one up unless they include some extra stuff like a game or memory card or some free online stuff.

[thecrazyd]

The Revolution WILL BE the last console Nintendo makes. They will dominate the handheld systems instead and then they will start making games for MS and Sony. Sorry to break the news. I have nothing against Nintendo whatsoever so you can kill the stupid troll talk. They just won't be able to compete with MS and Sony when it comes to consoles.
Man, were you born that stupid, or have you suffered major brain damage? Nintendo is not going third party. They never will. I would point out articles with more in depth reasoning, but I am not sure you are fully literate. As is, accept this: THEY ALWAYS MAKE MONEY. THEY DO NOT LOSE MONEY ON HARDWARE. THEY DO NOT NEED TO BE NUMBER ONE TO WIN THE CONSOLE WAR.

Now blow, troll.

[smashp]

Sony has also always launched at $299, expect similar pricing there as well.

yeah.. except the original playstation was 399.00 when it launched, and they've only made 2 consoles.. hmmm.

[Mr. Lake]

Not bad, but still I'm so over the marketing hype of "under $X00". One dollar less is not a discount when you're shelling out that kind of cash. I think I'd still rather pick up an old N64 for $50 and grab an emu-cart for the old games. Castlevania II and Mario Kart 64... good times.

[Furious Wang]

"Less than 300" means 299.

[midrael]

The Revolution WILL BE the last console Nintendo makes. They will dominate the handheld systems instead and then they will start making games for MS and Sony. Sorry to break the news. I have nothing against Nintendo whatsoever so you can kill the stupid troll talk. They just won't be able to compete with MS and Sony when it comes to consoles.

Astounding. Why would they cease console development if they are making a profit with their business? If it was losing money, sure I could understand this line of thinking, but their profit margins regarding consoles are higher than either of their two competitors. Sony and MS might push more units sold, but as long as Nintendo is making money on them, I don't particularly understand why they would cease production of consoles.

Now of course, if you have credentials of clairvoyance, perhaps we could take that statement more seriously.

Anyways, that aside, someone else mentioned that under 300 means 299. That's very plausable. If so, I probably wouldn't pick it up right away (limited budget). But if the rumors regarding the specs are true, then I would be surprised to see them release the console at the same price point as the core 360 system.

[Kelegacy]

Nintendo is dead, face it everyone. They make shitty hardware, shitty games, and the only people that play their games are children or adults who still live with their parents and watch Disney Channel.

And anyone who doesn't agree with me probably has an above average intelligence.

[ackbrack]

And anyone who doesn't agree with me probably has an above average intelligence.

Nice one.

blah blah, 10 characters.

[jeffbax]

yeah.. except the original playstation was 399.00 when it launched, and they've only made 2 consoles.. hmmm.
Saturn was 399, PSX was 299

And as for "Nintendo is doomed" people, grow up, if you are so sure about it quit trolling.

I am really looking forward to Rev, neither 360 nor PS3 has me excited, I'd be all over DS right now if I didn't get bored with Handhelds so easily, it has such amazing games, and I'm sure Rev will be similarly exciting for developers.

Having only ever owned a Cube (briefly a N64) I look forward to the back catalogue too.

[Hellstorm]

Chalk up one more victom of clever marketing.

Why? Did he buy a 360???

[[Jez]]

Nintendo is dead, face it everyone. They make shitty hardware, shitty games, and the only people that play their games are children or adults who still live with their parents and watch Disney Channel.

And anyone who doesn't agree with me probably has an above average intelligence.
I'm an adult who live with his folks and I some times watch the Disney Channel as well and even I know Nintendo isnt dead :)

[Hellstorm]

Here are the Christmas week sales numbers from Japan:

DS - 597,628
PSP - 161,332
PS2 - 97,475
GC - 36,646
GBASP - 35,764
GBM - 19,261
Xbox360 - 5,674
GBA - 906
Xbox - 141

To put it in perspective, the DS, has sold more in ONE week than MS has managed in FOUR years and TWO systems. If anyone is going to go third-party it's MS. Halo for everyone!!!

[The Iron Weasel]

To put it in perspective, the DS, has sold more in ONE week than MS has managed in FOUR years and TWO systems. If anyone is going to go third-party it's MS. Halo for everyone!!!

To be fair thats only japan. I'm gonna get a Revolution for sure though, anyone who didn't get a gamecube missed out on some great games that your not going to find on PS2 or Xbox, and I imagine that the Rev will be the same thing.

[Coolnut]

To put it in perspective, the DS, has sold more in ONE week than MS has managed in FOUR years and TWO systems. If anyone is going to go third-party it's MS. Halo for everyone!!!

First, it's Japan, where the gaijin and their products are worse than unwelcome.

Second, isn't Halo already for anyone with a decent-specced PC?

[Hellstorm]

To be fair thats only japan. I'm gonna get a Revolution for sure though, anyone who didn't get a gamecube missed out on some great games that your not going to find on PS2 or Xbox, and I imagine that the Rev will be the same thing.

Of course it's Japan. But that also doesn't alter the facts that the DS has been outselling the PSP in the US and Europe since the launch of Nintendogs. This is also the first time a system has sold more than it has in its launch week EVER in Japan as well.

The Rev is the console version, atleast in the eyes of Nintendo, of the DS. Which goes to show that cool, innovative, and great software that appeals to all people can have a profound impact on hardware sales.

BTW, hope Mistwalker didn't put all their eggs in the wrong basket.

[Kelegacy]

It is amazing to see the DS do so well. I'm glad. I was a DS hater, big time. I thought the machine was stupid in design, was going to be a Nintendo game rehash system, and I laughed at the shit launch. Now I've completely changed my tune. In fact, I've changed so much that I now see the practicality of the Revolution. I want to play games. I don't care if they are all fantastic Hi-Def things of beauty. I just want to continue to play games where developers aren't weeded out by development costs and games suddenly cost 60 bucks a pop for consumers. The costs to the industry are also more than monetary with each new technological leap.

I don't need my videogames to be realistic, to look like photos or movies. I want to escape and play games. That's all.

And I'm buying a DS this weekend. That's sick, how a man can do a 180--not a 360--and change his mind entirely.

[bapenguin]

launching at 200 is fine...but I'm curious to see the cost of their ROMs. We better not be seeing $9.99 price points or higher on these badboys. Remember, this is the same company that sold their GBA Classics at 19.99 a piece.

[Worldcrafter]

It is amazing to see the DS do so well. I'm glad. I was a DS hater, big time. I thought the machine was stupid in design, was going to be a Nintendo game rehash system, and I laughed at the shit launch. Now I've completely changed my tune.
...
And I'm buying a DS this weekend. That's sick, how a man can do a 180--not a 360--and change his mind entirely.

Welcome brother.

Yeah, I keep doubting Nintendo, and they keep exceeding my expectations. Maybe it's because I bought a Virtual Boy at launch, but since then, Nintendo hasn't been letting me down. Recently I've been playing Castlvania DS and it's frickin fantastic. It's just like playing SotN, but with a new combat system and enemies. I just can't put that game down.

As a side note, I still really like playing "Wario Land" and "Red Alert" on my Virtual Boy. They're both really fun games.

[Spigot]

Extremely unlikely. Square Enix have been re-releasing their own titles at full price or near-full price. Selling that one at a discount through Nintendo's service and allowing Nintendo to cut into their profit margins like that doesn't seem likely at all.
I kind of figured this was the case. I just wish they'd hurry up and get on with it. They must know that they'd sell about 8 million copies of ChronoTrigger if they released it in a portable cartridge form. Heck, the only reason I'd run out and get a PSP at the moment would be to install some homebrew emulators and my CT ROM.

I know they're doing FFVI soon, so if the gaming gods are benificent, we shall soon see a CT remake one of these days...

Sigh.

I wonder if the third party devs like Squeenix could sign deals for some of the games like CT to cost more than the normal ROM cost.

[Kelegacy]

I kind of figured this was the case. I just wish they'd hurry up and get on with it. They must know that they'd sell about 8 million copies of ChronoTrigger if they released it in a portable cartridge form. Heck, the only reason I'd run out and get a PSP at the moment would be to install some homebrew emulators and my CT ROM.

I know they're doing FFVI soon, so if the gaming gods are benificent, we shall soon see a CT remake one of these days...

Sigh.

I wonder if the third party devs like Squeenix could sign deals for some of the games like CT to cost more than the normal ROM cost.
They've been purposely saving FFVI for last...they know it's still a goddamn cash cow and one of the best in the series. That asshole Kefka (the villain, not the forum member!)...I hated him.

[Spigot]

They've been purposely saving FFVI for last...they know it's still a goddamn cash cow and one of the best in the series. That asshole Kefka (the villain, not the forum member!)...I hated him.
He was the best Final Fantasy villain of all time. I know they're saving the best for last, but hurry up already!

Weren't they making it a DS version? Or am I hallucinating? I could have sworn that in the announcement for the remake of FFIV there was a mention of FFVI or another of the classic Square games being done as a DS conversion.

Mmm... CT as a DS convo. It's acronymilicious!

[mister_slim]

I find it very amusing that four different Nintendo systems are outselling the 360 in Japan. Also interesting, is that Nintendo sold almost as many DS's in one week in Japan as MS has sold 360's since launch in America.

[Ajguy]

He was the best Final Fantasy villain of all time. I know they're saving the best for last, but hurry up already!

Weren't they making it a DS version? Or am I hallucinating? I could have sworn that in the announcement for the remake of FFIV there was a mention of FFVI or another of the classic Square games being done as a DS conversion.

Mmm... CT as a DS convo. It's acronymilicious!

It's Final Fantasy 3 that is being remade. It has never been localized for English before. Also, it is being completely redone for the DS, including new 3D graphics (kinda looks like the Crystal Chronicles art style).

[Achilles]

I fully expect the Rev to ship for $200, I don’t think it’ll ship for $150 because I have a feeling that $150 is their cost.Gameology over technology...I love it.Isn't the new controller device- technology? Seems like technology. Like the Eye Toy, a new piece of technology that opens up new control options. Funny how the system with the least information about how the games will play, or what the games will be has gameplay as the #1 fan draw. Based solely on it being different somehow in a way that has yet to be described in terms of a real game.

[Spigot]

It's Final Fantasy 3 that is being remade. It has never been localized for English before. Also, it is being completely redone for the DS, including new 3D graphics (kinda looks like the Crystal Chronicles art style).
Are you sure it's Final Fantasy 3 and not Final Fantasy 6? Or is it 3 that's beind done for the DS and 6 that is just being reissued a la FF4?

Note my lack of roman numerals.
Hindu-Arabic numerals FTW!

[GWhite]

Hindu-Arabic numerals FTW!

The fact that Roman numerals were once used for actual math and not just stylistic purposes scares me.

[Kelegacy]

I fully expect the Rev to ship for $200, I don’t think it’ll ship for $150 because I have a feeling that $150 is their cost.Isn't the new controller device- technology? Seems like technology. Like the Eye Toy, a new piece of technology that opens up new control options. Funny how the system with the least information about how the games will play, or what the games will be has gameplay as the #1 fan draw. Based solely on it being different somehow in a way that has yet to be described in terms of a real game.

Maybe, but I'm not talking about the controller. See, I keep forgetting that the "revolution" part of the Revolution is the controller. I'm talking about a marginally more powerful console aimed at not dominating your living room as a multimedia system, but solely as a videogame console. That's focus, and something I admire.

The ability to plug in my Gamecube controllers is great, too, but using the Revolution controller for normal games? Even turning it sideways makes it just a NES pad, and I fear it wont be as comfortable as a "normal" controller. If games appear on the Revolution that don't use the gizmos and tech in the Revo controller, what're we supposed to use? Is the Gamecube the standard controller for "normal" games, too?

[Kagger]

Are you sure it's Final Fantasy 3 and not Final Fantasy 6? Or is it 3 that's beind done for the DS and 6 that is just being reissued a la FF4?

Note my lack of roman numerals.
Hindu-Arabic numerals FTW!


FF4, FF5, and FF6 are going to be released (or are released) on GBA.

FF3, the one that has never been brought to the US yet, is being remade for the DS with 3D graphics. It looks pretty sweet, I have the picture, but it's on the other computer.

[Setzer_83]

i am ready for whatever ensues from this following statement but here we go:

FF5 was THE BEST IN THE SERIES. I have played it like 4 times. The job system was perfect. seriously worth it (to me atleast) to pick up a psp just to get this rom.

[holycrapper]

Oh no! They may have lost the stupid troll demographic!

Sig worthy, N fanboi for life! cept for that crappy virtual boy.

PS I used to think that nintendo was going down too, but i have been proven wrong, they make money on everything they sell, and they are dominating the global market, they have something like 60% of the total japanese market, and thier DS is killing the psp, fucking piece of crap, well i shouldn't say that, but the psp has no games, it is annoying.

[Balthasar]

PS I used to think that nintendo was going down too, but i have been proven wrong, they make money on everything they sell, and they are dominating the global market, they have something like 60% of the total japanese market, and thier DS is killing the psp, fucking piece of crap, well i shouldn't say that, but the psp has no games, it is annoying.

What does that mean, 60% of the market? Considering they are pretty far beind Sony in home console sales both in Japan and elsewhere, that figure sounds pretty suspect. Perhaps you mean handheld market?

[sTubbs]

What does that mean, 60% of the market? Considering they are pretty far beind Sony in home console sales both in Japan and elsewhere, that figure sounds pretty suspect. Perhaps you mean handheld market?

Sure Nintendo lags behind Sony in console sales, but their handhelds sell like they grant eternal fucking life. If everything is included (console sales, handheld sales, software sales) it would not surprise me if Nintendo held 60 percent of the total gaming market in Japan.

As for the Revolution, the system intrigues me with its brilliant potential, but I am trying to restrain my excitement until it is known just how much of that potential will be tapped. Right now it is definitely going to be a great second console to pair with the 360 or PS3 but it could easily be my primary choice if the software support is good enough. (a pretty big IF following the GameCube support)

[Balthasar]

Sure Nintendo lags behind Sony in console sales, but their handhelds sell like they grant eternal fucking life. If everything is included (console sales, handheld sales, software sales) it would not surprise me if Nintendo held 60 percent of the total gaming market in Japan.

You can't just combine handheld and console sales, as they are completely different, non-competing markets. Secondly, if you tried to throw in software sales, Sony would win by volume alone. 60% is prima facie fallacious.

[MEManBob77]

$150-250
nintendo isn't expensive like sony or microsoft

[Spigot]

i am ready for whatever ensues from this following statement but here we go:

FF5 was THE BEST IN THE SERIES. I have played it like 4 times. The job system was perfect. seriously worth it (to me atleast) to pick up a psp just to get this rom.
I agree that FF5 was awesome. And you've gotta love a game with a main character (or was it his chocobo) named Buttz.

That job system was fantastic. Now that I think about it, I want to go back and work on FF Tactics some more... not the GBA one, but the stupidly difficult PS1 version. Sigh. I'll never finish that game...

[Setzer_83]

I agree that FF5 was awesome. And you've gotta love a game with a main character (or was it his chocobo) named Buttz.

That job system was fantastic. Now that I think about it, I want to go back and work on FF Tactics some more... not the GBA one, but the stupidly difficult PS1 version. Sigh. I'll never finish that game...

i beat tactics 3 times (i have no life) and it is awesome to. The hardest part was the last areas. (kind of a spoiler) fighting those guys that kept turning into zodiac beasts was hard.

You can't just combine handheld and console sales, as they are completely different, non-competing markets. Secondly, if you tried to throw in software sales, Sony would win by volume alone. 60% is prima facie fallacious.

I think we were talking about how much money nintendo was making. look at the sales in japan. Pretty much every week the GCN and the DS out sell everything else COMBINED. Live with it sony fan boys, your toast. And with reports of "PS3 buggy as hell" coming in near daily, and sony's refusal to show any actual in game footage (we all know that killzone trailer was a fake). it is sony, not nintendo, that won't see a console after this round.

[Balthasar]

i beat tactics 3 times (i have no life) and it is awesome to. The hardest part was the last areas. (kind of a spoiler) fighting those guys that kept turning into zodiac beasts was hard.
I thought the last areas were the easiest parts, actually. Especially since by then I would already have a mastered Calculator (usually as my secondary job). The chocobos fight was by far the hardest fight for me.

I think we were talking about how much money nintendo was making.
You can't measure market share in profit margin. That doesn't make any sense.

look at the sales in japan. Pretty much every week the GCN and the DS out sell everything else COMBINED.
Two months of good sales cannot negate 5 years of complete dominance. And again, you cannot combine the handheld market with the home console market.

Live with it sony fan boys, your toast. And with reports of "PS3 buggy as hell" coming in near daily, and sony's refusal to show any actual in game footage (we all know that killzone trailer was a fake). it is sony, not nintendo, that won't see a console after this round.

I could care less, man. I'm not a Sony fanboy.

[mister_slim]

Two months of good sales cannot negate 5 years of complete dominance. And again, you cannot combine the handheld market with the home console market.
Actually, the DS already has a quarter of the PS2's Japan install base. And who knows how many of those PS2s still work.

[Balthasar]

Actually, the DS already has a quarter of the PS2's Japan install base. And who knows how many of those PS2s still work.
25%=100%?

Also, the DS and the PS2 are not in direct competition, for the last time.

[mister_slim]

Also, the DS and the PS2 are not in direct competition, for the last time.
They're the only things on the game sales charts. Who is competing then?

[Setzer_83]

Also, the DS and the PS2 are not in direct competition, for the last time.

seriously, nintendo and sony are in direct competition, for the last time.

[Achilles]

Here are the Christmas week sales numbers from Japan:

DS - 597,628
PSP - 161,332
PS2 - 97,475
GC - 36,646
GBASP - 35,764
GBM - 19,261
Xbox360 - 5,674
GBA - 906
Xbox - 141

To put it in perspective, the DS, has sold more in ONE week than MS has managed in FOUR years and TWO systems. If anyone is going to go third-party it's MS. Halo for everyone!!!If Japan was the only country on earth you'd be very right there.

A few great games made the DS a very big deal over the last couple months. That's what the PSP needs. If 3rd parties can't give it to them, Sony first party needs to step up. Wild Arms PSP anyone?

I'm just glad it's getting Valkyrie Profile, that'll sell me one.

Hey Hellstorm, how much did DOA 4 sell over there? The numbers on Magic Box aren't as current as these. Based on how many Japanese players were on when it shipped here I'd say it probably sold 15-20k units over there. Since it shipped over here the number of players online has gone up by 10 times.

For competition; the only competition going on over there right now is the PSP vs the DS, and the DS vs the micro and GBA. The DS is winning handily in both areas presently. Nothing is even touching the PS2 in the console market.

[Setzer_83]

A few great games made the DS a very big deal over the last couple months. That's what the PSP needs. If 3rd parties can't give it to them, Sony first party needs to step up. Wild Arms PSP anyone?

I'm just glad it's getting Valkyrie Profile, that'll sell me one.

are you seriously still saying that the psp still has a chance to beat the ds. And its it isn't a few great games, try atleast 15. the psp doesn't stand a chance unless sony stups updating and excepts that homebrew is going to be on.

[Achilles]

are you seriously still saying that the psp still has a chance to beat the ds. And its it isn't a few great games, try atleast 15. the psp doesn't stand a chance unless sony stups updating and excepts that homebrew is going to be on.Looking at the chart it's a few games in the last couple months that have really put it over the top. Namely Animal Crossing, Tamagotchi, and Mario Kart. Till then it was about even with the PSP. Pokemon Fushigi no Dungeon is doing pretty well too, but its total sales aren't as high as the other three.

Based on the boost the DS got from those games, which was something in the order of 200k units per week, yeah I think if the PSP got something similar it could catch up pretty darn fast and maybe overtake it. Keep in mind it’s not really behind by all that much; 1.5 to 2 million units, and that’s what the DS has done in the last 2 months. So I don’t see why 2 good months for the PSP couldn’t reverse it.

So your analysis is that no matter what games the PSP releases, it’ll never catch up with or exceed the DS.

[Schnoogs]

Or... past experience on Nintendo consoles?

Even better....

N64...good for 2 games.

GameCube...good for 2 games.

I think I'll borrow my friends again when I want to play the 2 worthwhile games on the Revolution.

[El-Rodente]

Oh no! They may have lost the stupid troll demographic!


i thought they all owned PS2s anyway



You can't measure market share in profit margin. That doesn't make any sense.

and i don't think it was much to do with market share, if people are saying "it's the last console nintendo will make" the amount of money they are making is proof they can afford to do whatever the hell they want.

[51|RandoM]

Nintendo is winning the game they're playing, which appears to be called "making a profit".

[mister_slim]

Nintendo is winning the game they're playing, which appears to be called "making a profit".
They also seem to be winning the 'provide mister_slim with entertainment' game.

[Balthasar]

seriously, nintendo and sony are in direct competition, for the last time.

If by that you mean the PSP and the DS/GBA are in direct competition, and the PS2 and Gamecube are in direct competition, yes. The DS does not compete with the PS2 for sales. They are different markets, for the last time.

[Balthasar]

and i don't think it was much to do with market share, if people are saying "it's the last console nintendo will make" the amount of money they are making is proof they can afford to do whatever the hell they want.
No, my comment was a direct response to someone's claim that Nintendo has 60% of some unidentified "market." That claim being blatently incorrect, of course (unless we mean handheld market, in which case it's probably higher than 60%--in the case of consoles, it's probably a bit below 20%).

[TheKeck]

Don't know if anybody will ever see this post on this old thread but I just had a revelation, of sorts.


NES Launch - $199.99

SNES Launch - $199.99

N64 Launch - $199.99

Gamecube Launch - $199.99

Revolution Launch - I'm guessing $199.99!