Gamespot Names Game of the Year

[automaton]

Gamespot has announced their game of the year (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/features/bestof2005/index.php?day=6) for 2005. No suprises really, but I'll let you click on the link to find out for yourself.

Our most prestigious award goes to the single greatest game of the year--the game that moved us, impressed us, and entertained us like none other. Since we play and enjoy hundreds of games each year, it isn't easy to settle on a winner--and especially not this year, in which there were so many excellent games that settling on just one absolute best of the best was a rather painstaking challenge. So, before we celebrate the winner of GameSpot's 2005 Game of the Year Award, we wish to sincerely congratulate the 10 finalists. These are the best games of the year, and considering the competition, their achievement is remarkable.I hear people bitch about the line-up of Gamecube games on this site all the time. It is interesting to note that a Gamecube title has won Gamespot's game of the year award for 3 of the last 4 years. Discuss...

[Evil Avatar]

It is interesting to note that a Gamecube title has won Gamespot's game of the year award for 3 of the last 4 years. Discuss...

Resident Evil 4 is a multiplatform title. ;)

[OSX]

Resident Evil 4 is a multiplatform title. ;)

The fact that it was GOTY on the other platform is arguable.

Thats the thing about owning a Gamecube. With other systems, you get pretty good games alot of the time. Gamecube owners suffer suffer suffer and then are treated with a gaming gem every 2-3 months or so.

Cant understand why Shadow of the Colossus wasnt included. Shame.

[Evil Avatar]

The sad thing is that you can smell the bias from a mile away. They picked the Xbox 360 version of Quake 4 as the game with the worst framerate of the year, but I've been playing it and I haven't really noticed any framerate issues at all - and when you compare it to Half-Life 2 on the Xbox, which is almost a slideshow from the very beginning, you can see that they had some adjenda to push.

I guess they just thought it was fun to pick on Quake 4 for some reason.

[OSX]

Now that you mention it, whats with Guild Wars over WoW?

[Evil Avatar]

Now that you mention it, whats with Guild Wars over WoW?

Yea, that was another weird one. I like Guild Wars, but WoW is the superior title and they don't mention WoW in any of the articles I read and I see Guild Wars getting mentioned again and again.

[Roman]

The sad thing is that you can smell the bias from a mile away. They picked the Xbox 360 version of Quake 4 as the game with the worst framerate of the year, but I've been playing it and I haven't really noticed any framerate issues at all Have you played multi?

It's PLAYABLE, I'll say that, but there's no excuse for it to be as choppy as it is on a three-core 512 MB console.

As for RE, it's one of the few things that almost spurred me into buying a gamecube. I'll have to make do when I buy a PS2, though I'll miss out on the eye candy.

[Evil Avatar]

And what is with making you click on some lame video to find out the winner in any category?

[Evil Avatar]

Have you played multi?

It's PLAYABLE, I'll say that, but there's no excuse for it to be as choppy as it is on a three-core 512 MB console.

No, I was playing it before the Xbox 360 was available to the public. Even if the multiplayer framerate is horrible, that isn't what they showed in the video that you click on to find out the winner (in fact, I don't see any slowdown at all in the video they showed... Heh) and you only have to pop in Half-Life 2 for a few seconds to see that HL2's framerate is about half what Quake 4's is.

[UnderHero5]

Now that you mention it, whats with Guild Wars over WoW?

Well, WoW came out last year, Guild Wars came out this year.

A game from last year can't win GOTY for this year. Doesn't work that way.

As for RE4, I still haven't played it. I really got a bad taste in my mouth with RE2 and haven't been able to bring myself to pick up RE4 even with all the great reviews. I just remember wandering around lost... with nothing to fight... just completely lost in RE2. For hours. And then trading it in.

I might actually have to pick RE4 up though.
For anyone who has played, how do the controls work? Do you aim with the C Stick? I sure hope not (left handed here).

Edit: Ooooh, I just checked a faq and found that you aim using the left thumbstick... woohoo! I'm picking this game up next week then, hehe.
Okay, a new question now... (not that anyone is answering them)... GCN or PS2 version? I know the PS2 version has some extras... but are they worth the worse graphics and no Wavebird?

[Wyrm]

The GC version is far superior. I goddamn hate the load times on PS2 and the graphics just look so dated.

[SMES]

The GC version is far superior. I goddamn hate the load times on PS2 and the graphics just look so dated.

This is the exact post I planned to make.

Graphics looks about the same to my untrained eye, but the load times are a noticable bit longer. That alone is a good enough reason for me to get the GC version.

Merry Xmas to all, and to all a good night.

[Hellstorm]

Rare am cry!

[Morrolan]

I thought they were pretty good choices, though I don't think Ninja Gaiden Black should have even been eligable to win anything. RE4 is a great choice for GotY.

[Stormeh]

Civ4 > RE4

Yeah, having to watch the video to see their pick is pretty lame.

[Balthasar]

The sad thing is that you can smell the bias from a mile away. They picked the Xbox 360 version of Quake 4 as the game with the worst framerate of the year, but I've been playing it and I haven't really noticed any framerate issues at all - and when you compare it to Half-Life 2 on the Xbox, which is almost a slideshow from the very beginning, you can see that they had some adjenda to push.

And what agenda is that?

I guess they just thought it was fun to pick on Quake 4 for some reason.

That's pretty random to be accusing them of having some weird bias, don't you think? It's amazing how often people forget critics are not machines that generate absolute values in the field they critique. It's okay if you disagree with them. It doesn't mean they're getting paid off by Valve under the table, and it doesn't mean you're blind.

[Borys]

Why do people even bother with the inferior 360 version of Quake 4?

[Balthasar]

This is the exact post I planned to make.

Graphics looks about the same to my untrained eye, but the load times are a noticable bit longer. That alone is a good enough reason for me to get the GC version.

The graphics are almost identical. If you already got the PS2 version, you're wasting your money on that GC version, considering the PS2 version has more content.

[Evil Avatar]

And what agenda is that?

That's pretty random to be accusing them of having some weird bias, don't you think? It's amazing how often people forget critics are not machines that generate absolute values in the field they critique. It's okay if you disagree with them. It doesn't mean they're getting paid off by Valve under the table, and it doesn't mean you're blind.

I think the agenda is just what I explained... they have something against Quake 4 for some reason. I didn't suggest that they were getting paid off (Though a lot of their choices do seem slightly suspect, but nothing close to the way Game$py seems to pick their Game of the Year.), just that they decided for some reason to pick Quake 4 on the Xbox 360 as their title to kick around, despite the fact that it runs just fine on the 360 and is pretty much a straight port of the PC version.

I hope that their editors are just stupid - as you have suggested, because you do have to be pretty much of a complete moron to pick Quake 4 (360) over Half-Life 2 (Xbox) as your slideshow-of-the-year title.

[Evil Avatar]

Why do people even bother with the inferior 360 version of Quake 4?

Because not everyone owns a GeForce 6800 or better video card?

[Balthasar]

I think the agenda is just what I explained... they have something against Quake 4 for some reason.

I think what I'm not clear on here is, if they have some agenda, what that agenda is, exactly. "Kicking around" Quake 4 would be how they execute that agenda, but what is this conspiracy, exactly? There are far better, more popular targets to pick. No offense, but not too many people give two shits about Quake anymore.

[buckfutter]

Also, Quake 4 (multi especially) is a much quicker game than Half-Life 2. A low framerate hurts a twitchy game more.

Also, they may be kicking it around just for the hell of it, but if they are I would have to guess that's because the game sucks. Well, at least compared to Half-Life 2.

[Stormwatcher]

I think the agenda is just what I explained... they have something against Quake 4 for some reason. I didn't suggest that they were getting paid off (Though a lot of their choices do seem slightly suspect, but nothing close to the way Game$py seems to pick their Game of the Year.), just that they decided for some reason to pick Quake 4 on the Xbox 360 as their title to kick around, despite the fact that it runs just fine on the 360 and is pretty much a straight port of the PC version.

I hope that their editors are just stupid - as you have suggested, because you do have to be pretty much of a complete moron to pick Quake 4 (360) over Half-Life 2 (Xbox) as your slideshow-of-the-year title.

So you acuse Gamespot's editors of being stupid right after another post where you complain that a 2004 game didn't run for any of the 2005 awards? Yeah, right. THEY are stupid...

BTW, quake 4 runs REALLY well on an athlon XP 2800+ with a geforce 6600GT (which should cost a tad more than two x360 games). Pitty that no hardware upgrade in the world will make the game less mediocre and devoid of any creativity. Thy should have made a dubious honor for the most derivative game of 2005 and hand it over to quake4. It's not bad, it is just a shinning jewel of not being special. Unlike RE4 and civ4, which are the paragons of changing something for better.

BTW, RE4 is a Gamecube game that got ported to the PS2 several months later.

[Spigot]

I'm with whoever asked where Shadow Of The Colossus was in that list of games. That definately wouldn't be MY Best Of 2005 list. Some of the games, sure, but not all of them.

RE4 is a great game though, regardless of the system. I never really cared for the RE franchise but RE4 was the first one of the series that I really enjoyed from start to finish.

I agree with Evil about having to click on the stupid video to see the winner. Laaaame.

[EvilBob46]

Yea, that was another weird one. I like Guild Wars, but WoW is the superior title and they don't mention WoW in any of the articles I read and I see Guild Wars getting mentioned again and again.

What the hell are you talking about?

1) WoW came out last year.
2) It was GameSpot's GOTY 2004.

Am I missing something here or are you just completely misinformed?

[AspectVoid]

Because not everyone owns a GeForce 6800 or better video card?

Yes, we call you people loosers and look down our noses at you. :D

Okay, all joking aside, I do not agree that RE4 is GotY. It has a large number of issues that I found to be extremely annoying. Things like not being able to move and aim at the same time. Being completely unable to dodge even though you're shown in the first 10 minutes that Leon is complete capable of rolling out of the way of danger, etc etc.

A friend of mine said it was to add tension to the game. I say its a design flaw, as I can do those things, and I am most certainly NOT a secret government agent.

[Steamtron]

The graphics are almost identical. If you already got the PS2 version, you're wasting your money on that GC version, considering the PS2 version has more content.

http://ruliweb3.dreamwiz.com/rulibo...t=&left=h&time=

Last of the Red Hot Mamas posted that in an earlier forum about the PS2 vs. GC RE4 debate and it does a really good job of showing off the graphical differences between the two versions. With that said, i bought the GC version about a month after it came out and since then have beaten it about 5 times and unlocked everything in the game on the way. This is unquestionnably my pick for GOTY and sits in my top 3 for this generation.
I know Metroid Prime won game of the year 4 years ago, but what was the other GC game that gave Nintendo GOTY for 3 of the past 4 years?

[The Iron Weasel]

http://ruliweb3.dreamwiz.com/rulibo...t=&left=h&time=

Last of the Red Hot Mamas posted that in an earlier forum about the PS2 vs. GC RE4 debate and it does a really good job of showing off the graphical differences between the two versions. With that said, i bought the GC version about a month after it came out and since then have beaten it about 5 times and unlocked everything in the game on the way. This is unquestionnably my pick for GOTY and sits in my top 3 for this generation.
I know Metroid Prime won game of the year 4 years ago, but what was the other GC game that gave Nintendo GOTY for 3 of the past 4 years?

I'm pretty sure Windwaker won something didn't it?

[notcivx]

I think the agenda is just what I explained... they have something against Quake 4 for some reason. I didn't suggest that they were getting paid off (Though a lot of their choices do seem slightly suspect, but nothing close to the way Game$py seems to pick their Game of the Year.), just that they decided for some reason to pick Quake 4 on the Xbox 360 as their title to kick around, despite the fact that it runs just fine on the 360 and is pretty much a straight port of the PC version.

I hope that their editors are just stupid - as you have suggested, because you do have to be pretty much of a complete moron to pick Quake 4 (360) over Half-Life 2 (Xbox) as your slideshow-of-the-year title.

It's good thing your opinion is right and theirs is wrong.

[Reanimated]

One good game a year doesn't make a good "line-up", chief. Not to mention the fact that the game is also on the PS2 with extra content.

[Madguy]

Most likely Quake 4 for Xbox 360 won best slideshow over HL2 for Xbox not because the GameSpot editors are "stupid" and "complete morons", but because it's an Xbox 360 game, and the fact that it has these sort of framerate issues is a little disconcerting. Of course HL2 for Xbox is going to have framerate issues, but it's pretty incredible that they got it onto the Xbox mostly unscathed in the first place. Considering Quake 4 is a Doom 3 engine game and Doom 3 was playable on the ORIGINAL Xbox, there's no reason Quake 4 should have the unstable framerate that it does.

[EvilBob46]

One good game a year doesn't make a good "line-up", chief. Not to mention the fact that the game is also on the PS2 with extra content.

The Gamecube has a "good line-up" because it has produced some of the most critically acclaimed games this generation. The PS2 and Xbox have their fair share of outstanding games and exclusives, but when it comes down to it, the difference between them and the Gamecube is just a couple hundred shitty games that no one in his right mind would ever play anyway. If you like a large, if ever so bloated, library of games (or unoriginal sports and racing games that make up most of the top games on the other consoles) to waste your money on, then yes, the Gamecube probably isn't for you. I'd still argue that the Cube has a strong line-up, but to each his own.

EDIT: The Gamecube also doesn't just have "one good" game a year. More like "one amazingly outstanding" game a year. Let's be correct here fellas.

[Draft]

EDIT: The Gamecube also doesn't just have "one good" game a year. More like "one amazingly outstanding" game a year. Let's be correct here fellas.Yes, let's be correct. The Xbox and PS2 have several amazing outstanding games a year, and dozens of above average games. The GCN has several amazing outstanding games a year, and 4 or 5 above average ones.

[makkura]

wow, i played none of the games who are nominated for game of the year, i must be out of touch.

[AversionFX]

Not really a big surprise here. I bought my GameCube solely for RE4.

EDIT: And how the hell was them awarding RE4 GOTY "biased"? WTF is that? If the GOTY had gone to an Xbox or PS2 title, how the hell would that have been "justified?" That's just plain stupid.

[Player 1]

So, please tell me, Nintendo loyalists, how is it that you always harp on about how graphics aren't important compared to gameplay? I mean, it's the basis for SO many of those damn Revolution and DS topics..

..yet the instant there's a Gamecube game that you regard to have better graphics in spite of having less gameplay content than it's PS2 cousin your argument changes to how significant graphics are and that makes it a better game.

Hmmm?

[Kelegacy]

Not enough Colossus love. Oh well, I guess it's an honor just to be nominated... :(

[Syl]

So, please tell me, Nintendo loyalists, how is it that you always harp on about how graphics aren't important compared to gameplay? I mean, it's the basis for SO many of those damn Revolution and DS topics..

..yet the instant there's a Gamecube game that you regard to have better graphics in spite of having less gameplay content than it's PS2 cousin your argument changes to how significant graphics are and that makes it a better game.

Hmmm?

For me, the Cube version of RE4 has better controls, but i've played through seperate ways and consider it an adequate reason to grab the PS2 version.

Either way, it is my favorite game of the year.

[Snoy Cracken]

So, please tell me, Nintendo loyalists, how is it that you always harp on about how graphics aren't important compared to gameplay? I mean, it's the basis for SO many of those damn Revolution and DS topics..

..yet the instant there's a Gamecube game that you regard to have better graphics in spite of having less gameplay content than it's PS2 cousin your argument changes to how significant graphics are and that makes it a better game.

Hmmm?
well, i believe this is a different situation, the gameplay is the same on both versions one just has more. and if you can have better graphics with no loss to the gameplay then why wouldnt you take it. so it all comes down to wether you believe the extra content is worth the drop in graphics. personly I havn't got around to picking this up yet, but when I do I plan on picking up the cube version and if I really like it I might pick up the ps2 version after it drops in price.

[Headcase]

Speaking as a GC fan, it's kind of stupid to name a GOTY in the first place. "This survival-horror is better than this strategy game which in turn is better than this first person shooter". In other news, apples are declared better than oranges.

If I had to pick my favourite game this year, you know what it would be? Either Super Mario Strikers (not even nominated for Gamecube game of the year, what the hell are you doing there NBA Street?) or Guitar Hero. To each their own. GOTYs are stupid system wars fuel.

I mean Gamecueb won!!11 rofl 3 out of the last 4 years xbox is for suxxors!!eleven

[Stormwatcher]

I personally think that MY game of the year is Civ, but I'm not mad at the fact that RE4 won it.

And DUH! whenever we say that gameplay is more important than graphics, we're not saying that we hate graphics. Between two versions of the SAME game, I'll surelly pick the one that looks better. For instance, I'm playing Prince of Persia 3 (unfortunatelly forgotten by gamespot) on my pc, because it looks better than the PS2 or Gamecube versions (both consoles I own).

Oh, I really like the videos.

[JRR006]

Agh, I picked up Resident Evil 4 for the PS2 last week. I'm really thinking I'll trade it in, and just borrow my cousin's GC copy next time I see him. I'm sure it deserves Game of the Year, it has that "great game" vibe, even from the smallish section I've played. With the controls, though, I just can't bring myself to enjoy it. Is there any general consensus about which system has the superior control scheme? For instance, on the GC, will the controls work *with* me, and not against me?

Disclaimer: My inability to master RE4's controls could very well just be the latest manifestation of my own shortcomings.

Anyway - GotY, I'll reiterate: Where's Shadow of the Colossus? Not even a mention? :(

[AspectVoid]

Agh, I picked up Resident Evil 4 for the PS2 last week. I'm really thinking I'll trade it in, and just borrow my cousin's GC copy next time I see him. I'm sure it deserves Game of the Year, it has that "great game" vibe, even from the smallish section I've played. With the controls, though, I just can't bring myself to enjoy it. Is there any general consensus about which system has the superior control scheme? For instance, on the GC, will the controls work *with* me, and not against me?

Disclaimer: My inability to master RE4's controls could very well just be the latest manifestation of my own shortcomings.

Anyway - GotY, I'll reiterate: Where's Shadow of the Colossus? Not even a mention? :(


I own the gamecube version and played the PS2 version. The controls (IMO) are pretty much the same. The scheme maps equally for the most part. The fact that the A button shoots and B reloads might help a bit. I perfer the PS2 version myself, though, as it has widescreen support (for my new TV) and I like the L and R buttons on the PS2 better then triggers on the gamecube for this type of game. My right index finger tends to hurt after playing the GC version because of the higher pressure needed.

[Kamalot]

My right index finger tends to hurt after playing the GC version because of the higher pressure needed.
Wuss

;-)

[Setzer_83]

So, please tell me, Nintendo loyalists, how is it that you always harp on about how graphics aren't important compared to gameplay? I mean, it's the basis for SO many of those damn Revolution and DS topics..

..yet the instant there's a Gamecube game that you regard to have better graphics in spite of having less gameplay content than it's PS2 cousin your argument changes to how significant graphics are and that makes it a better game.

Hmmm?

lets compare
RE4 GCN RE4 PS2

Same exact game, ecxcept some crappy movie sony bought so they could say "Extra Content" in the commercial. GCN= better graphics, easier controls PS2=jagged edges, odd control configuration, and says sony and the box (yea i hate sony, but for good reason, they suck)

ok now lets compare
DS PSP

DS= fun games like mario kart, mario and luigi, metriod prime hunters, meteos, nintendogs, animal crossing,
RE deadly silence (it will be sweet), elecktroplankton, feel the magic, tramacenter.....

PSP=Lumines, illegal homebrew, Aquateen Hungerforce seasons on UMD

Yea sony wins in both rounds, i can't believe i didn't see it sooner. ALL HAIL SONY. wait no sony's phrase is ALL KILL NINTENDO, sorry missed orientation for sony fags last week. (oh that felt good, take that Sony)

[automaton]

For the information of those who requested...

Zelda: Wind Waker was Gamespot's GOTY for 2003. Metroid Prime was Gamespot's GOTY for 2002.

For those of you who think I am a Gamecube fanboy, I thought Shadow of the Colossus should have won game of the year for 2005.

[Tohoya]

Now that you mention it, whats with Guild Wars over WoW?

a.) Guild Wars so infinitely superior to WoW that you lose all sense of perspective. It's like comparing the size of a single atom to the size of the universe; current mathematical models are incapable of expressing it.

b.) WoW was released last year, and IIRC won their GOTY last year.

[Balthasar]

lets compare
RE4 GCN RE4 PS2

Same exact game, ecxcept some crappy movie sony bought so they could say "Extra Content" in the commercial. GCN= better graphics, easier controls PS2=jagged edges, odd control configuration, and says sony and the box (yea i hate sony, but for good reason, they suck)

Considering the length of the sidequest unlocked by beating the PS2 version, I'm not sure how you can accurtately label it "some crappy move sony bought." I wonder if fanboys like you have anything to do with the fact that so many people here hate the Nintendo brand.

Also, I just bought the PS2 version for my brother, and I can assure those wondering if the difference graphically between the cube and ps2 version are significant or "crippling" that no, the difference is by no means big. If you have both systems, the only significant question to ask yourself is whether it is more important to have the version that looks a little bit better or has a bit more content (maybe more than a bit, considering the new content is a few hours worth). It isn't very complicated at all.

[thecrazyd]

Considering the length of the sidequest unlocked by beating the PS2 version, I'm not sure how you can accurtately label it "some crappy move sony bought." I wonder if fanboys like you have anything to do with the fact that so many people here hate the Nintendo brand.

Also, I just bought the PS2 version for my brother, and I can assure those wondering if the difference graphically between the cube and ps2 version are significant or "crippling" that no, the difference is by no means big. If you have both systems, the only significant question to ask yourself is whether it is more important to have the version that looks a little bit better or has a bit more content (maybe more than a bit, considering the new content is a few hours worth). It isn't very complicated at all.
You can only really notice the difference when you see it side by side, but when you do, it is quite signifigant. Also, the GC version has better controls, and loads alot faster.

[Setzer_83]

I wonder if fanboys like you have anything to do with the fact that so many people here hate the Nintendo brand.

if you would pay attention, it isn't that i am a nintendo fanboy, it is that i hate sony. i would rather be given a snes or sega master system than a ps2 any day. Giving a ps2 as a gift is like giving a ticking time bomb, sooner or later the fact that it is sony will make it 1) start on fire 2) stop working all together for no appearent reason except sony wants you to buy another 3) stop you from being able to play good games because those 56 other crappy games surrounding it in the game aisle keep you from seeing that gem of a game like... nevermind strike that reason.

i figured some sony fanboy woukd quote me and say something... but why not strike back at the psp-ds comparison. could it finally be the day that you (sony fanboys) realize that the psp isn't going to beat the ds, or anyother nintendo handheld. Finally and i didnt even mention warioware castlevania advanced wars or kirby canvas curse in my comparison.

[TrackZero]

So, please tell me, Nintendo loyalists, how is it that you always harp on about how graphics aren't important compared to gameplay? I mean, it's the basis for SO many of those damn Revolution and DS topics..

..yet the instant there's a Gamecube game that you regard to have better graphics in spite of having less gameplay content than it's PS2 cousin your argument changes to how significant graphics are and that makes it a better game.

Hmmm?

*sigh* Time to feed the troll, or he'll starve.

You just combined gameplay with content, they're not the same thing. The PS2 version has more CONTENT. It's gameplay is largely identical, with the addition of horrible load times. Graphically it's inferior. But, yes, there's some more content. If you desperately want that pro over the other cons, then go for it. It still plays great on the PS2 as well. I believe everyone's point is simply that to choose between the two versions, the GCN is the one to pick. But if you play the PS2 version, it's not like you're really missing out, the game experience just will be downsampled graphically and slower to load. Whatever floats your boat.

[TrackZero]

As for the game of the year choice, I'm comfortable with RE4 getting it. IMHO it and Shadow of the Collossus are very, very close together. My only minor complaint with the game was the jaggies. If SotC had enjoyed the Xbox's graphic hardware, it would have pushed it over the top for me, in all seriousness.

Psychonauts would run in the solid 3rd place for me, easily. I just wish the game would have had more mainstream attention. It's Beyond Good and Evil all over again.....

[Setzer_83]

yea same here. I liked RE4, it deserves a game of the year

[Morratut]

I agree. RE4 on my GC owned my ass for about 2 weeks. It was ace.

[51|RandoM]

Yes, let's be correct. The Xbox and PS2 have several amazing outstanding games a year, and dozens of above average games. The GCN has several amazing outstanding games a year, and 4 or 5 above average ones.

hahaha, that is a good one.

Look at the list of games for xbox game of the year. There isn't an amazing, outstanding game on that list.

[H.Bogard]

So you acuse Gamespot's editors of being stupid right after another post where you complain that a 2004 game didn't run for any of the 2005 awards? Yeah, right. THEY are stupid...

Yep, that sure explains Ninja Gaiden Black's existance on that list :)

IMO , game of the year should have gone to SoTC or God of War or F.E.A.R. simply because RE4's controls are to be hated!

[Balthasar]

if you would pay attention, it isn't that i am a nintendo fanboy, it is that i hate sony. i would rather be given a snes or sega master system than a ps2 any day. Giving a ps2 as a gift is like giving a ticking time bomb, sooner or later the fact that it is sony will make it 1) start on fire 2) stop working all together for no appearent reason except sony wants you to buy another 3) stop you from being able to play good games because those 56 other crappy games surrounding it in the game aisle keep you from seeing that gem of a game like... nevermind strike that reason.

So you're saying no good games have come out on the PS2? Or are you saying that the fact that Sony allows bad games to be published on their system bothers you so much as to prevent you from playing all of the good games available?

i figured some sony fanboy woukd quote me and say something... but why not strike back at the psp-ds comparison. could it finally be the day that you (sony fanboys) realize that the psp isn't going to beat the ds, or anyother nintendo handheld.

When did I become a Sony fanboy? I don't think attacking your assinine statement speaks to any inherent bias in my buying choices. I didn't comment on your PSP-DS comparison because, firstly it was pretty much out of context, and secondly, because I can give two shits who wins the "handheld wars."

[Balthasar]

hahaha, that is a good one.

Look at the list of games for xbox game of the year. There isn't an amazing, outstanding game on that list.

Ninja Gaiden Black and Psychonauts are supposed to be pretty terrific, but I never played either, so I can't really attest. Interestingly, if you look at the PS2 finalist crop, it's far and away superior to the GCN list. Even if you take away RE4, since it's a multi-platform title, that list still has God of War, Shadow of Colossus, and Guitar Hero. Unless you want to argue two of those games weren't "A-list" (which would be pretty silly and dishonest).

[Morrolan]

Psychonauts was amazing. So was Ninja Gaiden, when it came out last year. The re-release had no business being nominated, as the game already came out last year, and already had its run at the GotY award THAT year.

[AspectVoid]

You can only really notice the difference when you see it side by side, but when you do, it is quite signifigant. Also, the GC version has better controls, and loads alot faster.

I disagree the better controls myself. I far and away perfer a dual shock over the GC's controller. That, IMO, is a matter of personal taste, not game design, and really shouldn't be part of the issue when it comes to GotY.

Hell, IMO, if a game is multi-platform then its versions should all be considered together as one entry unless there are serious issues (such as game ending bugs) in one of the versions.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

So, please tell me, Nintendo loyalists, how is it that you always harp on about how graphics aren't important compared to gameplay? I mean, it's the basis for SO many of those damn Revolution and DS topics..

..yet the instant there's a Gamecube game that you regard to have better graphics in spite of having less gameplay content than it's PS2 cousin your argument changes to how significant graphics are and that makes it a better game.

Hmmm?


It all boils down to the fact that we love to give you reasons to flex those angry little fingers of yours.

[The Iron Weasel]

For RE4 I just prefer the GC controller it boils down to that, but the fact that it looks better and loads faster is just a bonus. I'll probably get the PS2 version aswell now that I own a PS2 I wouldn't mind getting the extra content.

[Setzer_83]

So you're saying no good games have come out on the PS2? Or are you saying that the fact that Sony allows bad games to be published on their system bothers you so much as to prevent you from playing all of the good games available?

no i still played those good games, you know SoTC. I just borrowed my brother's ps2, that he has had to fix twice, but you know, sony still makes good products.

[Spigot]

no i still played those good games, you know SoTC. I just borrowed my brother's ps2, that he has had to fix twice, but you know, sony still makes good products.
It sounds more like your beef is with Sony, the company, than with the actual system. I'll agree that Sony makes systems out of some fragile sand-like material that tends to break if looked at cock-eyed. That said, I had my launch PS2 for, what, 4 years before the laser started going wonky. I love my slim PS2 and haven't had any skipping or lockup problems with it in the year I've owned it.

Not to add much more to the ranting, but you do sound a lot like my younger brother. He LOATHES Microsoft... more specifically, the Xbox. He absolutely refuses to get one, won't even acknowledge the fact that there are some good system exclusives (though I'll be the first to admit that it is mainly the system for sports games and multiplatform titles rather than exclusives).

He was just telling me yesterday that he had a friend who was thinking of giving my brother his old Xbox. My brother, no word of a lie, said that if given the Xbox, rather than enjoy a free console, he would take the thing outside, douse it in gas and light it on fire before smashing it with a flaming sledgehammer.

And he was being deadly serious.

To which I can only say, "Your loss."

It's one thing to like one system more than another. I think it's a little silly to completely discount a system, the N-Gage being the obvious exception! I know I go through phases. My Cube has not been used that much in the last while but I wouldn't say it's a bad system. It's just that more of the current games are out on other systems at the moment. When things slow down, I'll get back to finishing off Metroid Prime 2, seeing how much death and destruction has befallen my poor town in Animal Crossing (haven't powered that one up for nigh on 2 years) and when the new Zelda hits, I probably won't stop playing the Cube till I finish it.

But to each his own.

I'm off to play my shiny new DS, so there.

[mister_slim]

I guess I'm the only one who thought Killer7 was GC game of the year. How will I validate my opinion?

[Rommel]

Personally, I feel an award should exist for best ongoing title for MMO's. With WoW's increased user base and improved stability it certainly deserves some recognition as the game that sucked more hours of our lives away than any other this year. Also, I understand that EVE Online is experiencing a renaissance of sorts for an older game.

To say that a game that has new content, live events and an evolving community cannot be considered new and different year to year shows a lack of understanding on the very nature of the genre.

As for RE4, I do not see how a Nintendo-hater can find this upsetting or how a Nintendo-lover be so pleased. It is a Capcom game that was temporal exclusive and now is multiplatorm. How anyone could find a third-party title to be a validation of their rampant love for or hatred of an unrelated entity?

Personally, I would rather discuss the horrors of the fact that history will record that someone liked the Wind Waker in bygone days.

[The Iron Weasel]

I guess I'm the only one who thought Killer7 was GC game of the year. How will I validate my opinion?

Is Killer7 worth buying or just renting? I've heard lots of love hate opinions on it, so I'm cautious.

[Spigot]

Is Killer7 worth buying or just renting? I've heard lots of love hate opinions on it, so I'm cautious.
Definately rent it. It's not for everyone. I loved the art style, the crazy meta-story that required my reading a 50 page online explanation and the stripped down gameplay.

I'm also VERY glad that I rented it as even my love for weird and quirky games might not have been sufficient had I spent full price on it. If you are into games that fall into the 'different' category, definately give it a try. Just don't run out and buy it until you've made sure it's for you.

[The Iron Weasel]

Definately rent it. It's not for everyone. I loved the art style, the crazy meta-story that required my reading a 50 page online explanation and the stripped down gameplay.

I'm also VERY glad that I rented it as even my love for weird and quirky games might not have been sufficient had I spent full price on it. If you are into games that fall into the 'different' category, definately give it a try. Just don't run out and buy it until you've made sure it's for you.

Yeah I'll rent it, thanks for the reply.

[Setzer_83]

It sounds more like your beef is with Sony, the company, than with the actual system. I'll agree that Sony makes systems out of some fragile sand-like material that tends to break if looked at cock-eyed. That said, I had my launch PS2 for, what, 4 years before the laser started going wonky. I love my slim PS2 and haven't had any skipping or lockup problems with it in the year I've owned it.


Yea i just hate sony, i said that in an earlier post. the fact that they want to do it all, then spread themselves so thin that they lose money in every single department of their corporation, but still have billions of unquestionably loyal followers that would kill to get a ps3 two weeks before release. Don't get me wrong, if i was given a ps2, i would probably play it, or atleast hook it up. But i would probably only buy SoTC and ICO for it. Everyother decent game i have for the GC or X-box. And the PSP is a good game system, but seriously sony, focus on the games. stop with the updates, scale back the movies on UMD and start making some original, first party games.

I am a nintendo fan. I thought the revolution was pure brilliance when it was unvailed, but had it not been nintendo i would have said "it will die in a week." Going to the indie wing at E3 shows all of the intelligent off the wall thinking that indie developers have, and the fact that nintendo is right along with them making inovations instead of sticking to the 2 analogs sticks, 8 button controllers shows that they still care about the gamer. I am getting tired of playing through shooters and comparing them to halo. I would rather play a shooter that you can't compare anything to, like Metroid Prime 3.

Yea wow way off topic. I think that Call of Duty 2 should have won GoTY. I haven't had that much fun playing a game in a long time. But that is my opinion.

and by the way, its my birthday.

[Balthasar]

Yea i just hate sony, i said that in an earlier post. the fact that they want to do it all, then spread themselves so thin that they lose money in every single department of their corporation, but still have billions of unquestionably loyal followers that would kill to get a ps3 two weeks before release. Don't get me wrong, if i was given a ps2, i would probably play it, or atleast hook it up. But i would probably only buy SoTC and ICO for it. Everyother decent game i have for the GC or X-box.
Wait, you hate Sony for A)wanting to do it all, B)not turning a high enough profit, and C)having loyal followers? I don't think I'm unjustified in attacking your hatred for Sony for being, at the very least, bizzarly justified. Also, why don't you hate Microsoft, and, by extention--via your logic--the XBox, considering Microsoft's entire strategy, laid out publicly, has been about the dominance of your livingroom in every way that can conceivably be done?

[ChypeFlux]

The Gamecube version of RE4 sports noticeably higher resolution textures, seems to have higher poly character models, better special effects (water, etc), has more environmental detail (notice all of the crap cut just from the first area, running through the woods, on the PS2), had a flawless framerate (PS2 version showed a subtle choking in 3 or 4 places) AND on top of that, loads noticeably faster.

So, the extra content for the PS2 is arguably not worth much...maybe you liked it, but I thought it was of much worse quality than the main story line and I actually felt let down after finishing it...it could have been so much more.

So, I say you are short-changing yourself if you don't play the GCN version.

[Setzer_83]

why don't you hate Microsoft, and, by extention--via your logic--the XBox, considering Microsoft's entire strategy, laid out publicly, has been about the dominance of your livingroom in every way that can conceivably be done?
One simple reason, seriously 4 words. Microsoft does it well.
I love my 360. i haven't had any problems with it. My friends can come over and in a few minutes we can have some kind of frag-fest going. The active playlist is a sweet addition. I just plug in my ipod, turn on some JM3 and play CoD2 again. X-Box live rocks, even though i can't get high-speed internet in the middle of nowhere oklahoma, my brothers still have it and i just go over to thier place and play.
And i wasn't talking about sony's stupidity of using blu-ray because they think it is the "way of the future" for media, i mean sony as a corporation. They are losing money from TVs, Cameras, Computers, The PS2, the PSP. more or less if it says sony somewhere on it, sony is getting screwed.

[AnthraxKitty]

Have any of you whiners yet realized you can just scroll down to see the GOTY instead of watching the video?

Any how many of you have played NG: Black? The game was so changed from the original, and the missions were amazing.