MGS4 'could work' on Xbox 360

[MrMeatshake]

In a slightly strange sounding interview with 1up (http://www.1up.com/), (summarised on EG (http://www.eurogamer.net), here (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62199)) Hideo Kojima has said that:

Metal Gear Solid 4 could work on Xbox 360 ("maybe some nuance or a small detail here and there might be different") and the reason for that, apparently is that "there are really no differences" between the PS3, 360 and PC, although obviously Revolution is "totally different".

Uh? I'm not sure what he means by 'no differences' - considering the PS3 and the x360 will contain pretty different hardware, is this alluding to the fact that the PS3 is much easier to program for than the PS2?

[Xaerin]

Sounds like he's just trying to lessen the impression most people have that the PS3 is that much more difficult to program for than a PC or the 360.

[T-Dawg]

First we had an article with J Allard saying that Live 'could work' on the PS3, now one on MGS4 'working' on the XBOX360?

It's like dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

[Varsity]

He means that their computing power is similar, or at least what MGS4 is using of it.

[bapenguin]

I thought this was said a while back...no?

[Zeal]

I found the Revolution comment pretty funny.

"It'll work on anything, but not that shit."

[MrMeatshake]

I thought this was said a while back...no?

sorry if it was, i musta missed it. damnit.

/me has his posting license revoked.

[easi]

I found the Revolution comment pretty funny.

"It'll work on anything, but not that shit."

The 'shit' that's going to outsell the other two, despite not having 'ALWAYS-ON HD!'? That shit?

A shame, I'd quite like to explore the possibilities of a MGS boss fight with the Rev controller.

[DanAmerson]

From the standpoint of capabilities, they are very similar. There's not a lot that you can do on one that you absolutely can not do in some way on the other. One console may be a bit faster in one area than another which would require a small feature to be tweaked. In the general sense though, they are both high end PowerPC chips with extra processors for parallel work and a really powerful shader model 3.0 card.

Now, if you consider the current generation, there are things that one console can do that other consoles can not. For example, only Xbox has pixel and vertex shader support. So, while you can do arbitrary(up to a point) pixel and vertex operations on Xbox, you can't on GameCube. Now, the GameCube texturing hardware is very configurable in a different way, so you can emulate most pixel shader effects but not all. PS2 has the worst pixel hardware I've ever seen, but the vector units that it uses for vertex processing are incredibly flexible and exceed any vertex shader yet devised because they can look at whole meshes at a time rather than single vertices. In other words, there are some real difficult to surmount differences between NGC, PS2, and Xbox. The differences are smaller with PS3 and Xbox 360.

dba

[makkura]

he probably meant the controller

[bapenguin]

sorry if it was, i musta missed it. damnit.

/me has his posting license revoked.

Well the article you referenced is from today.

I'm pretty sure something along the lines of, "The MGS4 demo could have ran on the 360" came up before...

[Borys]

Bap is right, this is old.

Kojima also said he doesn't see a difference between PS2 and Xbox when talking about MGS3 port.

[Player 1]

I can't help wondering if Kojima is referring to the way the game may play rather than the way the game might be developed. Adapting games to differing control schemes can make a huge difference to the way it plays and whether it's succesful or not. (Witness the issues in converting Katamari to a non-joystick system).

That's my best guess.

[HumpYourWay]

"MGS4 'could work' on Xbox 360"

Like RE4 could work on PS2? ;)

[MrMeatshake]

In other words, there are some real difficult to surmount differences between NGC, PS2, and Xbox. The differences are smaller with PS3 and Xbox 360.

so in summary, you're calling kajima-sensei a liar? :)

I'm pretty sure something along the lines of, "The MGS4 demo could have ran on the 360" came up before...

a winnar is you! you win the 'recognising similar stories that have occurred in the past' chufty badge! ;)

[DuvalMagic]

If you're starting on PS3, the 360 can allow you to do everything you are doing already.

They, fundamentally, have comparable hardware and interfaces.

If you are a 360 title and have made the decision in development to assume that the user has a hard drive, then you will have to make some interesting decisions if you decide to have a PS3 version.

From my point of view, Kojima's comments are not difficult to defend.

[bean19]

Uh? I'm not sure what he means by 'no differences' - considering the PS3 and the x360 will contain pretty different hardware, is this alluding to the fact that the PS3 is much easier to program for than the PS2?

Did you mean much harder to program for? If not, where the heck did you read that? Seems like every week some developer is quoted talking about how hard it is to design games for the PS3.

[bean19]

Where is the original interview link?

I did a search (http://www.1up.com/do/search?st=hideo%20kojima) on Hideo Kojima on 1up.com and the most recent story was from September.

[The Iron Weasel]

Maybe MGS4 really is comming to 360.

[51|RandoM]

not really news, imho, considering that xbox is the port box. I figure most games can work fine there, after they've debuted on some other platform.


/duck

[Schnoogs]

The 'shit' that's going to outsell the other two, despite not having 'ALWAYS-ON HD!'? That shit?

A shame, I'd quite like to explore the possibilities of a MGS boss fight with the Rev controller.

Wake up...you're dreaming

[Hellstorm]

Wake up...you're dreaming

This from a person that probably believed the PSP would destroy the DS. LOL.

But then again atleast the Rev is going to actually get a game from Kojima.

[MrMeatshake]

Did you mean much harder to program for? If not, where the heck did you read that? Seems like every week some developer is quoted talking about how hard it is to design games for the PS3.

sorry, i wasn't suggesting that was fact - i meant that he might be suggesting that...

[Genital Eclipse]

The 'shit' that's going to outsell the other two, despite not having 'ALWAYS-ON HD!'? That shit?

A shame, I'd quite like to explore the possibilities of a MGS boss fight with the Rev controller.


Hate to break it to you but i already have a revolutionary controller that I use to point at Tyra on the Tyra show and erect a massive meat rifle in my pantalones.

Revolution my ass. :)

[Achilles]

But then again atleast the Rev is going to actually get a game from Kojima.What's it called? What kind of game is it? I wouldn't count your games before they've been announced. Right now MGS4 has been shown running on the PS3.

[Kefkataran]

I found the Revolution comment pretty funny.

"It'll work on anything, but not that shit."

Considering Kojima's been one of the devs who is most interested in the potential of the Revolution, I'm going to go ahead and doubt that's what he meant.

What's it called? What kind of game is it? I wouldn't count your games before they've been announced. Right now MGS4 has been shown running on the PS3.

Nothing announced, naturally, but Kojima has shown a lot of interest in the Rev in previous interviews, and considering his affinity for making slightly strange ideas into games, it seems a good match.

[ElectricMonk]

they really aren't that much different hardware wise. nothing close to the differences between the ps2, xbox and gc anyway.

[mojovonious]

there really won't be a difference. They pretty much cancel out each other's strengths and weaknesses.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=13

[mister_slim]

If you are a 360 title and have made the decision in development to assume that the user has a hard drive, then you will have to make some interesting decisions if you decide to have a PS3 version.

I hope not too many 360 developers are assuming the user has a hard drive.

[H.Bogard]

If you count the post as a reason that it may be ported to Xbox 360....then theres just an equal chance it will be on the PC as well.....remember the crappy ports of mgs2 anyone?

[The Iron Weasel]

Considering Kojima's been one of the devs who is most interested in the potential of the Revolution, I'm going to go ahead and doubt that's what he meant.



Nothing announced, naturally, but Kojima has shown a lot of interest in the Rev in previous interviews, and considering his affinity for making slightly strange ideas into games, it seems a good match.

Slighty strange ideas?

[Kefkataran]

Slighty strange ideas?

Ah, excuse me, I believe the phrase I was looking for was "exceedingly strange and yet somehow still fucking brilliant ideas". :p ;)

[mister_slim]

Ah, excuse me, I believe the phrase I was looking for was "exceedingly strange and yet somehow still fucking brilliant ideas". :p ;)
Have you played Killer7 yet?

Don't make me come over there and do something we'll both regret.

[Kefkataran]

Have you played Killer7 yet?

Don't make me come over there and do something we'll both regret.

How did you know I hadn't? :\ Are you stil watching me?

Also, your title is from Warren Ellis. This makes me luv you.

[mister_slim]

How did you know I hadn't? :\ Are you stil watching me?

Also, your title is from Warren Ellis. This makes me luv you.
Like fat kids luv pancak?

Your phrase reminded me of Killer7. Killer7 actually out-bat-shit-insanes MGS. Also, Suda 51 could take Kojima in a fight.

[Kefkataran]

Your phrase reminded me of Killer7. Killer7 actually out-bat-shit-insanes MGS. Also, Suda 51 could take Kojima in a fight.

I've heard that. I do plan to play it. Really, I do.