PS3 Launch Titles Hinted at by Jack Tretton [Archive]

fitbabits

12-12-2005, 07:17 AM

Eurogamer (http://www.eurogamer.net) has the story (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62112).

Sony Computer Entertainment America bigwig Jack Tretton has suggested that PS3 titles Lair and WarHawk could be available on console launch day.

In an interview with US PlayStation Magazine, Tretton said: "We've actually got three internal [PS3] titles that we're working on at SCEA.

"One of them, WarHawk, is playable, and you can compare the graphics and see them live, and also with another one of our launch titles, a game from factor 5 called Lair, again live footage, that footage compares very favourably to what was shown at E3 press conference."
I'm trying really hard to be upbeat and positive about the PS3, but it's damn hard... Spin does nothing for me these days. If what they have right now is on par with the E3 demonstration, show it to us!

Sion

12-12-2005, 07:20 AM

When Sony launches the PS2, all the games will look like the FFVIII FMVs.

AspectVoid

12-12-2005, 07:28 AM

I'm trying really hard to be upbeat and positive about the PS3, but it's damn hard... Spin does nothing for me these days. If what they have right now is on par with the E3 demonstration, show it to us!

Personally, I find it entertaining the way they say stuff but don't show it. It helps keep the anticipation down, and thus will allow for more pleasant surprises for me.

With how bombarded we are with screenshots, previews, videos, etc these days, I find I really don't stumble across the unknown gems in the store anymore. When I was a kid, I always bought games on instinct rather then word of mouth or reviews. I'd love to get some of that back. Not that I expect it to happen, mind you, but it'd be nice.

EternalGamer

12-12-2005, 07:41 AM

bean19

12-12-2005, 07:46 AM

I'm trying really hard to be upbeat and positive about the PS3, but it's damn hard... Spin does nothing for me these days. If what they have right now is on par with the E3 demonstration, show it to us!
I couldn't agree more fitbabits.

I'd so love to be in love with the PS3, but I need to see the games, and not just FMV from the games to get excited.

The lack of video makes me think that:

1. The games are not near ready enough to show footage; or
2. As everyone suspects due to the X360 and the PS3 actually being of similar technical strength, the footage is not awesome enough to show as it is comparable to the 360 and would give their competitor more advantage from being first to the market (sort of).

bjornbarspingvinen

12-12-2005, 07:49 AM

I hope the games are cool. But the whole "emotion engine" bs they pulled at the ps2 launch have left me jaded. And those e3 Renders they called actual gameplay footage...yeah right....
But I would like that mudrace bike/buggy racing game to look like that on release, that would be awesome....

jBusy

12-12-2005, 07:51 AM

I couldn't agree more fitbabits.

I'd so love to be in love with the PS3, but I need to see the games, and not just FMV from the games to get excited.

The lack of video makes me think that:

1. The games are not near ready enough to show footage; or
2. As everyone suspects due to the X360 and the PS3 actually being of similar technical strength, the footage is not awesome enough to show as it is comparable to the 360 and would give their competitor more advantage from being first to the market (sort of).

Konami has shown Metal Gear 4 footage (Real-time no less) so it does exist and what I saw was pretty impressive.

AspectVoid

12-12-2005, 07:55 AM

Apparently you don't remember the part where you spent $50 on crap when you were a kid because you were uninformed. Dash Galaxy be damned! I will admit we are oversaturated with industry hype, but there is an easy solution to that--stay away from the trailers and screenshots. Of course, it's a lot less tempting if, like me, you only have a dial-up connection...

Dan

Actually, my instincts have always been good when it comes to games (nothing else, though). I bought a massive amount of classic games that I had never heard of anywhere, just because my guts told me to go with it. Games like the Kings Quest series, X-com, Wing Commander, WarCraft, Might and Magic (the old DOS ones), etc.

As for staying away........I admit it, I'm weak. :(

fitbabits

12-12-2005, 07:56 AM

Konami has shown Metal Gear 4 footage (Real-time no less) so it does exist and what I saw was pretty impressive.
I'll believe it when I play it for myself. I've seen the footage and it is impressive, but whether or not it turns out to be real gameplay footage remains to be seen (or played).

Ervin

12-12-2005, 07:57 AM

I don't believe PS3 will launch during spring...they'd show something if it was that ready. And I think their FMVs are laughable - I'm sick of hyped up FMVs that can in no way be reproduced in realtime by PS3/Xbox360...

But Xbox360 vs. PS3 power and graphics? I think at this point only thing that matters is the art direction and designers, not the machine itself. Both machines have lots of power, but on the other hand wayyyy too little to render and simulate real life.

Still, I'll buy PS3 the day it comes out, just like I bought xbox360... I'm a sucker for consoles.

dolbex

12-12-2005, 08:01 AM

fitbabits

12-12-2005, 08:04 AM

Still, I'll buy PS3 the day it comes out, just like I bought xbox360... I'm a sucker for consoles.
I can safely say that I will not be in line for the PS3 when it launches. Sony's track record for hardware fubars is legendary and I'm not about to fall into the trap of hoping for a settlement in 6 year's time.

Borys

12-12-2005, 08:16 AM

Patience, young Padawan. Enjoy your Xbox MK II now and wait for Sony to deliver.

Supposedly there are 100 (that's right - one hundred) games in the making for PS3, I read that list somewhere, I'll try to find and repost it later.

If you can be sure of 2 games that are indeed up and running in realtime they are MGS4 and UT2K7 (yeah, the PS3 version).

Vandenh

12-12-2005, 08:18 AM

>If you can be sure of 2 games that are indeed up and running in realtime

"games" being a very flexible word here. We haven't seen *any* gameplay Borys. You know... a bit of sarcasm and being wary of big fat corporations is healthy. You should try it.

Suicidal ShiZuru

12-12-2005, 08:22 AM

This damn topic keeps coming up over and over. PS3 could ass rape the 360 in every way when its launched and have ten thousand great lunch titles, or it could fail miserably and be more like a PS2.01. Who the hell knows. Just wait.

"One of them, WarHawk, is playable, and you can compare the graphics and see them live, and also with another one of our launch titles, a game from factor 5 called Lair, again live footage, that footage compares very favourably to what was shown at E3 press conference."

If true, then my guess is the PS3 will outpower the 360...

Eon

12-12-2005, 08:28 AM

Cubfan

12-12-2005, 08:29 AM

Apparently you don't remember the part where you spent $50 on crap when you were a kid because you were uninformed. Dash Galaxy be damned!

Haha, I recall renting that game from the local video store because I thought the box cover was cool. Took it home, played for 10 minutes, and then felt like a complete jackass because I had worked so hard to coerce my parents to drive me to the video store, and I played it just because I felt I had to. :(

ruprect

12-12-2005, 08:43 AM

Sigh, I'll believe it when I see it. All I have to say is that they had better have playable demos at E3. Then again, if they are going to release it in Spring, they had better have started their production lines right now.

My bet: They will release some units in Japan in Spring, and it will be in the US in 3rd quarter at the earliest.

pomeroy

12-12-2005, 08:44 AM

X-bitches? Heh. That's pretty...pathetic. Yeah, that's the word I'm looking for.

I'm not sure it's really Sony-hating. If Sony was showing anything, ANYTHING AT ALL, I'd at least give it a shot. But "The graphics are sweet, we'll have 300 games, that Killzone footage was real, etc." just isn't doing it for me.

I'll admit, I jumped on the Xbox360 bandwagon. I didn't do it until I'd seen some actual gameplay footage, heard some confirmed titles that I wanted to play, and heard about the Xbox Live upgrades. But, yes...you caught me. I MUST be an "X-bitch."

Vandenh

12-12-2005, 08:53 AM

>I MUST be an "X-bitch."

/points
BIATCH!

;)

fitbabits

12-12-2005, 08:59 AM

*flicks cold water into his face*

Is this an original and new discussion or just a rehash of the usual Sony hating on here? I'd have thought you X-Bitches would have been a little quieter after the underwhelming 360 launch.
I think that cold water you *flicked* on your face was more than just cold water. You know that you're supposed to point it down when you go to the bathroom, right?

Here's an idea - instead of calling us biased, post some POSITIVE Sony news. I dare you.

Vandenh

12-12-2005, 09:03 AM

fitbabits

12-12-2005, 09:08 AM

>instead of calling us biased, post some POSITIVE Sony news.

There is some postive news in this!

"that footage compares very favourably to what was shown at E3 press conference."

See? Powerful stuff...

Except "very favourably" is marketing speak for "totally different". Pity...
And therein lies the rub - had I not posted the news we would have been accused of anti-Sony fanboyism. Some people are never satisfied.

DrHogie

12-12-2005, 09:09 AM

Damn, I must be getting old. Dunno if it's the age (28) or the fact that I have a 2 1/2 year old daughter and a son on the way next month or something else -- but graphics don't mean jack to me anymore.

I've currently got a GC, PS2, and XBox hooked up in my living room, and a DS as well. The XBox was bought Christmas 2004, the PS2 approx. 18 months after launch, the GC just a few months after launch, the DS in October for my wife. All 3 systems still get a lot of play. I've still got 15-20 games that I am looking forward to playing through for these systems. Not to mention another 20+ I don't have the money to buy right now.

I understand new consoles must be launched. I understand progress demands new faster l33t systems that can push zillions of polygons. But on a 2D level, the SNES was Perfectly Acceptable -- which is still apparent due to the GBA. On a 3D level, any of the current consoles are also Perfectly Acceptable. I've played PGR3 on a 360 demo unit (sweeeeeet sweet Samsung display -- I likey) and yes, it looks fantastic. But Burnout Revenge on my XBox looks pretty fantastic too. Not as good as PGR3, no. But it still looks damn fine -- and I can't imagine having more fun with a racing game than BO4.

Guess what I'm trying to say is, y'all can hassle over the next generation. The current generation is still treating me just fine.

Mason

12-12-2005, 09:16 AM

*flicks cold water into his face*

Is this an original and new discussion or just a rehash of the usual Sony hating on here? I'd have thought you X-Bitches would have been a little quieter after the underwhelming 360 launch.

How the hell can you compare a playable console with one that hasn't released a single screenshot or piece of gameplay footage? It's like trying to compare the Dreamcast and the Phantom. Does the Phantom win just because it says it wins?

No one here is hating on the PS3 because there's nothing to hate on yet. Most everyone here isn't expressing a negative opinion, but rather stating that they wish they had more PS3 media. You are an absolute fanboy idiot if you think that expecting an upcoming console (that hopes to sell itself on graphics power, particularly) to have some screens out is "hating" on it.

If Sony still expects to hit a "Spring 2006" launch, that's at most a bit over 5 months away. Microsoft had people playing 360 titles (on development hardware, but it was still something) 7 months prior to the 360 launch. Not a pretty comparison.

If Sony's going to keep their word, we're between 3 and 5 months from the PS3 launch, with basically no media, no pricing info, no preliminary list of launch titles, and no firm release date. That should raise the eyebrows of any rational gamer. I want the PS3 to launch well and be a great console, but we should all know what it means when companies won't nail down releases and stop providing information.

Scaryboy

12-12-2005, 09:38 AM

We don't need this argument again!!!!

I've put on my magical tinfoil hat, received prophecy FROM THE FUTURE and can inform you without a doubt that:
*PS3 games will look more or less identical to Xbox 360 games.
*PS3 will have more or less the same games as the XBOX360.
*The PS3 will launch with NBA 2k7, NFL 2k7, NHL 2k7, FIFA '07 AND SO ON.

fitbabits

12-12-2005, 09:41 AM

We don't need this argument again!!!!
Some people seem to think we do, mostly those wearing the PS3-tinted spectacles. :rolleyes:

Magnanimous Gnome

12-12-2005, 09:47 AM

Personally, I find it entertaining the way they say stuff but don't show it. It helps keep the anticipation down, and thus will allow for more pleasant surprises for me.

With how bombarded we are with screenshots, previews, videos, etc these days, I find I really don't stumble across the unknown gems in the store anymore. When I was a kid, I always bought games on instinct rather then word of mouth or reviews. I'd love to get some of that back. Not that I expect it to happen, mind you, but it'd be nice.

Oh man, I really miss those days. I remember downloading the demo for Dungeon Keeper and having no idea what the game was. I toyed around with it and couldn't figure anything out. All of a sudden it all started coming together and I loved it. Must have played that demo 10 times before running out and buying the game.

Citizen Philip

12-12-2005, 09:48 AM

fitbabits

12-12-2005, 09:52 AM

I would be aggitated too if I spent $500 on one system, before the rival $500 system came out. Thus, if I bought the verison "that was teh sux" before seeing the rival, I would have wasted a good chunk of change on the short stick, before being offered the long stick.

I'll wait, give the PS3 6 months, decide which one sucks the least: and then upgrade my PC. ;p
I dunno, man, I'm not in the least bit bothered that I have an Xbox 360 right now. Quite the opposite. I am, however, groing rather weary of people who don't own an Xbox 360 saying how much it sucks and that the PS3 will piss all over the 360!

Mr.Green

12-12-2005, 09:56 AM

DoubleUranium

12-12-2005, 10:14 AM

Wow!! They're working on 3 titles! 3?? Wow!!!!! I would never have guessed that they might be working on titles before launch. That's great news!!! I can't wait to see the screenshots since they're playable. Oh wait, no screenshots? Nice empty hype bitches. You'd think Sony would learn.

bapenguin

12-12-2005, 10:17 AM

Supposedly there are 100 (that's right - one hundred) games in the making for PS3, I read that list somewhere, I'll try to find and repost it later.

Bet it's more than that. I know the XBox 360 has around 150 in development. And about 150 more getting ready to go into the development process.

Borys

12-12-2005, 10:26 AM

Bet it's more than that. I know the XBox 360 has around 150 in development. And about 150 more getting ready to go into the development process.

Well yeah but that "100 PS3 list" had them named. Every single one of them + name of the dev studio.

Royal Fool

12-12-2005, 10:38 AM

Konami has shown Metal Gear 4 footage (Real-time no less) so it does exist and what I saw was pretty impressive.

Well, I'm more inclined to believe it was just a tech demo running on proposed PS3 hardware specs. You know, tech (http://www.ati.com/developer/demos/rx1800.html) demos (http://www.ati.com/developer/demos/r9700.html) like (http://www.ati.com/developer/demos/rx800.html) these (http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7800.html).

The fact that Kojima could interact with the presentation in real-time doesn't prove that it was an actual game engine, it only showed us that they were using kickass highly-detailed models and backdrops. Whether the final game will look anything like that demo is another story...

Taco

12-12-2005, 10:42 AM

The Phantom has a list of around 20. Every singly one of them + name of the dev studio.

Nessus

12-12-2005, 10:44 AM

See, the way I see it, so what if the MGS4 footage is real time or not? What does that change?

I've seen some footage. Hate the art design for the .. robot with t-rex legs or whatever. I just can't get excited about graphics anymore.

I mean to me it seems sorta silly that this all hinges on whether or not the PS3 will have good graphics or really good graphics.

fitbabits

12-12-2005, 10:45 AM

The Phantom has a list of around 20. Every singly one of them + name of the dev studio.
Phantom FTW!

Citizen Philip

12-12-2005, 10:45 AM

I dunno, man, I'm not in the least bit bothered that I have an Xbox 360 right now. Quite the opposite. I am, however, groing rather weary of people who don't own an Xbox 360 saying how much it sucks and that the PS3 will piss all over the 360!

If you researched what the the 360 was offering and you believed the system had a more compelling offering, why would you be bothered with your purchase? As a point, there has been, will continue to be, baseless accusations against both the 360 and the PS3.

What I would say is, the 360 is out and it does not dissapoint. It does not absolutely floor anyone (these days with such a jaded audience, nothing would floor anyone), but neither does anything else. The PS3 is not out, and can prove to be a better system, simply because solid details are few. The PS3 could be a a better system, equal system or inferior.

Once both systems have had 6 months on the market the consumer will decide with their money, which system was worth it: Not slamming or praising your favorite system will make the difference. Time will tell.

bean19

12-12-2005, 10:48 AM

Konami has shown Metal Gear 4 footage (Real-time no less) so it does exist and what I saw was pretty impressive.

Um. . . all I've seen so far is CG. Can you link the gameplay footage? That whole old Snake trailer isn't gameplay footage dude. It is really good CG though, and I am fairly excited about the game, but I'll need to see gameplay footage to get truly stoked.

Citizen Philip

12-12-2005, 10:50 AM

Naw, he's just another PC fanatic with an inferiority complex. ;)

*ducks*

I was expelled from the PC fanatic community for my genuine lack of enthusiasm. I like strategy games, economic simulators (Tropico Pirates, and those "build a city" games )FPS and WoW. Ergo I use a PC.

I don't like Sony customer service and I don't like Microsoft for their monopoly. I have a Sony monitor and Windows 2000.

fitbabits

12-12-2005, 10:51 AM

If you researched what the the 360 was offering and you believed the system had a more compelling offering, why would you be bothered with your purchase? As a point, there has been, will continue to be, baseless accusations against both the 360 and the PS3.

What I would say is, the 360 is out and it does not dissapoint. It does not absolutely floor anyone (these days with such a jaded audience, nothing would floor anyone), but neither does anything else. The PS3 is not out, and can prove to be a better system, simply because solid details are few. The PS3 could be a a better system, equal system or inferior.

Once both systems have had 6 months on the market the consumer will decide with their money, which system was worth it: Not slamming or praising your favorite system will make the difference. Time will tell.
I may have misunderstood you, but you seemed to be saying that I should ge aggitated at having spent $500 on an inferior machine.

"I would be aggitated too if I spent $500 on one system, before the rival $500 system came out."
See?

bean19

12-12-2005, 10:57 AM

Haha, I recall renting that game from the local video store because I thought the box cover was cool. Took it home, played for 10 minutes, and then felt like a complete jackass because I had worked so hard to coerce my parents to drive me to the video store, and I played it just because I felt I had to. :(

I was a sucker for all things ninja as a young kid. Sometimes I struck gold, but sometimes I ended up with trash. I so recall that feeling. . . my big birthday present being utter crap. I learned to ask for rental store gift cards instead of games quickly.

Hell, I still have bullets to dodge and I thank Gamefly for saving me tons of money on terrible titles and middling titles that are only good as renters. . . In the last few months, I've dodged four purchase I would have made without blinking if I did not use Gamefly first:Soul Calibur III (load screens kill the story mode), Ultimate Spider-Man (good, but short), Wild Arms: Alter Code F (complete crap), Shining Force Neo (horrible voice-acting, repetitive gameplay, predictable story).

Rirath

12-12-2005, 11:01 AM

Funny... The Revolution shows nothing, Nintendo is genius and will save gaming!
The PS3 shows little (E3, folks), and Sony's as hated as ever.

For all the whining people do about promises made during the PS2 era, it's been a dang nice console as far as I'm concerned regardless. Final Fantasy X blew me away graphically. Of course, I didn't pick it up until a year or so into its life. I expect the PS3 to be the same. The only way to win this game is to either collect em all, or pick a camp and be happy.

As for a lack of hype, sometimes I still manage to be surprised. I tend to avoid as much hype about a game as I can, then head over to metacritic to get some quick info and opinion. Quake 4 was much better than I expected, Dragon Quest VIII kinda came out of nowhere for me (never followed the series), and I wouldn't have ever played Katamari or Guitar Hero without some online word of mouth.

AspectVoid

12-12-2005, 11:04 AM

I was a sucker for all things ninja as a young kid. Sometimes I struck gold, but sometimes I ended up with trash. I so recall that feeling. . . my big birthday present being utter crap. I learned to ask for rental store gift cards instead of games quickly.

Hell, I still have bullets to dodge and I thank Gamefly for saving me tons of money on terrible titles and middling titles that are only good as renters. . . In the last few months, I've dodged four purchase I would have made without blinking if I did not use Gamefly first:Soul Calibur III (load screens kill the story mode), Ultimate Spider-Man (good, but short), Wild Arms: Alter Code F (complete crap), Shining Force Neo (horrible voice-acting, repetitive gameplay, predictable story).

Wow, I'm almost in the exact same situation as you, except that Wild Arms is on my "to rent" list. I'm a huge sucker for the series, as I've loved all three of the previous games. I'm more then willing to give it a rental shot at least.

Taco

12-12-2005, 11:04 AM

Special rules apply to the formula for generating logic behind being a Nintendo fan.

Much like Apple.

Rirath

12-12-2005, 11:10 AM

Special rules apply to the formula for generating logic behind being a Nintendo fan.

Much like Apple.

Your words are wise, sensei.
I must meditate on this...

bean19

12-12-2005, 11:10 AM

Wow, I'm almost in the exact same situation as you, except that Wild Arms is on my "to rent" list. I'm a huge sucker for the series, as I've loved all three of the previous games. I'm more then willing to give it a rental shot at least.

Wild Arms: Alter Code F mini-review. - Graphics have never been the strong-suit of the series, as it has always focused more on RPG elements and puzzle-solving, but Alter Code F appears even less pretty than the others. Where this becomes a problem is when you enter dungeons and have difficulty seeing the difference between elevations, or even have dark patches on the map with drops that take you off the map. It was so bad that I couldn't even complete the first dungeon. I became frustrated and said to hell with it.

The fighting gameplay is identical to previous games with the expanding circular menu, special attacks that "charge up" when you deal damage or receive damage, as well as having magic users draw from MP (as per usual), and a slot for Arms that will use Ammo instead of MP. This is still really good like the other games, but I would expect the series to have added something new.

Also, there is not an opening anime sequence. I used to put Wild Arms in just to watch that opening anime sequence. . . you know, back in the day. It is rivaled only by the Suikoden III opening IMO.

Rirath

12-12-2005, 11:21 AM

Also, there is not an opening anime sequence. I used to put Wild Arms in just to watch that opening anime sequence. . . you know, back in the day. It is rivaled only by the Suikoden III opening IMO.

Oh how I miss the tradition of jaw dropping FMV openings and songs.
Off topic and random, but my favorite game openings of all time remain:

1) Soul Blade - (We all need, to shine on, to see...)
2) Chrono Cross - (When did the wheels of fate begin to turn...)
3) Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete - (In your dreams, magical thoughts...)
4) Sonic CD - (What to y' get - Say - Fast Jet, Doom Room - Cosmic zoom, Heads up Jake - It's SONIC BOOM!!!)

DrHogie

12-12-2005, 11:23 AM

I used to put Wild Arms in just to watch that opening anime sequence. . . you know, back in the day.

Never played Wild Arms -- never had the time -- but I'd watch that opening sequence on my brother's PS1 again and again. That theme song RULES.

t3g

12-12-2005, 11:27 AM

Sony cracks me up. Remember when the PS1 launched it had Warhawk and Tekken and Wipeout and Twisted Metal? Remember when the PSP launched that it had Wipeout and Twisted Metal. Knowing Sony, they will have the same games for each system launch except with a 5 or 6 in the name.

How lame.

AspectVoid

12-12-2005, 11:39 AM

Never played Wild Arms -- never had the time -- but I'd watch that opening sequence on my brother's PS1 again and again. That theme song RULES.

Yeah, that is one of the best video game songs out there, IMO. I still throw it in on occasion just to hear that opening song.

Borys

12-12-2005, 11:43 AM

Nice one Taco :)

I thought we were cool?

Achilles

12-12-2005, 12:08 PM

I can’t believe they still think they’re going to launch in Spring. If Warhawk is only 3-5 months away, shouldn’t there be some gameplay screenshots at least somewhere?

Even if the MGS4 thing was in real-time, which I assume it was given the graphics, there was no gameplay shown there at all.

Maybe they should write an article describing the gameplay experience of warhawk and how it’s graphics look if they don’t see fit to put out a screenshot or two.

“As your fighter, viewed from a fixed 3rd person rear camera perspective, passes through the full volumetric clouds they bend and twist in real time. The tracer rounds from your gun kick out glowing shards which bounce off the normal-mapped wings of your plane according to real physics, and fleck them with dynamic lighting. bla bla bla."

Citizen Philip

12-12-2005, 12:11 PM

I may have misunderstood you, but you seemed to be saying that I should ge aggitated at having spent $500 on an inferior machine.

See?

Some people bought the 360 because they feel it offers the best choice for them, some people bought the 360 because they thought it was the best choice. Anyone from the former group is probably going to be content, no matter what happens; those from the latter group have to wait for the PS3 to be released and spent some time on the market before they know if what they bought is the best.

Anyone who could have potentially bought either a 360 or PS3 are going to to have to bite their nails down to their elbows before they can be vindicated: those who choose to wait for the PS3 are in an equal position: are they wasting months without either system?

Royal Fool

12-12-2005, 12:19 PM

I suppose there's a chance Sony are holding off showing the games for a big media blowout and because they don't want to interfere with PS2 sales.

But really, with all this hype over the games and the console's supposed graphical amazingness that will make your films age like fine wine, cook dinner and give your girlfriend multiple orgasms... it is very strange we're not seeing anything at all, especially if they're really launching in the middle of 2006.

Rirath

12-12-2005, 01:29 PM

console's supposed graphical amazingness that will make your films age like fine wine,

Most folk's eyesight will worsen over the years, hence they'll no longer notice video imperfections.

cook dinner

http://www.ps3grill.com

and give your girlfriend multiple orgasms...

Set that boomerang's vibrate to max and pop in an action/fighting game.
Highscore!

Rirath

12-12-2005, 01:32 PM

Knowing Sony, they will have the same games for each system launch except with a 5 or 6 in the name.

Wow, good thing MS and Nintendo haven't launched consoles with sequels!
Oh... wait... (And for the record, the PSP launch lineup rocked.)

Mason

12-12-2005, 01:39 PM

Funny... The Revolution shows nothing, Nintendo is genius and will save gaming!
The PS3 shows little (E3, folks), and Sony's as hated as ever.

Actually, since Nintendo isn't trying to compete on graphics, why would you want screenshots? Demos of games using the new controller will be very informative, but screenshots just really aren't as relevant to Nintendo's offering. I won't care what their games look like until someone can sit down with them for a few hours and tell everyone whether or not the controller sucks.

Sony is staking the whole value of their next generation on graphics. They don't have new controllers, and they don't have a comprehensive online experience, they have graphics. So screenshots and movies are absolutely relevant to what Sony is trying to sell you.

Plus, Nintendo is going for "Summer 2006", while Sony is still claiming to go for "Spring 2006". That's a big difference in the life-cycles of the consoles. No matter how you want to slice it, Sony is late in showing us what the PS3 can do. I can understand why: they don't want to compete with PS2 titles, they want the 360 to become old news before they unveil their stuff, and they want to give their developers as long as possible to get things looking okay before showing it off. Still, if they were confident in their offerings, why would they kowtow to those factors?

BenN1ce

12-12-2005, 01:49 PM

If they don't show anything new at that CES event then something is really wrong. They bought the biggest area on the floor for something. I would assume at least some of that space is for the PS3. If it not then they either have nothing or they are plain stupid.

Phades

12-12-2005, 02:05 PM

The way I see it, I think there's a few possibilities for Sony having not shown us much:

1. Their games don't look much or any better than 360 games and they want people to hold on to their imagined superiority. Seeing the reality would ruin that and make people just decided to go ahead and grab a 360 since it's out now.

2. Sony knows that Microsoft can't sell systems right now anyway because there's not enough. They want the biggest impact when they finally show what their system can do. When the 360 is available in better quantities, Sony will show what they have up their sleeve, blow everyone away and hurt sales of the 360 as people decide to wait for Sony's superior offering.

3. Sony is nowhere near being able to make a Spring 2006 launch and doesn't have much of anything impressive to show off yet.

Magnanimous Gnome

12-12-2005, 05:23 PM

I was expelled from the PC fanatic community for my genuine lack of enthusiasm. I like strategy games, economic simulators (Tropico Pirates, and those "build a city" games )

It's too bad the PC market really doesn't see good titles in those genres anymore. I love turn-based strategy games and economic building games like Tropico, but you just don't see that many of them anymore, and the few that do come out are poor clones. I'd kill for Age of Wonders 3, but sadly Triumph is hard at work on some console game. Bastards.

Unless it's an Age of Wonders title for the DS or something. Then I love them!! :D

Achilles

12-12-2005, 05:32 PM

It's too bad the PC market really doesn't see good titles in those genres anymore. I love turn-based strategy games and economic building games like Tropico, but you just don't see that many of them anymore, and the few that do come out are poor clones. I'd kill for Age of Wonders 3, but sadly Triumph is hard at work on some console game. Bastards.

Unless it's an Age of Wonders title for the DS or something. Then I love them!! :DAge of Wonders could be on anything really. It's just turn-based grid movement for combat and some snap-to city stuff. The free-move for ordering units around would be the hardest part but that wouldn't be a big deal. Sounds like something that would be fun over Xbox Live.

Have you played Hearts of Iron 2? Talk about a strategy game. I think that came out a year ago.

Rirath

12-12-2005, 10:03 PM

Actually, since Nintendo isn't trying to compete on graphics, why would you want screenshots?

That's the funniest line I've heard in awhile. Gee, I don't know... to see what type of games this Revolutionary controller is going to work with and to get some ideas of how it plays? A commerical of people imagining doesn't do much for me. How about to see the next gen /style/ of my favorite series? None the less, I'm willing to wait.

Sony is staking the whole value of their next generation on graphics. They don't have new controllers, and they don't have a comprehensive online experience, they have graphics.

Sony might also have a little thing called gameplay and titles/genres that I'm interested in. Much like Nintendo. I know, graphics blind people. You show a pretty screenshot and ZOMG that must be all you have. I don't care less about online play on a console, and a wireless dual shock works fine for me, thanks.

Twigz'N'Berries

12-12-2005, 10:07 PM

I dunno, man, I'm not in the least bit bothered that I have an Xbox 360 right now. Quite the opposite. I am, however, groing rather weary of people who don't own an Xbox 360 saying how much it sucks and that the PS3 will piss all over the 360!
I couldn't agree with you more. I have my 360 and my only complaint is that it is loud. I am having a blast getting my ass handed to me in PD0. Honestly, I dig the multiplayer more than Halo's.
All these people who sit back and say the Xbox 360 launch was a failure amazes me. They have sold out in the US. Japan really wasn't a surprise to most. The demand in the US is strong enough to get people to pay upwards of $1000 to $1500 on EBAY. Yet, people still categorize the system as a failure...and it has been out for less than a month.
As far as I'm concerned, the launch has been a success; I have my 360 and I'm playing games w/a LOT of happy 360 owners. I hear the most complaints from those who do not own the system...weird. You'd think that these people have stock in Sony or a personal grudge against MS.

Citizen Philip

12-12-2005, 10:23 PM

It's too bad the PC market really doesn't see good titles in those genres anymore. I love turn-based strategy games and economic building games like Tropico, but you just don't see that many of them anymore, and the few that do come out are poor clones. I'd kill for Age of Wonders 3, but sadly Triumph is hard at work on some console game. Bastards.

Unless it's an Age of Wonders title for the DS or something. Then I love them!! :D

I believe the market is about the same, but costs have gone way up so the market is totally depressed for the kind of niche games I enjoy. Maybe in a few years if costs go down, I can enjoy more.

My brother plays Heart of Iron. I'm looking for that Age of Legends or something.. dunno what that is gonna be like.

Magnanimous Gnome

12-13-2005, 09:31 AM

Age of Wonders could be on anything really. It's just turn-based grid movement for combat and some snap-to city stuff. The free-move for ordering units around would be the hardest part but that wouldn't be a big deal. Sounds like something that would be fun over Xbox Live.

Have you played Hearts of Iron 2? Talk about a strategy game. I think that came out a year ago.

Technically Age of Wonders could work on any system - but can you honesty see the title on the Xbox, Gamecube, PS2, or whatever? No doubt it would be "consolized" if even released at all. I want a sequel to be upgraded and new obviously, but not radically different.