PS3 Will Definitely be Very Powerful [Archive]

BenN1ce

12-09-2005, 01:37 AM

Here is a good article from Official Playstation Magazine.

Head on over to VE3D.com (http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/674/674579p1.html) and hit the forum link.

Yes, the game is targeted to run at 1080x720 [sic], a.k.a. 720p resolution if you have a high-definition display. We asked Epic Games vice president Mark Rein, who was also present at the demo, about the target frame rate. “It’s simply too early to say, but we’re aiming for it to be as high as possible,” he responded. For the record, the 720p, totally un-optimized build running on hardware less powerful than the final PS3 spec was clipping along at 49fps.

bapenguin

12-09-2005, 03:54 AM

Umm.....duh?

MasterEvilAce

12-09-2005, 04:00 AM

I appreciate the link to a news article that links to a forum post. Shit, stuff like that causes blackholes.

AspectVoid

12-09-2005, 04:02 AM

Honestly, I wouldn't believe a PSM article about the PS3 anymore then I would an OXM article on the 360. Which is to say, I wouldn't believe either of them. I'd rather wait for a truly independant source to comment on the power of the system then someone tied to the hardware.

bjornbarspingvinen

12-09-2005, 04:04 AM

.... well, I have heard several developers having issues with the framerate on the ps3. But who cares, everything is BS until we actually see the games, right now all sony has shown is running movies of their "games"...

KamaItachi

12-09-2005, 04:05 AM

Water wet!

Fire Burns!

Money can be exchanged for goods and services!

Thanks PSM!

Vandenh

12-09-2005, 04:08 AM

51|RandoM

12-09-2005, 04:14 AM

The cell concept(multicore) is actually pretty powerful. Kind of curious how it showed up in the videogame world before mainstream computing.

The big stumblingblock, obviously, is the software. Multiprocessor code(which is what you really need for multicore)is not a trivial bit of work. Just like previous consoles that had multiple chips(segragated to different purposes)programming to effectively harness the multiple cell cores of the ps3 will NOT be a trivial matter. The biggest issue you find in a system like this is timing. When does this calculation finish? What other calcs does it require to produce datum? Very trick, very complex, if one wishes to harness multiple cores.

I think the early xbox360 games are showing just how hard it is(by being very selective in utilization, and not ultimately using the power at hand). The 360 is capable of AMAZING feats that we've not seen yet, and won't see in a production game for awhile.

Vandenh

12-09-2005, 04:15 AM

>Kind of curious how it showed up in the videogame world before mainstream computing.

It tried.. Apple dumped it.

bapenguin

12-09-2005, 04:17 AM

There have been rumors floating around that Cell right now is a mess for games programming. Not in how hard it is, but how bad it is to run actual code. With the almost total silence from Sony on anything PS3 (especially with the 360 launch) it does look like there is something fishy going on. I am sure we will see some of the "power" of PS3 at E3. Right now it is all "meh" to me... prerendered movies have totally ruined credibilty.

My biggest thing is...what the hell is coming out for the damn thing!?!? Besides Killzone 2, UT2007 and MGS4 we haven't seen much of anything else. it's 6 months before the supposed japanese launch and we haven't seen anything at all. 6 months before the XBox 360 launch....we had E3 with playable demos of numerous games from numerous developers.

lost

12-09-2005, 04:18 AM

Assumptions all over the shop here people.

You don't know to what extent footage has been pre-rendered. I would have thought that in this late stage of the game a lot of developers aiming for launch wouldn't bother with prerendering. Like has been said, it destroys credibility. The in-game graphics stand a fair chance of not quite being the same as the videos but since when have movies been the same as trailers etc etc. Plus, as much as I would admit to being a Sony devotee, the current videos aren't THAT much more amazing that what some of the 360 games look like you know.

Oh and rumours you'll trust rumours from completely useless sources about programming on the cell but you won't trust people who at least have access to developers?

Morratut

12-09-2005, 04:18 AM

What I want to know is how a 80% online game is going to handle on Sonys fragmented online service.

Straight away I was readin this article thinking 'yes I know it's going to be powerful, thats a given but please have a good unified online service'.

UT2007 for the PS3 could be a killer app for Sony. In fact i'm suprised it isn't been developed for the 360 also. Or is it?

bapenguin

12-09-2005, 04:19 AM

The cell concept(multicore) is actually pretty powerful. Kind of curious how it showed up in the videogame world before mainstream computing.

Multicore (dual core at least) as been in home PCs for a year or so now. Is it mainstream? No....not yet....why? Cost.

fitbabits

12-09-2005, 04:27 AM

Dear PSM,

You're about as reliable and trustworthy as a beach buggy in a blizzard.

Sincerely,

fitbabits

Frogleg Special

12-09-2005, 04:32 AM

UT2007 on PC > UT2007 on Any Consoles. Why: Keyboard+Mouse.

BTW, no more "Championship" because it bombed?

51|RandoM

12-09-2005, 04:35 AM

Multicore (dual core at least) as been in home PCs for a year or so now. Is it mainstream? No....not yet....why? Cost.

Actually, I would disagree with you. Most home consumers buy pre=built computers. Which, effectively speaking, equals DELL. Dell=intel. Intel has multicore, but it is neither top end, nor low end. Sort of an ambiguity, I'd say. They're not exactly pushing it yet. They have it, they advertise it, which is enough.

Where dual core is really hitting is multi-tier business apps. I just happen to be a tech who specs, installs, and maintains multi-tier systems. The multi-core procs are OWNING the web space. AMD's opteron is the ummm, pinnacle. Putting the memory controller on die and utilizizing a shorter pipeline is/was ingenious. Honestly, if there is one or more people who pushed them that way, instead of intels insanely long pipeline, those people deserve massive credit.

In terms of multi-core servers, Suns Opteron offerings are sweeeeeet. I'm a Sun guy, fyi, call me a fanboy, whatever, Sun has guaranteed me a 6 figures salary every year for the last 6, and I pay my dues. Their opteron boxes are the best, period. HP and IBM make similar machines, who takes home the SPEC benchmarks? Sun does.

Why? Because Andy Becholstein is a smart cookie. He saw where this tier was going and built a company---and a line of servers---to address it. Sun hired him back into the fold and gave him back his original employee id badge( NUMBER ONE). Sun doesn't reuse numbers and he was number one before. A fun bit of trivia, especially how he is definately employee number 1 right now.

Suicidal ShiZuru

12-09-2005, 04:38 AM

Vandenh

12-09-2005, 04:40 AM

>Also I cant wait for PS3 games to look exactly like the Killzone and MGS footage... would be awesome...

You forgot the /sarcasm tag (I hope!)

Morratut

12-09-2005, 04:53 AM

>Also I cant wait for PS3 games to look exactly like the Killzone and MGS footage... would be awesome...

You forgot the /sarcasm tag (I hope!)

LOL, I was wondering on that too. If anyone is expecting PS3 games to look that good then your in for a big fall.

Zeal

12-09-2005, 04:57 AM

No offense, but EA needs to start checking some of this shit before it's posted as news.

It's becoming unprofessional.

phantomhitman

12-09-2005, 04:59 AM

UT2007 on PC > UT2007 on Any Consoles. Why: Keyboard+Mouse.

I thought all the next gen systems were taking advantage of the keyboard and mouse. I do agree with you, keyboard+mouse is better for ANY FPS, regardless if it is halo or quake.

bapenguin

12-09-2005, 05:25 AM

No offense, but EA needs to start checking some of this shit before it's posted as news.

It's becoming unprofessional.

And what is wrong with this post? It's contains quotes from Epic on the PS3 power.

fitbabits

12-09-2005, 05:28 AM

And what is wrong with this post? It's contains quotes from Epic on the PS3 power.
The only thing 'wrong' with it is that it doesn't resonate with Zeal.

disc

12-09-2005, 05:47 AM

That is pretty damn impressive I'd say.

The Beta kits of the PS3 have an extremely limited bandwidth to the graphics chip (something that will be fixed in the new kit that's coming very soon) so that they manage the UT2007 and MGS4 demos in realtime really is impressive. In their case they probably download all the textures to the graphics part and let them reside their for the duration of the demo.

Quoting framerates on that beta-kit is a bit silly though.

(MGS4, UT2007 realtime. Killzone 3, Motorstorm prerendered.)

OUX

12-09-2005, 05:53 AM

The cell concept(multicore) is actually pretty powerful. Kind of curious how it showed up in the videogame world before mainstream computing.

The only industry that moves into computer innovation faster than gaming is the porn industry

Voodoo

12-09-2005, 06:03 AM

No offense, but EA needs to start checking some of this shit before it's posted as news.

It's becoming unprofessional.

Last I heard, to be professional one has to be paid for what one does... Keep in mind that everyone that does things for Evil Avatar do so for aboslutely no money. I, for one, would shell out the monthly fee (if needed) to host Evil Avatar if everything started to crumble on the hosting side. Hey... Did you know you can post news too?! I can't wait to see your first submission.

:o

Voodoo

12-09-2005, 06:04 AM

The only industry that moves into computer innovation faster than gaming is the porn industry

That is absolutely true. The primary motivator of PC technology is gaming and the primary motivator of faster internet speeds is porn.

Suicidal ShiZuru

12-09-2005, 06:09 AM

LOL, I was wondering on that too. If anyone is expecting PS3 games to look that good then your in for a big fall.

I thought my use of "..." indicated my sarcasm... Anyways. Im one of the last people who will make assumptions about something like that, for all we know the PS3 could be 8-bit and Sony is tricking us all. I hate speculation.

~~Forgot to say... Im pretty sure it will be more powerful, at least in certain ways, than the 360... I hope...

ReaverX

12-09-2005, 06:09 AM

You guys need to be more clear. There are TWO PSM mags, one sucks, the OFFICIAL PlayStation Magazine, and the good one, just PSM... I was getting pissed with the bashing of PSM until I realized you mean OPSM...

Also I cant wait for PS3 games to look exactly like the Killzone and MGS footage... would be awesome...

And Random... stop being so random... the question was referring to home pcs... not friggin servers... thanks for thr needless rant...

Is your head on backwards?! PSM isn't worth blowing my friggin nose with. I mean it looks like somebody detonated a paint bomb in the thing and covered the resulting mess with label maker stamps. I find OPM to be one of my favorite mags though.

Suicidal ShiZuru

12-09-2005, 06:12 AM

I got sick of OPM after countless years of subsciptions when they got all these bullshit celebrities for interviews and other things like that, I stuck around a bit longer only for the demo discs. PSM is great. I guess the paint remarks were of the new design but I like it, besides who gives a shit what the layout of the magazine is. Ive never had any trouble with false info or anythign to that extent and its a fun read.

Schnoogs

12-09-2005, 06:31 AM

Actually, I would disagree with you. Most home consumers buy pre=built computers. Which, effectively speaking, equals DELL. Dell=intel. Intel has multicore, but it is neither top end, nor low end. Sort of an ambiguity, I'd say. They're not exactly pushing it yet. They have it, they advertise it, which is enough.

Where dual core is really hitting is multi-tier business apps. I just happen to be a tech who specs, installs, and maintains multi-tier systems. The multi-core procs are OWNING the web space. AMD's opteron is the ummm, pinnacle. Putting the memory controller on die and utilizizing a shorter pipeline is/was ingenious. Honestly, if there is one or more people who pushed them that way, instead of intels insanely long pipeline, those people deserve massive credit.

In terms of multi-core servers, Suns Opteron offerings are sweeeeeet. I'm a Sun guy, fyi, call me a fanboy, whatever, Sun has guaranteed me a 6 figures salary every year for the last 6, and I pay my dues. Their opteron boxes are the best, period. HP and IBM make similar machines, who takes home the SPEC benchmarks? Sun does.

Why? Because Andy Becholstein is a smart cookie. He saw where this tier was going and built a company---and a line of servers---to address it. Sun hired him back into the fold and gave him back his original employee id badge( NUMBER ONE). Sun doesn't reuse numbers and he was number one before. A fun bit of trivia, especially how he is definately employee number 1 right now.

You're dead wrong....the bottom line is that they HAVE been available for a while in PCs.

Your post does nothing to change the fact that people like myself have had dual cores and dual cpus at home well before these next gen consoles hit the market.

Reanimated

12-09-2005, 06:37 AM

I thought PS3 games were going to be 1080p?

joruussuun

12-09-2005, 06:40 AM

I thought PS3 games were going to be 1080p?
LIES! ALL LIES!!! :D

Xerxes

12-09-2005, 07:06 AM

UT2007 on PC > UT2007 on Any Consoles. Why: Keyboard+Mouse.

BTW, no more "Championship" because it bombed?

Don't turn this is into a KBM vs Controller match shit... Can't go nowhere with out someone wanting to start that shit up... And Championship's (uc2) bombing didn't take away from it being solid....

Xerxes

12-09-2005, 07:08 AM

My biggest thing is...what the hell is coming out for the damn thing!?!? Besides Killzone 2, UT2007 and MGS4 we haven't seen much of anything else. it's 6 months before the supposed japanese launch and we haven't seen anything at all. 6 months before the XBox 360 launch....we had E3 with playable demos of numerous games from numerous developers.

Hell we haven't even seen those... Not on ps3 atleast...

Grifter

12-09-2005, 07:11 AM

I thought PS3 games were going to be 1080p?

Don't forget the Dual 1080p output at 120fps :rolleyes:

PacerDawn

12-09-2005, 09:23 AM

What I want to know is:

Yes, the game is targeted to run at 1080x720 [sic]

How did they misspell "1080x720"?

Frogleg Special

12-09-2005, 09:40 AM

Don't turn this is into a KBM vs Controller match shit... Can't go nowhere with out someone wanting to start that shit up... And Championship's (uc2) bombing didn't take away from it being solid....

The reason it bombed is somehow connected with the controller. Less every-platform people are interested in playing a fast paced FPS like Unreal Tournament with a controller. Ergo, nuff said.

Xerxes

12-09-2005, 09:56 AM

Frogleg Special

12-09-2005, 10:10 AM

I didn't have no probems finding a match on Live. You ASS-, -ume it bombed because the controller. It didn't even bomb, it just didn't sell well. Good ratings was it's validation like alot of good games no one plays. UC2 wasn't even like a typical UT game.

Yeah, bombed is harsher than it should. But UC2 is the console game. Logically, it should overtake a high-end PC game like UT2004 sales by a large margin. Assume? Why? I got friends who play both Xbox and PC, and seem to enjoy more of UT2004 at its heyday.

The last nail in the coffin is, why does Epic name only Unreal Tournament 2007 as the next MP-oriented FPS for all the platforms; Unreal Championship 3 where art thou?

Venkman

12-09-2005, 02:53 PM

The last nail in the coffin is, why does Epic name only Unreal Tournament 2007 as the next MP-oriented FPS for all the platforms; Unreal Championship 3 where art thou?

Different dev teams, I would imagine.

Twigz'N'Berries

12-09-2005, 04:03 PM

Not to add fuel to the fire, but I haven't seen any new vids from in-game PS3 projects so far. I was really expecting them to turn up the intensity about now and I have seen nothing. I am starting to worry about what is going on with Sony. I'm sure they are trying to keep things closer to their brest than showing their cards (a new one for this company) but this is eerily silent.