New Xbox 360 Shipment On Dec 16?

[Gotti]

According to this internal Best Buy newsletter (http://www.gamersreports.com/news/362/) submitted to Gamers Reports by a reader, the new shipment of Xbox 360 consoles will hit stores on December 16.

[phantomhitman]

thanks, what i have been waiting for. however, what doesw it mean by all stores most hold 20 pro units?

[Hijinx]

The 2nd week of December has been the rumored 2nd shipment for awhile now. Not just from Best Buy ;)

[rein]

I think bigger news... ..since there was already a post about Best Buy having 360's on the 18th for an ad... ..is that the next batch of premium consoles will not have the dvd remote. Paragraph Remote with Xbox 360 Pro points out the sticker at the corner of the box indicates systems with remote included and that the next shipment will not have them.

[XenonCJ]

Is this article bullshit? It also says how they are pulling Sony music CDs that are all infected with a virus?

[GrinR]

I won't be getting one then, either. The notion of hunting one down weeks after launch? No thanks. I'll wait for MS to get it right.

[tenchiker]

lol XenonCJ where the fuck have you been? Did you miss the 10 or so posts about the sony rootkit fiasco?

[WileE.Coyte]

WTF! Why can't Microsoft just reach down and grab a pair and announce when the 2nd shipment will come. I've never bought into all the internet *** hate until now. They finnaly gave ME a reason to be personally pissed off. Jerks!

[markster3000]

I find it interesting that in the memo, it refers to the root-kit CDs as virus infected. By no means was there a virus on those CDs! In fact, they did everything that Sony wanted them to do. Just, it meant that Sony (and ingenuitive hackers) now had a backdoor into your computer.

Corporate spin teams: 1
The Truth: 0

[XenonCJ]

lol XenonCJ where the fuck have you been? Did you miss the 10 or so posts about the sony rootkit fiasco?Ditto Maskster3000... A "fucked up Root Kit" isn't exactly = a virus...

[motor]

So does this mean that Major Nelson is a liar when he talked about the weekly shipments?

[bean19]

I think bigger news... ..since there was already a post about Best Buy having 360's on the 18th for an ad... ..is that the next batch of premium consoles will not have the dvd remote. Paragraph Remote with Xbox 360 Pro points out the sticker at the corner of the box indicates systems with remote included and that the next shipment will not have them.

Yeah, I totally had this news early. ;)

Also, I agree, no remote sucks donkey ass.

My post on 12/01 from this thread (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7610&page=2&pp=40):
I have a source at Best Buy that informed me that their replenishments will hit shelves on December 18th, as they are replinishing to conincide with an ad campaign. The idea is to have a reasonably large number of the units so that they can pull shoppers in with the ad and deliver for a good number of them.

[bean19]

WTF! Why can't Microsoft just reach down and grab a pair and announce when the 2nd shipment will come. I've never bought into all the internet *** hate until now. They finnaly gave ME a reason to be personally pissed off. Jerks!

Um. . . you realize that Best Buy is holding off selling units in order to have at least 20 of them to coincide with their Dec. 18th ad?

Best Buy is getting them at their distributor but sending them to stores on Dec. 16th as a marketing tool for Dec. 18th.

Other retailers are getting them around the 10th, and should have them in stores around the 12th. The reason replenishments have sucked ass for so long is that they are launching in Europe and Japane. . . and they did not have enough units for launch.

[Hg-203]

Wait, quick question, is it just the next batch/batches, or from now on that the remotes won't be included in the premium pack?

[Groo]

Wait, quick question, is it just the next batch/batches, or from now on that the remotes won't be included in the premium pack?

From now on, remotes will not be included in the premium pack.

[Kelegacy]

From now on, remotes will not be included in the premium pack.

Can you still play movies on it out of the box? That does kind of suck that there's no remote. I think 100 bucks extra for the premium is crazy (if it wasn't for the 100 buck hard drive, I'd buy a Core) but some of the accessories, like the remote included, make it a bit more attractive.

[Heretic Machine]

I find it interesting that in the memo, it refers to the root-kit CDs as virus infected. By no means was there a virus on those CDs! In fact, they did everything that Sony wanted them to do. Just, it meant that Sony (and ingenuitive hackers) now had a backdoor into your computer.


How does that make it not a virus? Just because a company created it, doesn't make it legitimate. It was malicious software, it was a virus, the fact that it was made by the world of big business only makes it more sinister.

Personally, I think that the CEO of Sony needs to be sitting in prison right now for this little fiasco. If you or I did the same thing, you better believe we'd be in jail.

[*Legion*]

WTF! Why can't Microsoft just reach down and grab a pair and announce when the 2nd shipment will come.

They already have. They've said all along, and reaffirmed, that they are shipping units to retailers continuously. There is no "2nd shipment". Systems are being shipped as they are being made.

But MS shipping systems doesn't mean they go directly onto shelves. They go through the retailers' distribution channels, standing preorders get filled, etc.

Sounds like retailers may be building up stock for a big advertisable sales weekend instead of just trickling them out as they get them.

[markster3000]

How does that make it not a virus?
True, but on the other hand, saying that the CDs are "virus infected" seems to absolve Sony of any wrong doing. That they were just victims in the whole process, and their CDs were "infected" by this terrible thing.

The greater public needs to know that it was Sony that did it, and not some generic "hacker" who writes viruses.

[rein]

They already have. They've said all along, and reaffirmed, that they are shipping units to retailers continuously. There is no "2nd shipment". Systems are being shipped as they are being made.

But MS shipping systems doesn't mean they go directly onto shelves. They go through the retailers' distribution channels, standing preorders get filled, etc.

Sounds like retailers may be building up stock for a big advertisable sales weekend instead of just trickling them out as they get them.

Name one retailer who has confirmed second shipments of 360's.

[Morrolan]

I could care less about the remote. Now that the controller is wireless, and can be used to control movies... whatev, man. Not a big deal at all.

[bean19]

Name one retailer who has confirmed second shipments of 360's.

Best Buy - not confirmed officialy, but Dec. 18th

Gamestop - not confirmed officially, but Dec. 10-12. However, you will have to be on their preorder list to even have a chance. Also, the top 500 or so stores will be getting 2 units on Dec. 6th.

[rein]

Best Buy - not confirmed officialy, but Dec. 18th

Gamestop - not confirmed officially, but Dec. 10-12. However, you will have to be on their preorder list to even have a chance. Also, the top 500 or so stores will be getting 2 units on Dec. 6th.

confirmed that they are coming.. ..not that they have received shipments. If you listen to MS they sound like they have been trickling them out since release. I understand it takes time but MS seems to be passing the buck to the retailers for the supply issues. Personally I don't care, I have one. I just think MS should buck up and accept responsibility. Hell, they should pretend they were not aware of the demand their new product would have. Oh no, we can't believe how popular our new product is... ...everyone wants one... ...nobody wants to wait for that other console.. ..we will get them to you asap! instead we get... What? We mailed it out last week. What do you mean you didn't get it?

[mister_slim]

What a strange launch this is turning out to be. Worse than the PS2, maybe?

[GrinR]

What a strange launch this is turning out to be. Worse than the PS2, maybe?

Worst launch I've ever seen. Really. Shocking. It's like a new low for launches.

[bstiff]

Yawn!!! Already lost interest in the xbox 360 after this whole fiasco. Seems like MS may have shot themselves in the foot with this whole release thing. Was at the game shop today and saw multiple people coming in to buy ps2's. I heard the clerk talking with one customer and he said there's been a huge demand for ps2's this season mainly due to the xbox shortage.

On another note, the stores seemed really empty this weekend despite it being 3 weeks till xmas. Has anyone else noticed the same?

[Kelegacy]

Yawn!!! Already lost interest in the xbox 360 after this whole fiasco. Seems like MS may have shot themselves in the foot with this whole release thing. Was at the game shop today and saw multiple people coming in to buy ps2's. I heard the clerk talking with one customer and he said there's been a huge demand for ps2's this season mainly due to the xbox shortage.

On another note, the stores seemed really empty this weekend despite it being 3 weeks till xmas. Has anyone else noticed the same?
I've noticed a barren wasteland near me too, at this was at Wal-Mart. Maybe people are realizing that to be happy at Christmas you don't need material possessions? Or maybe not.

If Sony dropped their PS2's price, i think even more would be sold for Xmas. As far as this 360 launch is concerned, Sony can glide into the next gen without much worry, I think. They'll outsell the 360 this Xmas and be ready to launch in Japan by the time the 360 is actually available in quantities.

[bstiff]

I usually avoid going to the store during normal shopping hours from black friday until sometime in mid january unless it's an absolute emergency. been out a couple times this past week and there are like no lines anywhere even the mall wasn't very crowded. I've never understood the holiday shopping frenzy people get themselves worked up into. I was out early black friday and they were actually people there with those 2 way radios: "Im in housewares... go to electronics and get the TV..." You'd think they were selling the cure to cancer or something over the holidays.

[Heretic Machine]

Anyone who says this is worse than the PS2 launch is a complete and utter dumbass, and should have their posting priveledges revoked. Not only was demand higher and supply lower, but the games were worse, and didn't get any better for like nine months. This is nothing compared to the PS2 launch.

I just love these people who say, "Screw the 360, I'm just gonna wait on the PS3!" Well, they better pre-order right now, because it's going to be a complete shit-storm when that thing arrives in stores.

[Danin]

The latest RetailInsider actuall indicates that we (Best Buy stores, that is) are to hold all 360s we receive until the 18th as per the newspaper ad that will be released that week. So please don't storm us on the 16th, we won't be able to sell you anything :(

Edit: Also indicated in the latest newsletter are the minimum guaranteed allocations of 20 units per store. Actual shipment quantities are determined by sellthrough rates of 360 games and accessories, but I don't have exact numbers yet.

[bstiff]

Anyone who says this is worse than the PS2 launch is a complete and utter dumbass, and should have their posting priveledges revoked. Not only was demand higher and supply lower, but the games were worse, and didn't get any better for like nine months. This is nothing compared to the PS2 launch.

I just love these people who say, "Screw the 360, I'm just gonna wait on the PS3!" Well, they better pre-order right now, because it's going to be a complete shit-storm when that thing arrives in stores.
Im just mystified by MS's master plan to ship this thing to japan where's there's not much interest at all in it while at the same time short sheeting places like the US and europe where interest and demand are through the roof. From what I remember, the xbox has always done pretty poorly in japan because of poor support from developers in japan. I don't see what would be any different this time around.

[Abednigo]

I'm sure someone else has said this, but I don't want to read through all the posts....


New shipment on the 16th eh? That means I will put my 360 on Ebay on the 17th. ;)

[K0LM]

Where can I preorder one for this shipment?

[jspeak32]

You're right on that. I'm still mad about the crappy ps2 launch titles. I see it repeating itself for the PSP, I haven't found ANY games (except lumines, but im not really a puzzle-fan) that I think made the system worth its purchase.
The only thing that I might say will make the ps3 launch titles better is the fact that the X360 will have been out for awhile, so alot more 3rd party developers will be able to port over games they've already made...


Not only was demand higher and supply lower, but the games were worse, and didn't get any better for like nine months.

[jspeak32]

Im just mystified by MS's master plan to ship this thing to japan where's there's not much interest at all in it while at the same time short sheeting places like the US and europe where interest and demand are through the roof. From what I remember, the xbox has always done pretty poorly in japan because of poor support from developers in japan. I don't see what would be any different this time around.

They're trying to change things. Although I can't say the X360 will be a success in Japan (it might very well flop), they have snagged alot more 3rd party japanese developers to make games that will be right up their alley...
I bet they're not going to ship out very many units to japan at first anyway, i think they're going to look very closely how it does and if there's not a great demand, then they'll cut back on manufactoring as many for them, which means more for us.

[WileE.Coyte]

They already have. They've said all along, and reaffirmed, that they are shipping units to retailers continuously. There is no "2nd shipment". Systems are being shipped as they are being made.

But MS shipping systems doesn't mean they go directly onto shelves. They go through the retailers' distribution channels, standing preorders get filled, etc.

Sounds like retailers may be building up stock for a big advertisable sales weekend instead of just trickling them out as they get them.

That must be one hell of a conspiriacy then that not one store in my area has sold or had any preorders filled for a 360 since launch. I suppose every single Western NY retailer is working together on this.

[Scull]

Actually the new boxes will ship on the 16th, most stores will have them on the 18th. And MS isn't telling us how many we'll actually be getting yet. We're calling it "Release Day Part Deux"

[bean19]

Actually the new boxes will ship on the 16th, most stores will have them on the 18th. And MS isn't telling us how many we'll actually be getting yet. We're calling it "Release Day Part Deux"

Shipping to your store maybe. . . but Best Buy is obviously holding them in reserve for a promotional event. Whether they are holding them for a promotion at your warehouse or in the back of the store doesn't make much difference to the consumer that is having to wait for their product.

[Scull]

From now on, remotes will not be included in the premium pack.
No, from now on the limited edition remote won't be included with the Pro pack, there will still be a remote, just not the cool one.

[Groo]

Can you still play movies on it out of the box? That does kind of suck that there's no remote. I think 100 bucks extra for the premium is crazy (if it wasn't for the 100 buck hard drive, I'd buy a Core) but some of the accessories, like the remote included, make it a bit more attractive.

Yes, you can play movies out of the box. The remote is a nice accessory, and I would suggest picking one up if you get the chance (I believe it's $20).

[GrinR]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that whenever the "next shipment" shows up, it's going to be ransacked by resellers EVEN MORE than the original. Ebay and agressive consumers are the winners here, not MS or MS's customers.

[Heretic Machine]

The one you can actually buy in stores is different than the ones that came with the Premium system. It's larger, and has more functionality, especially if you own a Media Center PC. But I don't, so my remote works fine for DVD's...

Actually, come to think of it, the one in stores may function as a universal remote... I'll have to check that out.

[lazydestroyer]

So does this mean that Major Nelson is a liar when he talked about the weekly shipments?

Major Nelson has repeatedly stated that Microsoft is doing weekly shipments to retailers, and it's completely up to the retailers to decide when to put them on shelves.

[sTubbs]

When I was in my local EB on Friday (the one in Metrotown Mall in Burnaby, for those who know what that means), there were a number of bigger than usual boxes being loaded into the stock room with an unusual number of employees keeping their eyes on them - more than there usually are in the entire store on any given day. All questions referring to what was in those boxes were replied with "We don't know until we open them." Yeah, right...everyone in the store knew what those boxes contained. The idea of rioting was on many minds.

[InstaPete]

man. i was hoping this would stay a secret.

[rein]

When I was in my local EB on Friday (the one in Metrotown Mall in Burnaby, for those who know what that means), there were a number of bigger than usual boxes being loaded into the stock room with an unusual number of employees keeping their eyes on them - more than there usually are in the entire store on any given day. All questions referring to what was in those boxes were replied with "We don't know until we open them." Yeah, right...everyone in the store knew what those boxes contained. The idea of rioting was on many minds.


The boxes the 360's come in are small. There are only two systems per box. They were probably watching the boxes because it really isn't that uncommon for someone to try and bolt out of a store with a box.

[Twigz'N'Berries]

As far as this 360 launch is concerned, Sony can glide into the next gen without much worry, I think. They'll outsell the 360 this Xmas and be ready to launch in Japan by the time the 360 is actually available in quantities.
I'm sorry, but that statement was utter bullshit. Ok, that was harsh, but you need to define what 'in quantities' means. If you think that there will not be a lot more 360's available between now and the summer of 06 (that is when the PS3 is now scheduled to launch in Japan), you are mistaken. Also, if you believe that MS selling out of 360's (and giving away a ton) makes Sony feel like 'gliding' into the next gen, I'd love to know your reasoning. Was this the perfect launch; of course not. Did the 360 sellout like PS2 did...yes. At least I'm having fun w/my launch titles, Fantavision...Battle Arena Toshinden? I hope Sony does launch with the same quality of title.
I may still end up getting a PS3 when it comes out, but Sony better have a strong product at an attractive price if it wants my dollar. More advanced titles start hitting the 360 in 1st Quarter next year (N3, Oblivion, Saint's Row, Full Auto, Ench Arms...) and that will move some systems.

Anyone who says this is worse than the PS2 launch is a complete and utter dumbass, and should have their posting priveledges revoked. Not only was demand higher and supply lower, but the games were worse, and didn't get any better for like nine months. This is nothing compared to the PS2 launch.
I just love these people who say, "Screw the 360, I'm just gonna wait on the PS3!" Well, they better pre-order right now, because it's going to be a complete shit-storm when that thing arrives in stores.
Damn straight. Let me just say this; After playing with the revamped Xbox Live on the 360 the PS3 better have a butter interface for their system and change their mind about letting developers run the online show. Call of Duty 2 is awesome on the 360. I haven't touched Halo since I started playing it...in fact, come to think of it, I haven't played any of my old Xbox games.

[sTubbs]

The boxes the 360's come in are small. There are only two systems per box. They were probably watching the boxes because it really isn't that uncommon for someone to try and bolt out of a store with a box.

No, that is about the size I am talking about. During a normal shipment I have never seen anything like the security they had going on here. Typically the delivery guy just walks in and drops a few boxes off. Usually the boxes I see coming into that store are about the size of a shoebox that hold about twenty or so copies of a game or a little bigger - nothing as big as these were. Also, the other consoles come in boxes that are clearly marked as Sony or Nintendo or whatever, while these boxes were pretty non descript aside from some shipping information and indecipherable numbers. I am not saying that it is one hundred percent guaranteed they were 360s, but everything is telling me that they were.

Regardless, it matters not to me anyhow. I am waiting until after E3 2006 before making the jump into the next generation. There is still too much for me to do with the current gen, but the games start to really run dry around the time E3 hits, so it makes sense to wait and see some more concrete stuff out of Sony and Nintendo and also just how good the second wave of games for 360 are going to be.

Oh, and the remote not being included with future shipments is no surprise. From the beginning, MS said that the remote was a bonus for early adopters. It is a bit odd that they took it out so soon though, as I would have assumed that early adopters meant more than just those who got a 360 on day one.

And now this post has gone on far too long and it is far too late so I digress...

[Suicidal ShiZuru]

Blah blah blahhhh... worst launch ever no denying it. Fuck the amount of games, which imo the PS2 had more/better, its the system that matters.

[Paranoia]

Blah blah blahhhh... worst launch ever no denying it. Fuck the amount of games, which imo the PS2 had more/better, its the system that matters.

Blah blah blah blah..whine whine whine whine..

[Cubfan]

FYI, my girlfriend just called our local target (Chicago), and they just got some in this morning, she picked me up the Premium.

[Phades]

Blah blah blahhhh... worst launch ever no denying it. Fuck the amount of games, which imo the PS2 had more/better, its the system that matters.

If you think the PS2 had better launch games then you just ruined any credibility you may have had and proven yourself a Sony fanboy. That's the only explanation as there is ZERO question that the PS2's launch games were crap. As for it having more? Simple fact is that no, it did not.

The 360 may not have a Killer App in its lineup, but it's got several good to very good games.

[XenonCJ]

FYI, my girlfriend just called our local target (Chicago), and they just got some in this morning, she picked me up the Premium.Yep - Target (Houston) had some the day after thanksgiving as well... Just Core ones though.

I think the people bitching about the "worst launch evar!" need to like get out of thier computer chair and go to the store...

hint: go when the store 1st opens, that means waking up early... =)

[Mortis]

When I was in my local EB on Friday (the one in Metrotown Mall in Burnaby, for those who know what that means), there were a number of bigger than usual boxes being loaded into the stock room with an unusual number of employees keeping their eyes on them - more than there usually are in the entire store on any given day. All questions referring to what was in those boxes were replied with "We don't know until we open them." Yeah, right...everyone in the store knew what those boxes contained. The idea of rioting was on many minds.

I was in an EB last night and there were similar looking boxes that arrived and a security guard present. Knowing they were probably in the box I asked when they would be getting a shipment of 360's and the girl said February.

[TRiLoGY]

I was in an EB last night and there were similar looking boxes that arrived and a security guard present. Knowing they were probably in the box I asked when they would be getting a shipment of 360's and the girl said February.

When I asked in my local 'Game' shop I was told March...

[netcraazzy]

I was in an EB last night and there were similar looking boxes that arrived and a security guard present. Knowing they were probably in the box I asked when they would be getting a shipment of 360's and the girl said February.

Those probably were 360s but they are most likely all spoken for already by preorders. By saying February the girl probably meant that's when you'll actually be able to buy one off the shelf.

[TheSpotGuy]

MS is definetly shipping weekly. UPS has verified shipping and delivery of 360s.

[Phades]

MS is definetly shipping weekly. UPS has verified shipping and delivery of 360s.

Because UPS always tells you exactly what's in the packages they deliver :rolleyes:

[TheSpotGuy]

No because my brother manages a distribution center.

[rein]

Those probably were 360s but they are most likely all spoken for already by preorders. By saying February the girl probably meant that's when you'll actually be able to buy one off the shelf.

Guys, I work for EB and I can tell you we are not getting boxes of 360's. As matter of fact, we have zero in my entire state since the intial shipment. Who knows... ..maybe later this week.

[mister_slim]

Anyone who says this is worse than the PS2 launch is a complete and utter dumbass, and should have their posting priveledges revoked. Not only was demand higher and supply lower, but the games were worse, and didn't get any better for like nine months. This is nothing compared to the PS2 launch.
How was PS2 supply lower?

[phantomhitman]

well, any other rumors or dates floating around?