Here comes HDV

[Vandenh]

Forget Bluray and HD-DVD, HDV is slowly getting ready for prime time. Apparently Maxell is going to release the first HDV drives (for servers probably) late next year. The Register has more (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/24/maxell_holo_storage/).

InPhase isn't the only company promoting holographic storage. Japan's Optware - which in July won $14m in funding from four companies, one of which was Toshiba; it also has backing from Intel Capital - is working on a DVD-sized holographic disc is says will hold more than 1TB of data with a throughput of 1Gbps.
Now that is what I call Next Gen. Why are we even wasting time with Bluray and HD-DVD?

[earthworm48]

Is this a discy disc? I have heard of holographic hard drives that were apparently on their way, from the numerous tech sites I frequent but not this...

[Pnikosis]

So... Why the movie industry isn't supporting this format right now?
Oh... I forgot, Blu-Ray comes from Sony... Is this the reason? I hope not.

[Heretic Machine]

So... Why the movie industry isn't supporting this format right now?
Oh... I forgot, Blu-Ray comes from Sony... Is this the reason? I hope not.

Two reasons. The first would be that it's being pushed by a few big companies (one being Sony). Second is that they want to make a quick cash-in on early adopters. Don't expect either Blu-ray or HD-DVD to catch on enough to survive nearly as long as VHS or DVD. HDV has potential, as it will be much further down the road, and hit at about the right time to catch the format turn-over. Right now new formats are just too soon.

[One Sick, Sick Six]

Why are we wasting time indeed???

Maxell should have publicized this a lil more or something.

I'm forgetting already; HD-wha? Blu-who?

[MrMeatshake]

yeah, i read this too this morning. i also thought holographic storage was going to be in a 'thicker' format, because you can use the depth of the media for extra storage, rather than just the surface as with the current optical media.

1TB in 1cm^3 (cubed) i thought it was going to be :) that sounded pretty awesome!

[Blade]

The only things I can cite as logical reasons why HDV hasn't gotten more fanfare are,

A. Cost.

B. Reliability. With every new storage format, all I can wonder is "How easy will it be to render this unusable?"

[saran_js]

Some of you guys sure are hypocrites. You basically disparage and bad mouth both HD-DVD and Blu-ray for being expensive and not next generation, and basically being marketing tools to force you to purchase your collection of movies all over again.
How is it any different if this new technology HVD comes out ? Is it gonna be expensive ? Most definitely. Is it going to force you to purchase all your collection of movies all over again to take advantage of what HVD can provide ? You bet your bottom dollar.

Thing is, HD-DVD and Blu-ray are technologies that are based here and now. We have the technology and it's a proven one that will work. It's basically cutting edge technology based on the foundational aspects of CD/DVD etc that has been in the market for some time now, and customers are familiar with these technologies. It's a step or two forward, in terms of technology, market acceptance as well as pricing.
How much marketing and persuasion is it going to take for companies to push forward HVD ?

HVD has a long way to go before it can even reach consumer levels and prices that consumers will purchase at. Companies will basically be spending billions doing research and development around HVD trying to come out with gadgets that will take advantage of this. And you know companies today have a ton of other type of technology incorporated in to items such as ipods, mp3 players, etc. using current techs. such as FlashRAM, StaticRAM etc. made by companies (ie. AMD, Intel - this is debateable ;) trying to market and push down prices as well as trying to recoup their investments. And history has shown that new technology will take time to prove itself as well as take time to come down in pricing. (some of it, that is). If ever HVD was to launch tomorrow, do you think that you would be able to afford it ? Do you think all other companies such as JVC, Phillips, etc. etc. etc. will be able to come out with a player or a recorder that's cheap so soon ?

Heck, HDTV has only just started to take steps in entering the market. Do you think that HDTVs are cheap ? Have you thought about all the other equipment needed by broadcast stations that have to encode/decode signal streams in to HDTV format ? How much do you think that costs ? Hell, why use holographic technology to only gain terabytes of storage space on a small disk. Why not incorporate Holographic displays that allow you to interact in 3D as well as view your movies in 3D ? HVD would be great for that right ? What for ? you say ? Well I say why not ? That is next gen. isn't it ? Or are you guys too biased ?


You my friends, are thinking too shallow. You only see what is in front of you. You do not even grasp the full issues that need to be tackled before you can even go forward with new inventions, as well as people's acceptance of it.

Ie. You can create the fastest car in the whole world, with capability to go from 0-100km/h in x number of seconds, you can make the car the safest one with airbags all around that inflate to protect the passengers, but if you do not even have wide, straight and pothole less roads, what's the use ? or for that matter that car is going to cost you a bomb, who is going to buy it ? Less than 1% of the entire human population ? If that is the case, you just lost a whole lot of bundle on this technology. You're probably way down deep in debt, in fact bankrupt.

[Gigadafud]

regardless, i will not be one of the first people to get a 'nex-gen' dvd player. if you do not have a HDTV then what is the point. and i do not. until the price of the higher end plasma's come down, i do not see a point in blowing a ton of ca$h to boast my ego.

[LilEvilFish]

whoa steady on dan brown, we don't need a novel of a forum post. Nearly 20 questions too, I am impressed

The reason people haven't jumped on HDV is that it simply isn't finished. I think The Register have shots of the "disc", it's packed into something that looks akin to a large minidisc. Ultimately these are more useful for server based applications than anything we would use them for.. or i forgot.. all pr0n storage no doubt ;)

[bboy]

Now that is what I call Next Gen. Why are we even wasting time with Bluray and HD-DVD?

So they can milk us for every cent we have on the way up. They will of course stagger the capacities over several generations to get every cent out of our pocket. Ugh... :mad:

[Draft]

We don't care because, just like Bill Gates said, buying media on a little plastic frisbee is going the way of the dodo.

[HarverdGrad]

Some of you guys sure are hypocrites. You basically disparage and bad mouth both HD-DVD and Blu-ray for being expensive and not next generation, and basically being marketing tools to force you to purchase your collection of movies all over again.
How is it any different if this new technology HVD comes out ? Is it gonna be expensive ? Most definitely. Is it going to force you to purchase all your collection of movies all over again to take advantage of what HVD can provide ? You bet your bottom dollar.

Thing is, HD-DVD and Blu-ray are technologies that are based here and now. We have the technology and it's a proven one that will work. It's basically cutting edge technology based on the foundational aspects of CD/DVD etc that has been in the market for some time now, and customers are familiar with these technologies. It's a step or two forward, in terms of technology, market acceptance as well as pricing.
How much marketing and persuasion is it going to take for companies to push forward HVD ?

HVD has a long way to go before it can even reach consumer levels and prices that consumers will purchase at. Companies will basically be spending billions doing research and development around HVD trying to come out with gadgets that will take advantage of this. And you know companies today have a ton of other type of technology incorporated in to items such as ipods, mp3 players, etc. using current techs. such as FlashRAM, StaticRAM etc. made by companies (ie. AMD, Intel - this is debateable ;) trying to market and push down prices as well as trying to recoup their investments. And history has shown that new technology will take time to prove itself as well as take time to come down in pricing. (some of it, that is). If ever HVD was to launch tomorrow, do you think that you would be able to afford it ? Do you think all other companies such as JVC, Phillips, etc. etc. etc. will be able to come out with a player or a recorder that's cheap so soon ?

Heck, HDTV has only just started to take steps in entering the market. Do you think that HDTVs are cheap ? Have you thought about all the other equipment needed by broadcast stations that have to encode/decode signal streams in to HDTV format ? How much do you think that costs ? Hell, why use holographic technology to only gain terabytes of storage space on a small disk. Why not incorporate Holographic displays that allow you to interact in 3D as well as view your movies in 3D ? HVD would be great for that right ? What for ? you say ? Well I say why not ? That is next gen. isn't it ? Or are you guys too biased ?


You my friends, are thinking too shallow. You only see what is in front of you. You do not even grasp the full issues that need to be tackled before you can even go forward with new inventions, as well as people's acceptance of it.

Ie. You can create the fastest car in the whole world, with capability to go from 0-100km/h in x number of seconds, you can make the car the safest one with airbags all around that inflate to protect the passengers, but if you do not even have wide, straight and pothole less roads, what's the use ? or for that matter that car is going to cost you a bomb, who is going to buy it ? Less than 1% of the entire human population ? If that is the case, you just lost a whole lot of bundle on this technology. You're probably way down deep in debt, in fact bankrupt.


I read the comments before this one and they don't seem to validate this tirade. What are you going on about? :confused:

[saran_js]

whoa steady on dan brown, we don't need a novel of a forum post. Nearly 20 questions too, I am impressed

The reason people haven't jumped on HDV is that it simply isn't finished. I think The Register have shots of the "disc", it's packed into something that looks akin to a large minidisc. Ultimately these are more useful for server based applications than anything we would use them for.. or i forgot.. all pr0n storage no doubt ;)

Heh... just venting... that's all.

[saran_js]

I read the comments before this one and they don't seem to validate this tirade. What are you going on about? :confused:

Well, if you have been following the topics posted here previously about HD-DVD and Blu-ray at EvAv, you'll know what the tirade is all about.

[Gigadafud]

We don't care because, just like Bill Gates said, buying media on a little plastic frisbee is going the way of the dodo.


bill gates also said that 640k should be enough for everyone.

it will be a long time before the plastic frisbees go away.

[mister_slim]

I really doubt the drives or, especially, the media will be cheap enough to be feasible anytime soon.

[ElectricMonk]

there are a few reasons this probably won't catch on for video...

1. the fact that disc-based media has caught on so well with cdroms and dvds makes publishers not take any other risks for shapes of media. hell, the entire reasons cd's are the size they are is because their diameter is a cassette tape measured diagonally, and cassettes were popular. the entire reason dvd's are the size they are is because cds were popular. the marketing is half of the battle.

2. the fact that HD video can be displayed at a mere 10 mbit/sec (barely over current dvd bitrates) means additional storage capacities aren't really necessary. A 15 gb hddvd could store an entire season of a tv show in high def.

3. by the time hd video will be required to be stored at a higher bitrate no additional media based formats will be necessary.

but anyway that's just comparing with blu-ray and hd-dvd. I would love one of these things. I could back up an entire hard drive before i reformat with no additional work.