Xbox 360 Defective Launch Systems Common [Archive]

Jetherik

11-22-2005, 08:58 PM

Over at the official Xbox forums (http://forums.xbox.com/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=11) lots of people are writing in about their systems locking up every 10 to 15 minutes or a 3 red light error.

My 360 crashes 15-20 minutes into gameplay or a dvd.Complete system lock up. Have to turn off the system and power it back on, only to have it happen 15-20 minutes later....

on hold w/ customer service waiting to speak to someone for about 45minutes now.

::UPDATE::

According to the Jason/Jacob (forgot Customer Service Rep's name), i was one of the first ppl to report the issue. Spoke with Tier 2 support and only way for them to trouble shoot the problem would be for them to look at the system psyhically.

got the extended warranty from EB but no one has them in stock, and i'd have to wait till they finished pre-orders to get mine.

so to wrap this post up

Microsoft is sending a prepaid box for me to ship the unit out. They'll Fix or Replace the system for free. Dont have to pay a single cent, just be without the system for roughly a week or two =\
I personally suffered this problem with my premium system, and my gamestop told me of the 4 systems they sold 3 were defective (2 with the lock-up problem, 1 won't even boot it just turns on and sits). They haven't heard from the fourth person, but they were going to call and ask him just to see if his was ok.

Editor: This is from Major Scud.

UnderHero5

11-22-2005, 09:04 PM

Heh, I could be wrong, but that sounds like an overheating issue to me.

I know that the display Xbox at a local WalMart doesn't work anymore. Hasn't for over a week now. I was there when the guy turned it on just to have it flash red. He looked around puzzled.... messed with the tv.... look at the Xbox again. Unplugged all of it's cords... plugged it back in. Tried again. Red flashing lights. He finally just shut it off and left it.
I've been there 3 or 4 times since then and it hasn't been on again since. I can only assume it's borked.

It'll be pretty funny if this is common occurance, heh. Sucks for the people who bought it though, if that turns out to be true.

Dirty Harry

11-22-2005, 09:05 PM

haha, not up to snuff?

The Iron Weasel

11-22-2005, 09:06 PM

I'm not surprised in the slightest, most systems these days have a shakey launch. But that said, I'm glad I haven't picked one up yet.

Savok

11-22-2005, 09:06 PM

MS just had to fuck up the launch some how didn't they.

The Iron Weasel

11-22-2005, 09:07 PM

MS just had to fuck up the launch some how didn't they.

You know it!

Morrolan

11-22-2005, 09:07 PM

3 out of 4? OUCH.

The Iron Weasel

11-22-2005, 09:08 PM

Savok, I've always wondered were you offended by The Simpsons episode where they went to austrailia?

Banacek

11-22-2005, 09:15 PM

I'm not surprised in the slightest, most systems these days have a shakey launch. But that said, I'm glad I haven't picked one up yet.

exactly, which is why i don't understand the mad rush to get the first run. I've been burnt too may times in the past. I'll wait...

hideouslywrinkled

11-22-2005, 09:17 PM

Ouch...

3 out of 4 unconfirmed issues from a single Gamestop...

that's anecdotal damnation.

JediSanf

11-22-2005, 09:18 PM

MS just had to fuck up the launch some how didn't they.

You know, it's not just that they fucked up, it's that this is the second time.

Savok

11-22-2005, 09:18 PM

Whenever Simpsons go somewhere overseas, it's the same parody everytime, the ignorant American sitcom family (along with the writers) going someplace they have no idea about, the show is designed to be as offensive as possible without being too obvious or too adult about it.

Put simply, it was a great episode, any Australia who gets offended by it isn't really Australian, they were just born here. Insults to show affection are an art form here. English ep was even worse though, crashing into the Queen was just so completely wrong it was hilarious.

Speaking of Australia, vindication brothers, we won't be seeing any shitty defective 360s here, should be fixed by our launch. Then again it's just as likely MS will dump the defective European units on us.

kokyunage

11-22-2005, 09:19 PM

bobbler

11-22-2005, 09:26 PM

MS just had to fuck up the launch some how didn't they.

Savok, I'm sure you'll be pleased to see the lack of HD support (http://www.xbox.com/en-AU/games/catalog.aspx?st=&g=0&r=0&s=2&p=1&c=10) on Australian Xbox360 too!

More on topic:

I think this issue has more to do with people not properly allowing their consoles room to breathe -- X360 isn't going to fit in a cramped space like old consoles did (I don't think any of the consoles coming forth will be as forgiving heat wise, especially in the first revisions, as the previous generations). The rear fans are supposed to have a full 6+ inches of uninhibited airflow behind them, and I don't suppose it should be sitting on anything generating heat either (or having anything on top of it).

I just find it a bit hard to believe that this many consoles are actually faulty (I'm sure some are, because theres always going to be a few damaged ones that slip through the cracks).

I certainly wouldn't take a few forum goers rantings as any sort of measurement for how many are fucked boxes.

I'll admit though, it does make me chuckle and be glad I was a few people too late in the line I was in.

feeble

11-22-2005, 09:32 PM

Aussies will be seeing the 360 in march.

So much for the worldwide release.

Savok

11-22-2005, 09:32 PM

Someone is going to die for this.

And heat, in Australia? Hah, we're fucking screwed.

The Iron Weasel

11-22-2005, 09:33 PM

nonchalance

11-22-2005, 09:35 PM

Whenever Simpsons go somewhere overseas, it's the same parody everytime, the ignorant American sitcom family (along with the writers) going someplace they have no idea about, the show is designed to be as offensive as possible without being too obvious or too adult about it.

Damn straight.
200-odd episodes poking fun at America, and we should be upset by the one poking fun at us?
Pfft.

Speaking of Australia, vindication brothers, we won't be seeing any shitty defective 360s here, should be fixed by our launch. Then again it's just as likely MS will dump the defective European units on us.

There are advantages to being ignored, this is true.
But we're also paying $650 or $500 for the fucking thing, so defective shouldn't exist.

Th3 MonK3H!

11-22-2005, 09:45 PM

Played it a little,and it crashed, played little more, and hated it....selling it...waiting for ps3, revolution...atleast those wont be a ".5" upgrade.

The Iron Weasel

11-22-2005, 09:51 PM

Played it a little,and it crashed, played little more, and hated it....selling it...waiting for ps3, revolution...atleast those wont be a ".5" upgrade.

Yes, because a Sony product will be SOOO much more stable, and the ps3 will be just SOOO much more powerfull. :rolleyes:

thecrazyd

11-22-2005, 09:55 PM

Yes, because a Sony product will be SOOO much more stable, and the ps3 will be just SOOO much more powerfull. :rolleyes:
Hey now, it takes a year for a PS2 to stop working.

Captain Awesome

11-22-2005, 09:56 PM

Played it a little,and it crashed, played little more, and hated it....selling it...waiting for ps3, revolution...atleast those wont be a ".5" upgrade.

haha I love posts like these.

The Iron Weasel

11-22-2005, 09:56 PM

Hey now, it takes a year for a PS2 to stop working.

Fine, fine, I'll give you that. But wern't there some serious problems with it at launch?

MagicAlex

11-22-2005, 10:01 PM

Yes, because a Sony product will be SOOO much more stable, and the ps3 will be just SOOO much more powerfull. :rolleyes:

Don't forget expensive. Speaking of Sony, MS seems to following Sony's lead in many ways. First the lack of available systems and now a whole bunch of defective ones.

Groo

11-22-2005, 10:02 PM

haha I love posts like these.

Hell, it makes me feel a little better about not getting one. And with my luck lately with electronics, there's no question that I would have gotten a defective unit.

Savok

11-22-2005, 10:04 PM

Hey now, it takes a year for a PS2 to stop working.
13 months to be precise, just enough to get out of warrenty, like clockwork.

Nefs

11-22-2005, 10:07 PM

Maybe those little bastards from www.smashmyxbox.com were onto somthing...

ezzkmo

11-22-2005, 10:08 PM

everything about this launch and topic makes me chuckle. it's mean but funny. glad i didn't wait 12 hours in line or pay $800 for one on ebay.

motorhappy

11-22-2005, 10:08 PM

My friend got one last night and we fought with this issue for the first hour we played it. After that he put the 360 and the power brick on top of his entertainment cabinet hoping it was just a heat issue. Funny enough this seemed to do the trick. We played the rest of the night with no red lights or lockups.

Seems bad that it gets hot so easy, but at least giving the 360 and power brick room to breath appeared to fix the issue so we could play.

Nite_Moogle

11-22-2005, 10:10 PM

Maybe those little bastards from www.smashmyxbox.com were onto somthing...
Theirs probably would have worked. I wonder how many of these problems are heat-related? There are probably an awful lot of people cramming these in entertainment centers where the sytem has no room to breathe.

thecrazyd

11-22-2005, 10:17 PM

You think they would have quality tested that power brick for heat problems.

The Iron Weasel

11-22-2005, 10:17 PM

My Xbox makes wierd noises whenever its put into a place without much heating.

spacerat100

11-22-2005, 10:18 PM

same with children i hear

Pantsmonkey

11-22-2005, 10:21 PM

Guys anyone who works with tech sales will tell you a returns rate of less than %8 on complex techs (things that are not toasters kettles etc) is pretty freaking sweet.

The good thing about individual stores gettings "runs" of dodgy stock generally means that its a non specific issue all encompasing issue. probably just some issue with production or componant assembly on a batch of items.

http://cgi.ebay.com/XBOX-360-IN-HAND-AND-READY-TO-SHIP_W0QQitemZ8235328945QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

Could be worse some twat paid 3.5K AUD for that.

/me goes back to Mario Kart and waits till march 06 for Aussie Launch

*EDIT* and The Crazyd especially after the power cord problems on X1

http://www.educatedguesswork.org/movabletype/archives/2005/02/xbox_power_cord.html

diggable

11-22-2005, 10:22 PM

first 1 hour with my brand new PS2 after lining up at walmart for 9 hours, the tray wouldn't open ... ha!

well, I have to wait for my Xbox360 when it's available.

EternalGamer

11-22-2005, 10:26 PM

It is interesting that so many people are talking about how hot their 360's run, I have been checking my regularly while playing with it today and haven't noticed it getting anywhere near what I would consider "hot" (just a little warm). I think ventilation might be something to do with it. I have mine standing upright on an open glass shelf under my TV and no problems.

The thing about these so called "bad batches" is that if you go to ANY product's forum or message board you will find thousands of people complaining about all sorts of weird little problems. I am sure if you visited the website for say, your microwave you would suddenly be paranoid as hell about it. Don't worry about the flukes, they are normal and happen with every electronics product. 3 out of 4 systems at ONE store certainly isn't enough to get all edgy about.

Dan

pablious

11-22-2005, 10:27 PM

Well, I for one find all this amusing. First the supply issues, now heat and lockup issues, whats next? I don't buy systems very often, definently not at launch, and this just adds to the reasons why I never will.

31 Flavas

11-22-2005, 10:48 PM

Hey is anyone doing those ebay sales where they are selling the XBOX 360 BOX. The empty box and nothing else for like $1000?

SuperMonkeyFighter2

11-22-2005, 10:52 PM

Well, keeping it in open air is a good place to start. This is a very strong machine, but the case doesn't allow for "great" air circulation. I'm not suggesting placing it in a freezer, but unlike the N64's and even PS2's of yesteryear, it just doesn't seem you can cram this thing in a small area next to your old Xbox and Super Nintendo. I really think a big issue is that many people treat this as a toy instead of a high end appliance.

thecrazyd

11-22-2005, 10:59 PM

I really think a big issue is that many people treat this as a toy instead of a high end appliance.
I think the big problem is that MS did not plan properly for people treating it as a toy, which is how it should be treated, seeing that it is a toy.

zsears

11-22-2005, 11:03 PM

My xbox 360 works like clockwork "at the moment". That's all that matters.

Deathbane27

11-22-2005, 11:04 PM

Give new products time for the launch dust to settle.

Give new electronics room for the dust to leave the system and not clog up the vent fans. :D

Th3 MonK3H!

11-22-2005, 11:15 PM

Yes, because a Sony product will be SOOO much more stable, and the ps3 will be just SOOO much more powerfull. :rolleyes:

Well obviously, if they the extra time and make a true upgrade instead of a console expansion pack for $399. I'm really hoping on Nintendo's new console to be pure bad ass though.

bboy

11-22-2005, 11:29 PM

This is certainly a sad start for the XB360, but keep in mind the original XB had issues with Game discs getting scratched to hell (atleast here in Japan).

One note, MS better be sure that they don't have the same quality issues they are now having in the US here in Japan. If word gets out in the Japan market that there is a fair number of defects it will kill it's already half-assed chance of taking off here. :( Poor Bill and Michael Stipe (er....J Allard).

I, personally, am going to hold off on getting the XB until I see the competition. I am getting pretty interested in the revolution at the moment.

My current preference in order:

1. Revolution
2. XB360
3. PS3 (I don't think I will ever buy a SONY product again though...so we can count PS3 out).

captainspankypants

11-22-2005, 11:34 PM

I'm sure I'm just jaded, and I know this is pretty much off topic, but I still don't see why everyone has such high expectations for the 360 and PS3. They both look like the same damn thing I've had sitting in my entertainment center for years. Why is anyone at all surprised when the games play the same and the systems have the same kinds of problems? The only next-gen system that even remotely interests me right now is the Revolution. I'm not saying there's a 100% certainty that it will totally rock balls, but I think with Nintendo there's at least a CHANCE that it won't be the same repackaged crap I've been playing for years. I mean, $400 for an Xbox and Perfect Dark? Think about that sentence for a second. The whole world is mental.

Groo

11-22-2005, 11:49 PM

I'm sure I'm just jaded, and I know this is pretty much off topic, but I still don't see why everyone has such high expectations for the 360 and PS3. They both look like the same damn thing I've had sitting in my entertainment center for years. Why is anyone at all surprised when the games play the same and the systems have the same kinds of problems? The only next-gen system that even remotely interests me right now is the Revolution.

The current systems have some problems, but I don't think a TV remote hooked up to a console is going to solve any of those problems. The problem with the game industry isn't the controller.

Hellstorm

11-22-2005, 11:59 PM

Fine, fine, I'll give you that. But wern't there some serious problems with it at launch?

Launch Gamecube still works like mint. Nintendo >>>>>> everyone else in product quality and durability. Viva Revolution!

KamaItachi

11-23-2005, 12:14 AM

One note, MS better be sure that they don't have the same quality issues they are now having in the US here in Japan.

Wouldn't bet on it. The Jp release of the PS2 was plagued with disasters, including disc scratching, peripherals not working. Rest assured that the standards for Japan are just as shitty as the rest of the world.

Heretic Machine

11-23-2005, 12:22 AM

Played it a little,and it crashed, played little more, and hated it....selling it...waiting for ps3, revolution...atleast those wont be a ".5" upgrade.

Heya, Red Cloak.

Player 1

11-23-2005, 12:23 AM

Yes, because a Sony product will be SOOO much more stable, and the ps3 will be just SOOO much more powerfull. :rolleyes:

You have one? :eek:

Please, tell us more.

You think they would have quality tested that power brick for heat problems.

I'm sure they did. I mean, they must have had units running non-stop hours and hours during E3, TGS and in their internal QA. Additionally, according to Microsoft and Sony (Nintendo don't have them) TRCs* - which are usually suffocatingly tight at system launch and loosen up over it's lifespan - software will need to be tested in various states for around 8 hours at a time.

I find it odd that, if there's a significant percentage of units that have problems after a few hours of use that this is news to Microsoft. However, it does have echoes of the DS/PSP dead pixel problems at product launch.

Makes me glad to be a PAL gamer - I have far too many games to play on current gen (which is hardly past it's prime!) to need to jump on the next-gen bandwagon right away. In the meantime the US and Japan can be my guinea pigs. Cheers lads! ;)

*Technical Requirements Checklist - A very long list of testing checks and guidelines for software to meet. These will include soak-testing of software (leaving the software in a various state such as pause, lobby, front end for a minimum of 8 hours at a time) which means leaving the system on for a long time. TRCs help set a universal standard and behaviour for a platform's software. They also help to cover up any iffy spots in hardware usability. The original Sony TRCs for PS1 had a HUGE amount of rules for Memory Cards.

Twigz'N'Berries

11-23-2005, 12:31 AM

My xbox 360 works like clockwork "at the moment". That's all that matters.
Exactly. I have been playing for several hours straight and haven't experienced any lockup issue. Oh no, 75% of the xbox 360's sold are defective!!! You know, I hate that unsubstantiated bullshit that gets passed along as it is fact. If the 360's were massively defective, it would have gotten major press.
I guess my system and the score of people i have played online were the lucky ones.

(Then again, I have been so busy playing I may have missed any press releases to this kind.)

Player 1

11-23-2005, 12:35 AM

You know, I hate that unsubstantiated bullshit that gets passed along as it is fact.

But this is gamer culture. Shoot first, ask questions... never.

Citizen Philip

11-23-2005, 12:40 AM

You know, I hate that unsubstantiated bullshit that gets passed along as it is fact.

Ah fuck, we screwed up guys. This ISN'T a Sony thread. Apologies. :D

Debutante

11-23-2005, 12:49 AM

I as well have been playing my sexbox for several hours in a row and have had little to no complications. The little complications involved not eating and/or putting my urine in the correct place (I'll post the pictures later, at urine4it.com). If you managed to get one, I hope it's not overheating as 'Blunt Object Vs. Hobo Simulator 3000' (a.k.a Condemned) is a geniunley imersive game.

It seems that a lot of people are not fans of anything even remotely xbox related, which I can understand. But I've never understood the whole etched in stone console devotion. There's really no need to be venemous to those who prefer "the enemies" console, shockingly enough, people have opinions and forums don't sway them. Thus, negating whatever it is I'm going for here. I love you EvilAvatar, never change. kisses.

Morratut

11-23-2005, 01:23 AM

Well it has dual fans for reason. It needs air to gulp.

It will have a nice open glass cabinet with no walls or back so it should be happy when mine comes on the 2/12.

A console does make you think though automatically that you can treat it like a toy. Place it anywhere and it will work fine.

This thing is a little bit different in that it generates a lot of heat and needs cooling. No way to get around it i'm afraid.

Lutheran

11-23-2005, 01:43 AM

Someone has figured out how to avoid the heat issues , and he's getting some nice bids on it too...

http://cgi.ebay.com/XBOX-360-PREMIUM-Edition-BOX-ED_W0QQitemZ8236220929QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem

Vandenh

11-23-2005, 01:50 AM

The Iron Weasel

11-23-2005, 01:52 AM

Lutheran

11-23-2005, 01:56 AM

I just messaged the seller and told him to at the very least take a nice hot dump in the box before mailing it so the buyer will get some shit out of this deal and I messaged the buyer to tell him he is a moron.

TrackZero

11-23-2005, 02:41 AM

my god people are actually bidding on it.....

I wonder if he offers shipping insurance. ;)

Noiz

11-23-2005, 02:55 AM

Additionally, according to Microsoft and Sony (Nintendo don't have them) TRCs...

I don't know where you got your information from, but having tested Gamecube games for a living I can tell you with 100% certainty that Nintendo do have TRCs, and they're just as strict as the Sony and Microsoft ones.

As for the launch, there were bound to be defective units. The iPod Nano launch recently was plagued by screens that scratched seemingly at the slightest touch, and that took the threat of a lawsuit for Apple to even acknowledge. I also worked at EB when the PS2 was launched here and we got about 15 units returned that put really deep radial scratches in the game discs.

There's always going to be risks of defective units, especially at product launches, but what is comforting is that MS are handling it well. Sending the customer a pre-paid shipping carton for them to return the unit and fixing or replacing it without hassle. What'll be interesting to see is what the turn around time is between people reporting the fault and ultimately getting their unit back.

earthworm48

11-23-2005, 03:15 AM

Hah! The box went for $610+p&p!

Savok

11-23-2005, 03:30 AM

You have one? :eek:

Please, tell us more.
Lets see, PS1s were ratshit, I remember helping out at my local game store with them, usually turning them upsidedown helped a lot. Then PS2 came, 13 months and it dies, people have made entire side businesses out of Sony's shithouse quality control.

Safe to say the PS3 will likely have problems, as the 360 proves, what happens in the past is a good indicator of the future.

Player 1

11-23-2005, 03:33 AM

I don't know where you got your information from, but having tested Gamecube games for a living I can tell you with 100% certainty that Nintendo do have TRCs, and they're just as strict as the Sony and Microsoft ones.

They must have changed since I was producing GBA, GBC and Gamecube games for publishers then as I made many requests for TRC checklists from my publishers and from Nintendo themselves and the closest I got was to send my code to Mario Club and get comments from their testers. This was less than two years ago (which, I admit, can be a long time in games).

My dealings with MS and Sony, on the other hand, couldn't have been more different. Especially SCEA who are absolute bastards for getting your code approved by - even when SCEI and SCEE have already approved it. Microsoft's XBox TRC feedback is amazingly thorough and detailed with screenshots and videos. As a developer I was totally impressed with how seriously they took TRCs compared to my experience with Nintendo's apparent disinterest.

I'm not disputing your experiences but have found mine, as a producer, developer and publisher in Europe to be far different from those that you appear to have had.

Kelegacy

11-23-2005, 03:56 AM

I heard a 360 burned down an orphanage last night.

Morratut

11-23-2005, 04:48 AM

I heard a 360 burned down an orphanage last night.

Fucking great Kel. Your always there to add humour :D

I hope mine doesn't have problems when I get it in 9 days time.

I now won't enjoy hooking it up and turning it on. I'll be dreading it giving me the RLOD (Red Lights Of Death).

ziola

11-23-2005, 05:06 AM

i also got a bad 360!!

i got my premium system and it was DOA. blinking red light in the front no display whatsoever, i was so pissed. the guy at gamespot was pretty cool gave me a core system yesterday and i can return it when they get the next batch of premiums in.

bboy

11-23-2005, 05:21 AM

Wouldn't bet on it. The Jp release of the PS2 was plagued with disasters, including disc scratching, peripherals not working. Rest assured that the standards for Japan are just as shitty as the rest of the world.

The Japanese population are easily defeated by SONY's reality distortion field. :) Luckily I'm only 1/2 Jappy so I don't succumb so easily.

baz

11-23-2005, 05:37 AM

A product that has sold 1M units at the same time will have failure of course. Even with .01% fialure rate, that means 10000 broken systems. The problem with a super launch like this, is that all 10000 people will complain at the same time. Also we have the Bath Curve of failure... initial failure rate of new products is usually a bit higher.

You might want to redo your math... .01% would be 100 units from 1M. 10000 is 1% straight up. Not saying that your argument is wrong per say.. just that it isn't as strong an argument with the correct calculations.

I still haven't had it confirmed if my box is going to arrive on 2/12. Game in britain haven't been given their unit allocations yet it seems. :(

laggerific

11-23-2005, 05:48 AM

The australia Simpsons ep is one of my favorites...but if I believed what they presented as scripture, I'd prolly not really like the show. I remember when they did this one brief scene a few years ago where they were following the LAN line from destination to source and along the way they stopped in a lone room with a lone person and a box attached to the lines with flies surrounding it. I thought it was silly and stupid, but my roommate reminded me that they were most likely playing a joke on what people think is behind the internet. But suffice it to say, they are just making fun of people's preconceived notions. And even as non-australian as that little kids accent was, it's still one of the cutest voices out there...willakers(sp).

bskeillor

11-23-2005, 05:49 AM

I got my Premium system and everything seems to work perfectly. The only problem is that I haven't really put the DVD drive to the test because I've been playing FREAKING GUANTLET!!! I just wish my brother got a system because Gauntlet Live is pretty cool. Any fellow Michiganders out there that downloaded this?

laggerific

11-23-2005, 05:53 AM

Too bad The Simpsons went way downhill after Futurama (all the talent from the simpsons went to Futurama when it came out).

I felt that around 15th season it started to get its groove back...it may still not be able to compete with season 6,7, or 8, but there are still some excellent episodes...the final 2 of season 15 are some of my favorites. The Burns owns all media ep, and the Barts confederateds vs. Milhouse' yankees ep...so excellent.

laggerific

11-23-2005, 06:06 AM

Do you have to be a gold member to play gauntlet online?

bskeillor

11-23-2005, 06:11 AM

I don't think you have to be to buy it, but you have to be to play it online. When I set my box up the first time it automatically gave me a free 1 month Gold membership. I already bought the other kit with Billiards, the Microsoft Points, and 12 month live card.

lazydestroyer

11-23-2005, 06:20 AM

Ridge Racer 6:

On XBOX Live:

Graphics are choppy, feels like 5-10 frames per second. Voice chat to other players works fine. Music and sound effects work fine.

Offline:

Everything goes great. Graphics are smooth as silk.

No error codes, I can join and create games fine. I can get online from dashboard, download trailers, stream hi def videos from my pc just fine. I don't have any other 360 Live games, but Halo 2 in back compatability mode on 360 Live works great, no lag. I have a Microsoft MN-500 router which has always worked fine on XBOX Live and on my PC. Tried turning off pc, resetting router and cable modem. Having only the 360 online, putting the 360 in my router's DMZ, tried 480p, 720p, 1080i, all have the same symptom while on Live. On speedtests I get 3500k+ Down, and 350k+ Up consistently.

Just tested PDO Live on my machine, works fine. Halo2 Live works fine too.

Ran out and bought an MU, transfered my Ridge Racer, and Gamertag/Card/Live data to it, removed my HD, and I'm still getting the same choppyness while playing Ridge Racer 6 on live.

This Post on XBOX.com's Technical Issues forum (http://forums.xbox.com/540572/ShowPost.aspx)

Noiz

11-23-2005, 06:59 AM

They must have changed since I was producing GBA, GBC and Gamecube games for publishers then as I made many requests for TRC checklists from my publishers and from Nintendo themselves and the closest I got was to send my code to Mario Club and get comments from their testers. This was less than two years ago (which, I admit, can be a long time in games).

My dealings with MS and Sony, on the other hand, couldn't have been more different. Especially SCEA who are absolute bastards for getting your code approved by - even when SCEI and SCEE have already approved it. Microsoft's XBox TRC feedback is amazingly thorough and detailed with screenshots and videos. As a developer I was totally impressed with how seriously they took TRCs compared to my experience with Nintendo's apparent disinterest.

I'm not disputing your experiences but have found mine, as a producer, developer and publisher in Europe to be far different from those that you appear to have had.

Interesting. Are you talking about initial approval or final submissions? I know Nintendo are pretty lax about getting a game through the concept approval stage, I guess to increase their 3rd party developer base, whereas SCEA want you to practically redesign the game from the ground up to meet their whims! But they definitely have TRCs for the final submission material.

Not much experience with Microsoft though, unfortunately.

agentgray

11-23-2005, 07:09 AM

http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEFkZkkkyEHasmrPqu.php

Couldn't find much on the forums (Did MS clear them out?), but other sites are starting to report it.

bskeillor

11-23-2005, 07:10 AM

Has anybody determined yet what is taking up 8GB on that 20GB hard drive? If it's the data for backwards compatibility, I don't need it.

Spoon

11-23-2005, 07:38 AM

hah! I KNEW the thing would be an overheating crapbox. death to microsoft!

Kamalot

11-23-2005, 08:05 AM

At least the Xbox 360 didn't come with dead pixels. ;-)

TheEpicOfTyler

11-23-2005, 08:20 AM

http://forums.xbox.com/542622/ShowPost.aspx

That thread has some scary things in it. Rings burned into the games? Ouch.

Wonka

11-23-2005, 08:23 AM

When I got mine home I set it up and thought that it was broken, the lights flashed red and everything. I was quite concerned for about 5 minutes. Then I noticed that the AV cable has to be inerted MUCH more deeply than it felt like at 1st. Once I corrected this, everything became peachy. This might actually be causing some trouble. The AV cable actually looks and feels seated even when it's not even halfway inserted into the box. You will think that you have it, and you won't. Just a heads up in case any of you guys out there are getting one soon. Be sure that the AV cable is inserted ALL the way in.

Kelegacy

11-23-2005, 08:29 AM

http://forums.xbox.com/542622/ShowPost.aspx

That thread has some scary things in it. Rings burned into the games? Ouch.
Holy shit. The reports are coming in quite rapidly now. This is crazy.

Tia

11-23-2005, 08:38 AM

Let's do some hypotheical math.

The mentioned form post has about 24 overall replies. Out of those about 10 are unique users complaining about the problem. Now lets assume that about 1% of the X360 lucky buyers read and post in the forums. That makes it raughly 1000 people overall that will have those problems.

Over a million unit sold. quick math will say that there is less than 0.1% of the systems that might be faulty (still don't know if it is a user error or system error). Now for the hack of it lets make it 0.5%. Still very low, and pretty acceptable, amount of systems that might have a problem.

Of course internet forums tend to overhype things.

Oh well.

Phanto

11-23-2005, 08:38 AM

LOL, thats exactly why i don't paid a price tag of $400 or 300 for a console.
I prefer wait several months so.. the "real price" comes into action or atleast a decent price.

Tia

11-23-2005, 08:43 AM

Holy shit. The reports are coming in quite rapidly now. This is crazy.

24 posts in over 12 hours. oh yes, that is very rapid, practically almost as fast as a turtle crossing the road with a broken foot.

bone_matrix

11-23-2005, 08:53 AM

Yes, some consoles are defective. The DS and PSP had dead pixels. PS2s broke at first too. This is normal. It is just you can see it more now the the internet is everywhere.

We should be asking the real question now. WHY ARE THERE NO HARD DRIVES TO BUY?!? I had a core system forced upon me. (I could have passed it up and waited, but lets be honest, no one knows when new shipments are coming in.) There is no store around me with hard drives. Where did they all go? Did MS only make enough for Premium systems? I mean, wtf?

jacktion

11-23-2005, 08:55 AM

My ds works pretty good.

Is that helpful?

:)

LilEvilFish

11-23-2005, 09:05 AM

my original PS2 still works from release.. along with the original joypad from the box. I just didn't shag it like the fanboys ;) carry on..

Bet you're all wishing you'd preordered a phantom now! *sniggers and points*

omnithrope

11-23-2005, 09:06 AM

My Xbox makes wierd noises whenever its put into a place without much heating.

Without much heating?
Huh? You heat your Xbox?

omnithrope

11-23-2005, 09:07 AM

Worldcrafter

11-23-2005, 09:08 AM

All the reports, and there aren't very many, also indicate Microsoft has been nothing but helpful in replacing these defective units. These cases may seem like a big problem, but that's because the people that aren't having any problems are too busy playing their 360s to post. These threads always make things seem worse than they are. No body is getting screwed out of their money, and at the most, they'll have to wait a bit for their new system. When it's all said and done, everyone will end up with a working 360.

Roc Ingersol

11-23-2005, 09:12 AM

The plural of anecdote is not data.

bone_matrix

11-23-2005, 09:13 AM

Nobody forced anything on you.
You chose to buy the system you did.

"Forced." Nice.

Right, no one had a gun to my head, but there wasn't a possibility of buying a Premium system. Therefore, if I did want a 360, and didn't want to wait possibly months, it was the core system or nothing. The core system was forced upon me as my only buying option. As one of many people who waited in line, I like the newest stuff and like to get it when it comes out. That, and I wanted to play PD0.

I'm not complaining that I got a 360, I'm complaining that I can't puchase a hard drive to make it complete.

Jetherik

11-23-2005, 09:35 AM

Glad I upgraded my computer... Then again, I am seeing a few people say they are having problems, but not 75% of the people who got them. I wonder what the actual numbers are.

Kelegacy

11-23-2005, 09:38 AM

24 posts in over 12 hours. oh yes, that is very rapid, practically almost as fast as a turtle crossing the road with a broken foot.
I hope yours breaks.

goc_sin

11-23-2005, 09:39 AM

Man, I feel bad for those who had the problems especially if they had to wait in line. Some people are talking about how hot it gets, and I wonder if there is going to be more problems during the warmer summer months. It's something to keep an eye on.

Tia

11-23-2005, 09:46 AM

I hope yours breaks.

wow, how mature. what next? do you want to hope I die? my grandparents maybe? maybe you want to hope I get raped?

So, someone called you on being a drama queen. How terrible.

GrinR

11-23-2005, 09:48 AM

I never thought I would say this, but now I'm really happy Oblivion was delayed.

There's nothing on the Xbox360 that I want to play, so I'm happy waiting, but it's truly depressing to have watched what had to be the worst launch day I can remember.

PS2 launch - I remember the funny TV ads and the countdown til launch and the lines to get it.
Xbox launch - I got interviewed by the local news at my EBX and was ON TV for the launch. Ads everywhere, everyone talking about could MS make a console.
Dreamcast launch - Soul Caliber. Nuff said.
PSP launch - Crazy lines, BAD PIXEL problems, lumines=crack
DS launch - Like a stealth missile (as far as I'm concerned), but Nintendo doesn't need to advertise much since Nintendoids just buy buy buy. PIKACHOO!

and then Xbox360 launch - Looks great, too bad it's not for sale. WAH-waaaahhh.

Kelegacy

11-23-2005, 10:02 AM

wow, how mature. what next? do you want to hope I die? my grandparents maybe? maybe you want to hope I get raped?

So, someone called you on being a drama queen. How terrible.
Calm down, killer. I don't wish any ill will on your grandparents.

This is Evil Avatar. My little comment was made in jest, and even if it was asinine, it's still far under the maturity par for this website.

Major Scud

11-23-2005, 10:19 AM

my brothers core system works perfectly, I got it at walmart for him. he's not coming down for it for another month so until then I can still play. Kameo and Perfect Dark are sweet, I havent got very far in condemned becuase I refuse to play when the sun is out or lights are on.

Microsofts tech support admitted this is a widespread problem. dont believe me? call 1-800-4my-xbox and wait the hour to talk to someone.

Dirty Harry

11-23-2005, 10:20 AM

wow this is all too beautiful to me, i hope sony learns from this and releases a good launch. Ive never had my sony fuck up on me when i first got it, ive gotten the Dre's but that was after two and a half years of use.

Is this not the second time Microsoft fucked up the launch, i remeber when they released their first system a few people were experiencing complete system lockups. They also had to replace the powersupplies for fear of burning houses down.

IndependentGMR

11-23-2005, 10:28 AM

I picked up the premium system from Gamerush at midnight. The longest I've had it running is probably about 4 hours straight, and I haven't had a single problem with it. The thing works like a charm. Plus, Perfect Dark Zero is amazing.

Syrinx

11-23-2005, 11:04 AM

Is this not the second time Microsoft fucked up the launch, i remeber when they released their first system a few people were experiencing complete system lockups. They also had to replace the powersupplies for fear of burning houses down.

So did Sony.

atomic_burrito

11-23-2005, 11:16 AM

Some screenshots (hope not a repost)...

http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEFkZkkkyEHasmrPqu.php

goc_sin

11-23-2005, 11:25 AM

Here's a video of idots playing playing a prank on people waiting in line for the Xbox360.

http://www.break.com/articles/xbox360prank.html

regular mo

11-23-2005, 12:06 PM

Someone is going to die for this.

And heat, in Australia? Hah, we're fucking screwed.

No kidding...I live in SA and I have mine ordered from Canada (still waiting on it to ship). After reading all of these reports to do with overheating, I'm a little concerned to say the least. Our average temperature here during the Summer months isn't exactly conductive towards electrical appliances.

Nerv

11-23-2005, 12:07 PM

Launch Gamecube still works like mint. Nintendo >>>>>> everyone else in product quality and durability. Viva Revolution!
Not all of them, mine needs repairing, and there is a trend of the disc reading apparatus breaking down.
Still, it did last 3 years, with 2 years of nonstop Mario Kart Double Dash binges.

Major Scud

11-23-2005, 12:41 PM

I play my gamecube all the time, and my launch system is working great (I have gone through a few controllers due to c-stick problems). I have gone through a total of 3 playstation 2 systems (disc read error on all of em). I almost had to buy a replacement to my launch xbox, but I was able to just replace the dvd drive and it was working great again til I sold it for my 360 money.

edit: god I loved ebgames replacement plan back in the day before they changed it, $50 got my ps2 system replaced twice, rock on!

Zeal

11-23-2005, 01:17 PM

This sounds like a defective overall design to me. It can't properly cool itself.

AaronGF

11-23-2005, 03:16 PM

Quite frankly, it's most likely just reporting error. Not really an indication of error, but more in indication that people are more likely to post errors all at once during a launch, and on hardcore gaming sites.

http://www.gamesfirst.com/?id=1011

nonchalance

11-23-2005, 03:20 PM

No kidding...I live in SA and I have mine ordered from Canada (still waiting on it to ship). After reading all of these reports to do with overheating, I'm a little concerned to say the least. Our average temperature here during the Summer months isn't exactly conductive towards electrical appliances.

hahaha!
Advantages of living in Melbourne!

krackmonkey

11-23-2005, 04:29 PM

In regards to Nintendo products being some sort of bulletproof gift from the game gods, I would have to disagree. I worked for Nintendo Christmas 2002 and 2003 (for several months each time) as a customer support rep, and the rate of Gamecube repairs we were performing was staggering. There were tons of out of box failures and systems giving disc read errors, to the point where the warranty date was flat out disregarded. Nintendo was great for repairing the systems and offering a lot of flexability for getting the repair accomplished (including free shipping both ways), but that came as a result of having to do it so often. I can't even give an accurate estimate of how many customers I took care of that had been on their 2nd or 3rd repair or replacement. The party line was that less than 1% of all systems had any issues, but as reps compared their stories for the day, it was pretty obvious that those estimates were bogus.

Still, all in all, I'd rather have a Nintendo system go bad on me than just about anything else, at least their reps are empowered to do good by the customer at any cost. My experiences with MS and Sony customer support have been far from gentle.

None of this diminishes my lust for a 360, but I am glad that I didn't get one at launch, as I know how my bad luck goes (and I baby my systems).

Dirty Harry

11-23-2005, 08:15 PM

So did Sony.
okay, ill play game, what did they fuck up exactly in the launch?.

Noiz

11-24-2005, 02:09 AM

Dirty Harry

11-24-2005, 09:21 AM

I worked at EB when the PS2 was launched and out of the 40ish we got in, we got about 15 back because they were putting massive radial scratches on all the discs. Some people had put video DVDs in and had those scratched up too. This happened across the country.

Ruining people's games and DVDs is easily on a par with, if not worse than a system overheating.

Oh, and Syrinx's comment was referring to the recent issue of slimline PS2 power supplies needing to be recalled due to overheating (and possible fire) issues.
Ahh i dont own a slimline......yet. Hmmm i have a first gen ps2 and its never scratched my disc to unplayability. I've also never read about these things, so maybe i could find some sources that quote actual sources for the defects. Its easy to make things up for example i could say, every xbox360 will burn down the buyers homes.

xbox360classact

11-30-2005, 01:48 PM

Serapth

11-30-2005, 01:53 PM

Murmillo

11-30-2005, 01:54 PM

Anyone who's as pissed as I am, has anyone considered a class action lawsuit. I know this will piss some people off, but think about it. If you're like me, you saved up money for awhile, stood in line for who know's how many hours, only to get home and have your system go to shit. Now we need to wait 2+ weeks to get it fixed. And who knows if this will even work? If your interested in getting something together email me at xbox360classact@yahoo.com. In the subject leave your name and xbox 360. Also if anyone wants to help set up a web page, let me know.
You are retarded. You are the reason stuff costs so much in the first place. Every thing by design, will fail. Some will fail with in 2 minutes, other will fail in 5 years, some not for 20 or even longer, but since you feel that you are intitled to a perfect world, if something even remotly goes wrong you have this need to magicly hop onto this "sue you to death band party."

GO TO HELL!!

Look at all the great responce MS is giving you if your console SHOULD fail. Free over night shipping both ways with 2 days - 2 weeks to get it repaired, a new one if they can't repair it by 2 weeks.

again...
GO TO HELL AND DIE!!

SuperMonkeyFighter2

11-30-2005, 02:28 PM

You are retarded. You are the reason stuff costs so much in the first place. Every thing by design, will fail. Some will fail with in 2 minutes, other will fail in 5 years, some not for 20 or even longer, but since you feel that you are intitled to a perfect world, if something even remotly goes wrong you have this need to magicly hop onto this "sue you to death band party."

GO TO HELL!!

Look at all the great responce MS is giving you if your console SHOULD fail. Free over night shipping both ways with 2 days - 2 weeks to get it repaired, a new one if they can't repair it by 2 weeks.

again...
GO TO HELL AND DIE!!

Wow, that's an extreme reply, don't you think? As a consumer he does have a right to be upset. I do agree that a class action is a bit premature right now ... but "go to hell and die!!"? Wow ... that's all I can say

Murmillo

11-30-2005, 02:53 PM

Sorry, *lol* bad day at work + beer = choice bad words.

Yes a dead console sucks, but thats life, sometimes in $40,000 cars, there are show stopping bugs that causes your car to sit in the shop for a few days. A $40,000 object, and nobody screams about a lawsuit about that, but when a $400 console goes dead and the company is offering free shipping and a few days wait for repair, 2 weeks at worst and the first thing that comes it to thier mind is "lawsuit", fuck them.

Kelegacy

11-30-2005, 06:24 PM

My cousin's videogame store still has a 360 for sale. We just talked about the reports of problems, and even they've had people call and complain. If enough people have problems, you can justify a class action suit. But I dont know if right now is the time. It's nearly impossible to get real numbers currently, if ever. I guess you could form a group and seek out other hurt souls and band together.

But MS is doing their best to remedy the problem. I'm not a lawyer (I just play one on TV), so I don't know how class actions work, but usually they are directed at companies that refuse to extend a hand, correct? The thing I fear is what will happen down the road. What will be the mortality rate of the console, after a year? I hate spending even more money on extended warranties, but I guess here it's extremely justified.

xbox360classact

12-01-2005, 12:26 PM

You are retarded. You are the reason stuff costs so much in the first place. Every thing by design, will fail. Some will fail with in 2 minutes, other will fail in 5 years, some not for 20 or even longer, but since you feel that you are intitled to a perfect world, if something even remotly goes wrong you have this need to magicly hop onto this "sue you to death band party."

GO TO HELL!!

Look at all the great responce MS is giving you if your console SHOULD fail. Free over night shipping both ways with 2 days - 2 weeks to get it repaired, a new one if they can't repair it by 2 weeks.

again...
GO TO HELL AND DIE!!
You're Funny. However, I can't believe you are not a little mad. If you waited in line for 15 hours, spent 400+ dollars, only to have your system crap out, that is. Ever heard about quality control? Couldn't they have waited a month longer to release a better product? I don't want any money, just to teach them a lesson.

Oh and by the way

FUCK YOU!!!