Perfect Dark Zero Impressions

[RandomViolence]

IGN (http://www.ign.com/) and 1up (http://www.1up.com/) have both started giving their impressions of Perfect Dark Zero, Rare's first-person shooter launch title for the Xbox 360. Perfect Dark Zero is the sequel to Rare's smash hit Perfect Dark for the Nintendo 64.

IGN's impression (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/668/668164p1.html)
1up's impression (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3145794&did=1)

While beaten on hard for its lackluster E3 showing it has gradually looked less and less shite-like as the 360 nears its launch. I for one really hope it's incredible, as I would love the appearance of a new killer-app FPS, but we'll have to wait and see until the reviews come in.

[Royal Fool]

Predicting a GameSpot score of 7.9, and an IGN score of 9.9.

After reading the 1UP impressions, I (once again) mixed thoughts about this game. Never was a big fan of Goldeneye and never bothered to try Perfect Dark, so I have noooo clue what I'm supposedly missing. But why do I get the feeling that Microsoft aren't being very enthusiastic about PDZ... at least in terms of marketing. Still 3 days until the launch, so I guess we'll have to see.

[fitbabits]

Predicting a GameSpot score of 7.9, and an IGN score of 9.9.
Now that's funny.

I'll go with 8.9 for IGN and 8.2 for GameSpot.

[RandomViolence]

Now that's funny.

I'll go with 8.9 for IGN and 8.2 for GameSpot.

I think those numbers'll probably be spot on.

[Evil Dude]

new footage from xboxyde (http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_2009_en.html)
Look like a pretty solid FPS to me...except the annoying spy droid sound effect.

[Hellstorm]

Half a billion dollars wasted. LOL Those wiley Japanese.

[H.Bogard]

I predict a gamespot score of 9.3 , just so they'd get to prove that You shouldnt bother with FEAR instead......what.....with them being console whores and all.

[Heretic Machine]

If the rumor is true about the Every10 winners getting a free copy of Kameo, I'm going to go exchange the copy I bought for PDZ. Also going to try to get them to take NFS in exchange for a second controller.

[divinechaos]

[QUOTE=Royal Fool]Predicting a GameSpot score of 7.9, and an IGN score of 9.9.

After reading the 1UP impressions, I (once again) mixed thoughts about this game. Never was a big fan of Goldeneye and never bothered to try Perfect Dark, so I have noooo clue what I'm supposedly missing. [QUOTE]

So u have no idea what u r missing, indeed. I highly suggest u try Perfect dark, it was WAY ahead of its time. Even if PD for 360 gets a 7 or somethin like that, i'll still be getting this, only cause i loved the first sooo much.

Shouldnt this game have reviews already anyway? it came out the 17th, so are the major sites just fuckin with out minds by writing "impressions"?

[Captain Awesome]

This is sounding alot better than I thought. PD on the N64 was great too.

[Harlan Hoyt]

My father won one of the Every Ten Minutes 360s. When I make my way home for the holidays, I'm going to trade him my Xbox for the fancy new 360. I would have gotten one eventually, but probably not before the first price drop -- so it's pretty sweet that there's $400 I don't have to spend (or, at least can now spend on whiskey).

Kameo, huh? I haven't heard anything about what comes with it. I am looking forward to checking out Perfect Dark Zero, though -- I loved Goldeneye back in the day, and if it's half as much fun as that, I'll be sittin' pretty. Kameo I know almost nothing about. You turn into animals or something? I dunno. I'm not really interested enough to bother going and reading some previews. I do, however, know for a fact that I couldn't care less about getting Madden and Need for Speed. I'm just excited about Oblivion, bascially.

[KamaItachi]

Seems Gamespot has a preview up (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/perfectdarkzero/news.html?sid=6140131&mode=previews). Aside from a few niggles in the frame rate, it seems to be a quality title. From this I think I'd predict a 8.7 mark or a little higher.

[Zeal]

Basically, the early word is that the entire launch is butt. Looks like this'll be the only system I don't buy at launch.

[RandomViolence]

Basically, the early word is that the entire launch is butt. Looks like this'll be the only system I don't buy at launch.

Shut your fucking face uncle-fucker! :D

j/k

If you don't like the line-up, that's cool, it's just the best launch I've seen.

[The Iron Weasel]

Shut your fucking face uncle-fucker!

I LOVE THAT MOVIE! IT CHANGED MY LIFE!

[Lint of Death]

It warped my fragile little mind!

[KamaItachi]

I've seen it. Who wants to touch me?


I SAID WHO WANTS TO TOUCH ME!?

[Chi-Town]

"But why do I get the feeling that Microsoft aren't being very enthusiastic about PDZ... at least in terms of marketing."

Saw a pretty slick PDZ tv ad tonight.

"Shouldnt this game have reviews already anyway? it came out the 17th, so are the major sites just fuckin with out minds by writing "impressions"?"

Didn't make it out on the 17th, started hitting stores today. I think most sites want to check out the single-player, co-op and multi-player before they start giving scores.

[TrackZero]

Hrm. Well from the impressions I'm reading and the videos I just watched on Gamespot, it looks to be what I want out of the game. I was a huge Goldeneye/Perfect Dark fan on the N64, I don't mind the not-jumping thing, it sounds like the bot AI is even better than it was on the 64 (and that AI was a BITCH). So I'm looking forward to picking this up down the road.

[rjcc]

where did the myth of the killer-app fps get started?

am I the only one who remembers people being pretty pissed that halo only really had a couple different single-player levels for the whole game when it launched, and the only reason people played it was because the rest of the launch lineup was ass?

yet now, if a title isn't completely 1000% better than every other title available at release, "ohhh, you have no killer-app". which system ever launched with a "killer-app". That term is for retarded kids and should be put to bed immediately, it won't, because news sites need to perk up fanboys, but it should.

[RandomViolence]

where did the myth of the killer-app fps get started?

am I the only one who remembers people being pretty pissed that halo only really had a couple different single-player levels for the whole game when it launched, and the only reason people played it was because the rest of the launch lineup was ass?

yet now, if a title isn't completely 1000% better than every other title available at release, "ohhh, you have no killer-app". which system ever launched with a "killer-app". That term is for retarded kids and should be put to bed immediately, it won't, because news sites need to perk up fanboys, but it should.

:confused:

I think that killer-apps are system selling exclusives. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say with that last paragraph except you don't like the term 'killer-app'. That's something you have to seek counseling for on your own.

[Morratut]

What also surfaces during these multiplayer sessions is the desire to jump over small obstacles (y'know, so you can get down to a platform faster). Since you can't jump, you find yourself taking the long way around to get to places. It all feels a little restrictive for my liking.

Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

This is what i was scared of all along. Because its not a serious FPS game like SWAT or Ghost Recon you expect that you can jump.

It's in a sci fi setting. You expect to be able to jump from platforms.

By the way I am a major GoldenEye/Perfect Dark fan. I love them games to bits and I still am looking forward to this too.

[rjcc]

so did you not answer my qquestion of where did it get started because you can't answer it (yes), or because you were incapable of understanding it? (undetermined).

You people act like you would have sat down and said "ehh, sonic is ok, but it's not that much better than altered beast, it's no killer-app". No, because no one would have been silly enough to evaluate it that way, and no one evaluated the original Xbox launch lineup that way.

For all the talk of how Halo was a killer app the fact remains Microsoft didn't overtake Sony, why, becuase having one good game doesn't matter nearly as much as having a bunch of good games and releasing more good games over time.

But hey, don't let reality stop your foolishness.

[Wonka]

where did the myth of the killer-app fps get started?

am I the only one who remembers people being pretty pissed that halo only really had a couple different single-player levels for the whole game when it launched, and the only reason people played it was because the rest of the launch lineup was ass?

yet now, if a title isn't completely 1000% better than every other title available at release, "ohhh, you have no killer-app". which system ever launched with a "killer-app". That term is for retarded kids and should be put to bed immediately, it won't, because news sites need to perk up fanboys, but it should.

Nope I remember this too.

I also remember Halo being comepletely PANNED at E3, I remember that everyone there absolutley HATED it.

I also remember after it shipped, that it was a surprise to most editors that the game was any good at all.

And lastly I remember showing the game to a bunch of skeptical/jaded gamers (they were actually game developers so they are the MOST jaded/picky of all). And you know what? They hated it. (as an odd side note, I remember that this group was much more impressed with DOA3 at the time.) Anyhow these guys played it for about 20 minutes while they completely ripped on it for its poor animations etc... And it wasn't till the game had sold like gangbusters, and gotten a lot of good reviews that these guys finally acknowledged that the game might be worth playing for more than 20 minutes to see more about the gameplay. Then after a couple months, a strange thing happened when one or two of these guys actually played the game and then suddenly all of these guys were fans who loved the game. Now these were smart guys, but even they rushed to judgement about something without forming a informed opinion of their own... We all do this from time to time. But it's always a dumb thing to do.

Anyhow the lesson I took home was this:
Sometimes we see what we expect to see rather than whats actually there.

Anyhow, I don't know if PDZ will be any good or not. But I know that the final verdict will not be reached till several people have actually played the final game all the way through. The early press for a game is really tough to go on and 1st impressions are often misleading.



Oh and I still think that Zeal is a corporate "influencer". How much are they paying you man? Cause it seems like you work pretty hard for your paycheck...

[Twigz'N'Berries]

where did the myth of the killer-app fps get started?

am I the only one who remembers people being pretty pissed that halo only really had a couple different single-player levels for the whole game when it launched, and the only reason people played it was because the rest of the launch lineup was ass?

yet now, if a title isn't completely 1000% better than every other title available at release, "ohhh, you have no killer-app". which system ever launched with a "killer-app". That term is for retarded kids and should be put to bed immediately, it won't, because news sites need to perk up fanboys, but it should.
I too hate the phrase "killer-app". It is trite. If I never here another wanna-be tech junkie spout that phrase it will be too soon ( i just said it, but that was to prove a point :D).

Now, I don't remember any launch being stronger than the 360 lineup. The 360 launches with more games than any other console, more genres are represented and when you throw in the Arcade games over Live, it is even bigger. You get 213 games BC...but, those BC games have been upgraded to 720p w/AA. This is the first system to enhance the previous generations games...or am I forgetting any console that did this.

Even if you don't like MS and you are waiting for a PS3, you have to give MS credit for all the things they did right. Given, they did a lot of things wrong too!

[Twigz'N'Berries]

Oh yeah, on topic; PD0 multiplayer looked fun. I'm a little concerned over the lack of the jump button, but I'm sure we will get over it. The single player game really is what is going to make me decide to play the game, but the multi-player is what makes me decide to stay. I'm looking forward to that first game where a 12 yr old spouts racial slurs at me. Ahhhh...Xbox Live.

[Lon Lon Rabbit]

I don't know what to make of the game from these impressions, the different editors all contradict each other.
One says there is no slowdown at any time in any mode, another says it gets choppy in 4 player split screen.
One says the particle effects and explosions are constant and pretty in all modes including the huge maps online, another says they are gone completely from Live play.
One says the roll is an incredibly well implemented combat tool, another says that it's disconcerting and makes it impossible to keep track of enemies.
Certainly sounds like they all need more time with the game to find out how it REALLY plays with this many conflicting reports.
Atm I'm not considering purchasing a 360 before the Revolution, but if this turns out something special it's the sole thing that may convince me.

[Hizawky]

Anyone else recently bought a ps2/xbox/gamecube with the xbox360 soon to be released?

I am finding buying a ps2 and catching up on Metal gear / ffx / Beyond Good and Evil / Resident Evil 4 / Shadow and the Collossus to be a better pickup than the 360.

[The_Darr]

Anyone else recently bought a ps2/xbox/gamecube with the xbox360 soon to be released?

I am finding buying a ps2 and catching up on Metal gear / ffx / Beyond Good and Evil / Resident Evil 4 / Shadow and the Collossus to be a better pickup than the 360.
honestly after the past few months i, too, have decided to purchase an xbox/ps2. no matter how you slice it, 400 fucking dollars is too goddamn fucking much for this person. besides, im one of the "select few" who enjoy games LONGER than 10-15 hours, so the launch line-up doesnt seem to spark any interest(until it all cheapens).

400 dollars=ps2/xbox with at least 2 controllers each and at least 1-2 games each(new) --OR-- a bare system with no dvd support and 1 controller and no games. hmmm such a difficult decision...

shit, i still havent upgraded/bought a new pc yet, and 400 dollars is WAY better spent on my rig than a game-only player.

[BleedTheFreak]

400 fucking dollars is too goddamn fucking much for this person.

The proper way to swear in this case would be to drop that second "fucking". A little tip: Say it out loud before you post it, to make sure you don't sound ridiculous. ;)

[The Iron Weasel]

I'm looking forward to that first game where a 12 yr old spouts racial slurs at me. Ahhhh...Xbox Live.

That first time you get called a stupid "racial slur", that fucks his momma, even though your white, is a defining moment isn't it?

[The_Darr]

The proper way to swear in this case would be to drop that second "fucking". A little tip: Say it out loud before you post it, to make sure you don't sound ridiculous. ;)
heh, i felt it necessary to add UNnecessary "F-bombs" to further show my opinion on the matter, it makes me frusterated beyond all normal grammatical comprehension...my bad...im a cheap bitch...

and besides, i LOVE to sound ridiculous...

on an ON TOPIC note, i actually AM psyched to get my hands on this game, though id NEVER buy an entire system just to play it.

[RandomViolence]

You're an idiot, and I don't like being called a fool, so I'm going to try reasoning with you once. After that your dumb misguided self is on your own.

so did you not answer my qquestion of where did it get started because you can't answer it (yes), or because you were incapable of understanding it? (undetermined).

Who the fuck cares where a phrase got started? I understand that your definition of a 'killer-app' is something that's "completely 1000% better than every other." I told you that you were wrong, and that it is a "system selling exclusive". Do you realize the difference between those two? I'll admit that I can't answer your question, and frankly I don't see the point. You're the one who has to admit you don't understand what I've said.

You people act like you would have sat down and said "ehh, sonic is ok, but it's not that much better than altered beast, it's no killer-app". No, because no one would have been silly enough to evaluate it that way, and no one evaluated the original Xbox launch lineup that way.

Actually, that's completely wrong. I agree that looking at it like that would be pretty damn stupid. The reason Halo was a 'killer-app' wasn't because it was "completely 1000% better than every other", it was because it was a damn good game that you couldn't get anywhere else but on Xbox.

For all the talk of how Halo was a killer app the fact remains Microsoft didn't overtake Sony, why, becuase having one good game doesn't matter nearly as much as having a bunch of good games and releasing more good games over time.

No shit, sherlock.

But hey, don't let reality stop your foolishness.

Prick. Maybe next time you should try READING the replies before hitting that post button, and you would see that our positions weren't so far apart. I know that's a lot of effort and all, but it'll help keep your and my blood pressure down in the long run and stop you from looking like an arrogant ass.

I still hope PDZ's a killer-app FPS. For the record, since it's already exclusive, that just means I hope it's good, m'kay?

[Groo]

Now, I don't remember any launch being stronger than the 360 lineup.

The Dreamcast's was stronger.

This is the first system to enhance the previous generations games...or am I forgetting any console that did this.

GameBoy Color added color to old GameBoy games, and PS2 added faster loading and smoother textures to PS1 games.

But I would say that the 360 offers the most significant enhancements.

[Royal Fool]

I remember laughing my ass off when I saw TRON 2.0: Killer App. What a name.

[rjcc]

LOL. so your response is that you don't care where the quote got started. if you didn't, then why did you reply to my post, speaking of not reading, in case you hadn't noticed, that was my original question.
And then of course the only example you provide is Halo, which I already showed didn't meet that definition itself when it launched.

Your silly ass definition of a killer app, is so loose any launch game that doesn't suck and is exclusive fits. Since Microsoft already has several games that don't suck and are exclusive, why has it been repeated that people want PDZ to be THE "killer-app"

Thank you and goodnight.

BTW, there appears to be some sand in your vagina, you may want to take care of that.



You're an idiot, and I don't like being called a fool, so I'm going to try reasoning with you once. After that your dumb misguided self is on your own.



Who the fuck cares where a phrase got started? I understand that your definition of a 'killer-app' is something that's "completely 1000% better than every other." I told you that you were wrong, and that it is a "system selling exclusive". Do you realize the difference between those two? I'll admit that I can't answer your question, and frankly I don't see the point. You're the one who has to admit you don't understand what I've said.



Actually, that's completely wrong. I agree that looking at it like that would be pretty damn stupid. The reason Halo was a 'killer-app' wasn't because it was "completely 1000% better than every other", it was because it was a damn good game that you couldn't get anywhere else but on Xbox.



No shit, sherlock.



Prick. Maybe next time you should try READING the replies before hitting that post button, and you would see that our positions weren't so far apart. I know that's a lot of effort and all, but it'll help keep your and my blood pressure down in the long run and stop you from looking like an arrogant ass.

I still hope PDZ's a killer-app FPS. For the record, since it's already exclusive, that just means I hope it's good, m'kay?

[H.Bogard]

Hey kids! Uncle bogard has a little song to sing for you
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SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

jeez!!! killer ap or not who gives a shit...call it whatever you like it doesnt change anything.

[LiquidRain]

I have to agree with Groo, I find the Dreamcast's launch was stronger. As for the follow-up months/year, we'll have to see. I remember the months after the DC launch to be a bit slim, but then it hit a roll until its death. (or maybe I was just too busy playing PSO to notice how long it was between AAA titles :D )

As for that other topic in this thread (which I hope dearly ends soon): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_game . I agree with the definition, and I think it sums up RandomViolence's stance fairly well and clearly enough. As for the question "where does the phrase 'killer app' come from", see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_app . ;)

[pomeroy]

Killer App: Launching with Soul Calibur

Non-killer app: Launching with Luigi's Mansion

Any questions?

[Magnanimous Gnome]

LOL. so your response is that you don't care where the quote got started. if you didn't, then why did you reply to my post, speaking of not reading, in case you hadn't noticed, that was my original question.
And then of course the only example you provide is Halo, which I already showed didn't meet that definition itself when it launched.

Your silly ass definition of a killer app, is so loose any launch game that doesn't suck and is exclusive fits. Since Microsoft already has several games that don't suck and are exclusive, why has it been repeated that people want PDZ to be THE "killer-app"

Thank you and goodnight.

BTW, there appears to be some sand in your vagina, you may want to take care of that.


What on Earth is your problem?

A killer-app is a game that sells a system - an exclusive title that can't be gotten anywhere else that moves consoles because people really want to play the game. Examples include Mario 64, Grand Theft Auto III, and, yes, Halo.

People are saying that PDZ might be the killer app because it is one of three games at the Xbox's launch that is not available elsewhere. Of those three, PDZ was originally given the most attention. Hence the assumption that it will be the best title. This has of course waned somewhat now that the game is being pushed aside in favor of Kameo.


I still really don't get what you are so worked up about anyway. Take your meds.

[rjcc]

Don't call me worked up because you feel like a hit dog because I called you out on the stupidity of the calls for "killer app, killer app".
GTA III wasn't a launch title for the PS2, and Nintendo 64 and Xbox weren't able to overcome the Playstation or Playstation 2 despite having so-called "killer apps".

Maybe they should be renamed "somewhat dangerous apps" because they certainly can't kill sony. Ever since the 360 was announced, people have been saying "what is the new halo" when in fact halo did not meet the definition of killer app when it launched. If it was such a system seller, and you have to have a system seller, then why did the Xbox not sell more systems?

some people don't like thinking.


What on Earth is your problem?

A killer-app is a game that sells a system - an exclusive title that can't be gotten anywhere else that moves consoles because people really want to play the game. Examples include Mario 64, Grand Theft Auto III, and, yes, Halo.

People are saying that PDZ might be the killer app because it is one of three games at the Xbox's launch that is not available elsewhere. Of those three, PDZ was originally given the most attention. Hence the assumption that it will be the best title. This has of course waned somewhat now that the game is being pushed aside in favor of Kameo.


I still really don't get what you are so worked up about anyway. Take your meds.

[TrackZero]

Anyone else recently bought a ps2/xbox/gamecube with the xbox360 soon to be released?

I am finding buying a ps2 and catching up on Metal gear / ffx / Beyond Good and Evil / Resident Evil 4 / Shadow and the Collossus to be a better pickup than the 360.

I just bought a PS2. I picked up Shadow of the Colossus, Katamari Damacy and Kingdom Hearts for it (also just eBayed a copyed of Zone of Enders 2nd Runner). At the price it's at now, it's just a steal. It's unfortunate I'm just no longer an FF fan after FF7. I'm also looking forward to grabbing God of War when the price goes down, as well as the Jak series (I need a good platformer).

As for Metal Gear, Beyond Good and Evil, Resident Evil 4, I have those already on my other systems. ;)

[mister_slim]

Actually, that's completely wrong. I agree that looking at it like that would be pretty damn stupid. The reason Halo was a 'killer-app' wasn't because it was "completely 1000% better than every other", it was because it was a damn good game that you couldn't get anywhere else but on Xbox.
I think Halo was a killer app because it was approachable enough to pull in people who had never played a console FPS before (thanks to elegant design) and because it trained them in the skills they would need for later, less newbie friendly games (like Unreal Championship 2).
Don't call me worked up because you feel like a hit dog because I called you out on the stupidity of the calls for "killer app, killer app".
GTA III wasn't a launch title for the PS2, and Nintendo 64 and Xbox weren't able to overcome the Playstation or Playstation 2 despite having so-called "killer apps".
So the PSP is doomed?

[TrackZero]

Don't call me worked up because you feel like a hit dog because I called you out on the stupidity of the calls for "killer app, killer app".
GTA III wasn't a launch title for the PS2, and Nintendo 64 and Xbox weren't able to overcome the Playstation or Playstation 2 despite having so-called "killer apps".

To be fair, PS2 had Gran Turismo as it's killer app. The PS1 had Final Fantasy 7. While I'd agree the overall library is more important, "system sellers" help people get their foot in the door. It's a combined effort.

[rjcc]

To be fair, PS2 had Gran Turismo as it's killer app. The PS1 had Final Fantasy 7. While I'd agree the overall library is more important, "system sellers" help people get their foot in the door. It's a combined effort.

And i'm not at all disagreeing with you, I'm saying that it's been proven that having "killer app" at launch doesn't matter at all in a systems succes, and to expect to have one of the best games to come out for your system EVER to be available at launch, and even more, that people would think it was an all time great at the time it comes out, is pretty silly when you look back at which systems have had the most success.

Halo was not right out of the gate the broad based phenomenon it is today, only the hardcore owned xbox's immediately. the people who are searching for a killer app are generally using revisionist history, or ignoring history altogether.

[Kelegacy]

Anyone else recently bought a ps2/xbox/gamecube with the xbox360 soon to be released?

I am finding buying a ps2 and catching up on Metal gear / ffx / Beyond Good and Evil / Resident Evil 4 / Shadow and the Collossus to be a better pickup than the 360.

Good for you. When I picked up my PS2 it was 3 years after launch and I had some killer games to catch up on. I envy your backlog of games you've yet to play.

Same could be said for any system anyone not yet owns. Each is worth it, and will be even more so if the prices hit 99 bucks. And the Gamecube is quite a little demon, too. All 3 have their place under my television, all bought years after launch and I don't regret that at all.

[novicius]

To be fair, PS2 had Gran Turismo as it's killer app.
What? In what skewed viewpoint do you arrive at this conclusion? GT3 didn't come out at launch, it didn't come out for something like 8 months.

There are four reasons for the PS2's success:

1.) The Playstation brand.

2.) The Sony Marketing Team.

3.) The included DVD playing capabilities.

4.) GTA III

[LiquidRain]

What? In what skewed viewpoint do you arrive at this conclusion? GT3 didn't come out at launch, it didn't come out for something like 8 months.

As was said before, it doesn't have to be launch to be killer app. And if you think GT3 wasn't either a killer app or a huge sales event (I am not wading into the argument), you obviously didn't work in a retail game store that day. It was sheer chaos.

[novicius]

Did it outsell Madden for that year? Show me the numbers. ;)

[Magnanimous Gnome]

For fucks sake, this is ridiculous. I'm going to break this down - follow closely:


Don't call me worked up because you feel like a hit dog because I called you out on the stupidity of the calls for "killer app, killer app".

You didn't call me out on anything bud. I never once said anything about PDZ or Kameo being a killer app - I was explaining why others are calling them such. Personally I have no interest in either title, or the 360 itself. For the record I'm not a huge Halo fan either.

You are worked up btw, ranting and raving at people the way that you are, and obviously missing several points.


GTA III wasn't a launch title for the PS2, and Nintendo 64 and Xbox weren't able to overcome the Playstation or Playstation 2 despite having so-called "killer apps".

A game does not have to come out at launch to be a killer app. Also, a killer app is a game that sells systems, not a game that makes a system sell more than any other system. Super Mario 64 sold Nintendo 64s. It was a game that you could not get anywhere else that people really wanted to play, and they bought the N64 to play it on. That's a killer app. It has nothing to do with "killing" shit, it's just an expression.


Maybe they should be renamed "somewhat dangerous apps" because they certainly can't kill sony.

Again, a killer app doesn't have to "kill" anything. "Killer" is NOT used literally here. Ever heard of figures of speech?


Ever since the 360 was announced, people have been saying "what is the new halo" when in fact halo did not meet the definition of killer app when it launched.

Halo IS a killer app. The game made people buy the Xbox system. Again, it doesn't mean more Xbox's had to be sold than PS2s - that has nothing to do with it whatsoever. Had the Xbox just launched with Solitaire and Cel Damage, it wouldn't have lasted a year. There would be no 360 without Halo. Period. Again, that makes Halo a killer app - it is the biggest reason to own an Xbox, a game to buy the system for. Thus a killer app.

If it was such a system seller, and you have to have a system seller, then why did the Xbox not sell more systems?

Again, the Xbox wouldn't have sold anything if Halo hadn't been there to make people want to own the system. I lived in the dorms two years after Halo released. Everyone in the dorms who played games had either an Xbox or PS2 (I was the only guy I knew with a Cube). All those who owned the Xbox had Halo, and they all played it daily over the school's network. Again, killer app. They didn't buy that Xbox to play Cel Damage or Blinx. They bought it because of Halo.

Also, to clarify something - a system doesn't have to have one killer app. There can be more than one huge title that makes a system move off the shelves. A major reason that the PS2 was so successful is that it has the most killer apps of the three.


some people don't like thinking.

Hello Pot. :rolleyes:

[rjcc]

LOL. You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm "ranting and raving" because I think a term is stupid. You haven't brought up a single point that I didn't bring up long before.

Not to mention, you can't even comprehend english well enough to understand my point about killer apps. You try to repeat how it's not about literally killing (really, software on an optical disc doesn't literally cause the death of something? shocking, thanks for pointing that out to me, I am forever indebted to you for it).

In case you haven't been around for the last six months, let me bring you up to speed. Each and every time games have been shown for the 360, there has been mentions of what is/is not/won't be a "killer app", and there have been many people who have claimed Microsoft will fail if they do not have a killer app at launch. If you haven't been on Earth for most of 2005, I certainly apologize for how late this news has reached you.

Did I say Halo wasn't one of the best games ever for Xbox? no. What I said was that it was panned by critics and gamers because it was not that impressive leading up to launch, and the single player game was highly repetitive. It caught on later, what your friends were doing in their dorm rooms later confirms my point, which has been from the beginning, that attempting to call "killer app killer app" before the game is even out is dumb. I also made the point that it was the ONLY game worth buying at the launch of the Xbox, which is why people focus so much on it. Thanks for cosigning me, I appreciate it.

[Roman]

I've played it a bit today. Single and multi are pretty good. I wouldn't say it's "incredible" but if you're a fan of the original you'll like this one, especially since this time you're playing with a respectable framerate, insanely better visuals, and a controller designed for human beings (sorry but I hated the N64 controller, it was the main reason I never finished the original game). I'm not sure it will win over non-PD fans or the Halo 2 crowd, but it's at the very least more interesting that most other FPS games out there now.

A few things to worry about:

1) The game has frozen up twice at the end of a deathmatch - pressing Start to go back to the lobby doesn't work, and I'm forced to exit to the Dashboard and restart the game.

2) There is often a lot of echoing in the voice chat. I'm not sure how many people are playing nationwide right now, so this actually may be a rare thing when more people start playing, we'll see.

[Montgomery_Python]

After reading the 1UP impressions, I (once again) mixed thoughts about this game. Never was a big fan of Goldeneye and never bothered to try Perfect Dark, so I have noooo clue what I'm supposedly missing.



So u have no idea what u r missing, indeed. I highly suggest u try Perfect dark, it was WAY ahead of its time. Even if PD for 360 gets a 7 or somethin like that, i'll still be getting this, only cause i loved the first sooo much.

Shouldnt this game have reviews already anyway? it came out the 17th, so are the major sites just fuckin with out minds by writing "impressions"?
Check your y and o keys. They seem to be hit and miss. A and e are also suspect.

[Royal Fool]

What? In what skewed viewpoint do you arrive at this conclusion? GT3 didn't come out at launch, it didn't come out for something like 8 months.

There are four reasons for the PS2's success:

1.) The Playstation brand.

2.) The Sony Marketing Team.

3.) The included DVD playing capabilities.

4.) GTA III

5.) EA hadn't supported the Dreamcast, so even though it had launched much earlier, people still hadn't seen "next-gen" EA games, which made their appearance on the PS2 that much more impressive.

[LogainAblar]

5.) EA hadn't supported the Dreamcast, so even though it had launched much earlier, people still hadn't seen "next-gen" EA games, which made their appearance on the PS2 that much more impressive.

6.) Janapese RPG's. Do I even need to mention the popularity of them in Japan, especially the Dragon Quest series and Final Fantasy series?

And rjcc, calm down man; smoke a bowl or something.