HP to Drop Support for Blu-Ray?

[fitbabits]

PC Pro (http://www.pcpro.co.uk) has the details (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/79912/hp-gets-cold-feet-over-bluray.html):

HP is considering dropping its support for Blu-Ray and backing the rival HD-DVD format for high definition optical discs.

The change of heart follows a decision by the Sony-led Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) to stick with its Java-based software for providing interactive features on Blu-ray (BD) discs. HP had asked the BDA to adopt the iHD platform, as this will be supported in the forthcoming Vista version of Microsoft Windows.

Blu-ray spokesman Andy Parsons told Reuters that the BDA is not ruling out iHD entirely but that it did not want to make any changes that would delay Blu-ray's launch.
Alas poor Sony...

[Ernst_Jager]

Guilty by association. I think people are worried about how they will look because of the recent bad DRM press. Which is fine by my book. I think DRM shit sucks big time.

[bapenguin]

Ya know...they both should just drop their formats...it's too early anyway. Both groups can then start over and work on a new unified format like HVD.

[fitbabits]

Guilty by association. I think people are worried about how they will look because of the recent bad DRM press. Which is fine by my book. I think DRM shit sucks big time.
I thought about mentioning that in the news post... This does raise a whole bunch of new questions - have Sony burned too many bridges with the DRM debacle?

[Morratut]

Mmmm people will want to support Vista with that being the next operating system for the PC. Companies won't want to against the grain in that regard.

[Vandenh]

I wonder if Bluray will install rootkits? :)

[fitbabits]

I wonder if Bluray will install rootkits? :)
LOL!

One does wonder what copy protection they will utilize, though.

[Reanimated]

Of course Sony wants nothing to do with Managed Copy. They'd much rather fuck you up the ass with shit like rootkits.

[Malovech]

Who cares how much space a Blu-Ray dvd can hold, if they are going to keep doing the crap they're doing it's totally not worth it.

[saran_js]

Of course Sony wants nothing to do with Managed Copy. They'd much rather fuck you up the ass with shit like rootkits.

As opposed to Microsoft screwing you through you behind, mouth ears and nose ???
Get real, either way we're all screwed whether it is Sony or your beloved Microsoft. :mad:

[fitbabits]

As opposed to Microsoft screwing you through you behind, mouth ears and nose ???
Get real, either way we're all screwed whether it is Sony or your beloved Microsoft. :mad:
Someone touch a raw nerve? :rolleyes:

[jBusy]

Who cares about HP? The ones that will determine which format wins is the movie studios.

[saran_js]

Naw... just cheesed off that most of you guys keep pounding on the obvious and miss out the 900 pound gorilla that is about to brain you over.
:)

[Reanimated]

Actually, MS is also pushing for Managed Copy so that people can freely copy and distribute their content in their homes.

So yeah, I don't know what you're crying about, or why you even brought MS into the discussion, but that's the fact of the matter.

[saran_js]

Actually, MS is also pushing for Managed Copy so that people can freely copy and distribute their content in their homes.

So yeah, I don't know what you're crying about, or why you even brought MS into the discussion, but that's the fact of the matter.

Actually, they really are going to screw you over, only that they want to do it their own way, with MS Windows being in control and then they can screw over the manufacturers, the content providers, the studios and the consumers. Economics 101, or Lord of the Rings, the one ring to control and rule them over.
DOH!!!

Read between the lines, man !!! You're not seeing the whole picture.

[Reanimated]

Uh ok... How exactly?

Wait, wait, wait... let me get my tin foil hat on first. I think I hear black helicopters overhead.

[Vandenh]

>Read between the lines, man !!! You're not seeing the whole picture.

Some of you people are funny....

Reality check. ALL companies actually want your money and will f*ck you over. Last couple of weeks we have seen that Sony *is* actually doing that *right now* with content. MS, at least for the moment, has no use doing that since they are not content providers. Guess who I want to set the standards for next gen format?

Anyway.. like someone said before. Let's just drop HD-DVD and Bluray, both standards are made to make us buy everything again. There is no direct need for a new format, give us one in 5 years (minimum). HVD all the way!

[Bone]

As evil as Microsoft is, they make attempts to AVOID mangling the kernel of the OS installed in most user's computers, as opposed to... well you know where I'm going.

Sony's paranoid attempts at DRM makes things worse for the consumer. And this HD-DVD war reminds me all too much of the VHS-Betamax war. Stop fighting over your baby toys and do something for the consumer, you fucksticks!

[saran_js]

Uh ok... How exactly?

Wait, wait, wait... let me get my tin foil hat on first. I think I hear black helicopters overhead.

Doh... do you even have an idea of the IT industry ??? Have you been too busy salivating over your soon to arrive xbox360 ???
One of Microsoft's targets is to control the living room. In the living room, content is king.
If they control the ways and ability to provide content, then they will be able to control both the consumers as well as the content providers. Remember their settop boxes ?? Only that now it has evolved in to xBox.

Why do you think they are so interested in AOL ? To get the user base ? Why do you think they bought over Hotmail ? To embrace, extend, assimilate and exterminate, and to get the user base hooked in to their infrastructure. Once they have the users, the content providers would be basically held hostage to their demands.

Say for example, funds transfer. Do you have any idea as to how much the guy who created the means for banks and financial houses to transfer funds and money across the world. I read this one in Fortune magazine a few years back. Basically he provided the technology and means to transfer funds securely and instantly. All the banks around the world uses his service, and he is basically a zillionaire. Can't recall his name though.

Another analogy, Oil. Who controls the oil controls in a limited fashion a country's future. Or do I have to go into the story of how President Bush invaded another country. Say all you want, in the end it is and always will be about oil, history will write that.
Edit... So in other words, control here is the keyword.
Heck if all the oil producing countries were to boycott U.S.A by not selling oil to them, you can be damn sure that Bush is gonna start invading. But anyways this is going off topic.

So, you get the picture ?

[Fonz]

It really is sad to see the superior format losing the fight, HD-DVD(stupid general consumer name) is no were near as fast or capable of storage that of what blue ray has to offer. Oh well, grats evil avatar fans *** is going to win.

[Goronmon]

So, you get the picture ?
Not really, you provided a ton of examples of things that have nothing to do with whether HD-DVD is better for consumers than Blu-Ray.

It really is sad to see the superior format losing the fight, HD-DVD(stupid general consumer name) is no were near as fast or capable of storage that of what blue ray has to offer. Oh well, grats evil avatar fans *** is going to win.
I'd rather deal having a few less GB available than have to deal with Sony's DRM bullshit.

[saran_js]

Not really, you provided a ton of examples of things that have nothing to do with whether HD-DVD is better for consumers than Blu-Ray.

Sorry, we were arguing about something else.

[Reanimated]

Doh... do you even have an idea of the IT industry ???






None at all. I only manage a government network with over 800 users.

You may be shocked to know that MS actually makes my life *gasp* EASIER!

Clue get, kid.

[saran_js]

None at all. I only manage a government network with over 800 users.

You may be shocked to know that MS actually makes my life *gasp* EASIER!

Clue get, kid.

Well congratulations to you then. But then we are not talking about ease of use of an operating system are we ? And it still doesn't change the fact that they are out to conquer the content market and make it theirs so that they can impose their own controls and charge the users their rates.

You too need to get a clue old man, your own ways are too set in stone. :p

The MPAA/RIAA just recently came out with a press comment saying that piracy of DVDs are likened to drug trafficking. Well I say that Microsoft product are like drugs, whereby you start by tasting it first, and keep using it until you think that you are too reliant on the product and think to yourself that there is no other alternative means of doing it any other way. What's more, they do tailor it in such a way that it really does force you in to a situation that there definitely is no other way.

[Reanimated]

How the fuck can they be out to conquer the content market when they don't own any fucking content?

lol, you're a fucking moron.

[bobbler]

Of course Sony wants nothing to do with Managed Copy. They'd much rather fuck you up the ass with shit like rootkits.

Tee hee. Thats funny (http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyID=2005-11-17T014937Z_01_MCC706561_RTRUKOC_0_US-MEDIA-BLURAY-HP.xml)

On Wednesday Blu-ray said it will incorporate mandatory managed copy but would launch it in spring 2006 with interactive features built on Sun Microsystems Inc.'s (SUNW.O: Quote, Profile, Research) Java software.

And yet again a horrible thread -- the actual quote from HP says they would only become more nuetral, not drop support of BR. What is with you clowns?
"If they are unable to incorporate technologies we think are critical for the PC architecture, we'll be more neutral. We'll think of cost and implementation across the board. Potentially, we could support both HD DVD and Blu-ray," she said.

[Reanimated]

So Sony didn't install rootkits?

Oh wait...

http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,69573,00.html?tw=rss.TOP


lol

How do you control your sphincter with all they ass-fucking you take from Sony?

[bobbler]

So Sony didn't install rootkits

Oh wait...

http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,69573,00.html?tw=rss.TOP


lol

How do you control your sphincter with all they ass-fucking you take from Sony?

What ass fucking? Or are you trying to imply that I purchased a bunch of Sony BMG music and then completely forgot about it?

Or maybe you're implying ass fucking as a pleasurable experience -- I do enjoy my PS2 and all the games I have on it; in that case, I suppose it would be hard to control my sphincter if I were to equate playing my PS2 to your apparent greatest pleasure.

[Twigz'N'Berries]

Wow, you would think that everyone here has stock in one of the companies. Look, BR is the clear favorite to win the format war. The content providers (movie studios and software manufacturers) are supporting BR. If HP pulled out entirely, it wouldn't matter as much. BR will win out and Sony's format will be adopted. HD-DVD's lack of space makes it stillborn.
If you honestly think that Sony's dirty rootkit fiasco is going to hurt them that much, you are obverestimating the memories and awareness of the average American. We will keep buying their products as they crap on our heads...as long as they are of a low price and decent quality. If you went on a poll to find out how many Americans knew about the rootkit issue, I'm sure it would be very low. None of my non-gamer friends had the slightest clue about it.

Sony is in a good position to make PS3 succeed if they manage it correctly. If they use the PS3 to open up a portal for their music and movie business, not to mention their memory sticks and UMDs, the company stands to have a great bounce back year in 2008.
I'm actually more worried about MS. I don't know where they are looking to grow their business in the next couple of years. Yes, they have huge cash reserves, but where are they looking to expand to? People are using other browser solutions like Mozilla. Linux (sucks) but other companies are trying it. Google has the search engine business and is growing it.

[saran_js]

How the fuck can they be out to conquer the content market when they don't own any fucking content?

lol, you're a fucking moron.

Well, basically by owning the distribution channels and the method that users use to access the content. In other words, the successor to Live and MS Windows Vista.

Didn't see that did you ?

[Twigz'N'Berries]

Well, basically by owning the distribution channels and the method that users use to access the content. In other words, the successor to Live and MS Windows Vista.

Didn't see that did you ?
So what distribution channels are you referring to? MS cannot control more than 1 tv station in the same market...so MSNNBC is all they can have there. I don't see radio as a huge advantage. They don't control the internet providers like AOL, SBC, Verizon...etc. Music downloads are big through iTunes and Napster...MSN is ok, but definitely not the major player. How is it that MS controls distribution.

I'm not being an ass, but I don't see it. Also, provide any links that you can...I like reading up on stuff like this.

[mister_slim]

So what distribution channels are you referring to? MS cannot control more than 1 tv station in the same market...so MSNNBC is all they can have there. I don't see radio as a huge advantage. They don't control the internet providers like AOL, SBC, Verizon...etc. Music downloads are big through iTunes and Napster...MSN is ok, but definitely not the major player. How is it that MS controls distribution.
Napster is Windows. How do you think MMC works? I would guess some heavily DRMed WMV file, that will only play on players paying MS for licenses (I should probably research this a little more, but I don't really care). Notice all the flurry of open document demands (Massachusetts, et al)? Look what making .doc a required format has achieved for Office. MS wants to do the same thing with WMA and WMV. Apple wants the same with Fairplay, Sony with Blu-Ray.