PS3 Controller Redesigned? Probably Not

[EternalGamer]

In a rumor-debunking story on Gamespot, Sony officials denied that a major controller overhaul was scheduled to be revealed at the January CES:

Sony Computer Entertainment corporate executive and chief technical officer Masayuki Chatanai told Famitsu after the E3 unveiling that the controller might undergo "minor changes" but that the form factor would probably stay the same.
Well, it looks like we will just have to wait for someone to make an adaptor so we can all use our 360 controllers on our PS3s. :o

[AspectVoid]

I'm one of the few people for who the XBox controller really, really sucks. The analog sticks are in very uncomfortable places for me. Neither stick is in a position where my thumbs naturally rest. On the other hand, they match perfectly with the Dual Shock analog sticks. Until I actually get hands on with the PS3 controller, I'll wait to make judgement.

[moron]

You mean Revolution controller right? Both Sony (with the XCP root kit evilness) and Microsoft (being a convicted predatory monopolist, backer of SCO, etc.) are on permanent boycott status.

I guess I am now a Nintendo fanboy by default. Kind of funny as I loathe the Gamecube.

=)

Cheers

[fitbabits]

I love the Controller S for my Xbox! In fact, the PS2 controller feels like a toy when I pick it up after prolonged use of said Contoller S.

As for the PS3 controller - my gut reaction when I saw it for the first time was howling and derisory laughter. Now I think it just looks stupid.

[PantherModern]

*gasp* No...

If I wanted a batarang I'd buy Wayne manor and put on a spandex leotard.

[Savok]

The positive side of this is large amounts of lesbian gamer porn. Does the Sony boycott extend to that however? Sony doesn't get money from that afterall.

[EternalGamer]

MS would probably be on my boycott list as well, if I weren't such a weak willed videogame enthusiast. I try to make socially conscious purchases whenever I can, but videogames are my one real indulgence. On the plus side, at least 360's are made in Mexico under fairly decent labor conditions and all the game, cases, and manuals are manufactured in the US (look on your boxes). So things could be a lot worse.

Dan

[RandomViolence]

The positive side of this is large amounts of lesbian gamer porn. Does the Sony boycott extend to that however? Sony doesn't get money from that afterall.

I'd compare that to vegans and vegetarianism. Sony-vegan gamers would avoid lesbian porn with Sony products, despite the harm that it does their bodies by ignoring such a wonderful thing. Sony-vegetarians would still enjoy the fruits (ha!), though.

Where's that crack pipe... it was here a second ago.

[ezra]

Personally I've never liked or understood the playstation controllers. I mean, they're not form fitting to the hand. My hand does not have right angles.

[Savok]

Well I hate vegetarians, but I hate vegans more. My world makes sense again.

[fitbabits]

Well I hate vegetarians, but I hate vegans more. My world makes sense again.
You cruel bastard, I've been vegetarian for over 20 years! How can you hate me without even knowing me? :rolleyes:

[EternalGamer]

I think you should be happy with the initial analogy, though, fitbabits. In paralleling these "boycotts" to someone who is making a more significan lifestyle choice, it brings out the ridiculiousness of the formers social justifications. There are much bigger issues in the world worth addressing and putting your energies towards than digital rights, in my opinion.

Dan

[fitbabits]

I think you should be happy with the initial analogy, though, fitbabits. In paralleling these "boycotts" to someone who is making a more significan lifestyle choice, it brings out the ridiculiousness of the formers social justifications. There are much bigger issues in the world worth addressing and putting your energies towards than digital rights, in my opinion.

Dan
Quite! :D...

[Rirath]

Boycotts and petitions have just never made sense to me. They don't work, likely never will, and really are an inconvenience only to the people involved in them. Pretty much every time I hear the word boycott or petition (worse, petitiononline.com), I tend to write off the rest of the post.

Best case scenario is that you meet people you agree with. Worse case is you become evangelical about it and shout it from the rooftops everytime someone mentions Sony/EA/MS/etc.

[Venkman]

The ps2 controller will give you claw hands. Hold your hands up like you are grasping a PS2 controller and the L1, L2, R1, and R2 buttons.

Claws I say.

Thank god the XBo 360 controller is redesigned. My bones were starting to bend from the weight of the original "duke" controller. ;-)

[EternalGamer]

While I agree with you rirath that most people mainly use these things as platformers for psychological self aggrandizement, I don't agree that just because something does not have a direct and visible result that it makes that thing worthless. For one, I think there are causes that are worth supporting not based on any utilitarian considerations, but are simply based on the fact that supporting them is the right thing to do. Nevertheless, I also think that these things have a way of creating an indirect influence--they at least put the ideas out into the public forum and perhaps get people thinking about them. It is always difficult to justify the success of promoting certain ideas given the complex and fluctuating social matrices that make up the world in which we live.

For example, I don't generally proselytize for my personal boycott of places like Walmart, but I will discuss the justifications for it to anyone that asks. "Winning" for me in that case would just mean that that person was just a bit more socially conscious the next time they went to the store to make a purchase. If even a small portion of the population took it upon themselves to make the labor conditons under which a product was purchased a factor in their consumer decisions, I would consider that is a significant start.

Dan

[sickfallout]

*gasp* No...

If I wanted a batarang I'd buy Wayne manor and put on a spandex leotard.

I'm all for bashing whatever game company, they all make dumb decisions.

But I'll be DAMNED to sit here and listen to you insult the Dark Knight. He does NOT wear a leotard.

That is all.

[EternalGamer]

The ps2 controller will give you claw hands. Hold your hands up like you are grasping a PS2 controller and the L1, L2, R1, and R2 buttons.

Claws I say.

Thank god the XBo 360 controller is redesigned. My bones were starting to bend from the weight of the original "duke" controller. ;-)

As comfortable as I found it, it was actually the Gamecube controller that game that that problem. Holding down the L&R buttons constantly for the Metriod games made my fingers HURT. First time I have ever had that problem with a controller. Anyone else have that problem?

Dan

[Savok]

Righto, I'll just sit back and let assholes take little bits of freedom away piece by piece then.

We'll just let shit like this (http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/beach-photo-ban-call/2005/11/04/1130823397675.html) go then. Hey lets ban sharp objects next, crazy people might stick other folk with them.

[Vileblitz]

I'm just gonna say that the PS2 controller sucked. There should have been a commercial where someone yelled "You sank my fucking battleship!" and threw the controller against the wall, the camera zooms in and catches it smashing into pieces. Then pick up the rumble box pad, whatever the hell it is and acknowlege that shouldn't have been there in the way. Why is that controller so uncomfortable? I'd take a Nes Max over that controller. The isolated 4 way dpad with a hole in the middle really sucks too. My thumb feels like its has been in the alls quiet on the western front. Then all hell breaks loose and i'm wondering why I cant do a damned controlled streetfighter move. Reaction grasshopa.

[Dragos]

You mean Revolution controller right? Both Sony (with the XCP root kit evilness) and Microsoft (being a convicted predatory monopolist, backer of SCO, etc.) are on permanent boycott status.

Because Nintendo never used monopolistic practices in its days? :confused:

[TheEpicOfTyler]

The Xbox360 controller does not fit my hands, when I moved for the start button at the kiosks my thumb moved the right analog stick alot.

[*Legion*]

The only thing I don't like about the PS2 controller is the small size. It's fine for little Japanese market baby hands, but I'm a big guy with big man's hands. The Xbox and especially Xbox 360 controller is much better.

All I would want from the PS3 is an enlarged version of the PS2 controller, although maybe steal the trigger idea from the Xbox (triggers are SO much better than just another pair of shoulder buttons).

Oh, and let me plug a damn headset into the CONTROLLER like on the Xbox. I play a lot of SOCOM on my PS2 and having the headset cable run all the way from the console (and get tangled up in the controller cable) is a pain in the ass.

[*Legion*]

Because Nintendo never used monopolistic practices in its days? :confused:

Seriously. Nintendo's history pretty much blows up that guy's idea of choosing the "good" company.

[EternalGamer]

PS2 was the controller that introducted TEKKEN thumb thanks to that stupid divided D-pad.

In regards to the 360 controller, my only initial complaint (on very limited use at a kiosk) is that the shoulder buttons seem to have lost some of the tension that the original Xbox ones had. I thought the shoulder buttons on the original were perfect because they allowed you to adjust the degree with more precision. The same was true of the Xbox analogue sticks (the PS2's analogue sticks were way too loose), but the 360's seem to be of the same mold in that area. In any case, has anoyone else noticed the shoulder button thing on the 360 or am I just imagining things?

[DoubleUranium]

All I ask is please, please put some analog triggers on it. I've never seen a pic of the controller from the front so maybe it already had them (anyone know?). I won't buy a PS3 without analog triggers - no way I am playing GT for 5 more years without analog gas & brake. I shouldn't have to have a huge ass wheel accessory in my living room just to have adequate driving controls.

[Laughing_Penguin]

*gasp* No...

If I wanted a batarang I'd buy Wayne manor and put on a spandex leotard.


Clearly you have never held one of these:

http://www.vidgames.com/ps/hardware/alpspad.jpg

The Alps Interactive Gamepad. It is, without a doubt, the most comfortable controller I have ever had in my hands, for any system, ever. So comfortable I still brought it out long after dual shock/rumble features were made standard. I have even used it in my PS2, years after it was out of production. Sure, it was a bit large, but the ergonomics were PERFECT.

I managed a video game store for a number of years, and I sold many of these. I kept one open for demonstration purposes, and usually all it took to sell one was to place it in a customer's hands. Since then, for every system I've bought (which is pretty much all of them) I have searched through endless 3rd party controllers hoping to find one that is even half as good as the batarang was.

In all honesty, given the large amount of nothing that I know about the PS3, I'd have to say that if that controller is even half of what the Alps controller was, it will be a major incentive for me to buy one... I pray Sony doesn't bow to the reactionary bitching surrounding that early prototype.

[boratika]

You cruel bastard, I've been vegetarian for over 20 years! How can you hate me without even knowing me? :rolleyes:

Being vegetarian is something that is made very difficult. First you have to avoid anything with gelatine, which is most sweet things, including most icecreams and any fat reduced yoghurts, then emulsifiers that aren't specified as soy based tend to be animalal based, renet then rules out most cheeses. Then beer and wine are made with fish. Then to top it off some computer pieces are made with pig by-products.

I guess all we can do is try.

[moron]

Nintendo haven't been in a position to abuse a monopoly for a long time. I figure they got theirs ages ago between Sega and Sony owning the console market. Sony and Microsoft however are very much current concerns and definitely on a much larger scale.

For example, Microsoft just threatened South Korea recently over anti-trust issues there:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051028/tc_nm/microsoft_korea_dc

The upshot being that if they pull out, all those documents stored in proprietary MS formats and related applications are basically lost (can't open propietary formats if you don't have the apps that created them in most cases). It's a similar issue with the fight going on over ODF in the States right now. Microsoft is essentially funding astroturf groups, paying lobbyists and doing the political donation thing in an attempt to kill the open document format in Massachusetts. They want to kill ODF because it means they cannot control the file format (thus they won't be able to wield ye olde vendor lockin strategies) where as Massachusetts wants the open format so that all government documents are not locked into non-portable, proprietary formats (which is why MS can get away with threatening the entire *country* of Korea).

Cheers

[EternalGamer]

Laughing Penquin, I have actually used that controller (I had a friend that owned one), and while I did not find it terrible, I greatly preferred the original Sony controller to it, but this maybe because I have small hands. However the real problem with that design is when you start thinking about putting analogue sticks on it, just about where those start and select buttons are on your pic, there. Now imagine bending your thumbs in the necessary position to REST them on those. My hand cramps just thinking about it.

Dan

[if76]

Laughing Penquin, I have actually used that controller (I had a friend that owned one), and while I did not find it terrible, I greatly preferred the original Sony controller to it, but this maybe because I have small hands. However the real problem with that design is when you start thinking about putting analogue sticks on it, just about where those start and select buttons are on your pic, there. Now imagine bending your thumbs in the necessary position to REST them on those. My hand cramps just thinking about it.

Dan

Who said that the analog sticks have to be in the middle? Just because ps2 controllers have it that way doesn't mean sony's stuck that way forever. The sticks were put there originally because at the time the dpad was the prominent mode of interaction. Since the Dreamcast, all new systems have put the analog sticks farther from the center.

[Citizen Philip]

I find my neutral interface plugs to far surpass these "digit clubs" you use to play *your* games.

[EternalGamer]

Well in Sony's released pics, the analogue sticks ARE in the middle.

As for Last of the Red Hot Momma's comment about just holding it further down on the handle bars, that would mean not being able to read the shoulder buttons comfortably for someone like me with small hands.

I agree that none of us can pass final judgement until we use it, but that has to be the most uncomfortable looking mock up, I've seen.

[Last of the Red Hot Mamas]

Sorry about deleting my comment, for some reason this Safari browser renders everything I type as garbage text so just typing a post is a rather hit-or-miss prospect.

The point about the shoulder buttons is well-taken -- I suspect that will probably be one of the "minor changes" referred to, since their current position is pretty ludicrous even if you do have big hands.

[EternalGamer]

I find my neutral interface plugs to far surpass these "digit clubs" you use to play *your* games.


I think your neural interface must have been in neutral when you made that post of using neutral instead of neural.

Dan

[Fuzzy]

I'm in the minority of people who loved the original big beefy xbox controllers. Fits my hands perfectly. I still haven't felt the new xbox 360 controllers yet.....

[EternalGamer]

I was a convert from the original Xbox controllers to the S-controllers. I bought an S-controller when it was released but continued to use the original simply because I was more used to it. The placement of the Black and White buttons on the S-controller would trip me up everytime I tried to use it. It wasn't until my old Xbox broke and I had to buy a new one that came with the S that I finally got used to using one. Most of my friends, though, still prefer the original due to force of habit.

Dan

[Murtaug]

I bought an Xbox late in the game, so I really never used the original controller. But that thing is just huge, and for me was one thing that kept me from getting an Xbox for so long. The little I did use it made my hands ache, and now whenever I pick one up at a friends house or what have you, I can not stand it.

I always thought nothing would beat the Playstation Dual Shock, I loved that controller, but the S-Controller just beats it to no end now. I use my Xbox a lot more then my Playstation 2, and when I do use the Playstation 2, it takes forever for me to get used to the controller again. It is light, and while the S-Controller is certainly not heavy, it feels like I am holding something compared to the Dual Shock. The analog sticks feel great and I, personally, have never had a problem with button placement.

One thing that has me iffy about next-gen is the change to the controllers. Obviously Revolution is a step above and beyond the normal change. The Playstation 3 controller looked pretty much the same as the Dual Shock, just a bit of a design change.. the longer 'wings' actually look like they would make it a lot more comfortable to hold. The 360 controller looks decent as well.

[Dirty Harry]

I think the ps3 controller will be like silk in my hands.

[iamhurtin]

um all u ppl who like the xbox controller are retards!!!!
when i paly my games i want to be able to play them properly
the white and black instead of l2 and r2 are just stupid
infact because it was so hard to paly nrl on the xbox the first time around
they have just decided not to rls it at all
because u couldnt turbo and side step
u have to make a choice same as in fifa always have to sacrafice something
the dual shock is the best pad ever since the first snes controller

[Nessus]

The placement of the Black and White buttons on the S-controller would trip me up everytime I tried to use it.

The exact same thing happened to me. I prefer the shape of the s-controller, but I prefer the placement of the black and clear buttons on the standard controller.

Also, I hate the PS2 controller because of it's L and R buttons. Both MS and Nintendo realized triggers are better (though I'd still argue for an even more trigger-like placement). The DualShock is an SNES controller with analog sticks shoehorned on and a second set of L and R buttons placed in a really awkward position.

I think as far as standard controller designs go the 360's looks really good. Haven't had a chance to try it out yet.

[The Iron Weasel]

um all u ppl who like the xbox controller are retards!!!!
when i paly my games i want to be able to play them properly
the white and black instead of l2 and r2 are just stupid
infact because it was so hard to paly nrl on the xbox the first time around
they have just decided not to rls it at all
because u couldnt turbo and side step
u have to make a choice same as in fifa always have to sacrafice something
the dual shock is the best pad ever since the first snes controller

I'm sorry, your going to have to speak louder and more clearly, I can't undertand you mumbling.

[Savok]

um all u ppl who like the xbox controller are retards!!!!
when i paly my games i want to be able to play them properly
the white and black instead of l2 and r2 are just stupid
infact because it was so hard to paly nrl on the xbox the first time around
they have just decided not to rls it at all
because u couldnt turbo and side step
u have to make a choice same as in fifa always have to sacrafice something
the dual shock is the best pad ever since the first snes controller
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's your brain that's hurting.

[RandomViolence]

um all u ppl who like the xbox controller are retards!!!!
when i paly my games i want to be able to play them properly
the white and black instead of l2 and r2 are just stupid
infact because it was so hard to paly nrl on the xbox the first time around
they have just decided not to rls it at all
because u couldnt turbo and side step
u have to make a choice same as in fifa always have to sacrafice something
the dual shock is the best pad ever since the first snes controller

Translation: I am stupid, please ignore me.

[Paranoia]

um all u ppl who like the xbox controller are retards!!!!
when i paly my games i want to be able to play them properly
the white and black instead of l2 and r2 are just stupid
infact because it was so hard to paly nrl on the xbox the first time around
they have just decided not to rls it at all
because u couldnt turbo and side step
u have to make a choice same as in fifa always have to sacrafice something
the dual shock is the best pad ever since the first snes controller

Retard trying to make a point = priceless!

[Achilles]

I’m not a huge fan of the PS2 controller, but I still say people should hold the PS3’s boomerang before they pass judgment on it. Anything that ugly has to be very ergonomic, and I’d rather have a good feeling controller than one that looks good any day.

The PS2’s controller could suffer an ergonomic upgrade so I’m keeping my hopes up that that’s what the PS3’s is.

[earthworm48]

If its not been said the 360 controller has moved the w + b buttons to the top, and it looks generally thinner and apparently is not as heavy as the Xbox controller. You can see some guys holding it and stuff at that 1 Up feature of the 360 hardware.

[Murmillo]

um all u ppl who like the xbox controller are retards!!!!
when i paly my games i want to be able to play them properly
the white and black instead of l2 and r2 are just stupid
infact because it was so hard to paly nrl on the xbox the first time around
they have just decided not to rls it at all
because u couldnt turbo and side step
u have to make a choice same as in fifa always have to sacrafice something
the dual shock is the best pad ever since the first snes controller
This is the type of post that I can understand but only if its in all CAPS. Saddly it is not and that means I just can't make sense of it. Maybe you can repost this but in all CAPS? That would be just great! Thank you.

[Murmillo]

The Xbox360 controller does not fit my hands, when I moved for the start button at the kiosks my thumb moved the right analog stick alot.
Same here, I am not thrilled about the change of placement for the Start and Back button. They placed them to far away from my thumbs now. I liked them nessled back in their old holes underneath my thumb should I need them. Now I have to stretch and contort my thumbs to reach them, with out hitting any of the other buttons or sticks.. *sigh*.
I DO love the new area for the black and white buttons.. the "bumpers" above the triggers.

[lost]

Many nights have been spent argueing which controller is best.

Personally, Dual Shock 2. It works best for most things. Put it this way, try to do a drive-by in GTA using the Controller S. Nightmare! I can't stand the buttons on the S either, I have to push so hard!

The pictures that came out of E3 etc of the PS3 had "Concept Model" signs next to the controller. I'll admit I don't like the look of it but Sony isn't going to hand the design of a key product over to a monkey. I'm sure it will feel lovely, warm and lovely. It may distribute cuddles periodically to help you get over the new Resident Evil. Running zombies!? CUDDLES!!!

[reptilezero]

i've got the pc version of the xbox 360 controller and i love it. awesome pad.

[novicius]

Personally, Dual Shock 2. It works best for most things. Put it this way, try to do a drive-by in GTA using the Controller S. Nightmare! I can't stand the buttons on the S either, I have to push so hard! That's not a fault of the controller, that's the fault of the inbred and therefore retarded developers (they might also be hermaphroditic, I don't know on that one) that did not allow remapping of the buttons in GTA... :mad:

[Citizen Philip]

I think your neural interface must have been in neutral when you made that post of using neutral instead of neural.

Dan

I am pwned,

[Vandenh]

>I guess I am now a Nintendo fanboy by default. Kind of funny as I loathe the Gamecube.

Well said moron.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

I'd compare that to vegans and vegetarianism. Sony-vegan gamers would avoid lesbian porn with Sony products, despite the harm that it does their bodies by ignoring such a wonderful thing. Sony-vegetarians would still enjoy the fruits (ha!), though.

I'm a vegetarian, and I most certainly do not enjoy lesbian porn in any form, interactive or not. Never accuse me of such things!!! :mad:

Boycotts and petitions have just never made sense to me. They don't work, likely never will, and really are an inconvenience only to the people involved in them.

Uh oh, better get Miss Cleo in contact with Rosa Parks and MLK, Jr. and let them know that boycotts certainly DO NOT WORK. :rolleyes:

Being vegetarian is something that is made very difficult. First you have to avoid anything with gelatine, which is most sweet things, including most icecreams and any fat reduced yoghurts, then emulsifiers that aren't specified as soy based tend to be animalal based, renet then rules out most cheeses. Then beer and wine are made with fish. Then to top it off some computer pieces are made with pig by-products.

I guess all we can do is try.

No joke. Jello pudding has animal products in it. PUDDING!

Something that recently got on my nerves is the fact that Campbell's "vegetable" soups have chicken fat and/or chicken broth in them. So much for being vegetable soup! Even their Minestrone - which is always considered a vegetable soup!! Would they put chicken fat in borscht as well?

Earth to Campbells: If I wanted chicken broth or fat in my soups I'd buy your damn chicken noodle or something!

One more mini rant before I let this go - what's with putting high fructose corn syrup in everything these days? That stuff is extrememly unhealthy, and it is now almost inescapable. I just noticed recently that it comes in every mainstream brand of apple sauce, so now I'm going to have to buy that strictly from health stores. It even comes in bottled tea. Why does tea need corn syrup in it??

Eating healthy is starting to get easier than it was 5 years ago, but damn it if the big food companies don't try their best to make everyone even more obese than they already are.

[saran_js]

Just a thought but have any of you guys/gals ever thought that maybe, just maybe that there is something wrong with your hands and nothing to do with the controller or how confortable it feels. Just a thought.... ;P

[Danin]

I've been playing around with the 360 demo at my store a lot and it really is the best standard controller I've ever used. The Start/Back buttons could stand to sit a little lower, but other than that it's basically the Dual Shock without the stupid design decisions, which is a winner in my book.

[Stormwatcher]

I really like the Dual Shock and the GCN's controller too.
Both could be better, but are not bad at all.

And the shoulder triggers first appeared in the DreamCast and that horrid thing it had for controller. BTW, the Xbox controller is a direct descendant of the DC, but not bad.

[endrom]

The controller looks like a boomarang =/
But hey if it fits in my giant hands im happy, I still have my DUKE 1st generation xbox controller becuase my hands are big and it fits perfectly.

[Vileblitz]

I'm a vegetarian, and I most certainly do not enjoy lesbian porn in any form, interactive or not. Never accuse me of such things!!! :mad:



Uh oh, better get Miss Cleo in contact with Rosa Parks and MLK, Jr. and let them know that boycotts certainly DO NOT WORK. :rolleyes:



No joke. Jello pudding has animal products in it. PUDDING!

Something that recently got on my nerves is the fact that Campbell's "vegetable" soups have chicken fat and/or chicken broth in them. So much for being vegetable soup! Even their Minestrone - which is always considered a vegetable soup!! Would they put chicken fat in borscht as well?

Earth to Campbells: If I wanted chicken broth or fat in my soups I'd buy your damn chicken noodle or something!

One more mini rant before I let this go - what's with putting high fructose corn syrup in everything these days? That stuff is extrememly unhealthy, and it is now almost inescapable. I just noticed recently that it comes in every mainstream brand of apple sauce, so now I'm going to have to buy that strictly from health stores. It even comes in bottled tea. Why does tea need corn syrup in it??

Eating healthy is starting to get easier than it was 5 years ago, but damn it if the big food companies don't try their best to make everyone even more obese than they already are.

My balls in Campbells soup. Thats tender viddles.

[Player 1]

Two new systems.
Two new controllers.
Nobody here has played on any of them.
Nobody here has even held them.

Yet the decision has been made by gamers that one is nothing but good whilst the other is nothing but bad.

Upon which facts were these decisions made?

[Murmillo]

Two new systems.
Two new controllers.
Nobody here has played on any of them.
Nobody here has even held them.

Yet the decision has been made by gamers that one is nothing but good whilst the other is nothing but bad.

Upon which facts were these decisions made?
Previous Experience

Not 100% previous experience, but most people have seen and maybe held a weird looking controller at a store before. If you've been a gamer as long as I have you've seen a lot of crap. A lot of this stuff has already been tried and rejected. Just because Sony is puttin a new spin on at large curve design doesn't mean its magicly be accepted as a "friendly" controller.

Nintendos controller almost reminds everybody of well, a basic god down to earth basic Nintendo controller. Its been done, its been use and loved for many years. Ninendo is taking an old basic useable design and making it better.

Hence, previous experience.

[RandomViolence]

Two new systems.
Two new controllers.
Nobody here has played on any of them.
Nobody here has even held them.

Yet the decision has been made by gamers that one is nothing but good whilst the other is nothing but bad.

Upon which facts were these decisions made?

You're a whiny little bastard, aintcha? There are a few people here that have tried a 360 at a kiosk or, like bap, gone to events where they used them unrestrained. Like the above poster, we've all held controllers at one point or another, and have a fair base to judge what we'd like or don't like.

Personally, I'm sorry but I'm skeptical about a double-ended dildo with buttons on it. I'll make sure not to praise the one that I have actually gotten to try and liked.

[Player 1]

You're a whiny little bastard, aintcha?

Hey, I call it "....with attitude" :rolleyes:

[The Iron Weasel]

Hey, I call it "....with attitude" :rolleyes:

Don't you dare bring the EvAv mantra into this!

[Player 1]

Don't you dare bring the EvAv mantra into this!

<heads to usercp>

<tappity tap>

<click>

Why, Mr. Weasel, I wouldn't dream of it. :p

[RandomViolence]

<heads to usercp>

<tappity tap>

<click>

Why, Mr. Weasel, I wouldn't dream of it. :p

Haha, talk about feeding the troll. ;)

/sarcasm

By the way, I still don't understand the image in your sig... what is that implying, really?

[lost]

I've played on at least 3 consoles in my time! That gives me the right to bitch about any new ones.

Down with creativity!