XBox Live Market Place Unveiled

[bapenguin]

Microsoft has unveiled the details of the XBox Live Marketplace as well as revealed what things will be available for download for certain titles and the cost of that involved. From the looks of it, most games will have trailers available to download for free, Gamer Pictures for about $0.25, and Dashboard themes for a little under $2.

Also listed are game prices for XBox Live Arcade...remember its about 80 points per dollar.

* Bankshot Billiards 2™ (1200 points) – pixelStorm, Inc.
* Bejeweled 2 (800 points) – Popcap Games
* Gauntlet (400 points) – Midway Home Entertainment
* Geometry Wars Retro Evolved (400 points) – Bizzare Creations
* Hardwood Backgammon (400 points) – Silver Creek Entertainment
* Hardwood Hearts (400 points) – Silver Creek Entertainment
* Hardwood Spades (400 points) – Silver Creek Entertainment
* Hexic® HD (full version included free with Xbox 360 System) – Microsoft Game Studios
* Joust (400 points) – Midway Home Entertainment
* Mutant Storm Reloaded (800 points) – PomPom Games
* Outpost Kaloki (800 points) – Wahoo Studios
* Robotron 2084 (400 points) – Midway Home Entertainment
* Smash TV (400 points) – Midway Home Entertainment
* Wik: Fable of Souls (800 points) – Reflexive Entertainment
* Zuma (800 points) – Popcap Games
Full Press Release inside with details.

Not bad....the dashboard themes seem a little over priced....though the quality of the ones I've seen are pretty top notch. The prices on Live Arcade seem just right to me. Geometry Wars Retro Evolved is a STEAL at 5 bucks.

[bapenguin]

November 15, 2005

Microsoft Unveils Xbox Live Marketplace Content Available at Launch of Xbox 360

Exciting day one line-up provides gamers with more than 400 pieces of exclusive content on November 22

In anticipation of the next generation console launch, Microsoft today announced that more than 400 pieces of downloadable Xbox Live Marketplace content—including free interactive demos for games like; “FIFA Soccer 06 Road to the 2006 FIFA World Cup” (Electronic Arts), “Kameo: Elements of Power” (Microsoft Game Studios), “Peter Jackson’s King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie” (Ubisoft), “NBA LIVE 06” (Electronic Arts), and “Need for Speed Most Wanted” (Electronic Arts) as well as new music videos from Franz Ferdinand and Audioslave courtesy of Epic Records—will be available to Xbox 360 fans starting November 22nd. Freely accessible to anyone with a broadband connection, Xbox Live Marketplace is a digital download center providing free and premium content for games, as well as entertainment content such as movie trailers and music videos.



Premium Xbox Live Marketplace content will be available for purchase with Microsoft Points™. Microsoft Points is a new stored-value system that will let consumers purchase a number of points, and then redeem those points for content online, ranging from gamer pictures and themes to full game downloads on Xbox Live Arcade. Microsoft Points will be available for purchase at participating retail stores and via the Xbox Live Dashboard. In North America, consumers can purchase a card worth 1600 Points for an MSRP of $19.99. Offers in the dashboard will range from 500 points and up.



On November 22nd, Xbox 360 users who connect their console to a broadband connection and create an Xbox Live membership, either the paid Gold membership or free Silver membership, can look forward to content such as:



Amped 3 (2K Sports)

- Game Trailer (free)

- 10 Gamer Pictures (20 points each)

- 1 Theme (150 points)



Call of Duty® 2 (Activision Inc.)

- Game Trailer (free)

- 7 Gamer Pictures (20 points each)

- 2 Gamer Picture Bundles (40 – 80 points each)

- 1 Theme (150 points)



Condemned: Criminal Origins (SEGA Corp)

- Game Trailer (free)

- 10 Gamer Pictures (20 points each)

- 1 Theme (150 points)



FIFA Soccer 06 Road to 2006 FIFA World Cup (Electronic Arts Inc.)

- Game Trailer (free)

- EA Sports Trailer (free)

- Game Demo (free)

- FIFA Team Logo Gamer Pictures (60 points each)

- FIFA Team Logo Themes (150 points each)



GUN™ (Activision)

- Game Trailer (free)

- 5 Gamer Pictures (20 points each)

- 1 Gamer Picture Bundle (80 points)

- 1 Theme (150 points)



Kameo: Elements of Power (Microsoft Game Studios and Rare Ltd.)

- Winter Warrior Pack (200 points)

- Game Trailer (free)

- Game Demo (free)

- 4 Gamer Pictures (20 points each)

- 2 Gamer Picture 5-pack Bundles (80 points each)

- 7 Themes (150 points each)



Madden NFL 06 (Electronic Arts)

- Game Trailer (free)

- EA Sports Trailer (free)

- NFL Logo Gamer Pictures (60 points each)

- Collection of All NFL Logo Gamer Pictures (500 points)

- NFL Logo Themes (150 points each)



NBA 2K6 (2K Sports)

- Game Trailer (free)



NBA LIVE 06 (Electronic Arts)

- EA Sports Trailer (free)

- Game Demo (free)



Need for Speed Most Wanted (Electronic Arts)

- Game Trailer (free)

- Game Demo (free)



NHL 2K6 (2K Sports)

- Game Trailer (free)



Perfect Dark Zero (Microsoft Game Studios and Rare Ltd)

- Game Trailer (free)



Peter Jackson’s King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie (Ubisoft)

- Game Demo (free)

- Game Trailer (free)



Project Gotham Racing 3 (Microsoft Game Studios and Bizarre Creations Ltd.)

- Game Trailer (free)



Quake 4™ (Activision, id Software Inc. and Raven Software Corp.)

- Game Trailer (free)

- 7 Gamer Pictures (20 points each)

- 1 Theme (150 points)



Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 06 (Electronic Arts)

- EA Sports Trailer (free)



Tony Hawk’s American Wasteland (Activision)

- Game Trailer (free)

- 10 Gamer Pictures (20 points)

- 1 Gamer Picture Bundle (80 points)

- 1 Theme (150 points)



Plus:

- High Definition Music Video "Show Me How to Live" from Audioslave's Live in Cuba DVD

- Music Video "Do You Want To" from Franz Ferdinand's new album, You Could Have It So Much Better

- “Aeon Flux” HD movie trailer from Paramount

- “Pulse” HD movie trailer from Magnolia Pictures

- Penny Arcade Gamer Pictures and Themes

- Red vs. Blue Videos

- High Definition Movie Trailers and Music Videos

- Game Trailers for upcoming games

- …and much more!



The exclusive launch content also includes the next-generation Xbox Live Arcade online service, which is fully integrated into the Xbox 360 Dashboard providing a central destination for Xbox 360 gamers to download new games, access their game collections, check out new releases and experience around-the-game features. Xbox Live Arcade games will be available for 400, 800 or 1200 Points, with a majority of titles priced at 800 points or less.



Xbox Live Arcade for Xbox 360 games that will be available on November 22nd include:



* Bankshot Billiards 2™ (1200 points) – pixelStorm, Inc.
* Bejeweled 2 (800 points) – Popcap Games
* Gauntlet (400 points) – Midway Home Entertainment
* Geometry Wars Retro Evolved (400 points) – Bizzare Creations
* Hardwood Backgammon (400 points) – Silver Creek Entertainment
* Hardwood Hearts (400 points) – Silver Creek Entertainment
* Hardwood Spades (400 points) – Silver Creek Entertainment
* Hexic® HD (full version included free with Xbox 360 System) – Microsoft Game Studios
* Joust (400 points) – Midway Home Entertainment
* Mutant Storm Reloaded (800 points) – PomPom Games
* Outpost Kaloki (800 points) – Wahoo Studios
* Robotron 2084 (400 points) – Midway Home Entertainment
* Smash TV (400 points) – Midway Home Entertainment
* Wik: Fable of Souls (800 points) – Reflexive Entertainment
* Zuma (800 points) – Popcap Games





In addition, each Xbox Live Arcade game on Xbox 360 offers a fully playable trial version, , enabling gamers to experience their favorite arcade games in high-definition before deciding to purchase.



“We’re incredibly excited about providing gamers with that they want – inexpensive and entertaining digital content delivered right to their Xbox 360,” said Peter Moore, Corporate Vice President of Worldwide Marketing and Publishing for Xbox at Microsoft. “Xbox Live Marketplace puts the buying power directly into the consumer’s hands, allowing each person to choose digital content they want, when they want it.”



About Xbox Live

Xbox Live continues to transform and unite Xbox game communities worldwide, with a presence in 24 countries worldwide, and a global community of more than 2 million members. As the first and only global, unified online console games service, Xbox Live offers world class games, intelligent matchmaking, tournaments, unique programming and integration with Xbox.com.

[bapenguin]

I wonder if EA had to price their gamer pictures higher because of licensing with the NFL/NBA?

[StoneGut]

It's really cool that you can download and play demo's with the new X-Box live features.

Wondering how this is going to affect the Magazine aspect of promotions?

[Syrinx]

Good to see the Joust / Robotron remakes coming in at $5. With the previous arcade prices I was worried they would be $10-$15.

[DigitalFirefly]

Sweet. Free trailers for games and movies = awesome. Free game demos = really awesome.

[Oblivion]

wow, the new live is surely an awesome thing. I wonder how this will shape console habbits?

[Dr.Finger]

Being able to download demos for free will kill (the hypothetical) Official Xbox 360 magazine, and thats a good thing.

[bone_matrix]

I must say that I'm really impressed with the marketplace, especially the PA skins and RvB videos (don't have the DVDs). Free game demos kick ass, and a couple free music videos? Awesome. The prices of some of the games (like Joust) suprises me, I was expecting 10 bucks. All in all, Nov. 22nd can't come soon enough!

[Captain Awesome]

wow, and Smash TV :D

[Vandenh]

Cool... but I am not very impressed that they ask money for themes and pictures. Is there also a way to "earn" points or can you only buy them with hard cash?

I am certainly going got buy some classic games the first few weeks.

[DigitalFirefly]

Yeah have they announced ways to create content and sell them for points yet?

[RandomViolence]

Wow, I wasn't expecting demo availability so early. The selection and pricing is pretty damn fair, too, imho. The details are falling into place for this to be a pretty fucking splendid launch, now it depends on the quality of the full-price games (Kameo's doing pretty fair in reviews) and how quickly Microsoft can get these buggers out to the people that want them.

[total]

Oh Smash TV you dirty bastard. I could probably buy a Bentley with the money I shoved into that machine. Now if Cadillacs and Dinosaurs was up there I'd really be in for it.

[diggable]

so, how can I transfer my current Xbox live account over for Gold?

I usually renew every year with my old Xbox Live.

$5 games are sweet!

[SuperMonkeyFighter2]

There's a free Kameo demo up as well

[bapenguin]

Wow, I wasn't expecting demo availability so early. The selection and pricing is pretty damn fair, too, imho.

What's cool too is all the XBox Live Arcade titles have Demo Versions you can play. So if these classic titles aren't up to the polish that Joust got you don't have to spring a 5 spot.

[Wonka]

Online Joust a mere $5. Awesome. Don't tell anyone but I would have paid a lot more because of the online part. Joust is one of my favorite games ever.

EVER.

[Morratut]

Well this is fricken awesome.

I'm gonna buy Gauntlet, Smash TV and Joust on day 1 :D

I love all this integrated Xbox live stuff. It's great.

Jump in ;)

[RandomViolence]

What's cool too is all the XBox Live Arcade titles have Demo Versions you can play. So if these classic titles aren't up to the polish that Joust got you don't have to spring a 5 spot.

Yeah, they had that for this generation of Live Arcade, too. It's brilliant, but I haven't bought any of the games on Arcade because when I wanted a fix, the demo was just enough for the 5 or 10 minutes I was looking for. That, and they're twenty fucking dollars. I'd rather have Psi-Ops, or something, christ. Joust or Geometry Wars for 5 bucks, though? I'm all in.

[ColdForged]

<ObSonyQuery>

I'm really curious how Sony can seemingly ignore this level of functionality in favor of a "we'll let the developers handle it" strategy. This is feature-rich and gamer-friendly.

</ObSonyQuery>

I'm a bit disappointed that gamer pictures cost cash. I'm somewhat hopeful that perhaps you'll be able to unlock, say, one game-specific picture if you actually own the game. Yes, I know it's only 25 cents, but it's still 25 friggin' cents whether they call it "20 Xbox Live Marketplace points" or "chibumbas." The themes seem a bit expensive to me as well. Other than that the pricepoints of the Live Arcade games seems quite nice. I can see me picking up several for casual gaming or even trying to convice the wife that gaming is fun. I had her hooked on Bejeweled on my Palm a couple years ago, I can see Bejeweled 2 or Zuma roping her in, especially with the wireless controller and an HDTV.

[Inverarity]

I'd like to see how the demo downloads are implemented. If current PC game demos are anything to go by, then the packages could be as large as 512MB-1GB. Sure, there's ample hard drive space for that, but I'm curious to see if there's some sort of automated management for big downloaded files like that - only a couple of demos at a time, maybe, or a mechanism to toss the oldest/least-used downloads.

Between the launch list, the backwards-compatibility list (with unexpected HD enhancements), and today's Marketplace announcement, I'm really starting to get excited about the 360's launch. I have a preorder that should arrive on day one, but as recently as a week ago I was feeling a little ambivalent about the system. Now I'm thinking about how much time I might be able to take off from work...

[Atorak]

Does anyone know if any of the Live Arcade titles are cooperative? Now THAT would be sweet.

Heh, my buddies and I used to grab a 30 pack, a few pizzas, and pre-game playing Halo 2. But the way some of these cool new Live Arcade games are shaping up, now we might have some more effective venues for trash-talking. :)

[Roc Ingersol]

The XBL marketplace is the thing that has me most excited about the 360.

demos, trailers, indy games - macropayments cleverly disguised as micropayments...and demo versions for all the Arcade titles?
fantastic.
fan goddamm tastic.

[Atorak]

so, how can I transfer my current Xbox live account over for Gold?

I usually renew every year with my old Xbox Live.

My current Live membership was going to expire the end of last month, so I called Microsoft to cancel it, but the guy on the phone told me it was transferable to the new XBox Live Premium service.

So basically, as long as you know your gamer tag, I believe you should be good to go on launch day.

[Morratut]

<ObSonyQuery>

I'm really curious how Sony can seemingly ignore this level of functionality in favor of a "we'll let the developers handle it" strategy. This is feature-rich and gamer-friendly.



I know. I find it strange how Sony won't compete with this. It would be great if Sony did this also :rolleyes:

[novicius]

Does anyone know if any of the Live Arcade titles are cooperative? Now THAT would be sweet.
I thought a little bird told me that Joust has an online co-op mode.

('Little bird', get it? Ha.)

[jacktion]

Even nintendo is ahead of sony in the online world. You know you're in trouble when...

[mkelehan]

The new Live Arcade is exactly what I wanted. The first one was largely a failure, and I said, "If they would halve the prices and include the ability to download with every system, it'd be a runaway success." And that's exactly what they did.

[Heretic Machine]

Definetly going to pick up the Penny Arcade theme with the 150 points that come with a gold account. Gonna give Wik and Geometry Wars (and probably most of the other games) a try since they have free demos available, and if they turn out well I'm sure I'll pick up at least one if not both of them.

If this is the standard for the Live Marketplace, then I'll just say I was wrong about it the whole time. I'll still reserve my judgement to see what kind of game content starts popping up there.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

What on Earth are Gaming Pictures or whatever anyway? Screenshots? If so I can't imagine why anyone would pay anything for screenshots, but I can't imagine that is all they are. Can anyone clear this up?

(I don't want to read that whole press release) :p

[Heretic Machine]

I'm a bit disappointed that gamer pictures cost cash. I'm somewhat hopeful that perhaps you'll be able to unlock, say, one game-specific picture if you actually own the game.

I'm fairly certain that avatars ARE unlockable with games. But they probably aren;t the same ones you can buy.

I'm a bit disappointed that gamer pictures cost cash. I'm somewhat hopeful that perhaps you'll be able to unlock, say, one game-specific picture if you actually own the game.

They are basically avatars. Little pictures for your Gamertag and things like that.

[Atorak]

Plus, if Microsoft is going to make you pay for Avatars through the Marketplace, I don't see the ability to upload your own picture coming anytime soon.

Actually, their point system is a damn fine way of making money. I mean, who is going to sit there with a calculator to compute how many points each thing really costs on the Marketplace. 150 points? Eh, I'll get it. 80 points? Sure...let's go nuts.

But if it was actual currency? $2.50? Hmm...I dunno. $6.75? Aww, nuts.

The prices seem fair though, Tuesday can't come fast enough. I loved watching that demo of Geometry Wars on 1up.com, i'll definitely pick that one up!

[Captain Awesome]

;)


That looks like a goddamn Joust wink to me, bring it bitch!

[DropD98]

If I remember right, the gamer pictures were supposed to be uploadable, so you wouldn't necessarily have to purchase one. Especially since you can connect your camera to view pictures, and the fact that there will be the webcam that you would be able to capture pictures with as well. Guess I will go "google" it...

[bapenguin]

I loved watching that demo of Geometry Wars on 1up.com, i'll definitely pick that one up!

I'm gonna own all you fools on the high score list in that.

[RandomViolence]

The prices seem fair though, Tuesday can't come fast enough. I loved watching that demo of Geometry Wars on 1up.com, i'll definitely pick that one up!

God, that video was pretty. Gameplay didn't look changed much, though, which is too bad, but I spent half the time I played in PGR2 on Geometry Wars. I'll pay 5 bucks to see what evolutionary changes there are.

Anyway, that clip really showed off the potential for Live Arcade games. They can take simpler gameplay and match that with wonderful visual potential. Open access to every console owner at 5 bucks a pop, and wow. Live Arcade sounded amazing when they first mentioned it, but the initial implementation wasn't great. I'll agree with whoever said it above, halving the price and there for everybody means that it's really going to be a close substitute for the old arcades.

Color me tickled.

[Achilles]

Actually, their point system is a damn fine way of making money. I mean, who is going to sit there with a calculator to compute how many points each thing really costs on the Marketplace. 150 points? Eh, I'll get it. 80 points? Sure...let's go nuts.

But if it was actual currency? $2.50? Hmm...I dunno. $6.75? Aww, nuts.The reason they probably went with points deals with international banking laws. If they start keeping real currency numbers than they have to register as a bank in every country where they're available and follow a ridiculous number of international currency laws. With points they can get around that. Basically if they kept currency instead of points they never would have been able to do this.

[MosBen]

Uh, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't every game supposed to have Gamer Points that you earn by completing various objectives in the game, say, completing it or something? Are these not the same points? I was under the impression that every game was required to have X number of points that you could earn by completing objectives and you could take those point into the marketplace and spend them.

[MosBen]

Here:

Then Henson showed off the Xbox Dashboard, accessible at all times when you're using the system. This looked similar to what was shown at E3, although slightly more polished. The interface had a few pages, or "blades," to scroll through: Xbox Live, Games, Media, etc. From the Xbox Live page you could see your Gamertag, complete with picture, as well as your ranking (every Xbox 360 game will have a possibility to earn 1000 points through gameplay), your friends list, and any messages you have. A button linking to the store is also available so that you can purchase extra downloads.

http://xbox.gamespy.com/articles/642/642835p2.html

Assuming this is still accurate info you won't have to buy lots of points if you buy games.

[bapenguin]

Uh, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't every game supposed to have Gamer Points that you earn by completing various objectives in the game, say, completing it or something? Are these not the same points? I was under the impression that every game was required to have X number of points that you could earn by completing objectives and you could take those point into the marketplace and spend them.

Ah...no Gamerscore and points are different.

That's a good point though, this could be confusing for some people. Maybe they should have called the points tokens or something else.

[Atorak]

The reason they probably went with points deals with international banking laws. If they start keeping real currency numbers than they have to register as a bank in every country where they're available and follow a ridiculous number of international currency laws. With points they can get around that. Basically if they kept currency instead of points they never would have been able to do this.

If you actually know what you're talking about Achilles, I'll say OK!

[EternalGamer]

While some of this stuff is cool, I have to say I'm a bit bummed because I think that gamers without broadband (like me) are getting the short end of the stick, especially with extras. For example, if this didn't exist, I am pretty sure that Project Gotham 360 would come with Geometry Wars packaged in for free, just like on the original Xbox. As it is, not only do you have to pay for it, if you don't have Broadband, you can't even get it. There was also a news story a few weeks back that Joust and Geometry Wars could come packaged on every Harddrive. Apparently that's not true now either, because you have to BUY both.

What is cool about this is that it provides another medium for developers to get there software to console consumers and, as a result, it could spur some tremendously interesting projects as well as independent development.

Dan

[Achilles]

If you actually know what you're talking about Achilles, I'll say OK!I was actually looking at opening an on-line business that dealt with storing currency... kind of. So I did some looking into this. I'm not sure if that's the only reason MS is doing it but using points would solve a ton of marketplace problems in that area and they probably couldn't get it off the ground in time otherwise.

As a couple others have mentioned it seems to be a cool thing to offer points with the games that you buy, offering money instead might just seem strange. It also helps put all the prices on an even playing field, as-in you don't have to list the price in pounds, Canadian dollars, yen, ect. You can just have one number up there that everyone understands.

[Demo_Boy]

Geo Wars Evolved is hotness.

[51|RandoM]

<ObSonyQuery>

I'm really curious how Sony can seemingly ignore this level of functionality in favor of a "we'll let the developers handle it" strategy. This is feature-rich and gamer-friendly.

</ObSonyQuery>




That is an easy one. This stuff costs MONEY, and lots of it, not just development and startup, but ongoing. Microsoft needs an edge like this to catch Sony, and that is why they're ponying up the cash for it.

[nonchalance]

Applause.
I thought the whole concept was kinda fucked up, but this pricing model is very impressive.

The fact that themes cost what they do means that companies will be able to actually hire designers to do them, and you'll get significantly nicer stuff.

[SuperMonkeyFighter2]

I'd like to see how the demo downloads are implemented. If current PC game demos are anything to go by, then the packages could be as large as 512MB-1GB. Sure, there's ample hard drive space for that, but I'm curious to see if there's some sort of automated management for big downloaded files like that - only a couple of demos at a time, maybe, or a mechanism to toss the oldest/least-used downloads.

Between the launch list, the backwards-compatibility list (with unexpected HD enhancements), and today's Marketplace announcement, I'm really starting to get excited about the 360's launch. I have a preorder that should arrive on day one, but as recently as a week ago I was feeling a little ambivalent about the system. Now I'm thinking about how much time I might be able to take off from work...

Right now the Kameo demo is 500 MB. There is no "real" management system yet outside of you watching what you download.
To be honest, I've just been playing the full version of Smash TV now for the past few days. It's kind of cool that you can even stretch out the screen to fill the 16:9 as well

[KamaItachi]

Well this is fricken awesome.

I'm gonna buy Gauntlet, Smash TV and Joust on day 1 :D

I love all this integrated Xbox live stuff. It's great.

Jump in ;)


Oh God, me too. I'll probably do this before I even play a 360 game. ONLINE GAUNTLET.

RED ELF SHOT THE FOOOoooOOOOD!

[Achilles]

Right now the Kameo demo is 500 MB. There is no "real" management system yet outside of you watching what you download.
To be honest, I've just been playing the full version of Smash TV now for the past few days. It's kind of cool that you can even stretch out the screen to fill the 16:9 as wellCan you play Smash TV or a different classic arcade game while you’re downloading a demo or something? If you can, that would be pretty freaking awesome. It would be even better if you could play a disc based game while downloading.

[SuperMonkeyFighter2]

Can you play Smash TV or a different classic arcade game while you’re downloading a demo or something? If you can, that would be pretty freaking awesome. It would be even better if you could play a disc based game while downloading.

Ya know what? I haven't tried that! :) I will try some multitasking in the AM and let ya know

[Achilles]

Ya know what? I haven't tried that! :) I will try some multitasking in the AM and let ya knowThanks SuperMonkey :)

[mister_slim]

<ObSonyQuery>

I'm really curious how Sony can seemingly ignore this level of functionality in favor of a "we'll let the developers handle it" strategy. This is feature-rich and gamer-friendly.

</ObSonyQuery>

Maybe you should read up on what Sony is actually planning?

[SuperMonkeyFighter2]

OK, tried the multi tasking to no avail. Everytime a download is happening, you cannot back out of that screen sans cancelling the download. Oh well ...

[KamaItachi]

OK, tried the multi tasking to no avail. Everytime a download is happening, you cannot back out of that screen sans cancelling the download. Oh well ...


Shame, I had my fingers crossed for that since they had been talking about being able to access your gamecard and friends list while listening to music or watching dvds...

[Achilles]

OK, tried the multi tasking to no avail. Everytime a download is happening, you cannot back out of that screen sans cancelling the download. Oh well ...Yeah that's a bummer. Thanks for checking though!