Final Fantasy XIII and Dragon Warrior IX Not PS3 Exclusive?

[Borys]

Japanese news sites: Reuters (http://today.reuters.co.jp/) and Yahoo! Finance (http://quote.yahoo.co.jp/) are reporting that president of Square-Enix (http://www.square-enix.com/), Yochi Wada is thinking about putting Square's arguably two biggest next generation titles - Final Fantasy XIII and Dragon Warrior IX on both PLAYSTATION 3 and Xbox 360. If you know Japanese you can read about it here (http://charge.biz.yahoo.co.jp/vip/news/rtr/051115/051115_mbiz2651095.html) and here (http://today.reuters.co.jp/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=marketsNews&storyID=URI:urn:newsml:reuters.com:20051115:MTFH08 952_2005-11-15_08-59-26_NTK2651149:1).

Final Fantasy XIII and Dragon Quest IX perhaps for Xbox 360 and PS3.

15.11.05 - Yoichi Wada, president of Square Enix, said in an interview with Yahoo/Reuters there is the possibility to offer the games Final Fantasy XIII and Dragon Quest IX for both PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.

The last episodes of the games were bound always to only one hardware. Only the on-line RPG Final Fantasy XI was developed for several platforms (PC, PS2, Xbox 360).
Way to go Sony. You won't win the war by losing two of your best selling franchises.

[Taco]

I'm sure Sony's aware of that. If they lose exclusivity I kind of doubt they just yawned and let them go. They are not that dumb.

[Player 1]

Since when was 'losing' the same as 'sharing'? Let's face it, GTA isn't a Sony exclusive franchise - it's on Xbox and PC. Doesn't really seem to have done them a lot of harm.

For that matter, FF7,8 and 11 are also available on PC.

Metal Gear Solid is also available on PC, Xbox and Gamecube in various incarnations.

I don't see Sony suffering from sharing any of these high profile franchises.

I think Evil Avatar's glee and jumping on ANYTHING that could be spun in a negative light towards Sony's future is wearing thin. How about you try throwing a few facts in with your rabid speculation?

Oh, and let's not forget the accuracy of translated reports/patents/interviews from Japan. Especially those announced on a very significant day in the calender of the person being quoted - DragonQuest VIII launch day in the U.S. This smells far more like a piece of PR to grab some headlines than anything else.

[Taco]

Are you shitting me Player? You think exclusivity doesn't mean anything? Of course it's losing. If FF and GTA were released for the Xbox and the PS2 on the same date Sony wouldn't be losing anything?

You are quite stunning.

[Borys]

Player 1: awesome, awesome sig. That's XboxAvatar.com caught red-handed.

[Taco]

Player is just some some corporate bitch with strong loyalties he'll deny.

[KamaItachi]

Although Squeenix have been talking about supporting the 360 in a bigger capacity after FF11, there's nothing concrete here at all. There's one small quote from Wada and a mention about how they can't afford a downturn in stock prices. The article is too short to say anything conclusive, but personally, I'd like to see this happen.

[bapenguin]

Player 1: awesome, awesome sig. That's XboxAvatar.com caught red-handed.

Do you guys need a history less on Madden? Ah...I'm not going to even go there....get a f'n clue....it has nothing to do with the 360 except it's the platform both games are on.

[Taco]

All Madden history aside, those NBA screens looked a hell of a lot better, and it had a video for christ sakes. The lack of such a video is the the crux of his comment on Madden it would seem.

Logic people, give it a shot. You never know how much better you come out looking.

What is funny is Player's never ending preaching about how biased we are at EA, but the guy flips out at any perceived negativity levied at Sony or EA. Only scum could defend EA.

[Captain Awesome]

All I want is a proper sequel to FF: Tactics. Not that Crystal Chronicles crap...


although the art was nice. :)

[KamaItachi]

All I want is a proper sequel to FF: Tactics. Not that Crystal Chonicales crap, although the art was nice.

:)

Agreed, CC was just like a very very pretty dungeon crawler/Gauntlet clone but without the booming voice going RED ELF SHOT THE FOOooOOD!

[Morratut]

Hey Player!!! Read this...

Are you shitting me Player? You think exclusivity doesn't mean anything? Of course it's losing. If FF and GTA were released for the Xbox and the PS2 on the same date Sony wouldn't be losing anything?


It does matter.

[MosBen]

I don't get why Player 1's sig is so damning. In the Madden post BAP says that there are new pics of Madden that look better, but we should wait to see it in motion before we get too excited. In the NBA 2k6 post he says that there are pics and *video* and seems impressed by them. So, he saw one in motion and was impressed and saw pics of another but wanted to wait until he could see it in motion.

Furthermore, both of those were 360 games. How do his differing reactions prove an Xbox bias? If anything I'd say it was evidence of an anti-Electronic Arts bias, but not only is that hardly unique on the interweb, I think it's explained by my above paragraph.

[Captain Awesome]

Agreed, CC was just like a very very pretty dungeon crawler/Gauntlet clone but without the booming voice going RED ELF SHOT THE FOOooOOD!


It's sad how excited I was for it, got it and played through it. But not as cool or epic like Tactics. I'd love if they did some insanely new 2d/3d engine for a proper sequel just to capture that style again. ;)

[Chalex]

Doesn't Sony still own something like 15% of SE? I'm sure if they applied some pressure they could prevent them from releasing any "important" titles anywhere other than the PS3.

[Taco]

Player is pro-EA, that's why it's there. I figured Borys was being sarcastic, but I don't keep up on a lot of the console threads and don't have everyone's bias down. At least he was kind enough to give us a warning with his title :).

[KamaItachi]

It's sad how excited I was for it, got it and played through it. But not as cool or epic like Tactics. I'd love if they did some insanely new 2d/3d engine for a proper sequel just to capture that style again. ;)

I missed a lot of the hype for it as i think I was more excited about REmake at the time. When it came out I thought I should do my part and support Square and their new "RPG", but I was pretty disappointed with the end result. The multiplayer added a bit to it, but ultimately it was quite a shallow experience. VERY pretty though.

[Hellstorm]

There is a better chance these hit the Rev.

[Captain Awesome]

I missed a lot of the hype for it as i think I was more excited about REmake at the time. When it came out I thought I should do my part and support Square and their new "RPG", but I was pretty disappointed with the end result. The multiplayer added a bit to it, but ultimately it was quite a shallow experience. VERY pretty though.

I stayed away from the general hype. I saw one preview page and some shots. I was moving at the time. Once I settled, I bought it. And it was at best "okay" But yeah the MP made your purchase worth the while for a bit. The art was indeed awe-inspiring.

My gf at the time was enamored by the art so much that she played it quite a bit, much more than I did.

[Kelegacy]

A REAL FF game AND maybe Dragon Quest on the Xbox? That's utter blasphemy.

Sony, get your heads out of your asses and start snapping up exclusivity agreements. It's worth the money, trust me.

[Reanimated]

Bill wins again.

Fatality.

[Player 1]

Player is pro-EA, that's why it's there.

Actually, I'm anti-ignorance, anti-fanboy, pro-objective thinking.

The content of your responses to me show a "If you're not with us, you're against us" mentality which simply demonstrates your black/white outlook. Things aren't black or white, there's usually many shades if grey - IF you can be bothered to look.

However, I'm sure putting a convenient label on me makes you feel that I'm easier to deal with.


With regards to this particular news post - I've just shown that "Square announcing that they're THINKING of doing something" certainly doesn't amount to more than speculation. To translate such a tenuous piece of gossip into "SONY R TEH DOMED!!!!1" by the end of the newspiece is just insanely, breathtakingly dumb.

Not only does the 'news' story not actually report anything that can be substantiated it points to something that, as I showed in my original response, won't affect Sony to the point of 'doom' as a a significant amount of high-profile games that are synonymous with the PS2 are, in fact, not PS2 exclusive games. It's also worth noting that by SHARING stuff Sony are not LOSING anything. The newspiece cannot even go as far to speculate whether there would even be a period of exclusivity on one platform over another (which, admittedly, IS a useful advantage). It can't do that because this is ANOTHER piece of Evil Avatar news that's actually 0% news and 100% attitude.

But, hey, never let something as trivial as facts get in the way of your prejudice.

[Taco]

If you actually thought for one second about what you have linked in your sig you'd see how full of shit you are. If you are not pro-EA you are just borderline retarded.

[bapenguin]

Not only does the 'news' story not actually report anything that can be substantiated it points to something that, as I showed in my original response, won't affect Sony to the point of 'doom' as a a significant amount of high-profile games that are synonymous with the PS2 are, in fact, not PS2 exclusive games. It's also worth noting that by SHARING stuff Sony are not LOSING anything. The newspiece cannot even go as far to speculate whether there would even be a period of exclusivity on one platform over another (which, admittedly, IS a useful advantage). It can't do that because this is ANOTHER piece of Evil Avatar news that's actually 0% news and 100% attitude.


I guess you didn't take notice who posted the article did you? Now that's ignorance.

[H.Bogard]

I`m begging for rotten tomatoes here, but I'll say this anyway, the lesser the exclusivity deals the better it gets for me :p

I say lets have Electronic Arts make a console, it'd get ALLLL the titles exclusive and all nintendo , ms and sony would have left would be mario , project gotham and Jak & Daxter. That would rock

/drunk

[abso]

The xbox doesn't deserve FF and DQ until it gets lots of really bad jRPG clones. Seriously, where are the shitty rpgs that make me ooh and ah at 30 minutes of random battles as I walk from town to town?

[doubtingthomas]

Somebody somewhere is THINKING about doing something.

Sony is DOOMED!!!!!

[Player 1]

I guess you didn't take notice who posted the article did you? Now that's ignorance.

Excuse my (genuine) ignorance but how should that bear any relevance to the credibility of the story?

If you're saying that the author makes all the difference because he's rock-solid 100% fact and a top industry journo then his newspiece certainly doesn't convey any credence to proper journalism of any reasonable standard.

If, on the other hand, you're saying I should ignore it because, the author has a reputation and isn't credible then how is it MY fault that his words get approved as a front page news piece on Evil Avatar?


Can you tell me, how the fuck I am somehow in the wrong because I may or may not know the reputation of the news poster? Isn't that the responsibility of whoever approves the newspiece?? What kind of circus is this?

[Captain Awesome]

How ur eRage?

[Cubfan]

I think Boris is the one who dislikes the Xbox and is more of a Sony loyalist. Maybe this newspost is more of a reflection of his disappointment in Sony potentially losing exclusives rather than his gloating about the possibility.

[Taco]

I think Boris is the one who dislikes the Xbox and is more of a Sony loyalist. Maybe this newspost is more of a reflection of his disappointment in Sony potentially losing exclusives rather than his gloating about the possibility.

Sure seemed that way to me.

I'm siding with retarded and yet inexplicably impulsive.

[Borys]

Hey Player 1 let's get some facts straight, shall we?

1) I become really fucking furious on the thought that Final Fantasy will end up on Xbox 360. That's on the thought ALONE.

2) I can't even fathom the idea that Dragon Warrior will be playable on Xbox 360.

3) I don't particularly like the Xbox. Ask BabyJesus, Reanimated, bapenguin anybody from the old guard here.

4) But what I hate even more than Xbox is Microsoft buying out franchises and sending money hats. See Bungie, Bioware, id software etc.

5) Yet here he is, the president of Square, fucking president!, saying that there is such a possibility that FF will go 360.

6) But this is news. I can't play dumb and act like that statement didn't happen.

7) So I submited it and be glad it was I who did this - anybody else would put much more harsh comment under the story.

How could you come up with the idea that this is anti-Sony piece is beyond me.

Bapenguin: maybe I didn't 100% understand that photo but it fits the fuel-for-my-hate position. No hard feelings.

[Borys]

Oh and it's Borys not Boris! Don't americanize my name like that!

I think Boris is the one who dislikes the Xbox and is more of a Sony loyalist. Maybe this newspost is more of a reflection of his disappointment in Sony potentially losing exclusives rather than his gloating about the possibility.

That's it. Bravo! You win the prize!

Just think about it - did MS lost any important franchise to Sony? Did Forza, Halo, Fable end up on PS2?

NOPE.

And I pray to God Sony follows MS's footsteps that is - won't let go of important exclusive franchises that make people choose one console over another.

[bapenguin]

Bapenguin: maybe I didn't 100% understand that photo but it fits the fuel-for-my-hate position. No hard feelings.

Of course no hard feelings, you are one of the more rational posters on the site.

[Reanimated]

Of course no hard feelings, you are one of the more rational posters on the site.




That's a joke, right?

"Rational Boris" is an oxymoron.

[tvgm2]

Excuse my (genuine) ignorance but how should that bear any relevance to the credibility of the story?

If you're saying that the author makes all the difference because he's rock-solid 100% fact and a top industry journo then his newspiece certainly doesn't convey any credence to proper journalism of any reasonable standard.

If, on the other hand, you're saying I should ignore it because, the author has a reputation and isn't credible then how is it MY fault that his words get approved as a front page news piece on Evil Avatar?


Can you tell me, how the fuck I am somehow in the wrong because I may or may not know the reputation of the news poster? Isn't that the responsibility of whoever approves the newspiece?? What kind of circus is this?

Well spoken. While I love this site, it becomes clearer everyday that certain things should not be said when posting speculative news.

[Serapth]

Well spoken. While I love this site, it becomes clearer everyday that certain things should not be said when posting speculative news.

Im not exactly sure how a quote from the *PRESIDENT* of the company is speculative? Plus he is reporting on the comment itself, not that it is going to happen.

IMHO, its news. And, if sony lets it happens they are fucking retarded. DQ and FF are perhaps there best machine sellers, atleast they were at FFVII's point. They have lost some luster in recent years I think.

[Vandenh]

Why does it matter?? It is just a game (and a pretty bad one as well). PS3 or 360? Doesn't matter. MS throwing money around? *cough*GTA*cough* It is just economics, Square people might see 360 as a nice way of making extra money so let them.... MS is not throwing money around to buy developers, they are just building a better product (for developers).

[Paranoia]

Bravo to MS if FF & DQ series does come to the X360.

[bapenguin]

Bravo to MS if FF & DQ series does come to the X360.

If it does, it really shows what kind of effort and advancement MS is making in Japan.

[kathode]

Player is hilarious.

"I hate this site that I have posted on 129 times!!!"

[Reanimated]

Player is hilarious.

"I hate this site that I have posted on 129 times!!!"




That's not new. Most of the idiot trolls that post here have the exact same attitude.

[Serapth]

That's not new. Most of the idiot trolls that post here have the exact same attitude.

Werent you just trolling for trolls? :D

[bapenguin]

well...now it's on a REAL (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/667/667079p1.html) news site..like IGN. I mean..Reuters and Yahoo aren't real news sites...and EA surely isn't. Hopefully this appeases player 1.

[Captain Awesome]

If it does, it really shows what kind of effort and advancement MS is making in Japan.

The only advancements corporations can make are with money. MS has truckloads of it, they will buy the sky if they want to.

[Kelegacy]

If it does, it really shows what kind of effort and advancement MS is making in Japan.

Yeah, if effort = how much money MS is willing to spend to buy their support.

[Serapth]

The only advancements corporations can make are with money. MS has truckloads of it, they will buy the sky if they want to.

Its not really that, its more market share. There isnt actually a whole lot of MS/Sony giving a company a truckload of money to be exclusive going on. Yeah there are some sweetheart deals, or breaks in licensing paid, but for the most part, marketshare drives a companies development target.

Recent defections lead me to believe a number of dev houses think market share is going to be much different this generation.

[Paranoia]

Yeah, if effort = how much money MS is willing to spend to buy their support.

No different from Sony with their "effort" to secure exclusives.

[Dabombpizza]

I don't see Sony suffering from sharing any of these high profile franchises.

Well, they lose my money. The only reason I would think about getting a PS3 is because of exclusive Square titles. Nothing else really intrests me on the console. But if I can wait a few months like I can with GTA on the Xbox, I'm fine sitting by and biding my time.

[alienchild]

Oh for christ sakes, stop taking yourself and your hobby so fucking seriously, that goes for all of you. So what if bap posted his opinion, most of us know about it and take it for what it is - an opinion. So what Bapenguin, if he caught you in voicing your opinion even if you didnt mean to, there is no need to deny anything. Can't any of you just shake your head and move along, and discuss the actual topic? FF13 not being Sony exclusive is a HUGE deal for many of us, me included. FF was the only game series on PS3 that I was gonna miss (Im boycotting Sony so I will NEVER EVER buy PS3), so this is fantastic news! YAY!

[Player 1]

Like I said, I don't see Sony suffering.

So, a president of a company announces he's THINKING of an idea and that gets translated in "Sony are doomed". And you're still trying to justify this enormous leap of logic?

Tell you what. If and when it happens and if and when Square's departure from Sony's camp is statistcally proven to be a major reason into the lacklustre performance of the PS3 (sidenote: see Square taking FF away from N64 for examples) then I'll regard this speculation as incredible foresight.

However, as Evil Avatar has so consistently jumped on the premature bandwagon in stories like the Warren Spector / GTA and David Jaffe on Journalism with such haste that they, like so many other people, look a bit silly when the FACTS of the matter are shown and when I take Evil Avatar's "attitude over facts - and proud of it" style into account you'll excuse me for being extremely sceptical of any 'foresight' you feel you express.

You guys, as ever, take a tiny bit of news, spin it through the industry propaganda machine and get your alarmist headline. Square, Dragonquest and Final Fantasy get a truckload of free marketing - on the very same day as a major release that, SHOCK HORROR, is about Dragonquest and Final Fantasy.

Oh yeah. You guys REALLY know when you're being played don't you?

[TrackZero]

Do you guys need a history less on Madden? Ah...I'm not going to even go there....get a f'n clue....it has nothing to do with the 360 except it's the platform both games are on.

Also, doesn't the first article's comment note that we haven't seen the game in action yet so let's wait and see, while the second has game footage so it was impressive....it makes sense to me.....maybe I'm not jaded enough to see "into" the comments.

[TrackZero]

Oh yeah. You guys REALLY know when you're being played don't you?

I'd think having the new Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy being considered for the 360 as well as the PS3 to be big news myself. It shows a fundamental shift in the Japanese game developer mindset. That and it's a good thing for all of us, more system support means more games people can play. w00t.

Don't take it all so seriously man, it's just a company.

[Exodus]

All Madden history aside, those NBA screens looked a hell of a lot better, and it had a video for christ sakes. The lack of such a video is the the crux of his comment on Madden it would seem.

Logic people, give it a shot. You never know how much better you come out looking.

What is funny is Player's never ending preaching about how biased we are at EA, but the guy flips out at any perceived negativity levied at Sony or EA. Only scum could defend EA.

I SECOND THAT, Only brain cell deficient babies grown into super stupid human beings could do such a thing. Either that or work for EA itself.

[Player 1]

Or maybe I don't jump onto the first bandwagon that rolls past or any that follow it?

Nah. You just put me into a little box and call me names - I'm sure it makes you feel big and strong. After all - you know me FAR better than I do so you're perfectly qualified to say what I am, what I'm not and who I work for.

Suuuuuuure...

[Exodus]

Since when was 'losing' the same as 'sharing'? Let's face it, GTA isn't a Sony exclusive franchise - it's on Xbox and PC. Doesn't really seem to have done them a lot of harm.

For that matter, FF7,8 and 11 are also available on PC.

Metal Gear Solid is also available on PC, Xbox and Gamecube in various incarnations.

I don't see Sony suffering from sharing any of these high profile franchises.

I think Evil Avatar's glee and jumping on ANYTHING that could be spun in a negative light towards Sony's future is wearing thin. How about you try throwing a few facts in with your rabid speculation?

Oh, and let's not forget the accuracy of translated reports/patents/interviews from Japan. Especially those announced on a very significant day in the calender of the person being quoted - DragonQuest VIII launch day in the U.S. This smells far more like a piece of PR to grab some headlines than anything else.

I call bullshit.
Those games did come out for pc. YEAR(s) after their release on the PS, so let's see, wait a whoooooole year for a game I've been highly anticipating or buy a PS? I bought a PS, PS2, if ffXII looks good enough I will probably buy a ps2 (at a much lower price than at launch price), but that's only if it doesn't come out for the x-box(360) or pc at the same time as well.

Sony will suffer, you're living in a fantasy land if you think they won't, that's PC friend, a final fantasy game on a western machine is a BIG GODDAMN DEAL. Square-Enix is in my opinion, one of the strongest "We are a japanese development group" in bed with Sony for the longest time and now they are letting their main series and developing it for a 360 platform?

If you don't see it you're just stupid, that's all that can be said.

[Exodus]

Or maybe I don't jump onto the first bandwagon that rolls past or any that follow it?

Nah. You just put me into a little box and call me names - I'm sure it makes you feel big and strong. After all - you know me FAR better than I do so you're perfectly qualified to say what I am, what I'm not and who I work for.

Suuuuuuure...

I know you right now and I think that you're wrong. That's how you presented yourself and thus that's how you think is seen.
Prove me wrong Player1, prove me wrong.

[Onea]

Jesus christ, did any of you even read the IGN article?

"We plan on solidifying our plans by E3 to offer both on the PS3 and Xbox 360, or place both on just one [system]," Wada explained.

Sure, they MAY release it on the 360 and PS3, or they MAY just put both on the PS3, or they MAY just put both on the 360. The probability of the sum of all events is 1 god-damnit! This isn't news at all!

Ps. I have definately noticed a bias on EvilAvatar in the 360's favour and against Sony and vicariously their PS3. Player1, you are the only well-spoken and rational person on these forums.
edit: To clairify, I mean rational as in the only person who doesn't seem to be blinded by their bias, and is able to look at both sides of the argument. Personally I not buying any of the next generation consoles so I believe I'm pretty impartial. The new systems are a waste of money, a waste of time, and there are far better games that I could be playing like Tetris or MUDS.

[Player 1]

Guilty until proven innocent?

Nice attitude you have. Real welcoming.

I call bullshit.
Those games did come out for pc. YEAR(s) after their release on the PS, so let's see, wait a whoooooole year for a game I've been highly anticipating or buy a PS? I bought a PS, PS2, if ffXII looks good enough I will probably buy a ps2 (at a much lower price than at launch price), but that's only if it doesn't come out for the x-box(360) or pc at the same time as well.

Oh, I'm sorry - where does it say Square have confirmed they're releasing new DQ and FF games on non Sony machines at the same time as Sony machines?

You guys keep getting ahead of yourselves... the only people that have said that are dense gamers who think thier assumptions instantly equal fact. Try sticking to reality eh?

[Player 1]

Jesus christ, did any of you even read the IGN article?

"We plan on solidifying our plans by E3 to offer both on the PS3 and Xbox 360, or place both on just one [system]," Wada explained.

Sure, they MAY release it on the 360 and PS3, or they MAY just put both on the PS3, or they MAY just put both on the 360. The probability of the sum of all events is 1 god-damnit! This isn't news at all!

Ps. I have definately noticed a bias on EvilAvatar in the 360's favour and against Sony and vicariously their PS3. Player1, you are the only well-spoken and rational person on these forums.

Well, it's nice to see someone actually read an article before they respond to it.

Unfortunately, Onea, as much as I appreciate your favourable comments towards me I'm sure you've just opened yourself to a barrage of "You must be Player 1's mum" or some such mature response (from all those people that know you or me better we know ourselves).

Either way, respect to ANYBODY who's got the stomach to show a bit of independent thought, a little attention and the willingness not to mindlessly go with the flow.

[Taco]

No, I think he's a dupe account or a co-worker ;).

[Fonz]

The last 4 games released by Sqareenix have gotten 5-7 ratings, lets admit it Squaresoft would be alot better of without Enix, ever since the merger their quality of product has declined. Bring back the Chrono Trigger/ Secret of Mana days please. 2 good releases a year is better than 5 mediocre ones.

[Taco]

And for what it's worth.

Thinking independently as a product of being wrong isn't something people should strive to be.

[Exodus]

We're disputing whether it's a big deal or not to sony and you're saying it's not and we're sayin it is. I support it with my experience on why I even bothered with sony in the first place ff(#). I never said it is going to happen I'm disputing you saying it's not a big deal that one of the biggest partners in japanese game development known to be an exclusive partner with sony even considering this as not a big deal means you aren't thinking of what will happen if such a thing were to come to light.

I suppose I should have added an "and" at the same time as well.

There, continue.

[Onea]

It would only be a big deal if they ACTUALLY released it for the 360, and then it would depend on when they released it.

That article states that they MAY or MAY NOT release it for the 360, in the same sentence. Those two events cover all possibilities. You are erroneously putting more weight on the "MAY" probability. All we can derive from that article is what the two events are.

From past experiences, we can estimate what the probabilities are. I would predict that there is a fairly low probability that they would release it for the 360 as SE has been "in bed" with Sony, so to speak. Also, you also must consider that they might simply be trying to get some PR, when they really don't plan on releasing it for the 360. If you think about it, they did get quite a lot of PR. It's been quoted on IGN, and we're discussing it now aren't we?

I am responding right now, because I have been very annoyed at EvilAvatar.com recently. As I've mentioned, I find it so bloody irritating when people don't think at all. You simply follow what everyone else is saying, or jump to conclusions. Think CRITICALLY PEOPLE. Take a bloody first year philosophy course and statistics course. It makes me even MORE angry when someone finally starts to think critically like Player1 to suddenly get viciously attacked by jerks who are NOT thinking.

And yes, I do believe that I am a more critical thinker than you. Prove me wrong and respond to my message with something resembling reason.

[Player 1]

biggest partners in japanese game development known to be an exclusive partner with sony ..

So all those Squaresoft GBA games, Gamecube titles and forthcoming DS games, PC games, the announced ages ago FFXI for X360 and Square's many mobile-phone games fell under your radar?

Or do you just have some definition of "exclusive" that I'm not familiar with. Please, enlighten me.


Or could it just be PR. Make a statement about DQ and FF that is neither one thing nor the other. Do it on the launch of your biggest release of the year. Do it just before the launch of the X360 in same territory under the guise of making it sound like you're supporting both platforms..

..no...

That's all coincidence isn't it? Couldn't POSSIBLY be PR. You're all FAR to smart too fall for that.

Right?

[thFOOL]

I think the fact that Square-Enix is even thinking about the Xbox360 as a viable platform for their games is big news, and has been since they announced FFXXI several months ago. I also think that the reason for any supposed 'bias' against Sony lately, here and on many other sites, is largely the result of the vaporous quality of just about everything coming out of the Sony camp lately. If the damn console is going to launch in the spring, where is the ingame footage? Coasting on pre-rendered tricked out videos worked well for them last time, but nobody is buying that right now, especially since Microsoft is putting their money where their mouth is. And the fact that Sony is pulling the same shit everbody bitched at Nintendo for doing not so long ago in regards to online support (as in none), isn't escaping anyone either.

So far, all we've heard from Sony is a lot of shit-talking. Meanwhile, slowly but surely, Japanese devs are starting to come forward and voice at least some quiet support for a western console. That is huge.

[bapenguin]

The fact that the president of Square-Enix even MENTIONED the possiblity of their games on the 360 is news in itself.

And Onea...going against the grain is not the same as thinking critically.

Player 1...if you don't like the site, or you find something wrong with it...why waste your time and visit it?

Player 1 and Onea are not the same...at least not the same IP address. :D

[TrackZero]

Well, it's nice to see someone actually read an article before they respond to it.

Unfortunately, Onea, as much as I appreciate your favourable comments towards me I'm sure you've just opened yourself to a barrage of "You must be Player 1's mum" or some such mature response (from all those people that know you or me better we know ourselves).

Either way, respect to ANYBODY who's got the stomach to show a bit of independent thought, a little attention and the willingness not to mindlessly go with the flow.

Heh, maybe it's just my paranoia-sense ringing, but to suddenly see someone open a new account with a handful of posts backing you up, who actually writes like you do....well, it's a little conspicuous is all. And I'm not claiming anything, just pointing out how weird *cough* that is. ;)

[Taco]

Well Onea, you are arguing something pretty much no one else is. That critical enough for you? Some people are saying if Sony loses their exclusivity it will hurt them and is a loss for them. Player1 is saying it wouldn't have any effect. That is what is being argued.

The chances of this happening or not is really irrelevant when it comes to arguing possible future scenarios.

Do you agree that Sony losing their exclusivity to Final Fantasy is really not a loss for them? I am not asking you for your opinion of the chances of this happening.

Not to mention the stupidity in his sig that three people have noticed and he has yet to respond to. Either repsond or take it out of your sig numb nuts.

[Onea]

Thank you thFool for thinking before responding.

You raise worthy points regarding why people are currently unhappy with Sony. You forgot to mention the Spyware thing by the way. I agree with you on all your points, especially the online thing. Sony's console is currently less impressive, and seems to pale in comparison to the 360. However, think about reasons other than "it's a shitty system and company." Perhaps it seems worse because it isn't completed yet? It is a lot harder to hype up your system if you have nothing to show yet. You could argue that Sony is doing as good a job as they can by presenting what they have like pre rendered videos, since they may not have any actual games completed yet.

In any case, I'm not going to convince you that the PS3 is better, since I don't believe that myself and that wasn't really the point of my article. What I was actually getting at was the fact that noone is actually thinking before posting news and comments.

Finally, I'd like everyone to reflect on one thing: "Is it really in everyone's best interest for Sony's PS3 to fail?" This sentiment is present in a lot of comments and news posts. I say no. Competition is the lifeblood of innovation. If the PS3 flops utterly, Nintendo will get gobbled up by MS. With no competition, MS won't have any reason to try and release innovative, ground breaking, or inexpensive games and features. You'll eventually be stuck with $100, repetitive, boring games.

Do you want that?

[TrackZero]

Thank you thFool for thinking before responding.

You raise worthy points regarding why people are currently unhappy with Sony. You forgot to mention the Spyware thing by the way. I agree with you on all your points, especially the online thing. Sony's console is currently less impressive, and seems to pale in comparison to the 360. However, think about reasons other than "it's a shitty system and company." Perhaps it seems worse because it isn't completed yet? It is a lot harder to hype up your system if you have nothing to show yet. You could argue that Sony is doing as good a job as they can by presenting what they have like pre rendered videos, since they may not have any actual games completed yet.

In any case, I'm not going to convince you that the PS3 is better, since I don't believe that myself and that wasn't really the point of my article. What I was actually getting at was the fact that noone is actually thinking before posting news and comments.

Finally, I'd like everyone to reflect on one thing: "Is it really in everyone's best interest for Sony's PS3 to fail?" This sentiment is present in a lot of comments and news posts. I say no. Competition is the lifeblood of innovation. If the PS3 flops utterly, Nintendo will get gobbled up by MS. With no competition, MS won't have any reason to try and release innovative, ground breaking, or inexpensive games and features. You'll eventually be stuck with $100, repetitive, boring games.

Do you want that?

Heh, now I'm sure it's Player 1 with two accounts. ;)

[Player 1]

Well Onea, you are arguing something pretty much no one else is. That critical enough for you? Some people are saying if Sony loses their exclusivity it will hurt them and is a loss for them. Player1 is saying it wouldn't have any effect. That is what is being argued.

As I demonstrated in my very first post. HUGE profile games such as GTA and Metal Gear Solid are not Sony exclusive franchises.

Has this PROVED to have affected Sony detrimentally? No, it has been PROVED that it hasn't.

As it stands, Squaresoft have ALREADY announced support for X360 *months* ago. This is not news to anyone who has actually been paying attention to something other than the sound of their own voice.

Somehow you prefer to ignore already announced news and PROVED industry trend and decide that, because it's been said again, it changes EVERYTHING.

Does it make the argument any more credible? No it doesn't.

To aid you, speculation has been thrown into the mix. "Oh, but look what will happen when FF13 comes out on X360 on day 1". Tell you what, IF it happens, I'll look. But seeing as that's not even been mentioned by anyone who actually matters you won't mind if I totally dismiss your speculation and continue to show up fanboy/hater/premature activity for what it is.

You know, I sometimes wonder that if facts were like rain, half of you wouldn't even get wet.

Do you agree that Sony losing their exclusivity to Final Fantasy is really not a loss for them?

It's not been exclusive to one manufacturer since the SNES days. Keep up.

Not to mention the stupidty in his sig that three people have noticed and he has yet to respond to. Either repsond or take it out of your sig numb nuts.

Why the fuck should I respond to people who don't like my sig?

I'm only showing an example of double standards (note there's about 4 mins betwen posts in that pic). Don't like it, don't do it?

I'm only preying on popular perception that "problem with EA" *must* mean Electronic Arts. Feel cheated? Don't be so gullible.

Unlike many on EA, I'm not fabricating something that didn't happen - I'm simply pointing it out.

Simple rule: If you don't like it being shown up don't do it in the first place.

[Player 1]

Heh, now I'm sure it's Player 1 with two accounts. ;)

Sure. As ever you know more about me than I do myself. That's how you can qualify your silly comment.

I'm sure an Admin with access to things like IP addresses will be able to testify the truth of the situation.

The question is: can you handle the truth?

I've usually found the answer to be: Only if you like the sound of it.

Ho ho ho. How witty it is to point the finger at other people! ;)

[Onea]

If you look right under my name, it shows I opened my account in March. I just don't post, ever, since its hardly seemed worth my time.

[Ozymandias]

Why does it matter?? It is just a game (and a pretty bad one as well). PS3 or 360? Doesn't matter. MS throwing money around? *cough*GTA*cough* It is just economics, Square people might see 360 as a nice way of making extra money so let them.... MS is not throwing money around to buy developers, they are just building a better product (for developers).

Exactly. We're in a multi-platform world, and any publisher with shareholders has to think about broadening out. The other option is for someone to ante up the cash that the publisher will presumably loose by not being on multiple platforms - which is where we get exclusives (or "money hats") from.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by how little some people think things through. Example is the EA doing their own console and supporting it with all their own content and "winning". Not. Were that to happen, they're suddenly in competition with other console makers who then won't allow them to release their games on those platforms - EA's revenues tank, as does the share price.

Ok - rant off. Short form, I believe exclusive titles are going to be few and far in between in this generation. EA, Activision, and Ubisoft are already there with the occasional one-off exception. Square is just jumping on the same train.

[Taco]

HUGE profile games such as GTA and Metal Gear Solid are not Sony exclusive franchises.
It's not been exclusive to one manufacturer since the SNES days. Keep up.

Uh yes they are. What is it, 6 months to a year or so after release until they can release it on other platforms? That is exclusivity. As far as PC goes, I'd agree with you. I don't think that cuts into their sales.

I'm only showing an example of double standards (note there's about 4 mins betwen posts in that pic). Don't like it, don't do it?

I'm only preying on popular perception that "problem with EA" *must* mean Electronic Arts. Feel cheated? Don't be so gullible.

To be stated for the fourth time. IT'S NOT AN EXAMPLE OF DOUBLE STANDARDS. No doubt if you look hard enough you could find them. But this is not a case of it. I believe you used to have another sig that was a bit more valid in that argument. The current one just makes you look stupid.

[Onea]

Exclusive means either A or B, not both. Releasing it on another platform 6 months later is not "exclusive" because then it is on A and B. At best I'd call that a time-limited monopoly or something stupid.

Update: I'm going to class, so I'm not going to be responding to any comments for the next few hours. Feel free to flame me.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

Man, I really miss the old days of EA.

Anyone else remember when Borys, Reanimated, and others would post comments that just really, really pissed off other posters, sparking huge multi-page debates? Now all we get is Player 1. It just isn't as much fun. :(

Hell, even Zeal and Perigon have been tame lately. What's going on guys? Getting old? :p

[Taco]

Why? When the game is hyped and new and hot it's only available for one system. That sells that system. That puts that system in the limelight. If it is available for two it loses that edge. The positives of an exclusive title are still in effect.

I've also seen it be referred to as a one year exclusive, or whatever. Never a time-limited monopoly.

[TrackZero]

Sure. As ever you know more about me than I do myself. That's how you can qualify your silly comment.

I'm sure an Admin with access to things like IP addresses will be able to testify the truth of the situation.

The question is: can you handle the truth?

I've usually found the answer to be: Only if you like the sound of it.

Ho ho ho. How witty it is to point the finger at other people! ;)

I never claimed I know anything about you. Logic is simple in this, you're arguments are long-winded. Out of nowhere comes a new account backing you up, with your exact style. There's a large chance that it's you with a seperate account. That's it. Live with it, because I'm not the only one to think this.

Edit: I removed the "filled with ego", I realize I'm being harsh on that. But the writing styles between accounts are similar.

[Onea]

Time-limited monopoly is just a name I made up on the spot. A one-year exclusive is a better name.

But notice the "one-year" time limit. (time-limited). "Exclusive", like the NFL franchise name, are exclusive for the duration of their contract. To just use the word "exclusive", it implies no time limit.

Class time, out.

[Ajezz]

Player1 I think you're missing the point, what makes this news is that this is the first time Square has even hinted at the possibility of having their flagship series released on anything other than a Sony system in two hardware generations.

Yes I know Square has released stuff the GC and GBA/DS – but it’s all spin-off’s and remakes. As for the PC releases and FFXI on the 360, those all came out significantly after the original release on the Sony console.

Whether or not it’s just red meat for the rumour mill to generate free press is a separate issue entirely, but I don’t see how you can make the argument that losing FF exclusivity may not hurt Sony. There is simply no way they can repeat their complete lock on the Japanese console market without Square releasing the core FF's exclusively on the PS3.

[bapenguin]

Exclusive means either A or B, not both. Releasing it on another platform 6 months later is not "exclusive" because then it is on A and B. At best I'd call that a time-limited monopoly or something stupid.


The Sony/Rockstar deal on GTA 3 was a set time exclusive agreement. If GTA 3 came out on both XBox, PC and PS2 at the same time, the console %'s I think would look quite a bit different. GTA 3 sold so many PS2s it's not even funny. It did that because there was no other platform at the time to get the game on, everyone wanted the game, so they snagged the PS2. Limited time monopoly or whatever it is...these kind of deals happen all the time in all kinds of markets and are very profitable.

[Taco]

Time-limited monopoly is just a name I made up on the spot. A one-year exclusive is a better name.

But notice the "one-year" time limit. (time-limited). "Exclusive", like the NFL franchise name, are exclusive for the duration of their contract. To just the word "exclusive", it implies no time limit.

Class time, out.

That's just splitting hairs. The effects are the same. Who's going to argue against the fact that GTA3 sold Playstation units? If it was released at the same time for both would it not diminish some of those sales and add to the XBox?

Player1 thinks so.

Edit: Bap beats me ;).

[Borys]

Man, I really miss the old days of EA.

Anyone else remember when Borys, Reanimated, and others would post comments that just really, really pissed off other posters, sparking huge multi-page debates? Now all we get is Player 1. It just isn't as much fun. :(

Hell, even Zeal and Perigon have been tame lately. What's going on guys? Getting old? :p

I'll try to not disappoint you during the Halo 3 launch. I'm sure Reanimated will follow :)

[Ajezz]

Exclusive means either A or B, not both. Releasing it on another platform 6 months later is not "exclusive" because then it is on A and B. At best I'd call that a time-limited monopoly or something stupid.


Gamer's willing to wait 3+ years for a hit game to come to their system of choice (ie FFXI on the 360 and MGS on the GC) are not where the big money is to be made - arguing whether or not exclusive means forever or some specified amount of time is just nitpicking when the majority of units will be sold in the first 6 months or so. If GTA3 were to be released on the GC today ~4 years after it was an "exclusive" Sony title, likely wouldn't have much impact on the PS2's market share, but if it had been released on both systems simultaneously things may have turned out a little different.

[Player 1]

Player1 I think you're missing the point, what makes this news is that this is the first time Square has even hinted at the possibility of having their flagship series released on anything other than a Sony system in two hardware generations.

*yawn*

Scroll up and re-read the stuff about how it was announced that FFXI is coming to X360 months ago.

Oh, and don't forget all those wonderful Final Fantasy games on Nintendo GBA, GC and the forthcoming DS and GBA remakes (remakes - on a Nintendo - who'd have expected that?).

Still, I'm sure YOUR idea of what a FF game is is more significant that, say, Squaresofts. What the hell do they know?

As for the PC releases and FFXI on the 360, those all came out significantly after the original release on the Sony console.

!! IMPORTANT BIT !! PAY ATTENTION !! IMPORTANT BIT !!

Nowhere other than in the excitable minds of purile gamers has it been stated that this situation will change for Sony in the future. You're basing your WHOLE argument on not only the possibility of FF games coming to X360 (remember - read the IGN article in FULL) but you're also ASSUMING that they'll appear instantly on 360 as well as PS3.

Unfortunately, nothing of that ilk has been said by anyone who actually has a clue. You're so busy presuming your assumptions are correct you've forgotten to check the facts. You've run away with your little idea that you haven't stopped for one minute to actually see if you're basing it on anything that was said by a reliable, accurate, knowledgeable source.

If you're going to build your argument on such shoddy foundations then expect it to collapse in front of your eyes.

but I don’t see how you can make the argument that losing FF exclusivity may not hurt Sony.

Please read my comments about other high profile non exclusive games such as GTA and MGS. Non-exclusivity didn't hurt Sony did it? Your point only stands if they go multiplatform on day one (as opposed to a time-limited exclusivity deal - which I've never dismissed) - which is a fabrication based on a fabrication - so let's not even consider it.

There is simply no way they can repeat their complete lock on the Japanese console market without Square releasing the core FF's exclusively on the PS3.

Based on your logic and reasoning I really can't believe that last statement as anything other that another product of your fertile and over excitable imagination.

Have you considered writing children's fiction?

[Player 1]

The Sony/Rockstar deal on GTA 3 was a set time exclusive agreement. If GTA 3 came out on both XBox, PC and PS2 at the same time, the console %'s I think would look quite a bit different. GTA 3 sold so many PS2s it's not even funny. It did that because there was no other platform at the time to get the game on, everyone wanted the game, so they snagged the PS2. Limited time monopoly or whatever it is...these kind of deals happen all the time in all kinds of markets and are very profitable.

That's just splitting hairs. The effects are the same. Who's going to argue against the fact that GTA3 sold Playstation units? If it was released at the same time for both would it not diminish some of those sales and add to the XBox?

Player1 thinks so.

Edit: Bap beats me ;).

Important words coloured in RED

Everyone else seems to be acting like there is no "IF" that everything that is speculation is actually the gospel truth.

Those quoted 'IF's are based on historical fact and industry trend. Not some wild imagination of a Sony basher. *that* is why I have no issue with them. *that* is why they're credible.

[Taco]

That if was meant to signify a hypothetical question, I'm not sure what direction you are trying to take this. I think you are back pedaling though. I didn't see any if in your first post of this thread.

As far as being a Sony basher, label me what you like. I'm not buying a 360, PS3 or revolution. No interest in any of them.

Edit: I suppose you could actually be saying if GTA3 was released for the XBox and PS2 at the same time there would be no difference in sales.

In which case you're a fucking moron and I'm done with you.

[Ajezz]

*yawn*

Still, I'm sure YOUR idea of what a FF game is is more significant that, say, Squaresofts. What the hell do they know?

Please read my comments about other high profile non exclusive games such as GTA and MGS. Non-exclusivity didn't hurt Sony did it? Your point only stands if they go multiplatform on day one (as opposed to a time-limited exclusivity deal - which I've never dismissed) - which is a fabrication based on a fabrication - so let's not even consider it.

Based on your logic and reasoning I really can't believe that last statement as anything other that another product of your fertile and over excitable imagination.


I don't know why my idea of a significant FF game has anything to with it. I simply believe FFXII released on multiple systems will hurt Sony's bottom line more than FFXII only being available on the PS3 and various remakes being available for other systems. I think apples should be compared to apples.

As for the MGS non-exclusivity I really don't think the 2003 release of MGS for the GC cut into Sony's 1998 sales of MGS for the PS but that's just me

As for the statement about Sony's lock on the Japanese console market for the last two hardware generations being partially attributable to the FF series being a product of my imagination... What do you think it was, the fact the PS2 could stand on it's side?

[Ajezz]

Everyone else seems to be acting like there is no "IF" that everything that is speculation is actually the gospel truth.


Who said "Sony is teh doomed"? Or are you arguing that whether or not Square made the statement is speculation?

I was under the impression the discussion was about whether or not this is news and whether such a move would hurt Sony/ help MS "IF" Squares president followed through.

[RandomViolence]

So, essentially, the conclusion of these words for those who don't want to wade through the bullshit:

Fact summary:
A simultaneous release of these for PS3 and 360 would be bad for Sony. A limited exclusivity would sting, but not much. Both are mere possibilities, Square has said nothing else.

Bullshit summary:
Everyone gangbanged Player 1 except Taco, he went for the kill. TrackZero thinks Onea is a mutant Player 1 alias from another world designed to kill Xbox fanboys. I ate hamburgers for lunch.

That is all.

[JediSanf]

Fact summary:
A simultaneous release of these for PS3 and 360 would be bad for Sony. A limited exclusivity would sting, but not much. Both are mere possibilities, Square has said nothing else.

Bullshit summary:
Everyone gangbanged Player 1 except Taco, he went for the kill. TrackZero thinks Onea is a mutant Player 1 alias from another world designed to kill Xbox fanboys. I ate hamburgers for lunch.


Addendum...
Poll: If and only if Sony releases their titles on the 360 within 6 months of a PS3 release, will anyone not be purchasing a PS3?

I can't say no yet, but I would definatly think about it.

[Achilles]

Well if he’s thinking about it enough to say that he's thinking about it, that’s something. Multi-platform and Sqeenix don’t really jive. I’d be surprised if they went that way. If they get multiplatform squeenix that would be huge. If they get them exclusive they win Japan.

For the Revolution; Iwata (I believe it was Iwata) announced that they’ll have a wi-fi enabled version of Crystal Chronicles coming to the Revolution back at the E3 conference. Nobody seemed to notice that either.

[Murmillo]

wow.. a whole lot of bull shit in this thread.

[Player 1]

For the folk who like to quote my posts: TRY READING THEM.

You're throwing shit at me that I never even said or agreed with. Christ, can you BE more ignorant and inconsistent?

Random Violence: Spot on - have a banana.

[TheBrainKills]

This is all about the money, speculators just love this stuff. I mean the stock ones... not the EA ones ;) .This is probably just Square putting its pawn out there seeing if it will get taken or if Sony will protect it. If Sony doesn't you can bet it will hurt their bottom line tho. And that is just pure speculation.

As far as player1's tag I see that as bullshit too, because the criticism about the Madden games was about the animations, they made the game look pretty but it looked like shit in motion.

[Taco]

That's funny player

Random said this:
Fact summary:
A simultaneous release of these for PS3 and 360 would be bad for Sony. A limited exclusivity would sting, but not much.

You said this:
Like I said, I don't see Sony suffering.

[LogainAblar]

Ok, I don't like flame wars, but I read Player1's first post and realized he is really just here to start arguments (and other guys here are keeping them up).

Not that I care, but you're never going to convince Player1 that he's wrong, even though he clearly is. He simply bases all his arguments on the fact that there is no current deal between MS and Square Enix to release the system-selling main FF series on the 360.

That's great, we all know that, but that comment by the Sqare Enix president does open up room for speculation. Are we not allowed to speculate on a comment made by a rather important person involved with Square Enix?

Just fucking admit it, Player1, you only wanted to stir up arguments in the first place, but now you've decided to act indignant, as if everyone is consipiring against you. What the fuck do you expect is going to happen when you start insulting the website you're posting at?

Get off your fucking high horse, we're all stubborn pricks, and if you really want to get your point across don't go about doing so by telling us all how stupid we are.

[Exodus]

It would only be a big deal if they ACTUALLY released it for the 360, and then it would depend on when they released it.

That article states that they MAY or MAY NOT release it for the 360, in the same sentence. Those two events cover all possibilities. You are erroneously putting more weight on the "MAY" probability. All we can derive from that article is what the two events are.

From past experiences, we can estimate what the probabilities are. I would predict that there is a fairly low probability that they would release it for the 360 as SE has been "in bed" with Sony, so to speak. Also, you also must consider that they might simply be trying to get some PR, when they really don't plan on releasing it for the 360. If you think about it, they did get quite a lot of PR. It's been quoted on IGN, and we're discussing it now aren't we?

I am responding right now, because I have been very annoyed at EvilAvatar.com recently. As I've mentioned, I find it so bloody irritating when people don't think at all. You simply follow what everyone else is saying, or jump to conclusions. Think CRITICALLY PEOPLE. Take a bloody first year philosophy course and statistics course. It makes me even MORE angry when someone finally starts to think critically like Player1 to suddenly get viciously attacked by jerks who are NOT thinking.

And yes, I do believe that I am a more critical thinker than you. Prove me wrong and respond to my message with something resembling reason.

Jump to conclusions? I didn't jump to anything he says it won't have an impact, I'm saying it WILL have an impact.

Square/Enix develops probably one of the core japanese rpgs for consoles since the beginning, they are a reason people will buy a system because for them, not for the company, for THEM the makers of a GAME that people like enough will actually go out of their way to buy a system for THEM, me I am one of those people.
To say it won't have an impact is ridiculous, when the xbox first launched japanese developers were still in their nintendo/sony corners and now we see more and more of them developing for the xbox platform, ninja gaiden, castlevania:cod, and more and more with every line up. Now you have the 360 that provides a great live system that is creating a network that will quite possibly be considered one of the good moments in gaming history like battle.net where people with not so much technical know how can now easily access online gamin,. to the person who doesn't want to deal with computers, it's going to bring them in.
You have japanese console developers who don't care about that and are totally riding on their game library of developers who makes use of it. So let me see, do I take a 360 who has become a media center, a platform for network gaming with support for a plethora of potential from patching, add-ons, more possibilities than a ps3 who says oh hey, let the developers handle it. The 360 has structure, the ps3 doesn't, and you are telling me I can have that structure AND have the same games on the 360 that the ps3 gets?

I mean think about it, if I could have xbox-live and all the ps2 exclusive games, why would I bother getting a ps2? If you think me asking that question does not have an impact on sony, and that I'm the only one who comes to this conclusion then you're sorely wrong.

Think about it, if final fantasy crystal chronicles was developed for the xbox utilizing live for it to play with friends don't you think it would have been far more succesful? isn't that something worth thinking about?

I know for damn sure Sony will fight to keep square/enix exclusive and I think the possibilities are high that they'll end up keeping their games exclusive. But to say that it will NOT have an impact on Sony if such a thing were to happen is just totally blatantly wrong, the only reason to buy the ps3 IS for the japanese exclusives like devil may cry(though the camera problems make me cringe), some of the castlevania games(curse of darkness is xbox'd but it makes me want to play the previous release, and yah I would definitely buy a ps3 if it had a sequel to SoTN).

The fact of the matter is, if japanese developers that were considered solidly in the sony camp eg. Square/Enix are considering taking their big exclusive material somewhere else or thinking of ending it, you're saying that won't have an impact?

I don't see how you can come to that conclusion.

[01010]

They're just games guys.

[Borys]

This thing is still going on?

On a side note somebody should really go to the Sony HQ and slap Kutaragi or that new English guy. Sony should fight for exclusives, fight for the mindshare. As much as I would like it to be - 360 ain't Dreamcast 2.0. Microsoft won't go down without a brutal multimillion dollar fight.

[The Great Gatsby]

This thing is still going on?

Indeed. And they say games aren't just for kids. The way everyone is arguing over stupid shit you would think they are nothing but kids.

[JediSanf]

On a side note somebody should really go to the Sony HQ and slap Kutaragi or that new English guy. Sony should fight for exclusives, fight for the mindshare. As much as I would like it to be - 360 ain't Dreamcast 2.0. Microsoft won't go down without a brutal multimillion dollar fight.

You know what the best part of a brutal multimillion dollar fight is? Roasting marshmallows over the loser's corporate headquarters.

[Onea]

I think one reason that this argument is still continuing, is because we don't quite understand what we're arguing about.

Exodus, I agree with EVERYTHING you just said. You're arguing against a stance which I don't hold. I never said that losing exclusives wouldn't hurt Sony.

I'll write up a long-ass reply to try and clairify everything shall I? Give me like an hour.

[Xerxes]

Sony will feel it if Square doesn't do like Rockstar does and give them first crack at these titles. If they come out same day, most assured they'd probably sell mostly about the same everywhere except Japan. Intially the ps3 install base won't be larger. We shall see.

[51|RandoM]

The last 4 games released by Sqareenix have gotten 5-7 ratings, lets admit it Squaresoft would be alot better of without Enix, ever since the merger their quality of product has declined.


...whatever. Square games have sucked for a LONG time, don't blame that shit on Enix.

I for one will pick enix games over square games any day of the week.

[51|RandoM]

...and if you don't think exclusives are important, you're not thinking.

Exclusives are the only reason people bought a gamecube this generation, fyi.

[Sykus]

It's also worth noting that by SHARING stuff Sony are not LOSING anything.

*Is* not. Sony *is* not losing anything. "Sony" is a singular noun, therefore it gets the singular version of the verb. That's a good poster.

But in all seriousness, wouldn't you agree that having an exclusive title on its launch day, even if it becomes available on other platforms a year down the road, is a good thing? If so, you'd have to agree that "sharing" the title on its launch day would mean the loss of that good thing.

And for heaven's sake, calm down.

[Kelegacy]

This thing is still going on?


Let's get out of here and go play some golf or something. Or whatever you Polish folk do. I'm game. Retarded people make my sphincter itch.

[Zeal]

What matters is if the games release on both systems simultaneously. If FFXII comes out on PS3, and then 360 like six months later, that doesn't mean shit. People who want the games are going to buy them on the system they release on.

Now, if they hit on PS3 and 360 at the same time (unlikely), Sony's got a problem.

Also, multi-platform games always look and play like shit. I think that'll problem change in the next-gen though, considering the systems are more or less the same.

[Player 1]

Ok, I don't like flame wars, but I read Player1's first post and realized he is really just here to start arguments (and other guys here are keeping them up).

Realise all you like - you still don't know me and you're still wrong about me. I speak my mind and I don't jump on the bandwagon. You see that as trolling, I see that as applying some independant thought to the situation.

You know, hundreds of years ago someone dared to say the world was round, not flat. I bet he got flamed by people who couldn't let themselves think outside popular opinion too.

Not that I care, but you're never going to convince Player1 that he's wrong, even though he clearly is. He simply bases all his arguments on the fact that there is no current deal between MS and Square Enix to release the system-selling main FF series on the 360.

Holy shit! I'm basing my argument on current facts? What kind of crazy talk is this?

Clearly, Evil Avatar mentality says this is WRONG. Arguments must only be based on speculation for them to be right.

Have you listened to yourself recently?
but that comment by the Sqare Enix president does open up room for speculation. Are we not allowed to speculate on a comment made by a rather important person involved with Square Enix?

Sure, speculate away. But don't go into the streets yelling "Sony R domed!!!!" based on your own wild speculation. And don't try to convince me that prejudice, bias, the inability to read stories in full or remember announcements from months ago makes your speculation TRUE. Don't try to batter me down with how amazing your speculation MAY be when the FACTS and DETAILS don't support it.

Believe in whatever god you like. Me? I'm a scientist. I'll go with facts over blind faith any day.

Just fucking admit it, Player1, you only wanted to stir up arguments in the first place, but now you've decided to act indignant, as if everyone is consipiring against you.

Ah yes, you're another one of this considerate folks who've decided they know my motives better than me. What esteemed company I must be in to have all these amazing psychics so interested.

I say what I say, not to get a reaction, not to get attention, but because I excersize my right to express my opinion. I base my opinion on fact and I have a tendancy to quote those facts and provide examples. This is often in an effort to substantiate what I say in some vain hope that someone will stop bashing BRAND X long enough to absorb the facts of a given situation rather than speak from prejudice and bias.

So far you guys have really let yourselves down.

Still - when in doubt, scream, shout and call people names. That should distract them long enough (or put them off speaking with you) so you can carry on with your blind company bashing undisturbed.

Ain't freedom of speech a stinker?

What the fuck do you expect is going to happen when you start insulting the website you're posting at?

Check my posts - I never throw the first punch. Perhaps you should ask your beloved community what the fuck IT expects when it starts to insult and name-call one of it's members?

Ah. Whoops. Can't have that can we?

I guess you'd better scream and shout a bit more (use 'fuck' a lot more too - that often helps), maybe insult my mother? Yeah. I'm sure that'll show me who's boss.

Get off your fucking high horse, we're all stubborn pricks, and if you really want to get your point across don't go about doing so by telling us all how stupid we are.

OK, here's how it works. Pay attention:

When I see people acting stupid, I call them stupid.
When I see people acting ignorant, I call them ignorant.

Want it to change? Make a change then. It's really not rocket science.

[kickmybum]

Never even heard of Dragon Warrior. Why do people keep talking about how its Sony's best franchise?

[Sykus]

Never even heard of Dragon Warrior. Why do people keep talking about how its Sony's best franchise?

Mostly due to its enormous popularity in Japan.

[Onea]

This message has three sections.
1. How things got started.
2. Analysis of the "SquareEnix May Release Games for 360"
3. How EvilAvatar is not conforming to journalistic standards. What needs to change


SECTION 1: How this argument got started:
-Article released stating that S/E may or may not support 360.
-Evil avatar links the article, and a few people (notably the editor) jump to the conclusion and insinuate that the deal is good as done.
-Player1 points out this is incorrect, then vents a bit about how he feels that site is very biased.
-Other people respond, defending themselves, and go off on tangents
-Because of tangents and people not understand what other people are saying, the argument just gets more convoluted.


SECTION 2: Analysis of the "SquareEnix May Release Games for 360"

My stance is simply the fact that people have not been "thinking critically." Critical thinking has a very specific definition. By thinking critically, I mean that you examine an argument and situation from every direction. You examine all the facts that make up the situation, and then you examine the big picture. After examining the situation from each angle and taking all relevant facts and information into account, you then make an informed decision.

Now, let's start again and lets think about it critically.

The article at IGN states that S/E may or may not release their games for 360. The way the statement was worded makes things even more ambiguous. Essentially, nothing concrete is provided by the quote.

First, lets analyze the context; the quote is made on the launch day of DragonQuest VIII.

Next, you must examine the REASON why the quote was made. Spokespeople don't simply say things on a whim, especially when they're being interviewed (unless you're retarded).

Some possible reasons the quote was made
1. To create PR on the day of the DQVIII launch.
2. To try and scare Sony and get better deals with them somehow
3. To let their fans know

Giving vague hypothetical statements is a stupid way to announce things to your fans, so number three is out. As far as I can tell, no GOOD PR was created so reason one is unlikely. That leaves number two, unless someone else has a better idea.

Now lets take the hypothetical situation that S/E DOES release games for 360. It is agreed that if Sony loses S/E exclusivity, they will be hurt for a number of reasons. It was mentioned that there are different defintions of exclusives, including limited-time exclusives. It is agreed that if the S/E games were released on the 360 a year or later after the PS3 versions, then Sony would not be as severely damaged.

The above is assuming that Sony allows the loss of their position with S/E. I think everyone agrees that they don't want that, and that they're not stupid enough to let it happen.

Did I miss anything?


SECTION 3: How EvilAvatar is not conforming to journalistic standards. What needs to change.

As I've already mentioned, my concern is that EvilAvatar is supposed to be a "News" site. People read it as such and expect to get the truth. Journalists are supposed to report the "truth" and be unbiased. Unfortunately, it has been proven that most of those that submit the news are extremely biased. It is one thing to make a decision or opinion based on facts, but it is entirely another thing to report your opinion as "fact." This website provides the latter. For instance, it is obvious that the majority of the reporters prefer the 360. That in itself isn't a bad thing, it is only a bad thing when it prevents you from reporting all the facts.

What Evil Avatar needs is this: reporting on FACTS from ALL angles. This means the good and bad on both Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo. From these facts, you can write an editorial if you wish to suggest a conclusion. However, you cannot simply report your conclusion as fact. Think critically and report critically. If you tell me that Sony is "fucking themselves in the ass" and show me nothing to back it up except a feeling, then you shouldn't be posting news.

Any questions? Am I clear or do I need to explain something better?

[Zeal]

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[Player 1]

One of the best posts I've ever read on Evil Avatar followed, 4 minutes later, by one of the worst.

What a shame.

[bapenguin]

....
SECTION 1: How this argument got started:
-Article released stating that S/E may or may not support 360.
-Evil avatar links the article, and a few people (notably the editor) jump to the conclusion and insinuate that the deal is good as done.

And right there is where you lose integrity. Apparantly you don't understand how this site works. The article, it was submited by Borys. Who is Borys? Well he's just like you except he's been a long long time. Why is Borys just like you? Because HE submitted the article and he put his commentary in it and has to wait for approval.

The editor of the article in this case would be me. I approved the article after checking the links. I hit a button, I approve it, it shows up. End of story. Remember, while myself, Evil Avatar, Everlost_MI, fitbabits or Liquidize105 maybe post stuff...not everything that is posted is from the previously mentioned EA Staff.

This is a site gets a large chunk of its content from the user base...don't like what they have to say? Tough shit. It's what differentiates US from sites like BluesNews, Shacknews, IGN, etc etc.

If you are looking for "facts from all angles" and such...you are on the wrong site...so leave. The facts from all angles comes from the user commentary following an article. We aren't IGN. We aren't 1UP. We aren't Gamespy. We are a "blog-ish" site.

[Murmillo]

What Evil Avatar needs is this: reporting on FACTS from ALL angles. This means the good and bad on both Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo. From these facts, you can write an editorial if you wish to suggest a conclusion. However, you cannot simply report your conclusion as fact. Think critically and report critically. If you tell me that Sony is "fucking themselves in the ass" and show me nothing to back it up except a feeling, then you shouldn't be posting news.

Any questions? Am I clear or do I need to explain something better?

How long HAVE you been reading here? Back when the 360 dual SKU annoucement was made, the 360 was trashed up and down the street 60 times over. When Microsoft was fuzzy about thier idea of BC, people went double ape shit. When a few games got delayed, it was clearly Microsoft fault.

Currently Microsoft has cleaned up a bit and is looking good for thier launch, but as for Sony and the PS3, it still stinking from thier camp and people are getting a bit.. hostile. Wait until (if) Sony does something great and this place will turn pro-PS3 for the next 2 months - the moods of this site flows as the news comes.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

Lots of ground to cover here...I'll try to keep this fairly brief...


As for the PC releases and FFXI on the 360, those all came out significantly after the original release on the Sony console.

Being picky here, but FFXI did actually come out on the PC in the US before the PS2 US debut.


I'll try to not disappoint you during the Halo 3 launch. I'm sure Reanimated will follow :)

Good!! Something to look forward to then. :) I await the day when we can resume the Great Halo Wars.

So, essentially, the conclusion of these words for those who don't want to wade through the bullshit:
...

Just beautiful.

Get off your fucking high horse, we're all stubborn pricks, and if you really want to get your point across don't go about doing so by telling us all how stupid we are.

Amen. Your whole post was spot-on. The guy's obviously out to get it, and then he has the gall to deny it. Pathetic.


You know what the best part of a brutal multimillion dollar fight is? Roasting marshmallows over the loser's corporate headquarters.

Even better: roasting marshmallows over Player 1's pwned corpse. :D

...and if you don't think exclusives are important, you're not thinking.

Exclusives are the only reason people bought a gamecube this generation, fyi.

Bingo. I wouldn't own a Gamecube if it wasn't for exclusives. Nintendo's excellent titles sell me their hardware. The top-notch build quality of it helps, but it would be useless without their games to back it up.

Let's get out of here and go play some golf or something. Or whatever you Polish folk do. I'm game. Retarded people make my sphincter itch.

I scratch that itch for you baby. ;)


Alright, now I'm off to Omaha to sit with my grandfather in the hospital. :(

[Player 1]

Amen. Your whole post was spot-on. The guy's obviously out to get it, and then he has the gall to deny it. Pathetic.

Fuck me. You guys either don't listen or are just so happy to call them liars that you just don't care. That's a real nice attitude you've got there.

When you're ME you can tell me about ME. If you're not me you're not qualified to make that judgement call are you?

Even better: roasting marshmallows over Player 1's pwned corpse. :D

Ah, so good to know that you're so much better than those others you accuse of "being out to get it". :D

Bingo. I wouldn't own a Gamecube if it wasn't for exclusives. Nintendo's excellent titles sell me their hardware. The top-notch build quality of it helps, but it would be useless without their games to back it up.

WOAH NELLY!

So, losing exclusives = bad, keeping exclusives = good? Is that what you're saying?

So how come all those great exclusives on your Gamecube did diddly-squat for Nintendo's market demographic? If those ultra-shit-hot exclusives meant so much then why didn't Gamecube sales shit all over PS2 and Xbox combined?

If, by your example, having the best exclusives means having the smallest installed user-base, the least retail support and regarded as coming third in a race of three then exclusives really don't count for much - even when they remain exclusive.

So, like I say, I don't see Sony suffering that much even if any of this SPECULATION became reality..


<cue predictable responses about how "Nintendo exclusives are the BEST!!!" which actually has no relevance in this debate at all - because exclusives don't automatically result in quality games>

Cheers for the support MG!

[Taco]

As I've already mentioned, my concern is that EvilAvatar is supposed to be a "News" site. People read it as such and expect to get the truth. Journalists are supposed to report the "truth" and be unbiased. Unfortunately, it has been proven that most of those that submit the news are extremely biased. It is one thing to make a decision or opinion based on facts, but it is entirely another thing to report your opinion as "fact." This website provides the latter. For instance, it is obvious that the majority of the reporters prefer the 360. That in itself isn't a bad thing, it is only a bad thing when it prevents you from reporting all the facts.

Anyone with this opinion should just leave. Seriously. I'm glad we don't cater to that crowd.

And Player1 is a clueless penis. I used to think he just had a different point of view. But no, just some typical moron.

[Player 1]

Hey Taco, I'm beginning to think you don't love me.

As I've already mentioned, my concern is that EvilAvatar is supposed to be a "News" site. People read it as such and expect to get the truth. Journalists are supposed to report the "truth" and be unbiasedAnyone with this opinion should just leave. Seriously. I'm glad we don't cater to that crowd.

You're glad you don't cater to the crowd of gamers who want truthful news?

Seriously....? Cool - SPOnG, Joystiq and now Evil Avatar can be regarded as THE sources of bullshit news for 'don't want reality' gamers the world over. Silly me, I assumed Evil Avatar wanted a GOOD reputation, not a trashy one. :rolleyes:



I really love the way this community deals with opposing points of view. Name-calling and personal insults on a forum really make you stand out from that childish mentality that the gamer culture is so often accused of.

You sure know how to prove people right! Way to go!

[Taco]

Yeah, I tend to result to childish insults if someone reaches that special level of ignorance. Only reserved for a select few.

Attempting to talk over everyone, using blanket generalizations and backhanded insults don't put you above the rest, I'm sad to say.

[Player 1]

Yeah, I tend to result to childish insults if someone reaches that special level of ignorance. Only reserved for a select few.

Are.. are you Jack Thompson by any chance?

[Onea]

Bapenguin: Editors are responsible for the content of their journal. It doesn't matter who or what wrote the article, when you click "approve post," you are responsible for its content.

It is a fact that EvilAvatar is a highly regarded and high traffic site. It hurts to see so many people swayed by what they "think" is news, but is in reality someone's opinion. It's simply bad journalism.

Murmillo: You're inadvertantly backing up my point. The very fact that the "facts" reported constantly change is terrible. I realize that facts can change if you find out that they were "untrue" (say the source is a liar), but facts shouldn't change just because of OPINION.

I'm not against expressing your opinion. By all means, debate which are your favorite games. My issue is that people are equating opinion to fact, and this is simply wrong.

I'm not even going to talk about Taco. Appairently he doesn't like "facts" or "truth" or "journalism" or "thinking." Not only that, he also thinks so highly of himself that he refuses to even look for the validities of my argument. Anyone who dismisses a valid critizism because "I don't like you" can go to hell.

[JediSanf]

...
So, like I say, I don't see Sony suffering that much even if any of this SPECULATION became reality..


Player 1, what precisely do you mean when you use the word suffering and what are your parameters for "that much"? We seem to be circling around a more refined issue that requires more precise language.

It seems to me that there is a significant minority of gamers (such as myself) who hold absolutly no loyalty to the console manufacturers and instead follow where the developers lead. As such, we will select whichever console hosts the most of said developers. For this generation that, for me, was Sony, due to publishers like SquareEnix, Rockstar, Polyphony Digital, et. al. I was willing to wait for KOTOR and other time-limited XBox exclusive games and purchase them on PC thus negating my need for a XBox. Should Square announce at E3 '06 (when this decision will be finialized) that they will publish on the 360 within a fair (6 month ~ 1 year) time limit, I will more than likely NOT purchase a PS3.

I doubt that I am the only one with this view. If those in limbo, as it were, follow suit, I would say Sony has suffered.

P.S. MG, best wishes to your grandfather.

[Taco]

Appairently he doesn't like "facts" or "truth" or "journalism" or "thinking." Not only that, he also thinks so highly of himself that he refuses to even look for the validities of my argument. Anyone who dismisses a valid critizism because "I don't like you" can go to hell.

The fact is the link. The rest is commentary. I'm not sure what there is not to get Onea. There are people who want bleached out or non-existent commentary. I don't. Nothing to do with me thinking highly of myself. It's 100% opinion and there's nothing to argue really.

And for the record(and I know you don't care;)), I have no problems with you.

[thFOOL]

If those ultra-shit-hot exclusives meant so much then why didn't Gamecube sales shit all over PS2 and Xbox combined?

If, by your example, having the best exclusives means having the smallest installed user-base, the least retail support and regarded as coming third in a race of three then exclusives really don't count for much - even when they remain exclusive.

Nintendo may have come in third in sales, but they came in FIRST in profit. You don't have to be first to make a buck, and their strategy, while not the best, was good enough to keep them in the black (and even the green).

And it was all because of those exclusives. If they hadn't had those, and yes, they were good, we would be mourning the loss of Nintendo by now.

[Onea]

I think it would be better if the editor comments (the ones in italics right under the news post) should be placed with the rest of the comments. Those comments are very opinionated. If someone were to scan the front page, it is most likely that they would simply read the titles of each news post and the editor commentaries. It is very likely that they would take the editor's comments as fact, which clearly they aren't.

[TheBrainKills]

I really love the way this community deals with opposing points of view. Name-calling and personal insults on a forum really make you stand out from that childish mentality that the gamer culture is so often accused of.


one post later ....


Are.. are you Jack Thompson by any chance?

lol ... Seriously Player 1 your Sig just makes you look like a fool.

Disclaimer:The comments provided by me is in no way indicative of the Evil Avatar community and therefore should not construed as Fact or Fiction, just one mans opinion.

[Taco]

Disclaimer:The comments provided by me is in no way indicative of the Evil Avatar community and therefore should not construed as Fact or Fiction, just one mans opinion.

Hehe nice.

Fair enough Onea, wouldn't bother me either way in that case. Keeping in mind, this site had been around for at least 5 years now, and they've only been accepting news submissions from the general populace for the last 6 months or so(unless I missed something). It's a relativley new process.

[thFOOL]

I think it would be better if the editor comments (the ones in italics right under the news post) should be placed with the rest of the comments. Those comments are very opinionated. If someone were to scan the front page, it is most likely that they would simply read the titles of each news post and the editor commentaries. It is very likely that they would take the editor's comments as fact, which clearly they aren't.

So "Daily Gaming News.... With Attitude!" doesn't spell things out clearly enough for you? This site has never claimed to be anything more than an editorial on current events in the gaming world.

[Taco]

Eh, actually scratch my ageement ;). I skimmed it and read your post as saying the commentary should be kept to the italicized section, which is fine. I don't think it should be taken off the main page. If I wanted that I'd go to Blues or one of the corporate sites.

The bottom line is most sites get complaints like this from a poster or two. EA certainly has for as long as I've been coming here. I just don't get this particular point of view. I can form my own opinion just fine and I really don't think it's easy to confuse those bits with fact.

Bottom line, this is a hobbiest site. Not the BBC or CNN.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

When you're ME you can tell me about ME. If you're not me you're not qualified to make that judgement call are you?

Jesus, you really take the whole Pot/Kettle paradigm to a whole new level. Do you even read what you type? Are you freewriting? If so that would clear up a lot of confusion as to where all this sillyness comes from.


Ah, so good to know that you're so much better than those others you accuse of "being out to get it". :D

Where did I claim this? Oh that's right - no where!


So, losing exclusives = bad, keeping exclusives = good? Is that what you're saying?

Well, you are speculating here (OMG NOS!!) but yes, I fully agree with what you just wrote.


So how come all those great exclusives on your Gamecube did diddly-squat for Nintendo's market demographic? If those ultra-shit-hot exclusives meant so much then why didn't Gamecube sales shit all over PS2 and Xbox combined?

Well it sure as hell sold the console to Nintendo fans. There are MANY companies out there that try to cater to a specific market. You don't see MINI trying to take over the whole car market - why does the console market have to have a "winner"??

If, by your example, having the best exclusives means having the smallest installed user-base, the least retail support and regarded as coming third in a race of three then exclusives really don't count for much - even when they remain exclusive.

What? How on Earth would having the best=exclusives ever automatically equal having the smallest user base? I don't even quite get what you are trying to say here. You're just playing word games and putting things in my mouth. Talk about speculating and "moving the goal posts."

I said that Nintendo's exclusive titles sell their console, which is just plain fact. Only an idiot would argue that this is not the case.


<cue predictable responses about how "Nintendo exclusives are the BEST!!!" which actually has no relevance in this debate at all - because exclusives don't automatically result in quality games>

Well, I personally love Nintendo titles. I'm not going to say that they are the BEST DEVELOPER EVER!!!, but I still love their games enough to buy their hardware. I don't understand how you can hold the opinion that exclusives don't sell consoles and try to pass this off as fact. What exactly sells consoles then??? Namebrand has something to do with it I suppose, but games that cannot be found elsewhere are a HUGE, HUGE factor. If every game came out on every platform then the whole market would be very different.

Cheers for the support MG!

Thanks. I'm glad we can have an argument yet remain somewhat civil.

Unfortunately I am not going to make it to Omaha afterall. We had the first snow of the year today, and my dad called from a payphone to tell me that the Interstate is a sheet of ice - cars and semis are all over the ditches. I'm going to have to stay home afterall. :(


P.S. MG, best wishes to your grandfather.

Thanks. His health has been declining for quite some time, and I'm pretty sure this is about it.

[nonchalance]

So, essentially, the conclusion of these words for those who don't want to wade through the bullshit:

Fact summary:
A simultaneous release of these for PS3 and 360 would be bad for Sony. A limited exclusivity would sting, but not much. Both are mere possibilities, Square has said nothing else.

Bullshit summary:
Everyone gangbanged Player 1 except Taco, he went for the kill. TrackZero thinks Onea is a mutant Player 1 alias from another world designed to kill Xbox fanboys. I ate hamburgers for lunch.

That is all.

Man, can someone edit that into the first post?
Then nobody else will have to suffer through this stupid fucking thread.

[Borys]

DAILY GAMING NEWS is the non-italized part with the quote.

WITH ATTITUDE is the italized commentary.

Here's a tip when reading EA: the commentary is something like "first post". It's totally subjective and always represents submitter's (not editor's!) thoughts on the subject.

You want objective news? Don't read the commentary, IGNORE it.

There's virtually NO difference between the NEWS I submitted and the story on IGN, GameSpot etc.

It's the commentary that makes it spicy. And it is one of the reasons why I fell in love with EA.com long, long time ago.

[TheBrainKills]

I agree with Borys


In the end ... if you don't like the comments when news items submitted ignore them or submit some yourself with your own twisted version of reality.

[bapenguin]

DAILY GAMING NEWS is the non-italized part with the quote.

WITH ATTITUDE is the italized commentary.

Here's a tip when reading EA: the commentary is something like "first post". It's totally subjective and always represents submitter's (not editor's!) thoughts on the subject.

You want objective news? Don't read the commentary, IGNORE it.

There's virtually NO difference between the NEWS I submitted and the story on IGN, GameSpot etc.

It's the commentary that makes it spicy. And it is one of the reasons why I fell in love with EA.com long, long time ago.


Exactly. Player 1, Onea, if you are looking for something else...this site is NOT for you. Don't try to change it...it's not going to happen.

[Murmillo]

Exactly. Player 1, Onea, if you are looking for something else...this site is NOT for you. Don't try to change it...it's not going to happen. I think Kotaku and Joystik are more up thier alley for a "news" site... :rolleyes:

[Kelegacy]

I like cake.

Did I miss anything while I was wasting 109 minutes of my life watching The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? I want to poke my eyes out.

I still might, after reading all of this.

[Exodus]

Fuck me. You guys either don't listen or are just so happy to call them liars that you just don't care. That's a real nice attitude you've got there.

When you're ME you can tell me about ME. If you're not me you're not qualified to make that judgement call are you?



Ah, so good to know that you're so much better than those others you accuse of "being out to get it". :D



WOAH NELLY!

So, losing exclusives = bad, keeping exclusives = good? Is that what you're saying?

So how come all those great exclusives on your Gamecube did diddly-squat for Nintendo's market demographic? If those ultra-shit-hot exclusives meant so much then why didn't Gamecube sales shit all over PS2 and Xbox combined?

If, by your example, having the best exclusives means having the smallest installed user-base, the least retail support and regarded as coming third in a race of three then exclusives really don't count for much - even when they remain exclusive.

So, like I say, I don't see Sony suffering that much even if any of this SPECULATION became reality..


<cue predictable responses about how "Nintendo exclusives are the BEST!!!" which actually has no relevance in this debate at all - because exclusives don't automatically result in quality games>

Cheers for the support MG!

I'll take this time to point out that the GC exclusives were the ONLY reason it survived. Wow, think about what you're saying, hey the gc didn't do so great even though it had exclusives? ever stop to think that maybe the only reason the gc even treaded water was because of its exclusives? jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
And god, that new zelda game coming out makes me froth at the mouth and really makes me toy with the idea of a GC. My god, me buy a console for a game? who the hell does that? oh wait! everyone! that's what gaming consoles are for. GAMES.

[KamaItachi]

I like cake.

Did I miss anything while I was wasting 109 minutes of my life watching The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? I want to poke my eyes out.

I still might, after reading all of this.

Yeah, I was really disappointed too. I don't know what I was expecting, but after seeing the same jokes in tv, books, radio, games, comics... they just lose their allure.

[Exodus]

Yeah, I was really disappointed too. I don't know what I was expecting, but after seeing the same jokes in tv, books, radio, games, comics... they just lose their allure.

Yah, I was disappointed, following the norm, book didn't survive its movie transformation.

[Achilles]

Exclusives are a very important part of getting people to buy a console. If Squeenix suddenly became exclusive to the 360 you better believe that’ll influence which console people buy even a year before the games come out. Heck that’s why I bought a launch PS2, because I knew eventually I’d get some Square games for it and till then I’d play… well my old Square games is what I’d play because the PS2 had a crappy launch lineup.

But are you really saying Player 1 that exclusives don’t have an impact on system sales? Because you have to know that they do. The Xbox would have died instantly if Halo, Halo 2, and Splinter Cell got sim-shipped on the PS2.

If your point was that the quality of Nintendo's exclusives could be called into question based on how many systems they sold, well I'll agree with you on that even though it'll probably get me strung up.

[KamaItachi]

Yah, I was disappointed, following the norm, book didn't survive its movie transformation.

Actually, i think it was more because I'm more a fan of the radio plays than the books that I felt it had a very flat delivery. Even Rickman, who has a great voice, and Stephen Fry who has a fantastic dry delivery in the film, still can't stand uo to the character and personality of Jones as "the book" in the radio version. I just thought of every voice as perfect.

Still, one of the good things about THGttG is that there's probably a version for everyone in some media form or another. There will always be those who prefer the book over the comics, over the radio plays, over the film, over the tv series and so on.

Still, I must commend them for going with puppetry for the Vogons over CGI, I thought they looked great.

[nonchalance]

In the end ... if you don't like the comments when news items submitted ignore them or submit some yourself with your own twisted version of reality.

Worth noting that JediSanf has done the right thing: rather than doing the "there's too much anti-Sony news, I don't like it" bitch, he's gone and submitted some positive Sony news.

Nice work.

[JediSanf]

I just thought of every voice as perfect.
The radio series has my all time favorite quote (not in the books).
Zaphod: Ten out of ten for style, but minus several million for good thinking.

I couldn't believe it when that line made it into the film. Explaining to my friends why I was laughing maniacally was probably my geekest moment ever.

Have you picked up The Tertiary Phase yet? Very good work all around, especially how the adjust the book's new voice.

Nice work.
Thanks, I appreciate that.

And Player 1, any time you'd like to answer my question, feel free.

[Zeal]

It amazes me how off-topic these discussions are allowed to get.

[Player 1]

Nintendo may have come in third in sales, but they came in FIRST in profit. You don't have to be first to make a buck, and their strategy, while not the best, was good enough to keep them in the black (and even the green).

Which is a valid point - only totally irrelevant to the current discussion about the worth and significance of exclusives for a given platform.

Exactly. Player 1, Onea, if you are looking for something else...this site is NOT for you. Don't try to change it...it's not going to happen.

I'm sorry? Which top-secret freemasons club do I have to join to be allowed to express an opinion here. I don't recall reading anything about that when I registered.

It's ok, no, it's the DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC of Evil Avatar to post biased commentary on the front page of news posts but it's not ok if others respond to that commentary in a way you don't like? Your best response is "go somewhere else"? :eek:

You'll merrily get behind all your supporters - irrespective of whether it means the credibility of your site goes down the pan - rather than be objective about anything?

Freedom of speech! RIGHT ON! YEAH!*


*Unless we happen to disagree with what you say. Then we're allowed to call you names without hesitation and spend the rest of the day ignoring facts and rationale because opinion is EVERYTHING at Evil Avatar (well, certain people's opinion anyway).

Is this site run by the Chinese government or something?

[mister_slim]

With regards to this particular news post - I've just shown that "Square announcing that they're THINKING of doing something" certainly doesn't amount to more than speculation. To translate such a tenuous piece of gossip into "SONY R TEH DOMED!!!!1" by the end of the newspiece is just insanely, breathtakingly dumb.
Borys makes a 'more in sorrow than in anger' comment, in no way implying Sony was 'DOMED', and you construe it as an obituary for Sony and then criticize his intelligence? You are obviously in no position to comment on the quality of journalism.

So, a president of a company announces he's THINKING of an idea and that gets translated in "Sony are doomed". And you're still trying to justify this enormous leap of logic?
There it is again. Who made an enormous jump of logic?

When you're ME you can tell me about ME. If you're not me you're not qualified to make that judgement call are you?

Maybe you should reconsider the use of arrogance and hypocrisy as debate tactics?

Seriously....? Cool - SPOnG, Joystiq and now Evil Avatar can be regarded as THE sources of bullshit news for 'don't want reality' gamers the world over. Silly me, I assumed Evil Avatar wanted a GOOD reputation, not a trashy one.
I personally advocate we push the EvAv reputation in the direction least likely to attract more people like Player 1.

[bapenguin]

Which is a valid point - only totally irrelevant to the current discussion about the worth and significance of exclusives for a given platform.



I'm sorry? Which top-secret freemasons club do I have to join to be allowed to express an opinion here. I don't recall reading anything about that when I registered.

It's ok, no, it's the DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC of Evil Avatar to post biased commentary on the front page of news posts but it's not ok if others respond to that commentary in a way you don't like? Your best response is "go somewhere else"? :eek:

You'll merrily get behind all your supporters - irrespective of whether it means the credibility of your site goes down the pan - rather than be objective about anything?

Freedom of speech! RIGHT ON! YEAH!*


*Unless we happen to disagree with what you say. Then we're allowed to call you names without hesitation and spend the rest of the day ignoring facts and rationale because opinion is EVERYTHING at Evil Avatar (well, certain people's opinion anyway).

Is this site run by the Chinese government or something?

Man...you really like to twist things don't you. Both you and Onea have said things that "need to change" and I quote that because both of you have used that term. I was simply saying we aren't changing. Not that we are censoring you...if we were...I'd have banned your ass 3 pages ago.
But that's not us. Good day to you sir.

[Player 1]

I personally advocate we push the EvAv reputation in the direction least likely to attract more people like Player 1.

Don't worry, you're doing a fine job of it. All (well, most) the objective and thoughtful gamers, developers and journalists obviously stay well clear of Evil Avatar - leaving the trolls, haters and fanboys to bleat their rantings at one another.

Still, it's a charming attitude you have. Very neighbourly of you. It pretty much amounts to "Let's get rid of people that disagree with us - then nobody can say we're wrong!".

And I just LOVE the way you twist this whole charade of a debate so it looks like I'm the one doing the wild speculating. You have my respect just for the sheer gall of trying to get away with it.


BAP: I never once said that things 'had to change' - I merely pointed out that, in any rational world, speculation doesn't equal fact. A criticism that so many of you seem to find totally incomprehensible by your responses but one that you try to justify anyway.

[Taco]

Player1 = Rush Limbaugh?

[Player 1]

Player1 = Rush Limbaugh?

<stoops to Taco's level>

Touche! Did you think that one up yourself or did you get help from a grown up?

[mister_slim]

Touche! Did you think that one up yourself or did you get help from a grown up?
Where's that sparkling British wit?

[Player 1]

EA acquired it in a hostile takeover.

[Taco]

Running your posts through a high horse filter, without actually saying anything of substance or intellect, does not put you in an adult light. More like a teenager trying to keep up with the big boys, but only able to loosely grasp the concept on the surface.

But keep your self masturbatory posting habits up. I can't begin to imagine the mental collapse you'd have if you saw the house of cards your ego is built on.

[Player 1]

Taco,

Could it be possible for one person to display more irony?

You're funnier than you know.

[Murmillo]

It amazes me how off-topic these discussions are allowed to get.
It gives us something new to argue about. You can only bash Microsoft - Sony and Nintendo even with all thier bad news before it gets old and busted.
We like to pass the time bashing the people who like to bash the site because somebody respectable posted a personal opinion or view onto a news piece.

I mean, this isn't a Red Cloak post....