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bapenguin
11-11-2005, 05:26 AM
Gaming Mice Reviews: Part 4 The Logitech G5
by: Nicholas "bapenguin" Puleo

Welcome to the final part of my series of gaming mice reviews. Originally I was going to do a 5 part piece, but this will be the final review, as there isn’t much point in doing a wrap up piece.

Last time we looked at the Razer Copperhead (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6345). The Copperhead was a bit of disappointment in the design department, as well as a bit over priced.

This week we’ll be looking at the Logitech G5 (http://www.logitech.com).

http://www.evilavatar.com/images/reviews/mice/g5rear.thumb.jpg (http://www.evilavatar.com/images/reviews/mice/g5rear.jpg)

Technical Specifications:

• Logitech Gaming-Grade laser for precision tracking
• Full-speed USB data transfer – 500 reports per second
• Resolution of up to 2000 dpi – includes on-the-fly sensitivity shifting
• 6.4 megapixels of image processing per second
• Improved glide across surfaces with polytertrafluoroethylene mouse feet
• Outrigger foot for gamers who like to skate provides extra glide when the mouse is rocked to the left and makes contact with a surface
• 16 miniature round weights – eight weighing 1.7 grams and eight weighing 4.5 grams
provide the ultimate in customization. Any combination of up to eight weights fits into a
small cartridge that can be inserted into the base of the mouse


The review and impressions of the G5 will be from someone with average sized hands.

Style/Comfort:

Oh Billy is the G5 a sexy mouse. Every G5 mouse has a completely unique paint job. The process by which they create the look for the mouse is pretty neat. Each mouse gets a 3 layer paint job of rust red, smoke black and silver. After the 7 step painting process each mouse is hand polished with sandpaper and then finished with a Logitech logo. While the mouse lacks any led lights or similar style features, this is by far the most attractive mouse of the bunch.

http://www.evilavatar.com/images/reviews/mice/g5side.thumb.jpg (http://www.evilavatar.com/images/reviews/mice/g5side.jpg) http://www.evilavatar.com/images/reviews/mice/g5top.thumb.jpg (http://www.evilavatar.com/images/reviews/mice/g5top.jpg)


The mouse’s size and shape is very similar to the MX518, with the G5 being only slightly wider and slightly higher. Logitech removed one of the side buttons, and added a tilt style wheel to the mouse. Logitech also added a little DPI level indicator on the mouse to show you what resolution the mouse is in while you cycle through the 3 on the fly sensitivity adjustments.

The bottom of the mouse has HUGE oversize slick feet, making it one of the smoothest mousing experiences you’ll ever have.
http://www.evilavatar.com/images/reviews/mice/glidepads.thumb.jpg (http://www.evilavatar.com/images/reviews/mice/glidepads.jpg)


Features/Drivers:

I haven’t really talked about the drivers in the passed with the mice, but the G5 really is something special once you install the Logitech Set Point software.

Out of the box, you get 3 DPI adjustments for the G5 (400, 800, 2000). When you install the G5 software you can customize the 3 adjustments as well as add 2 more for a total of 5. You can set the mouse to any DPI resolution between 400 and 2000 in increments of 10. Not only that, you can set the DPI resolution independently for the X and Y axis for the mouse. All that sounds impressive, but Logitech took it a bit farther. You can set 5 custom DPI resolutions PER game on your PC. So each game can have it’s own profile that the software automatically turns on when the game is launched. I was VERY impressed.

The G5 also features an adjustable weighting cartridge. The cartridge slips into the bottom of the mouse and can hold 8 weights. The mouse comes with 16 weights totaling 36 grams (8 1.7G weights and 8 4.5G weights). It’s amazing the different feel you can get by placing weights in different locations in the cartridge. Personally, I only put 2 1.7G weights on the left side of the cartridge. I like a lighter feel for the mouse.

Gaming/Windows:

The mouse is solid in gaming just as the other gaming mice I reviewed. It performed slightly better than the 518 and Copperhead, but the big difference is how smooth it plays. The huge glide pads make it extremely easy to aim. I used the mouse in Battlefield 2, F.E.A.R., Serious Sam 2, as well as Guild Wars and after numerous long gaming sessions still found the mouse extremely comfortable and it was incredibly accurate.

Because of the removal of the “forward” button on the mouse, browsing the Internet was a bit different because I was unable to go back and forward between web pages and explorer windows like normal. I had to set up the tilt wheel in the drivers to do this function instead. After a while I got used to it, and the loss of the button does not bother me anymore.

Other Impressions:
Here is fellow Evil Avatar reader Knite’s impressions: (someone with large hands)

What can I say about the G5 but.... wow! First off, the thing is gorgeous! The curves are all smooth, and not angular. Movement accuracy is again, quite nice and an improvement on the 518. In fact, this mouse moves as smooth as the Razer twins, while being taller and a little heavier. The glide pads used are HUUUUGE and seriously help the smoothness of this mouse. The sides of the mouse are textured, and I just can't see even the possibility of having trouble with the fingers slipping off. Accuracy is dead on and the resolution adjustments are at your fingertips like the 518. At first, it appears to have less buttons than the rest (3), but with being able to click the scroll wheel in, left, or right, that gives another 3 inputs for a total of 6, plus the wheel itself. However, for typical "back/forward" in browsers, you'll need to load the Logitech drivers to set that. And get this; it has a weighting kit that does NOT void your warranty! It works very well and is noticeable without being overwhelming. The only drawback I see to this is price, but damn is it a fine piece of equipment.
To borrow a line from Romero, the G5 will make you its bitch.

For gamers with smaller hands this mouse is a nice fit, being only slightly larger than a MX518.

Conclusion:

If you don’t own a gaming mouse, this is the mouse to buy. It’s not the cheapest mouse on the block, coming in at $69.99, but you really get what you pay for, quality. This mouse has the most features, and greatest flexibility of any of the gaming mice I reviewed. The drivers are incredible, and the amount of customization that can be done is incredibly valuable. On top of all this, the mouse looks great and is extremely comfortable, and to top it off it comes with an adjustable weighting system to customize it further to your needs. Make no mistake about it, THIS is the gaming mouse you want.

Rating:
http://www.evilavatar.com/images/icons/e5.jpg
5 out of 5 Evil Eyes.

Recap:

Razer Diamondback Plasma (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5212)
+ Lefty or Righty Mouse
+ Sexy Look
+ Incredibly accurate
- A bit big for people with smaller hands
- Gets uncomfortable after long use

Logitech MX518 (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5415)
+ Comfortable
+ Nice implementation of on the fly resolution adjustments
- Not quite as accurate as some others
- Righty only mouse

Razer Copperhead (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6345)
+ 2000DPI Accuracy
? On board Ram
- Expensive
- GloRails make it Uncomfortable to use
- Weighting system extra and voids warranty

Logitech G5 (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2142,CONTENTID=10715)
+ 2000 DPI Accuracy
+ Incredibly Comfortable
+ Amazing Looking mouse
+ Weighting System
? Loss of button but you gain 2 with the tilt wheel
- Righty only mouse


Knite’s Final Verdict:
The Must Buy: Logitech G5
The Cheaper Buy: Razer Diamondback
The rest (I don't like enough to buy): Logitech MX518, Razer Copperhead


One quick side note, if you want to see some crazy hi-resolution shots I took of this mouse, head on over here (http://www.happyapplefarm.net/images/mouse/) to check them out. They came out really cool in my opinion.

Thanks to everyone for reading these reviews. Coming up next I'll be reviewing a Creative Labs X-Fi (http://www.creativelabs.com) sound card. We'll see if it's all it's cracked up to be coming in at a whopping 120 bucks. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829102188)

fitbabits
11-11-2005, 05:56 AM
For the longest time I thought a mouse was a mouse was, well, a mouse. Your reviews have been both educational and humbling. The G5 is now at the top of my Chrimble list.

Excellent series of articles all round.

Oh, and the hi-res shots are impressive! The second shot, though, reminds me of J. Allard! :)

Taco
11-11-2005, 07:26 AM
I've changed the DPI buttons into buttons I can use in games, so I don't miss tje extra button on the side as much. And I love telling non techies at work that I have a mouse that you can adjust the weight of.

I don't use any wieghts though, I like it as light as possible. I also wish the side grips were rubber like on the MX1000, but I wouldn't even notice it if it wasn't for the 1000.

InstaPete
11-11-2005, 07:30 AM
We've been playing with that at work. It's ridiculous. The on-the-fly sensitivity adjustment is a crazy smart idea.

Great review. You should do some on gaming keyboards. Logitech made a ridiculous one that's paired up with this mouse with a little screen displaying in-game information. It's real cool.

Morratut
11-11-2005, 07:34 AM
Good review. I'm tempted but my money is going somewhere else in a few weeks.Maybe the new year.

Do these mice actually make a difference? I've got a 3 button optical Dell mouse. I thought they was all the same just with more lights and buttons?

bapenguin
11-11-2005, 07:38 AM
Great review. You should do some on gaming keyboards. Logitech made a ridiculous one that's paired up with this mouse with a little screen displaying in-game information. It's real cool.

Working on it. I'm on a list for the G15 Gaming keyboard from Logitech. I'd also like to get the Saitek Eclipse for a review. So we'll see what happens.

Stormwatcher
11-11-2005, 07:52 AM
Good review. I'm tempted but my money is going somewhere else in a few weeks.Maybe the new year.

Do these mice actually make a difference? I've got a 3 button optical Dell mouse. I thought they was all the same just with more lights and buttons?

I tought like that, then I bought a MX500. It is not nearly as good as the ones reviewed here, but it is already a hell lot better than any "regular" mice.

Gpig
11-11-2005, 10:11 AM
I've been using a g5 since it came out in stores a little while ago and the smoothness really is great. You'll get the same smoothness with a copperhead if you like the shape, but even though I loved the mx300 I found the diamondback I owned to be too long although I think I could have gotten used to it eventually.

TheKeck
11-11-2005, 10:18 AM
So, this is the definitive buy, eh? We'll see what christmas can do for me.

MrMeatshake
11-11-2005, 10:56 AM
I tought like that, then I bought a MX500. It is not nearly as good as the ones reviewed here, but it is already a hell lot better than any "regular" mice.

is my standard, 5 year old *** optical mouse the reason for being ownz0r0zed in CS:S, then? (please tell me it's so!)

TrackZero
11-11-2005, 11:09 AM
Awesome review, I figured you'd save the best for last. ;) Looks like I know what new mouse to get.

bapenguin
11-11-2005, 11:11 AM
is my standard, 5 year old *** optical mouse the reason for being ownz0r0zed in CS:S, then? (please tell me it's so!)

Nah...you just suck. ;)

Skjef
11-11-2005, 11:49 AM
Working on it. I'm on a list for the G15 Gaming keyboard from Logitech. I'd also like to get the Saitek Eclipse for a review. So we'll see what happens.
Would you consider reviewing the Wolf Claw v2 (http://www.wolfclaw.com.sg/index.php)?

I really liked your mouse reviews, and would be very interested in hearing your opinion of this keyboard before I drop any cash on it.

angelofrage
11-11-2005, 01:36 PM
Excellent review. I already own a G5 and have been very impressed with it, but its always nice to see that other people see the benefits of a quality mouse. Worth every penny in my book, especially since the mouse is the part of your PC that (along with the keyboard) you use the most often and in all applications. People will spend hundreds on a new GFX card for a small increase in FPS in a couple of games, yet balk at spending £50 (UK here) on a new mouse.

I don't often post although ive been a reader for a long time, but i felt i should to express intrest in a Gaming Keyboard review. I've been looking at various keyboards (G15, Saitek, Wolf, Raptor K1, etc) but am having trouble working out which is worth spending money on. Keep up the good work.

Neosho
11-11-2005, 01:50 PM
Would you consider reviewing the Wolf Claw v2 (http://www.wolfclaw.com.sg/index.php)?

I really liked your mouse reviews, and would be very interested in hearing your opinion of this keyboard before I drop any cash on it.

AHAHAHA. Sorry, i'm reminded of the EZ-board. I'd have to say that any keyboard setup like that is...not the best. Think about how you type normally. Then think about how you're going to have to readjust. Look at where the "T" key is, it's directly across from the D key. Now, next time you're fragging in whatever game you're playing, you make a move for the T key to chat, and you hit 0. or 8. or you try to reload and end up hitting 4 and 5 at the same time.

I'm sure you could adjust, but then when you go back to typing, everytime you have to hit a T you hit an f or a g instead.

Then again, this is just my opinion, and i've always thought that keyboards like that were totally moronic.

TrackZero
11-11-2005, 02:04 PM
Would you consider reviewing the Wolf Claw v2 (http://www.wolfclaw.com.sg/index.php)?

I really liked your mouse reviews, and would be very interested in hearing your opinion of this keyboard before I drop any cash on it.

Interesting keyboard design, I wouldn't mind seeing a review of it myself.

bapenguin
11-11-2005, 02:23 PM
Interesting keyboard design, I wouldn't mind seeing a review of it myself.

I'll see what I can do.

The Iron Weasel
11-11-2005, 02:26 PM
I'm quite happy with my MX518 and Saitek Gaming Keyboard (IT GLOWS BLUE!!!)

GeW
11-11-2005, 11:09 PM
I have been trying to figure out something about the G5 from the moment it was anounced by Logitech. Don't mouse feet wear down, especially on hard surface gamepads? I don't know if it's made out of a different material, but the feet on my MSIE 3.0 have worn, and worn unevenly so that the mouse rocks a tiny bit from side to side.

Mouse tape is used by most to decrease friction, but that also serves to prevent wear of the feet. No teflon tape that I've come across is wide enough for the G5 feet. I'd hate to be mailing away for replacement feet or sending my mouse in to Logitech, so this question is a big reason I have not yet bought this mouse.

Do you, bapenguin, or anyone else have any thoughts on this?

51|RandoM
11-12-2005, 01:58 AM
I don't think the g5/g7 feet will wear like a normal mouse, because they're so big.

i just played sniper elite for 12 hours, the mouse feet look the same they did when I unpacked it yesterday afternoon. :-)

Suicidal ShiZuru
11-12-2005, 03:39 AM
Saitek Eclipse owns all other keyboards. Also Im happy with my Razer Diamondback... I prefer the utlra sensitive mouse buttons over the Logitech. I was a huge fan of the mx510 but theyre all just way too bulky now.

I have never had problems with the botttom of a mouse wearing down. On my main mouse I have these little pads on it that came with my icemat 2nd edition. Any other mouse Ive used the pads have never worn down, at least enough to notice if at all, theyve just gotten a little dirty.

By the way... that Wolf Claw "thing" looks retarded...

Nite_Moogle
11-12-2005, 01:16 PM
They took away a thumb button? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo!

How tough is the center button to use left/right? I have a MS Wireless at work that is almost impossible to click either side to side or to just push down. Hopefully it's pretty easy like the MX5xx series, I have a 516 and I love it.

bapenguin
11-12-2005, 01:53 PM
How tough is the center button to use left/right? I have a MS Wireless at work that is almost impossible to click either side to side or to just push down. Hopefully it's pretty easy like the MX5xx series, I have a 516 and I love it.

It's very easy to click left and right witht he scroll wheel. CLicking down is a bit tougher, but not much.

angelofrage
11-12-2005, 03:37 PM
They took away a thumb button? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo!

How tough is the center button to use left/right? I have a MS Wireless at work that is almost impossible to click either side to side or to just push down. Hopefully it's pretty easy like the MX5xx series, I have a 516 and I love it.

The mouse wheel feels alot nicer then my old MS one. On that one i found it very difficult to to push the wheel down without also going to the side. With my G5 the wheel seems alot more stable and firm, yet it isn't hard to tilt it from side to side. Not making much sense i know, but it is alot better...

Nite_Moogle
11-12-2005, 09:59 PM
It's very easy to click left and right witht he scroll wheel. CLicking down is a bit tougher, but not much.
My current control setups all use the middle mouse button to engage Ventrilo. I also use the thumb buttons quite a bit (throw a grenade/steady aim in CoD2, pick up kit/map in BF2, - and = hotkeys in WoW, etc). It's good for me since I can have voice chat engaged and click the thumb buttons at the same time. Would it even be possible to use the left/right click to do these things or would I have to revamp my control schemes?

Why did they get rid of that extra thumb button? Grr..

51|RandoM
11-13-2005, 12:56 PM
On the thumb buttons, I only used the one in the back position, since that is where my thumb rests anyways. I didn't like reaching for the front one.

On the g7, if you use it 8+ hours a day, you will be swapping the battery out daily. It is quick and easy though, so no big deal I suppose.