View Full Version : AMD "chip"ping away at Intel...
Knite
11-08-2005, 11:22 AM
It appears that AMD is making strides in their quest to knock Intel down a notch.
Desktop computers and notebooks with AMD chips accounted for 49.8 percent of PCs sold in domestic stores for the month, compared with Intel's 48.5 percent of the market, according to the Current Analysis report.
CNet's NEWS.COM has the whole story here (http://news.com.com/AMD+surpasses+Intel+in+U.S.+retail+stores/2100-1006_3-5939522.html?tag=nefd.top).
I'd love to add something clever...
The Great Gatsby
11-08-2005, 11:27 AM
I'd love to add something clever...
Then why don't you? Isn't this what the site is all about? Gaming news with an attitude.
Knite
11-08-2005, 11:30 AM
I used all my creative cleverness on thinking of the title. =P
XenonCJ
11-08-2005, 11:33 AM
Of course you may want to note that 99.99999% of x86 Corporate servers are Intel. Probably similar in the corporate desktop and laptop space as well. That's where the real profit is anyway.... Consumer PC market operates on razor thin margins, so who cares?
bapenguin
11-08-2005, 11:34 AM
Of course you may want to note that 99.99999% of x86 Corporate servers are Intel. Probably similar in the corporate desktop and laptop space as well. That's where the real profit is anyway.... Consumer PC market operates on razor thin margins, so who cares?
I don't think it's that high anymore. The Opteron 64 stuff has made quite a dent...
TheKeck
11-08-2005, 11:42 AM
Then why don't you? Isn't this what the site is all about? Gaming news with an attitude.
There is a difference between not do something because you aren't allowed and not doing something because you are incapable of doing it. :)
The Iron Weasel
11-08-2005, 11:53 AM
Isn't it a scientific fact that AMD is better for gaming?
Rakael
11-08-2005, 11:57 AM
AMD is a better chip IMO. I'm glad to see they are finally surpassing Intel in at least one market.
Ernst_Jager
11-08-2005, 12:21 PM
If they didn't all but force me to buy Dell (yuck) for all of my users (about 70) I would definitely go with a brand that let me use AMD chips instead. I sneak a rebuilt homemade one in with the AMD 64 chipset when I can though. I remember years ago when compatibility problems plagued AMD. I still come across people that will only buy Intel because of that.
Indeed, AMD carved a decent sized slice into the server market, that's where there superiority over the last 3 years really started paying off.
The only thing holding them back is Dell refusing to carry them. In the short term this effects server sales, in the long term desk top.
Who knows the politics behind that decision. I'm buying 350k dollars of server hardware over the next month to upgrade all our servers, we have a relationship with Dell so that's who I have to go with. You can be damned sure if they offered Opterons that Intel wouldn't be getting any sales from me. As it is I have no choice but to buy Intel.
Varsity
11-08-2005, 12:32 PM
Who makes up the remaining 1.7%?
Sparc and others I'm guessing. Don't know much about them but I'm pretty sure you can still buy Sparc powered workstations. Maybe Apple as well. "PC" tends to define a desktop vs a server in articles like this.
kickmybum
11-08-2005, 12:38 PM
AMD = rage against the machine.
Judging by the numbers you posted, it looks like AMD isn't "chipping", it already won.
PSyMastR
11-08-2005, 01:30 PM
Im glad that AMD is finally overpowering Intel, that will make Intel push out faster chips for less money and newer technology, and will in turn make AMD do the same, so the consumer wins.
nfwolfpryde
11-08-2005, 01:49 PM
Personally, I'm worried AMD is turning into "old Intel." i.e. Overpriced & Underpowered. Intel supposedly just finished prototyping their 45 nanometer process, in which they claim to have SOLVED (not just patched) the leakage problem. What does this mean? Low(er) voltage, cooler running (maybe even passively cooled) chips. We won't see em' for about 4-5 years (their 65 nanometer chips are just now on their way), so AMD might become old Intel in the meantime. I might have to switch sides.
nfwolfpryde
11-08-2005, 01:50 PM
Who makes up the remaining 1.7%?
SUN, & Via Tech should make up the rest. Texas Instruments MIGHT be included if you're getting really technical.
Personally, I'm worried AMD is turning into "old Intel." i.e. Overpriced & Underpowered.
That will never happen as long as the two are competing.
XenonCJ
11-08-2005, 02:16 PM
I don't think it's that high anymore. The Opteron 64 stuff has made quite a dent...Prove it. Define "quite a dent". In any enterprise class shop, Opteron 64 will be QUITE RARE indeed. At the company I'm at, in the 5000+ servers we have worldwide do you know how many servers are running Opterons? ZERO.
50,000+ total Desktops how many with Athlons? ZERO.
20,000+ total Laptops how many with AMD anything? ZERO.
Maybe we are the exception, but I doubt it. Not to mention I have friends at several other large enterprises and they are pretty much the same.
Like the old saying goes : "No one has ever gotten fired for suggesting Intel"
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/25/amd_ten_percent/
From not even having a product to 10% against a mainstay like Intel in two years? I'd say that's a good sized dent.
Like the old saying goes : "No one has ever gotten fired for suggesting Intel"
What does that mean? I'm sure more than a couple people have come out looking good after taking an Intel quote and cutting the bottom line price by a third with a shift to AMD.
More recent links. (http://news.google.com/news?q=opteron+market+share&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&sa=N&tab=nn&oi=newsr) It's gone up even more since July.
total
11-08-2005, 02:31 PM
SUN, & Via Tech should make up the rest. Texas Instruments MIGHT be included if you're getting really technical.
If you are talking chips, then IBM holds that. Sun (Sun sells Opteron servers now if I remember correctly) might hold .01% and Via has stopped production on their chips (no more Epia...boo). IBM still pushes PPC chips out of Apple and is powering the X360. I'm sort of doubting that IBM doesn't hold more market then 1.7% actually. If you are talking strictly x86 then Opterons and A64 based chips don't count so let's not get technical.
Sun sells Sparc mainly, Opterons are a relativley new line for them. I don't think this is strictly x86, I think AMD and Intel are the only games in town for that.
XenonCJ
11-08-2005, 02:34 PM
Yes a quote from an anti-Intel site like The Register will convince me!
As for my quote - let's say you save 1000 bux on a server by going AMD.... Then you load a massive production SQL database on it... When it runs like shit, and your users lose millions of dollars as a result - you get fired.
I have no clue what their slant is. It's the first link from a Opteron Marketshare search without AMD in the URL.
As for the quote - let's say you save 1000 bux on a server by going AMD.... Then you load a massive production SQL database on it... When it runs like shit, and your users lose millions of dollars as a result - you get fired.
Uh, except for the fact that it will run better with the cheaper Opteron? If Opteron was a worse processer I would not be defending it, but right now there is a MUCH larger gap between a Xeon and an Opteron than a A64 and a P4. The Opteron slaughters it.
bapenguin
11-08-2005, 02:38 PM
Prove it. Define "quite a dent". In any enterprise class shop, Opteron 64 will be QUITE RARE indeed. At the company I'm at, in the 5000+ servers we have worldwide do you know how many servers are running Opterons? ZERO.
50,000+ total Desktops how many with Athlons? ZERO.
20,000+ total Laptops how many with AMD anything? ZERO.
Maybe we are the exception, but I doubt it. Not to mention I have friends at several other large enterprises and they are pretty much the same.
Like the old saying goes : "No one has ever gotten fired for suggesting Intel"
Well, I know recently where I work all of our newest servers are HP Opteron servers. While it's not 5000+, it's a start.
According to this PC World Article (http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,121998,00.asp) from July, AMD had 10% penetration into the server market, and I'm sure that has only grown since then...hardly the 99.9% you claim.
XenonCJ
11-08-2005, 02:49 PM
From your favorite site: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/11/08/amd_ups_market_share/
"Enterprise customers are also being tempted away from their usual loyalty to Intel. AMD increased its share of business to resellers specialising in larger customers to 8.6 per cent from just 3 per cent in September 2004. Sales of AMD's Opteron chip for servers have also grown - its share of channel sales is up to 4.6 per cent from just 1 per cent last year."
I'm not impressed, even if accurate, which I'm highly skeptical.
Sensei-X
11-08-2005, 02:59 PM
I think the point people have missed is that Intel does so well because when someone like Dell wants a boat-load of CPUs they bend over backwards to undercut the AMD price, it has nothing to do with performance and reliability in most cases. Both AMD and Intel can be stable as a rock if put together and set-up properly with adequate cooling. More often then not the problems are from IT people that are totally clueless, unqualified and using cheap as dirt motheboards, cooling fans, power supplies and RAM.
I more or less touched up on that. The politics behind the Intel/Dell partnership.
If Dell added AMD to their stable you'd see AMD marketshare shootup at astronomical rates. As it is Dell only hints at adding AMD when they want Intel to kiss their ass some.
NACIONAL
11-08-2005, 07:41 PM
i don't know why... but Dell sells AMD-based bundles here in Colombia...
well it is Dell after all, my recomendation: avoid them like the plague... Poor customer service and fairly bad products....(excptuating the processors). I prefer to build my own rig over buying a dell bundle, any day
I need to learn grammar.
grunter
11-08-2005, 08:29 PM
From your favorite site: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/11/08/amd_ups_market_share/
"Enterprise customers are also being tempted away from their usual loyalty to Intel. AMD increased its share of business to resellers specialising in larger customers to 8.6 per cent from just 3 per cent in September 2004. Sales of AMD's Opteron chip for servers have also grown - its share of channel sales is up to 4.6 per cent from just 1 per cent last year."
I'm not impressed, even if accurate, which I'm highly skeptical.
You might not be impressed but in real numbers that is a incredible gain in one year, even off a very small base. And whilst intel wont be shitting themselves, I'm guessing that they are smart enough to be impressed and will be looking to counter AMD's growth.
i don't know why... but Dell sells AMD-based bundles here in Colombia...
well it is Dell after all, my recomendation: avoid them like the plague... Poor customer service and fairly bad products....(excptuating the processors). I prefer to build my own rig over buying a dell bundle, any day
I need to learn grammar.
Yeah, I always build my own system, but for the work place when you are buying 50 servers a pop and a thousand workstations Dell actually is pretty good and will bend over backwards for you just to make sure you stick with them. Unlike, say HP, who I've had nightmare experiences with pre and post sale.
Hell at my last company, where we only had 130 employees, I could get Dell to take a server they were selling for 15k and and knock it down to 5-6 simply by threatening to get an AMD server from Sun. And I never had a problem with their support, they performed the services and support we paid for. Unlike, say, HP.
Xerxes
11-09-2005, 08:28 AM
Prove it. Define "quite a dent". In any enterprise class shop, Opteron 64 will be QUITE RARE indeed. At the company I'm at, in the 5000+ servers we have worldwide do you know how many servers are running Opterons? ZERO.
50,000+ total Desktops how many with Athlons? ZERO.
20,000+ total Laptops how many with AMD anything? ZERO.
Maybe we are the exception, but I doubt it. Not to mention I have friends at several other large enterprises and they are pretty much the same.
Like the old saying goes : "No one has ever gotten fired for suggesting Intel"
Tell me does this retarded comapny you work for like all of them accross the country carry a huge Dell brand on their ass.
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