Revolution Controller: Japanese Creators Speak [Archive]

TheEpicOfTyler

10-23-2005, 02:59 PM

IGN (http://ign.com) brings us the scoop (http://cube.ign.com/articles/660/660408p1.html) on what various big Japanese game creators are saying about the Revolution, and it's tasty.

Takanobu Terada (Banpresto -- Super Robot Wars producer): "To be honest, I was expecting the Revolution controller to have an even more unique form, so I was initially disappointed. However, that quickly disappeared. With good use of the expansion terminal, isn't it possible to make, for instance, a versus shooting game without the use of the monitor, where the fight is through the controller alone? I feel that it is a great controller that can inspire many ideas, even aside from videogames."

UnderHero5

10-23-2005, 03:19 PM

Is he talking about... lazer tag in that quote?

Yeah, I'm going to buy a $200 - $300 machine to play lazer tag... without even using the tv.
Now THAT is the next generation of videogames! We'll just call it "Games".

All kidding aside, I still look forward to trying the Revolution, and hopefully purchasing it if it's under $250 and there are enough good games.

NoName

10-23-2005, 03:39 PM

With good use of the expansion terminal, isn't it possible to make, for instance, a versus shooting game without the use of the monitor, where the fight is through the controller alone?
As nice as it is to have "endless" possiblities with the expansion port on the controller, it worries me a bit. I don't want to have to buy a brazillion add-ons that are supported by two games each...

Still, I have some faith that Nintendo won't let this happen. Some...

EvilBob46

10-23-2005, 03:47 PM

Whether I buy this thing or not really depends on how good the games are going to be, not on how many of the Revolution's crazy features developers actually implement into games.

Nintendo has a lot of good developers, namely their internal teams, Retro, and Intelligent Systems. Hopefully they'll be able to make use of them and the Rev's features to make games that are both fun, fresh and polished.

Major Scud

10-23-2005, 04:07 PM

I'll buy revolution on launch, I allready have my xbox 360 reserved for launch, looks like the only system I'll play the waiting game on this gen is playstation 3

devicelimit

10-23-2005, 04:12 PM

I'll buy revolution on launch, I allready have my xbox 360 reserved for launch, looks like the only system I'll play the waiting game on this gen is playstation 3

Yup, me too. The PS3 doesn't really have anything I want. The 360 will be the unit I get to get the 'pretty' games because it's coming out right now, and the Revolution will have the fun games.

Ludoc

10-23-2005, 04:13 PM

A versus shooter with no need for a TV? remember Captian Power and the Soldiers of the future. I hope the have a Captian Power game, that would be awesome. And they could bring back the TV show.

Now that I'm grown up I wonder if you were really interacting with the show or if the hits were randomly generated.

Paltry

10-23-2005, 06:03 PM

what the hell are you talking about?

Rommel

10-23-2005, 06:30 PM

Is he talking about... lazer tag in that quote?

Lazer tag pwns. Blow me. But still, as I said, the Revolution seems to be more about playing with the controller than playing the games on the machine. If any of it is as good as photon was from the eighties I am sold.

it worries me a bit. I don't want to have to buy a brazillion add-ons that are supported by two games each...

What should be more worrisome is that not one of these interviewers have been "We are working on..." They are all "You could do..." Have any of these devs actually started to impliment these ideas or are they still dealing in theoretical abstracts?

Now that I'm grown up I wonder if you were really interacting with the show or if the hits were randomly generated.

I remember that show. The good guys always lost, but the production values seems high to my adolescant eye. I was under the impression that the hits were random unless you had the addon that was activated by your VCR when the interactive scenes came on.

Achilles

10-23-2005, 07:42 PM

What should be more worrisome is that not one of these interviewers have been "We are working on..." They are all "You could do..." Have any of these devs actually started to impliment these ideas or are they still dealing in theoretical abstracts?I was noticing that too. The closest it came was the guy who did Killer 7 who says he has a plan. All the others boil down into 'it's amazing, I'll be interested to see what other people do with it.'

nonchalance

10-23-2005, 08:01 PM

I was noticing that too. The closest it came was the guy who did Killer 7 who says he has a plan. All the others boil down into 'it's amazing, I'll be interested to see what other people do with it.'

I know. And all the little editorial things are like "yeah, everyone's going to make awesome stuff for Rev" and I'm thinking "uh, they didn't say that."

I really hope this sort of stuff transmutes into game announcements soon, because I'm worried. This is the one console that's making me want it over continually upgrading my PC for the next gen, and the hype is stupid.

sickfallout

10-23-2005, 08:12 PM

Yup, me too. The PS3 doesn't really have anything I want. The 360 will be the unit I get to get the 'pretty' games because it's coming out right now, and the Revolution will have the fun games.

I don't mean to sound like an asshole, though I do a lot, does anyone else find this quote funny? I understand that you had to say it in black-and-white, but I think I'll stick to fun games. If I want 'pretty' games that AREN'T fun, I'll just go buy a painting.

edit: Yup, I sound like an asshole when I look at it in the thread. Sorry all!

nonchalance

10-23-2005, 08:17 PM

edit: Yup, I sound like an asshole when I look at it in the thread. Sorry all!

Kudos for realising it, though.

XenonCJ

10-23-2005, 09:47 PM

Remember kids, using a DVD remote with gyros inside will be fun and innovative! The possibilities are endless! Once you get used to the clumsy akward design you too will be playing tennis against Koopa like a pro! Or maybe paddeling a canoe, in a race against Princess Peach!!! Insert gun in mouth and pull trigger.

Lon Lon Rabbit

10-23-2005, 09:50 PM

I know you really really love Nintendo and the new controller Xenon but please don't discount the other consoles, they have their good points too.

Paltry

10-23-2005, 09:51 PM

I remember that show. The good guys always lost, but the production values seems high to my adolescant eye. I was under the impression that the hits were random unless you had the addon that was activated by your VCR when the interactive scenes came on.

Seriously what the fuck are you guys talking about, im not, you know, a geezer. Care to fill me in?

jacktion

10-23-2005, 10:05 PM

Seriously what the fuck are you guys talking about, im not, you know, a geezer. Care to fill me in?

Dude... funny.

superherotaco

10-23-2005, 10:48 PM

I don't mean to sound like an asshole, though I do a lot, does anyone else find this quote funny? I understand that you had to say it in black-and-white, but I think I'll stick to fun games. If I want 'pretty' games that AREN'T fun, I'll just go buy a painting.

edit: Yup, I sound like an asshole when I look at it in the thread. Sorry all!

I don't think you sounded like an asshole, the systems are just numbers right now, we haven't actually played any of them to really compare. And some games are going to look beautiful on the lowest powered system, and some are going to look ugly on the strongest system. It'll all come down to how the cards play out. i mean look at the game cube, one of the best graphical games to come out this generation was Resident Evil 4. But most other things on the system didn't come out above the Xbox visually. It was either equaled or the xbox had the better graphics.

Ludoc

10-23-2005, 10:49 PM

Seriously what the fuck are you guys talking about, im not, you know, a geezer. Care to fill me in?

Here (http://209.15.18.249/captainpower/images/powerad.jpg) is an ad for the Captain Power toys. Looking at it first will make explaining things easier.

Basically, you could use those ships to play versus or pop a tape that came with them inyour vcr and play against the show.

There was a small infrared deal beam emmiter/detecter underneath the jet, which was mounted on a pistol grip. In versus you would try to shoot your friend before he shot you. It was kind of like laser tag with little jets insted of guns. once some one had been hit enough times to "killed", three times I think, the canopy would pop out and eject their action figure from the jet.

To play against the TV kids would simply slip a tape into their vcr and try to help Captain Power defeat forces of Overmind and Lord Dread. As enemies appeared on screen they would have vulnerable area that would flash. Some how, I don't know the exact mechanics of it, your jet would decide if it had been hit by the fire of on screen baddies or if you had hit them and either eject you or beep as the episodes progressed.

It was pretty sweet.

History of the Captain Power universe (http://members.tripod.com/~capt_pwr_1/history.html)

The TV series debuted in 1987 and according to IMBD cost a million dollars an episode to produce.

Hope all that helps.
/hijack

Demize99

10-23-2005, 11:28 PM

Innovation in games is rare these days. I think this article demonstrates how creative minds would love to try new stuff, but realize they would never find anyone to fund it. We need to go back to the days when gaming was an "artsy" thing that people did in their garages and basements and had fun.

ArkMan

10-23-2005, 11:54 PM

HOLY FUCKING FLASHBACK BATMAN!!

Man, I always get this weird feeling in my gut whenever I see something from my childhood that I used to treasure but is now all but completely forgotten. I guess it's all the memories rushing in all at once, kinda creeps me out actually. Anyways, on my trip down memory lane I believe my hypothesis has finally been proven correct, and that being the fact that nothing is safe from Fan Fiction (http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/6213/fanfiction.html), absolutely nothing.

Oh yeah, and uh, the Revolution looks cool.

Rommel

10-24-2005, 01:20 AM

::Watches the CP introduction::

I remembered a surprising amount of that show. Amazingly, the production values were indeed really high. I see some early computer animation is there, big sets and explosions. Not bad for the American precursors to the Power Rangers.

holycrapper

10-24-2005, 02:02 AM

so i seem to remember that captain power show as a cartoon, i have this old bedsheet, that still has all the characters. I was very suprised to see any live action stuff when i went to that history thing

Rommel

10-24-2005, 02:04 AM

This might ease some doubts, anyone know how many third party titles are confirmed in development for the Revolution?

Vandenh

10-24-2005, 05:01 AM

I am hoping the Rev will be good. To be quite honest I am picking the Rev to try out the controller and as a second machine for my girlfriend (so I guess the controller really needs to bring out some interesting games). 360 will be my main gaming machine.

bapenguin

10-24-2005, 05:13 AM

What would be COOL is if the expansion plugged into your GBA or DS and you could each use that as the screen....but then again...doesn't that just make the Revolution system itself moot?

I'm looking forward to seeing what can be created....but....I don't want a lot of gimmicky style games and expensive addons to the controller just to play the game.

Grave

10-24-2005, 06:54 AM

*most likely* A good solid 50%+ of revolution games will be played with the gamecube controller.

nonchalance

10-24-2005, 06:56 AM

*most likely* A good solid 50%+ of revolution games will be played with the gamecube controller.

See, I don't understand that point of view.

What genre of game is going to be better with that thing than with the nunchuk arrangement?

Grave

10-24-2005, 08:27 AM

score

10-24-2005, 08:51 AM

^ Not really. Last I checked, all three current gen consoles had different controllers, with a differing number of buttons (some analogue some not) etc. All multi platform titles have some controller tweakage. It just depends on how easy or hard it is to implement a simple left, right, up, down or twist of the new controller instead of a button press....

Stormwatcher

10-24-2005, 10:12 AM

I'm kinda tired of hater bullshit. Yeah, calling the revolution's controller a DVD remote is so funny. Wait, it isn't.

And all that "oh, games in the revolution will be gimmicks, they should make GOOD games instead" crap is just that, crap. Feces. Shit. No other console company has as big a record for FUN games than Nintendo...

Hell, anyone who doubts nintendo's ability to make fun and original games, just check the DS.

XenonCJ

10-24-2005, 12:10 PM

ChaosDent

10-24-2005, 01:00 PM

Indeed, the Virtual Boy had almost uniformly great games, I've played them all... The Virtual Boy's problems were due to the eye and neck straining implementation, not game design. It's a shame, since no one will take stereoscopic video seriously anymore, and it could be used to dramatically improve graphics and presentation.

Magnanimous Gnome

10-24-2005, 02:58 PM

and the Virtual Boy!

Original! :rolleyes:

Yup, me too. The PS3 doesn't really have anything I want. The 360 will be the unit I get to get the 'pretty' games because it's coming out right now, and the Revolution will have the fun games.

Anyone else get the feeling that the 360 would be in serious trouble if all the consoles were coming out this November? With a lot of negative press lately, the big advantage seems to be that it is a "next generation" console coming out this November instead of mid to late next year. The decision to rush the console out this fall will either be an ingenious move or a huge folly. We'll just have to see...

nonchalance

10-24-2005, 03:17 PM

Its not so much about will it be better but if I'm EA and I'm cross platforming a game across Revolution, 360 and PS3 it would be assumingly easier to program to the gamecube controller due to the amount of buttons as opposed to the wacky jack stick.

I disagree.
Map one analogue stick to the nunchuka.
Map R1+R2 to the nunchuka's R1/R2.
Map the four buttons to A, B, D-left, D-right, and you've got D-up and D-down for the other two.

And then you have the entire range of remote motion to do anything else you want with.

Paltry

10-24-2005, 04:21 PM

wacky jack stick... hahaha

Heretic Machine

10-24-2005, 08:25 PM

and the Virtual Boy!

Fuck you, asshole. You probably never even got within ten feet of a Virtual Boy, so how would you know? It was a damn fun little machine, marred only by the design of the bi-pod it rested on. If they had put more work into that so you could sit more comfortably, it would of been legendary. But because of that one flaw everyone ignores the fact that the few games that did make it out were -great-

Rommel

10-25-2005, 06:12 AM

It was also in BLOOD RED with a red background.

Twigz'N'Berries

10-25-2005, 08:59 AM

I have to agree with the angry Perigon who thinks it is cool to swear for no apparent reason. Either that or he has serious emotional problems that he needs to get that upset over someone speaking poorly of a system that was out over 7-8 years ago.
The Virtual Boy was actually pretty fun. There was this space flight game that rocked. I've been looking at going back and buying a VirtuaBoy, but the Ebay prices are kind of high.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a153/TyroneBiggumz/180px-The_Simpsons-Jeff_Albertson.pngIf this guy was meaner, fatter and in college...his name would be Perigon.

Heretic Machine

10-25-2005, 11:06 AM

If this guy was meaner, fatter and in college...his name would be Perigon.

If you think you're insulting me by calling me a geek, then my friend you don't know me very well. As for why I get so pissed about people bashing the Virtual Boy, it's because it's been bashed for ten years and it's wearing on my patience.

Magnanimous Gnome

10-25-2005, 11:49 AM

If you think you're insulting me by calling me a geek, then my friend you don't know me very well. As for why I get so pissed about people bashing the Virtual Boy, it's because it's been bashed for ten years and it's wearing on my patience.

Yes, it does get really old. The Nintendo haters really need to come up with some new arguments. I'm tired of hearing the same old "Virtual Boy, kiddie, etc." bullshit.