US Xbox 360 Price Cut Confirmed

[fitbabits]

Major Nelson (http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/09/03/xbox-360-price-cut-now-us-199.aspx) with the details:

It's official: We've got an Xbox 360 price cut coming to the US. Our friends in Japan announced their price cut earlier this week, but now it's time to roll one out here. As of September 5th, the new prices will be as follows:

Xbox 360 Arcade $199
Xbox 360 $299
Xbox 360 Elite $399
That's more like it, I suppose.

[Wyrm]

Now I can bug all my friends who don't have one. No excuse at 200 bucks.

[Xerxes]

Hey Major Nelson, where are those Jaspers. :p

Only the hardcore are worried about those. And that's just another sale, not people holding out. Hold outs will move for the lower price, not chipsets.

[D_Reaper]

I guess now's the time to get an Elite for my room, I'm afraid the refurbed one from MS will eat my discs...

[Wraith]

On the one hand, I think it's great that MS has a pretty capable model at $200, selling for $50 less than the Wii, and half the price of a PS3.

On the other hand, we're closing in on 3 years since the launch of the 360, and the main 360 model is still $299 - the price at which the first Xbox launched.

[Texas Speed]

That is brand new information!

:p

[bean19]

This should really start moving some Xbox 360s to the casual market. Many of them never get online, so they won't need a hard drive starting out anyway as the memory card that comes with it is more than enough for game saves.

[oldjadedgamer]

The battle over Christmas begins. MS fires the first shot

[Demo_Boy]

But will Nintendo blink?

[TrackZero]

Now I can bug all my friends who don't have one. No excuse at 200 bucks.

Indeed, I know of a few converts who were waiting for the arcade to hit that price point.

[Phhhh]

Does the Arcade have a Hard drive yet?

[jeffbax]

Price drops mean little if the boxes are still exploding.

[OmegaVader]

bout time. now for sony to follow suit.

[mkelehan]

Does the Arcade have a Hard drive yet?

It doesn't, but it's got a 256MB mem card. Plenty of space to save games, but not good enough for DLC. It's strictly for those who don't have broadband.

[Wyrm]

It doesn't, but it's got a 256MB mem card. Plenty of space to save games, but not good enough for DLC. It's strictly for those who don't have broadband.

Ack, the Arcade has no harddrive?

MS, what the fuck?

Where is the only SKU that you should be selling? A 250$ version with a 30 gig hard drive. It doesn't need to have HDMI, there are plenty of people who will spend this entire generation on a regular ass tv (I'm one of them). This is no longer a "premium machine". It is being consistently outsold by a cheaper, less powerful product.

Do you know the two main reasons for that Microsoft?

The first, which should be obvious by now, is price. They put it at the right price.
The second, is this SKU bullshit. Everyone should have learned by know that SKUs are the worst fucking idea, possibly ever. Sure, it's all well and good to say "We're offering our customers all possible choices," but you're not. And when Billy's mom walks into a Target looking for a console for her little bastard child, she'll go with the one that doesn't have three confusing different kinds. She'll go with the one that is easy.

Plus, despite how much hate it gets around here, the Wii is shit hot right now. MS needs more than a price drop and a dashboard update to contend.

[vexvegaz]

bout time. now for sony to follow suit.

is sony even capable of a price cut at this point in the ps3's cycle?

[oldjadedgamer]

Price drops mean little if the boxes are still exploding.

Yup, every new system out of the box just instantly gets a Red Ring. Just like every PS2 out of the box gets a DRE and every PSP out of the box has dead pixels.

[violentp]

Yeah but is it fixed?

[Abednigo]

I bet Nintendo will drop the Wii to $199 or $179. They can afford to drop the price with the money they're making on that thing.

[Lutheran]

They won't drop the price this year , they have no reason to. Its still selling like mad and is not even in stock most of the time. Even at 200 bucks the 360 will not come close to knocking off the Wii during this holiday season.

[Commissar Rob]

Yea! Off to Best Buy come Friday then.

[Evil Avatar]

They won't drop the price this year , they have no reason to. Its still selling like mad and is not even in stock most of the time. Even at 200 bucks the 360 will not come close to knocking off the Wii during this holiday season.

What he said. :D

[Mr.Green]

They won't drop the price this year , they have no reason to. Its still selling like mad and is not even in stock most of the time. Even at 200 bucks the 360 will not come close to knocking off the Wii during this holiday season.

Agreed. If your idea of a fun game involves flailing your arms in the air you probably wouldn't give a shit about a 360 even if it was $49.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

On the one hand, I think it's great that MS has a pretty capable model at $200, selling for $50 less than the Wii, and half the price of a PS3.

On the other hand, we're closing in on 3 years since the launch of the 360, and the main 360 model is still $299 - the price at which the first Xbox launched.

Exactly what I came in here to say. :p

I'm sure Sony will announce a price cut this fall as well. Hopefully next round will see cheaper consoles from the start. Even the Wii costs more than the Gamecube did.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

I bet Nintendo will drop the Wii to $199 or $179. They can afford to drop the price with the money they're making on that thing.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo could drop the Wii to $120 and still make money. Hell they could probably sell it for less than that and still make a profit.

Of course they are not going to price it lower than the DS, but it's insane to think how much money Nintendo must make off of each Wii sold. $50 more than the Gamecube at launch with only slightly higher tech hardware. That's quite the goldmine.

[Pluvious]

Damn.. just lower the 120GB add-on drive for the love of god!

I swore I read that it was dropping to $150 when the new fall update hits and we can start installing our games directly to the HD. I found the source I had mailed a friend and that line of info was mysteriously gone. Whether MS doesn't want us to know yet or it was incorrect we see.

[Pluvious]

Imagine how many people will upgrade their HD this year.. they need to make it cheap enough for the whole installed base of owners to do it. I think $99 would be the right call.

[caenelgren]

So I've been dying for a 360 with HDMI; it's hooked up via VGA to my 720p/1080i TV now so I'm not expecting a video quality increase but it would play more nicely with my other components if it had HDMI. According to Wikipedia, all recent Arcades should have HDMI output. Could I get an Arcade and simply slap my current hard drive into it? Or will I first need to do some transfer trickery?

Buying a cheap new system would be easier as I have a 2nd gen 360 that has RRoD's once (and sent to MS for fixing) but it does the loud disc grinding noise whenever the main drive spins up so I doubt I could really trade it in. Having a 2nd 360 would make it easier to hook up to my monitor via VGA and Too Human co-op with my girlfriend as well.

[Pluvious]

HA! FOUND IT!! Since most of the article has come true this little theory sounds possible. I believe also because that's the sort of thing MS would do... still charge a ridiculous $150 for 120GB HD that should cost under $70.

http://www.slipperybrick.com/2008/07/xbox-360-rumors/

The note also leaks some plans for a price drop of the 120GB add-on hard drive down to $150 in September and a 60GB external drive to be available in late October for $100, which may seem a little high but it comes bundled with a Xbox 360 Wired Headset, Ethernet Cable and 3 months worth of Xbox Live subscription to get you sucked in, especially those of you with the Xbox 360 Core consoles.

edit if I COULD .. .grumble grumble..

hmm.. when checking price on what a 120gb drive would be .. I found Newegg is already selling it at $150?!

[Pluvious]

Re; " Could I get an Arcade and simply slap my current hard drive into it? Or will I first need to do some transfer trickery? " - Caenelgren

Yes you can just slap your hard-drive on the new Arcade unit.

[DoubleUranium]

Nice, you can get the 120GB hard drive for $150, or an entire 360 Arcade with a controller, power brick, memory card, etc for $199. It's like the hard drive ships with giant blinking lights spelling RIP OFF.

[RMan]

They need to just add generic flash memory support. I used to think that not having a hard drive was a big problem for the Wii, but now, you can get 4G of flash mem (which I'd MUCH rather have than a hard drive) for $10, I'm just not seeing a reason for any console to have a hard drive unless it's storing HD video. Heck, it's starting to look like the 360 and PS3 would have been better off just making their hard drives as optional, external peripherals.

[Pluvious]

Yeah.. I agree.. if you get a RRoD now .. its just best to buy an Arcade unit and put your old drive onto it.

[RorschachCCCLX]

Damn.. just lower the 120GB add-on drive for the love of god!

I swore I read that it was dropping to $150 when the new fall update hits and we can start installing our games directly to the HD. I found the source I had mailed a friend and that line of info was mysteriously gone. Whether MS doesn't want us to know yet or it was incorrect we see.

we did this morning at Gamestop, the 120 drive went from 179.99 to 149.99.. not a barn burning price cut, but not a slap in the face neither.

[Pluvious]

Amazon has it at $150 today as well. Looks like it's a silent sale. You'd think they would be "announcing" it to drum up some business. (I bought one from Amazon with Prime.. weeeee)

[Texas Speed]

I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo could drop the Wii to $120 and still make money. Hell they could probably sell it for less than that and still make a profit.

Of course they are not going to price it lower than the DS, but it's insane to think how much money Nintendo must make off of each Wii sold. $50 more than the Gamecube at launch with only slightly higher tech hardware. That's quite the goldmine.

Well, I don't know what it costs Nintendo to make a Wii, but at some point they'd have to stop. Sony and MS can sell at a loss and make it up in software, I don't think the Wii has that benifit. What are the current attach rates, anyway? Haven't heard anything in a while.

[Phanto]

What Microsoft is waiting to release a SKU with a Blu-ray, 60 or 80GB and a $300 price tag?!?

The only piece of the puzzle left for Microsoft is releasing a SKU with a Blu-ray honestly.

When they do that, I will buy a 360.

[Rune_74]

They won't drop the price this year , they have no reason to. Its still selling like mad and is not even in stock most of the time. Even at 200 bucks the 360 will not come close to knocking off the Wii during this holiday season.

Too bad it sucks as a game machine...and yes I own the nintendo dust collector

[violentp]

Too bad it sucks as a game machine...and yes I own the nintendo dust collector

As I have mentioned 100 times, point and click adventures.

[addik]

As I have mentioned 100 times, point and click adventures.

This man is correct. Telltale Games agrees: Sam N Max is coming to the Wii soon.

[Rash]

This is good news for anyone who hasn't bought one yet.

Of course, I don't expect Nintendo to follow suit. Didn't Iwata already say that the entire point is to NOT get to the point of having to lower the price of your console? With the way Wiis are selling now, Nintendo won't have a good reason to drop the price for a long time. Could they afford it? Of course. But, business is business.

[Haemorrhage]

fitbabits, I like you smart ass comment 10 post down on Major's Blog.

[RUSKULL]

What Microsoft is waiting to release a SKU with a Blu-ray, 60 or 80GB and a $300 price tag?!?

The only piece of the puzzle left for Microsoft is releasing a SKU with a Blu-ray honestly.

When they do that, I will buy a 360.

I hear MS is going to announce a 360 Blu-Ray solution in May of this year :p

[techromage]

I still don't think the price drop means much beyond getting more consoles in homes. Especially if you want Live. Think about it.

You're adding an extra $150 ($100 for the network adapter, $50 for live) to the consoles price regardless of the one you buy.) That'll bring the price back up to what it was before and that's before you buy any games or accessories. If Microsoft was smart they'd drop the price of the network adapter and the hard drive too. Or at least discontinue the 20 gig stand alone drive and replace it with the 60 giger and keep the $100 price.

And what's the point of dropping the price if Maw and Paw don't know about it? They need a fresh new round of commercials that accent all the family oriented games (Lips, Scene it 2) along with ones citing all the hardcore games (Gears 2, Too Human, Fable 2) then put a blurb at the end "Now starting at $199! Jump in and Play with your Friends and Family!" (show video of people video conferencing with the camera and playing Uno Rush and Scene it 1 and 2 with it). And then keep showing it on prime time, day time, Oprah, Ellen, Tyra, Desperate Housewives, Heroes, and all the popular shows in each major time slot and demographic right up till Christmas (expensive yes but you gotta spend money to make money). That'll get Maw, Paw, GrandMaw, Aunt May, Junior, and Lil Timmy excited to actually GO OUT and buy one and not just WANT to buy one.(big difference) Just don't mention that they gotta spend an extra $150 to get on Live .:)

[Zecon]

Yeah but is it fixed?
Really?!
Flame much?
BTW none of the new 360's work, they just look pretty and have fully functional LED lights that light up to look like it works, but it really doesnt, so please don't buy one.
BTW does the PS3 or Wii have any good games yet?
I'm so tired of the 360 RRoD flamers, it's like they dont have any good games to play to they troll the internet.
Kudos to MS for dropping the price, it's now cheaper than the vastly inferior Wii. ( and yes I own one, it collects dust really well for such a small machine.)

[violentp]

Really?!
Flame much?
BTW none of the new 360's work, they just look pretty and have fully functional LED lights that light up to look like it works, but it really doesnt, so please don't buy one.
BTW does the PS3 or Wii have any good games yet?
I'm so tired of the 360 RRoD flamers, it's like they dont have any good games to play to they troll the internet.
Kudos to MS for dropping the price, it's now cheaper than the vastly inferior Wii. ( and yes I own one, it collects dust really well for such a small machine.)

Take it down a notch sweetheart. If you'd been here long enough you would know that I own all 3 current gen consoles and I don't pick sides. And you know what? I won't shut up about the red ring issue until it's fucking fixed because you know what? $450 is way too much to pay for an item that breaks every couple of months. Want to make me happy? Don't drop the price, fix the problem first. If you don't want to hear it then go buy a dress or some shit because I'm a consumer of these products and I have a right to be upset at shoddy hardware and I have a right to want them fixed.

[DeathtollWRX]

Take it down a notch sweetheart. If you'd been here long enough you would know that I own all 3 current gen consoles and I don't pick sides. And you know what? I won't shut up about the red ring issue until it's fucking fixed because you know what? $450 is way too much to pay for an item that breaks every couple of months. Want to make me happy? Don't drop the price, fix the problem first. If you don't want to hear it then go buy a dress or some shit because I'm a consumer of these products and I have a right to be upset at shoddy hardware and I have a right to want them fixed.


Perhaps we want it fixed because we still own them and are worried that at any moment our systems are going to take a crud. Lowering the price on something that is unreliable doesn't do much for People who already paid before the price drop. If Microsoft wants to keep people happy they need to fix the huge flaws the system has and then think about lowering the price.

Here is a good analogy. Chevy and Ford always lower the prices of their inferior comapact cars (Ford Focus and Chevy Cobalt/Cavalier). They talk about incentives and lower prices but in the long run Toyota Corolla and Honda Civic are blowing them out of the water on sales. Honda and Toyota doesn't offer rebates on their compact cars nor do the dealers offer much of a discount.
My point is the more reliable product will still outsell the less reliable product no matter what the price really is.

Most of the people I know who haven't purchased an Xbox360 are mainly worried not because of money but because of reliablility issues.

That being said, offering an Xbox360 without a hard drive is like selling you a Chevy Cobalt with a 1 gallon fuel tank. Who cares if it gets 40 miles per gallon if you could only put in 1 gallon worth of fuel.

(currently pissed because his DVD ROM on his second refurbed 360 doesn't always open)

[violentp]

*snip*

Precisely.

[caenelgren]

You're adding an extra $150 ($100 for the network adapter, $50 for live) to the consoles price regardless of the one you buy.)

I like your post and agree with a lot of it; Microsoft could do a lot more to really push themselves into being more appealing to a very nice audience. I would also love very much for the stupid hard drive price to be lowered a decent amount.

I wasn't sure about the "gotta spend an extra $150 to get on Live" part though - does the Arcade model not come with an ethernet port? I didn't spend $100 for the network adapter for my current Premium model 360 and I boot into Live whenever I turn it on; I just use the ethernet port on the back. I was hoping to do the same with the Arcade if I buy one. The Live pricing is true though if they are planning to play online, otherwise video renters should still be able to access the features through a Silver membership. Course if they start that Gold membership, the real headache may be from the fact that that fee is monthly/annually and not just one-time ;)

[Variable Gear]

The Arcade has an ethernet port. At least that's what I thought. It just doesn't come with an ethernet cable.

[Hellstorm]

Perhaps we want it fixed because we still own them and are worried that at any moment our systems are going to take a crud. Lowering the price on something that is unreliable doesn't do much for People who already paid before the price drop. If Microsoft wants to keep people happy they need to fix the huge flaws the system has and then think about lowering the price.


If the flaws were fixable, I am sure MS would have done something about them long ago. They haven't so it would be a good bet that the flaw is something too expensive or not cost effective enough for them to bother fixing. Might as well just give you another year warranty and hope you don't RRoD during that period. They want to make their money back on the xbox project and they still have a long way to go.

[violentp]

If the flaws were fixable, I am sure MS would have done something about them long ago. They haven't so it would be a good bet that the flaw is something too expensive or not cost effective enough for them to bother fixing. Might as well just give you another year warranty and hope you don't RRoD during that period. They want to make their money back on the xbox project and they still have a long way to go.

I understand what you're saying but the inquisitive part of my brain wonders how much it costs MS to develop a 360, how much would it cost to make the minor change to the new models to prevent the issues, and the cost of all the shipping they've been covering all this time.

I hear some people claim it's a thermal pasting issue but that's just hearsay.

[JimmyDanger]

Let the clearance price begin so that the Jaspers can roll in.

All fine by oh-nine when the model becomes "slim".

From pariah to messiah - Arcade's status now has turned around.

"Consumer choice" messages - once laughable now have a blinging sound.

To the hardcore who seeks one twenty gigs cheap in their upgrade.

And would settle for an Elite - cheaper - without the respray.

The one nine nine is broken - the analysts have spoken.

Succeeding Wii is fantasy - but now the market's open.

[baz]

I'm trying to convince my mate to by my old xbox so I can get an elite with HDMI and the 120 GB HDD. I'd really like the bigger drive for the new update we're supposed to get that allows you to copy games for faster load times. That coming in November?

[Talon-]

Converts? Since when did we use religious vocabulary in reference to videogame consoles? :p

[Disgustipated]

I still don't think the price drop means much beyond getting more consoles in homes. Especially if you want Live. Think about it.

You're adding an extra $150 ($100 for the network adapter, $50 for live) to the consoles price regardless of the one you buy.) That'll bring the price back up to what it was before and that's before you buy any games or accessories. If Microsoft was smart they'd drop the price of the network adapter and the hard drive too. Or at least discontinue the 20 gig stand alone drive and replace it with the 60 giger and keep the $100 price.


Fail. Microsoft is discontinuing the 20 GB and replacing it with the 60 GB... for the same price, you get the 60 GB, 3 months of live, a headset, etc...

Next, you don't NEED the network adapter to get on Live. Bridging to a PC or using a wired connection works fine. Good job making shit up, though.

[Purple Santa]

The battle over Christmas begins. MS fires the first shot

Exactly. I said this in another thread somewhere...the price drops are for xmas sales for parents who are looking for a console. Lots of 16 yr olds and younger are clamoring for an Xbox 360...this is the "mainstream" that is the sweet spot MS/Sony want.

[grognard66]

Wow, the desperation from the SDF is palpable. Are people really still trudging out the old RROD mantra? All of the 360's being sold this Holiday Season will incorporate the fixes addressing that issue. If anyone has been paying attention, you'll see that the number of people complaining about RECENT RROD issues has declined dramatically the past 6 months or so.

This price drop will ensure a repeat of last Holiday Season:

Nintendo will sell as many Wii's and DS's as they can put on Shelves and won't do a price drop because they don't need to.

360 sales will skyrocket in Nov/Dec completely eliminating the slight sales advantage PS3 has enjoyed so far this year and pulling the install base gap even further out. Consumers need only look at the shelves of any retailer to see that 360 and Wii have nearly double the shelf space of games as PS3 and most people are buying these systems to play games - not watch movies.

Sony needs to do a price drop to keep up, but can't and won't because their shareholders will revolt if they back down on their financial statements specifying they are putting profit over market share this fiscal year. This doesn't mean that PS3 is doomed or not viable - just that it's destined to finish a distant third this generation (in NA). Embarrassing for Sony to lose that much profit share, but the silver lining is that it should still end up being a profitable endeavor by the time PS4 arrives and that's really what it's all about for any company.

[grognard66]

Oops, I meant to say "market share" not "profit share" in the above post. I wish we had an "edit post" button - or more coffee this morning.

[bapenguin]

What Microsoft is waiting to release a SKU with a Blu-ray, 60 or 80GB and a $300 price tag?!?

The only piece of the puzzle left for Microsoft is releasing a SKU with a Blu-ray honestly.

When they do that, I will buy a 360.

Never gonna happen. Marketplace video downloads are too ingrained now, and the money they would make on the blu-ray would be minimal at best.

[Gorvi]

Damn, gotta love the PS3 doom and gloom, it really is just a movie player, huh? :rolleyes:

Regardless, though, this is an overdue move for MS, but still a good one. Sony needs to follow suit or they're just not going to be able to keep up. Of course, then again, 360 sales didn't go up after that last little "price drop", though this is much more significant, at least for the Arcade.

[tiremfej]

I know a couple of people who were waiting for this price cut. So it may work better than you think. I don't think the issue with not having a HDD in the arcade is that big a deal. Most people who "game" have already bought one. The arcade are for those who don't "know" what they're buying. Once people figure out what all they can do with the 360, they will be buying the HDD.

Then again...maybe not.

[Citizen Philip]

Damn, gotta love the PS3 doom and gloom, it really is just a movie player, huh? :rolleyes:


I hadn't really noticed much of that, which is the express reason I came into this thread in the first place: checking the pressure on the bullshit. Seems pretty low to me, you've got people actually talking about the the subject instead of ramming the info their guns and firing blindly at "the other side".

Almost sedentary.

[MosBen]

So here's the real question: What's the *next* price cut going to be? Obviously it's not for at least six months and probably not for a year. What I'm wondering is at what point do they phase out the Arcade? Would it be worth it, for instance, to have an Arcade priced at $100 and a Pro at $200? At what point is the group of people holding out for a lower price point lower than the amount of money it takes to produce three SKUs. And then there's the issue of the next machine, which I'm assuming will launch for holiday season 2010.

[Yeti2005]

Damn, gotta love the PS3 doom and gloom, it really is just a movie player, huh? :rolleyes:

Regardless, though, this is an overdue move for MS, but still a good one. Sony needs to follow suit or they're just not going to be able to keep up. Of course, then again, 360 sales didn't go up after that last little "price drop", though this is much more significant, at least for the Arcade.


I agree the doom and gloom for the PS3 is ridiculous. The PS3 is having strong sales especially in Europe.

I think this price cut, which is a real price cut vs. a fire sale to get rid of phased out hardware, will sell a good chunk of consoles (especially around the holidays). $200 is an attractive price point for the mainstream consumer (yes I know the hardcore wouldn't touch the Arcade with a ten foot pole...unless they bought it and slapped a cheap $30 20GB Hd on it).

It'll be interesting to see if this price drop plus the new "casual" designed Dashboard will bring in Joe Average consumer. I expect to see lots of 360 advertising showing off a new $200 price point plus clips of netflix integration, the Primetime game shows, Viva Pinata, and maybe a shot or two of sports games.

[Froggy]

But I already bought one. I demand a rebate! Or I could trade it in for a PS3 and then buy the new cheap Xbox, and have both? Or I could use the missle-guidance built into my PS2 and hold Tomb Raider hostage and demand all the systems. Or... *implodes*

[Spiff]

So...

Arcade: $199
120 HD: $150
total: $350

Elite w/ 120 HD: $399

Is there any reason to get an Elite over buying an Arcade and HD separately other than getting it in black?

[Gorvi]

So...

Arcade: $199
120 HD: $150
total: $350

Elite w/ 120 HD: $399

Is there any reason to get an Elite over buying an Arcade and HD separately other than getting it in black?
Componant cables and the headset I think would be it. Does the Elite come with an HDMI cable?

[fitbabits]

Componant cables and the headset I think would be it. Does the Elite come with an HDMI cable?

Yes, it does indeed come with an HDMI cable.

[Yeti2005]

Yes, it does indeed come with an HDMI cable.

And don't forget the network cable :) So is $50 worth a network cable, and hdmi cable, a headset, and a component cable? Unless you're savy enough to know where to buy cheap cables then the answer is probably "yes" for Joe Average (those poor bastards shell out $50 for an HDMI cable alone at BestBuy or Circuit City).

[vherub]

I'm definitely getting a 360, probably the arcade and pairing with a used hdrive and a hd cheap cable
I've waited this long, might as well wait a few more weeks and see if jaspers hit

[violentp]

Wow, the desperation from the SDF is palpable. Are people really still trudging out the old RROD mantra? All of the 360's being sold this Holiday Season will incorporate the fixes addressing that issue. If anyone has been paying attention, you'll see that the number of people complaining about RECENT RROD issues has declined dramatically the past 6 months or so.

Just a reminder, the RRoD issue has absolutely nothing to do with Sony just as the lackluster library of the PS3 has nothing to do with Microsoft. Not everything is an elementary school pissing contest.

[Texas Speed]

I mentioned in the Viva Pinata 2 thread, but with the distinct lack of vocal support from MS for both that game and the price cuts, I'm fully expecting a salvo of "casual gamer" campaign ads around the time the new dash hits. At that point they have VP2, Banjo Kazooie, Lips, (the horrible looking) At the Movies, I think a new movie trivia game, the new dash, the new price, so on and so on, and it should all be out around holiday shopping time. At least I hope that's what they're saving their money for, since VP2 is getting no love right now.

[bKangy]

I can't see a Wii price cut. It'll sell out this Christmas again, why cut prices when that's going to happen? I can see a price cut post-Christmas perhaps but not before.

[grognard66]

So...

Arcade: $199
120 HD: $150
total: $350

Elite w/ 120 HD: $399

Is there any reason to get an Elite over buying an Arcade and HD separately other than getting it in black?

Yep, very odd pricing structure - the Arcade is actually a value now. Didn't MS cut the price of that HD in Europe and Japan already? I wonder if there's also going to be a price drop on the HD or any accessories that just hasn't been formally announced. Then again, MS loves the markup on accessories.

[Pluvious]

Yes.. the price has been lowered to $150 now. (amazon,newegg,gamestop etc)

[humanliteshow]

So I have a 160gb WD usb drive that I use to keep media on for my laptop. If I got an Arcade, could I use it to store DLC on or do you have to install an internal HD?

[Talon-]

So I have a 160gb WD usb drive that I use to keep media on for my laptop. If I got an Arcade, could I use it to store DLC on or do you have to install an internal HD?

You can't write info onto anything other than an official 360 HDD or Memory Card.

However, you can read movies, songs or the ilk off of practically any USB device.

[oldjadedgamer]

Just a reminder, the RRoD issue has absolutely nothing to do with Sony just as the lackluster library of the PS3 has nothing to do with Microsoft. Not everything is an elementary school pissing contest.

Take this thread for instance, who was the first person to inquire about the reliability of the system? None other then resident Apple and Sony zealot... and general Microsoft hater... Jeffbax

[violentp]

Take this thread for instance, who was the first person to inquire about the reliability of the system? None other then resident Apple and Sony zealot... and general Microsoft hater... Jeffbax

It's enough to make me reconsider the forums I frequent.

[jeffbax]

Take this thread for instance, who was the first person to inquire about the reliability of the system? None other then resident Apple and Sony zealot... and general Microsoft hater... Jeffbax
Hilarious, first, Apple and Sony have nothing to do with it, and its hardly possible to be a zealot for a product still to be ordered.

Second, I'm not an MS hater, I'm not an apologist like you are. There's a pretty big difference. There is nothing unreasonable with being critical of the clusterfuck Microsoft has created with the 360 reliability

Third, asking about the reliability for these models is perfectly appropriate, if they are in fact the redesigned ones at last.

Fourth:
http://cornerstork.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/crying_baby.jpg

Quit taking offense over a fucking game console and people bringing up its well-documented reliability issues, its sad.

[Xerxes]

Second, I'm not an MS hater, I'm not an apologist like you are. There's a pretty big difference. There is nothing unreasonable with being critical of the clusterfuck Microsoft has created with the 360 reliability


How many have you had die on you? :confused:

[jeffbax]

How many have you had die on you? :confused:

3 Xbox's and 1 360, but its not like that matters - the reliability is known.

Its not something that is invalid to inquire or bring up in a thread like this, oldjadedgamer just has an unhealthy obsession with me.

[Xerxes]

3 Xbox's and 1 360, but its not like that matters - the reliability is known.

Its not something that is invalid to inquire or bring up in a thread like this, oldjadedgamer just has an unhealthy obsession with me.

No, you just used the term apologist and I think it does matter if you had a issue personally. I was just hoping you did at least have an experience yourself and were not getting angry over other people's misfortune. My system has been going fine, so liking 360 wouldn't make me an apologist because they have no reason for me to be upset with them, or forgive them.

Evil was talking about all the benchmarks and personal exp of having pc games run like shit, and pc fan boys come kick dirt on him. He could call them apologist but they aren't apologist as they may have never had a bad exp personally. [spoiler]no but fa real them shits is magic pc and that's a fucking fact[/spoilers]

3 xboxs? Damn. I did have one normal xbox die, but after getting a better bigger HDD in that bad boy, it was golden. I think the external drive shows they did learn something. A system shouldn't rely on a hard drive, cause they die. That's life. But some how that gave them the truly stupid idea to sell systems without a hdd, and call it a plus. :(

[jeffbax]

No, you just used the term apologist and I think it does matter if you had a issue personally. I was just hoping you did at least have an experience yourself and were not getting angry over other people's misfortune. My system has been going fine, so liking 360 wouldn't make me an apologist because they have no reason for me to be upset with them, or forgive them.

Evil was talking about all the benchmarks and personal exp of having pc games run like shit, and pc fan boys come kick dirt on him. He could call them apologist but they aren't apologist as they may have never had a bad exp personally. [spoiler]no but fa real them shits is magic pc and that's a fucking fact[/spoilers]

3 xboxs? Damn. I did have one normal xbox die, but after getting a better bigger HDD in that bad boy, it was golden. I think the external drive shows they did learn something. A system shouldn't rely on a hard drive, cause they die. That's life. But some how that gave them the truly stupid idea to sell systems without a hdd, and call it a plus. :(
If I was a MS hater, I wouldn't have a fulltime jobe coding in .NET. This doesn't mean I can't call a lemon a lemon. I think there's a difference between anecdotal evidence and a 2 billion dollar warrant extension and the huge failure rate of the 360 being above and beyond any other consumer electronic device I've ever heard.

My current Xbox is running nicely finally, to be fair the failures were shitty Thompson drives, but after DVD-Rom issues again on the 360 and then a RROD even when I didn't really use it much - I have a pretty big mistrust in MS consumer electronics.

This thread has gone too far off topic though, the reliability past has nothing to do with the fact that whether or not these were Jasper's from here on out was a relevant topic for discussion.

[Xerxes]

If I was a MS hater, I wouldn't have a fulltime jobe coding in .NET. This doesn't mean I can't call a lemon a lemon. I think there's a difference between anecdotal evidence and a 2 billion dollar warrant extension and the huge failure rate of the 360 being above and beyond any other consumer electronic device I've ever heard.

My current Xbox is running nicely finally, to be fair the failures were shitty Thompson drives, but after DVD-Rom issues again on the 360 and then a RROD even when I didn't really use it much - I have a pretty big mistrust in MS consumer electronics.

This thread has gone too far off topic though, the reliability past has nothing to do with the fact that whether or not these were Jasper's from here on out was a relevant topic for discussion.

I just want a Jasper for hope of less heat. A new system period will be for the bigger drive and hdmi. I don't distrust them although I know of the horror stories. Heat is a issue for all these systems that want to sit in your living room. My PS3 is just as bad. But it's a 60GB so I love it. The Wii is in the living room now, but even then it was a hot box.

[oldjadedgamer]

I think there's a difference between anecdotal evidence and a 2 billion dollar warrant extension and the huge failure rate of the 360 being above and beyond any other consumer electronic device I've ever heard.

You never heard of the PS2 before? The same PS2 that Sony settled a class action lawsuit over faulty PS2 units? Did you just start gaming this generation? I personally have had 3 different PS2 units all go down over Disc Read Errors.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/playstation.html

back on topic... it will be interesting to see what Sony does this Christmas to combat this price drop considering it's the first current generation system to hit the $199 price point.

[jeffbax]

You never heard of the PS2 before? The same PS2 that Sony settled a class action lawsuit over faulty PS2 units? Did you just start gaming this generation? I personally have had 3 different PS2 units all go down over Disc Read Errors.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/playstation.html

back on topic... it will be interesting to see what Sony does this Christmas to combat this price drop considering it's the first current generation system to hit the $199 price point.

I know about the PS2 issues, but I fail to see how the PS2 having issues excuses the 360. Additionally, for a machine with over 140 million in sales, I don't think it has affected nearly as big a proportion of machines as the 360 issue (which is arguably 100% being that its a defect of design)

As for Sony combatting this, they have their work cut out for them and I hope they respond, price wars only help gamers, but even if the 360 was cheap I'd still want to be sure that the machine's defects were finally fixed (although for me, that boat has sailed)

[Xerxes]

I know about the PS2 issues, but I fail to see how the PS2 having issues excuses the 360. Additionally, for a machine with over 140 million in sales, I don't think it has affected nearly as big a proportion of machines as the 360 issue (which is arguably 100% being that its a defect of design)

As for Sony combatting this, they have their work cut out for them and I hope they respond, price wars only help gamers, but even if the 360 was cheap I'd still want to be sure that the machine's defects were finally fixed (although for me, that boat has sailed)

I haven't heard the cries of the latest machines dying. It's been rather quiet regarding that as of late. I wouldn't doubt it happens but it's not like a few years ago.

[Pumped'Up]

Microsoft's motto:

quantity over quality

[Talon-]

You never heard of the PS2 before? The same PS2 that Sony settled a class action lawsuit over faulty PS2 units? Did you just start gaming this generation? I personally have had 3 different PS2 units all go down over Disc Read Errors.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/playstation.html

back on topic... it will be interesting to see what Sony does this Christmas to combat this price drop considering it's the first current generation system to hit the $199 price point.

OJG, pointing the finger at another console's reliability doesn't really make the 360's reliability any better.

The NES would inevitably fail, too. Guess what? That isn't relevant to this thread.

[Talon-]

I haven't heard the cries of the latest machines dying. It's been rather quiet regarding that as of late. I wouldn't doubt it happens but it's not like a few years ago.

Yeah, we have a Falcon box, and I'm crossing my fingers that it won't fail. I guess they have been out on the market for less than a year, so we won't know if they fail as often as the previous.

I would hope for my brother's sake that the Falcons will be fine.

[Xerxes]

Yeah, we have a Falcon box, and I'm crossing my fingers that it won't fail. I guess they have been out on the market for less than a year, so we won't know if they fail as often as the previous.

I would hope for my brother's sake that the Falcons will be fine.

They was dying off on average I would say about the 8 month mark.

[JimmyDanger]

Microsoft's motto:

quantity over quality

Pumped'Up's motto.

Flame over Bait.

[Talon-]

They was dying off on average I would say about the 8 month month mark.

Damn it, Xerxes, you man god, you just jinxed us.

[Xerxes]

Damn it, Xerxes, you man god, you just jinxed us.

Just saying, if it was going to happen, people would be having a hissy fit already.

[oldjadedgamer]

OJG, pointing the finger at another console's reliability doesn't really make the 360's reliability any better.

The NES would inevitably fail, too. Guess what? That isn't relevant to this thread.

I'm not saying two wrongs make a right. He said he had never heard of hardware failures outside of the 360 so I reminded him of the first ever class action lawsuit that was settled out of court by a game company over faulty hardware.

And yes, it didn't take 20 years for the PS2 hardware to fail like your NES example... that class action lawsuit was started around 2 years after the US launch of the system.

[jeffbax]

He said he had never heard of hardware failures outside of the 360

LOL WHAT? Now you're just completely making shit up.

[Drinking_Buddy]

Its still to high for me.

I want the regular Xbox360, so I can experiance Live and all that. But I refuse to pay $300 for a system that has been out for 3 years and be expected to pay 60$ for each game.

I'll stick with WoW, Steam, PS2 and my DS until the Xbox360 comes into a reasonable price.