Nintendo and McDonalds Team Up

[NoName]

In a continual effort to push their online service, IGN is reporting that Nintendo is teaming up with McDonalds (http://ds.ign.com/articles/659/659005p1.html) to offer WiFi hotspots accross the nation.

Nintendo of America on Tuesday will announce a groundbreaking partnership with Wi-Fi provider Wayport to make available free Internet access to DS owners at McDonald's restaurants across the nation. Nintendo and Wayport will offer complimentary Wi-Fi hotspots at McDonald's establishments, enabling DS owners to use the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection, which launches November 14 in the states, to play online games with or against each other.
My own negative feelings towards McDonalds aside, this will probably be a big boost for Nintendo (as well as their DS sales). All the little kids who whine wanting to goto McDonalds will see other kids playing their DS while there. They then will whine until they get one too...

[bapenguin]

After watching Supersize Me, I honestly can not eat Mc Donald's ever again.

[TrackZero]

After watching Supersize Me, I honestly can not eat Mc Donald's ever again.

A very one-sided movie. If you read up on the stats for all their food, it's really the fries that do it to you. If you just get a burger, you're not that bad off. Though, obviously it's not something you should have more than once or twice a month. There's nothing wrong it every once in awhile. Just balance your foods.

Edit: Oh yeah, aside from that, this is genius marketing.

[Ernst_Jager]

Sweet, looks like I will know where to go when I need to pwn some noobs!

[Xerxes]

Very one sided. There's this one lady, not filming anything but she is debunking that guy by being on a all McDonalds diet and actually loosing wait. The Arches gives you the nutrional values of the stuff based on some law out there and she's counting calories and all kinda shit. Doing normal exercises like cutting grass and i think she only does 30 minutes a day.

I didn't see super size me but it looked(trailer) like he just ate, went to his apartment and did nothing. Eating and doing nothing at all with any food will fuck you up.

[Kelegacy]

A very one-sided movie. If you read up on the stats for all their food, it's really the fries that do it to you. If you just get a burger, you're not that bad off. Though, obviously it's not something you should have more than once or twice a month. There's nothing wrong it every once in awhile. Just balance your foods.

Who gets just a burger, though? And there are a good many people that eat there several times a week, like people in my office. I believe the movie's function was to show just how bad the stuff was for you.

And just a burger? Those things are near 40 grams of fat. If a daily intake is recommended at less than 60 grams, that's outrageous. And that's not even eating the fries.

So yay, kids eating outrageously unhealthy food and sitting on their butts playing videogames. What a one-two punch that is.

[agentgray]

Back on topic (lot of hi-jacks lately).

Nintendo 4 teh wifey win. I'm getting so disapointed in my PSP purchase.

[NoName]

Back on topic (lot of hi-jacks lately).

Nintendo 4 teh wifey win. I'm getting so disapointed in my PSP purchase.
Eh, the hi-jacks aren't that bad around here... until the master of pwn shows up...

And while the Nintendo fanboy in me is giddy with the WiFi online gaming, they haven't got the win until it's up and actually working. Here's to hoping launch day goes off without a hitch...

[bapenguin]

It's not just exactly what happens to him that makes me not want to eat it (though that figures into the equation), it's really the scene in the car when he eats the whole meal and vomits. It just makes me realize how grotesque their food really is.

[EvilBob46]

After watching Supersize Me, I honestly can not eat Mc Donald's ever again.

Teaming up with McDonald's, a place where millions of people eat every day...even though it's bad for you health! What was Nintendo thinking?

[Orz]

If McDonalds is offering a wifi hotspot, swell. But how does it block out other wifi equipment besides the DS? Can you say use a PSP at McDonald's?

I wonder what the range is. There's a McDonald's about 200m from where I work. Knowing McD's, it'll likely be confined to the restaurant.

[Roc Ingersol]

The guy went from an 1800 calorie a day diet to a 6000 calorie a day diet.
If you forced yourself to eat 6000 calories of vegetables every day you'd get sick too.

What was Nintendo thinking?
Probably that McDonalds has an absurd number of stores, and this move gives them a broad tangible network that immediately means something to their target audience.

[Roc Ingersol]

If McDonalds is offering a wifi hotspot, swell. But how does it block out other wifi equipment besides the DS? Can you say use a PSP at McDonald's?
The DS doesn't have a TCP stack. Its proprietary protocol runs at layer 3 over 802.11.

McDonalds could offer DS 'ni-fi' network access, and nothing else, if they wanted.

They could also filter devices by manufacturer code (first 3 bytes of your MAC address -- puns left to the reader). But we all know that MAC filters dont' keep anyone out that's putting up any sort of effort.

It depends what sort of routers they're using. So probably just the DS, unless they feel like being generous and routing TCP/IP traffic to 'teh internets'.
But I wouldn't characterize either corporation as generous.

[bapenguin]

Actually, my local MCDonald's already offers wi-fi. I think there's quite a few that do now.

[Roc Ingersol]

Free to teh internets?

Then what are those idiots at Starbucks paying for?

[netcraazzy]

This may be a great way to get little kids to play DS but what about the older demographic? I just don't see myself playing DS in a McDonalds with a bunch of little kids any time soon. Also, If what Roc Ingersol says is correct about the DS not using TCP/IP then we are pretty much SOL when it comes to playing DS through our home wireless routers no?

[51|RandoM]

Free to teh internets?

Then what are those idiots at Starbucks paying for?

Peace and quiet, vs. the three ring circus that is your typical mcdonalds.

The movie just proves on old adage, moderation in all things, including moderation.

[Cubfan]

I like McDonald's, but eat it at most once a week and its never made me vomit. Well I can't say I haven't vomitted McDonald's before, but that was most likely caused by the alcohol and not the food itself.

[Roc Ingersol]

Peace and quiet, vs. the three ring circus that is your typical mcdonalds.
I dunno, my car's pretty quiet.
And I'm sure the lot across the street from the Arches probably is too.

then we are pretty much SOL when it comes to playing DS through our home wireless routers no?
The AP should link DSs within your home without a problem, but yeah, routing your games from the AP onto the internet wouldn't happen without tunneling software, or some future game implementing TCP/IP itself. (nothing to stop this, technically)

Think of Ni-Fi like a wireless IPX/SPX -- it works over the same physical hardware, but not the same way. It'll need something like a modern Kali to work over the IP internets.
(if you've been a gamer long enough, that analogy will make sense ;))

EDIT: Now that I think about it, a VPN tunnel might work out-of-the-box, if your router supports it.

[Opty]

No no no no! The DS fully supports wireless routers out of the box. If you want, take a glance at the fourth movie here at jeux france (http://www.jeux-france.com/downloads4665_video-mario-kart-ds.html) to you'll see the Wifi options in action (in Spanish). Plus someone at IGN verified it when he tested the Wifi network on this Linksys router with no modifications and it worked 100%, but I don't have the link to that on hand.

[Heretic Machine]

Ok, maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure people in this thread don't understand that the DS can connect to other DS's in two ways. One is through a proprietary connection, which only connects to other DS's. The other is through regular wi-fi, with which it can connect to the internet. We already have the proprietary networking going on with games like Metroid Prime: Hunters, but the internet connection won't be active until Animal Crossing, Mario Kart... etc hit the shelves.

And McDonalds already offers wi-fi in many areas, and are working towards having wi-fi up in every McDonalds around the country. I'm guessing this "partnership" will just have to do with advertisment and wi-fi config.

[TrackZero]

Who gets just a burger, though? And there are a good many people that eat there several times a week, like people in my office. I believe the movie's function was to show just how bad the stuff was for you.

And just a burger? Those things are near 40 grams of fat. If a daily intake is recommended at less than 60 grams, that's outrageous. And that's not even eating the fries.

So yay, kids eating outrageously unhealthy food and sitting on their butts playing videogames. What a one-two punch that is.

Well people not eating responsibility isn't my problem. I'm glad their tasty food is there, if people can't handle basic nutrition then they're in a lot of trouble, with or without McDonalds. If they aren't taught that in school, then maybe that's what people should be looking at first, before blaming corporations.

I mean, really, I've known that eating McDonalds isn't good for you since I was a child, it's just common sense. People who eat there every day have some serious issues either with denial or self-control.

This is the kind of no-brain thinking that I find disgusting. It's always someone elses fault because people are too stupid to manage their own lives. Coffee is too hot? Sue. Your kid drank Draino? Sue. God forbid people take personal responsibility to protect themselves (and their own kids) from things that should be obvious. This is the very same type of no-brain thinking which causes parents to try and sue game companies for their kids hurting themselves or other people.

McDonalds can make you fat, is high in sodium and cholesterol!

DUH.

But that doesn't mean it should be banned because some jackhole can't control himself.

Edit: Sorry for the bit of a rant, but I'm just sick and tired of people ragging on McDonalds. They're hardly the worst fast-food offender out there, and at this point people are well aware of the issues surrounding it, but many people still go there, because it provides a service we want.

[Liquidize105]

Listen you guys, the secret to buying fastfood and staying lean is:

Get the burger with the grilled chicken paddie, stay away from the cried or the hamburger paddie. Buy a small size fries and no larger than medium size drink.

Go easy on the catsup and NO mayo! :D

[Roc Ingersol]

The other is through regular wi-fi, with which it can connect to the internet. We already have the proprietary networking going on with games like Metroid Prime: Hunters, but the internet connection won't be active until Animal Crossing, Mario Kart... etc hit the shelves.
Which is what I said. Specific games would need to implement TCP/IP if it's going to leave your home network without tunneling. But peer-to-peer would work just fine through any 802.11b AP, acting as a glorified repeater.

[Roc Ingersol]

Listen you guys, the secret to buying fastfood and staying lean is:
Exercise.

fatasses.

[Liquidize105]

I'm saying if you can't avoid it.

Exercise goes without saying. Who'd honestly say that they don't have 30 mins a day to run 2 miles with?

[Heretic Machine]

Secret to being happy in life: Eat till you're full, do what is fun, don't worry too much about what you look like or how long you're going to live.

[NoName]

Secret to being happy in life: Eat till you're full, do what is fun, don't worry too much about what you look like or how long you're going to live.
Right, so we're going to have a lot of happy fat kids playing Mario Kart on their DS.

Luckily I don't eat at McDonalds and I have a metabolism of the gods besides...

[Bone]

Roc, you are misleading everyone here. Although the DS may not have a TCP/IP stack right now, the TCP/IP stack is simply software that needs to be included with new games (or even a firmware update). Nintendo has made it clear that the DS will work on normal wi-fi connections- there is no need to spread FUD.

Today, the DS requires tunneling. When Nintendo officially supports Wi-Fi, there will be no need for anything other than a wireless connection.

[Kelegacy]

Secret to being happy in life: Eat till you're full, do what is fun, don't worry too much about what you look like or how long you're going to live.

And die of a coronary at the age of 35, alone and a virgin. Good motto.

[NoName]

Today, the DS requires tunneling. When Nintendo officially supports Wi-Fi, there will be no need for anything other than a wireless connection.
Wait, so is there DS tunneling software to allow me to play the currrent multiplayer games over the internet?

[Chagrinful]

After watching McLibel and Supersize me, and reading about stuff, I'd rather not support McDonalds in any shape or form, but FUCK YOU NINTENDO I'd love to get my DS Wifi on, shit, nintendo and all their diabolical alliances, first Gayspy now THIS, FUCK!

[Kelegacy]

Well people not eating responsibility isn't my problem. I'm glad their tasty food is there, if people can't handle basic nutrition then they're in a lot of trouble, with or without McDonalds. If they aren't taught that in school, then maybe that's what people should be looking at first, before blaming corporations.

I mean, really, I've known that eating McDonalds isn't good for you since I was a child, it's just common sense. People who eat there every day have some serious issues either with denial or self-control.

This is the kind of no-brain thinking that I find disgusting. It's always someone elses fault because people are too stupid to manage their own lives. Coffee is too hot? Sue. Your kid drank Draino? Sue. God forbid people take personal responsibility to protect themselves (and their own kids) from things that should be obvious. This is the very same type of no-brain thinking which causes parents to try and sue game companies for their kids hurting themselves or other people.

McDonalds can make you fat, is high in sodium and cholesterol!

DUH.

But that doesn't mean it should be banned because some jackhole can't control himself.

Edit: Sorry for the bit of a rant, but I'm just sick and tired of people ragging on McDonalds. They're hardly the worst fast-food offender out there, and at this point people are well aware of the issues surrounding it, but many people still go there, because it provides a service we want.

The thing is, they market themselves to children. Yes, it's only food, but in time it can kill you just as likely as cigarettes.

You know, this is sort of like substituting Take Two for McDonalds and replacing the food with GTA. However, there's a label on games that says this should not be played by anyone under 17 because of extreme gore and violence. McDonalds doesnt have signs when you walk in that says you can die if you eat too much of their food.

Maybe there should be Surgeon General warnings on unhealthy foods like Little Debbie cakes and pork rinds. I mean, there is on alcohol and cigarettes, and people obviously eat more than they smoke or drink (or in theory, should).

Suing McDonalds for being fat is stupid. Suing big tobacco for killing your husband is stupid. However, Supersize Me brought up some great points about these corporations: their marketing. We all know Americans can be stupid. Eating is a pasttime for us. It should be the parent's responsibility to watch what their children eat, or care but many don't. (I see my friends raising their children to love Oreos and McDonalds and other trans-fat filled deadlies) The mascot of McDonalds is a clown and he has cartoony friends. They offer toys with meals so kids will want to come back and get another. The food is not a sandwich pak like Subway's. It's deep fried, greasy, and unhealthy. Some places are giving juice boxes now, but those are sometimes not completely juice and loaded with sugar. They entice children and thus parents have to come along, too, and pay for them. It's like smack for kiddies. Children were able to name Ronald McDonald's picture but didn't know George Washington or Jesus.

Me, I grew up on McDonalds food, snack cakes, soda, and everything that wasn't a vegetable. My family still eats that junk, and smokes to boot. We are not fat, because of incredible metabolism. However, not being fat does not mean they are not unhealthy. I went to college and I now live on my own, so I don't have to be around that junk food 24/7. Heart disease runs rampant in our family, and I don't want to die in 10 years. My children will not eat at McDonalds, or if they do, it will be extremely rare. It's hard though, when they see the toys and Ronald on television.

I agree with most everything you said TrackZero, don't get me wrong. Supersize Me's creator tried to have discussions with McDonalds, but many times they ignored him. Not long after he completed the documentary, McDonalds came out with the salad and water meals. Supersize Me showed the obvious, yes, that if you eat McDonalds for as little as a month (or a few weeks/days--within a very short period of time he was thinking of quitting the experiment and his doctors begged him to stop--his insides looked like that of an alcoholics) it can have serious repercussions. Food that can hurt you so fast is scary, and makes people rethink the whole fast-food scheme, like our friend bapenguin.

I don't find McDonald's tasty anymore, not since I got older. It makes me sick after eating it, stomachaches galore. I think childrens' tastes are not yet mature enough to discern quality, so they love the food. Plus, the toy is a massive incentive to eat it.

[Manzy]

For some reason this reminds me of Treasure's McDonald's Treasure Land Adventure


Greatness + McDonalds = crap?

[mister_slim]

I am under the impression this would also include Wayport's other locations, mostly airports and hotels, so this should work pretty well for business travellers.

[Bone]

Wait, so is there DS tunneling software to allow me to play the currrent multiplayer games over the internet?

Er... not exactly :) I should have said, today, you would need to write a tunneling app and use a specific wireless card to get a DS online, while Nintendo's support will simply require a wi-fi connection.

[Heretic Machine]

And die of a coronary at the age of 35, alone and a virgin. Good motto

Ya, whatever man. My great grandparents wouldn't eat anything that wasn't soaked in lard, and they lived WELL OVER the average life span. My dad eats way worse than me, he's still alive and well at nearly age fifty. I have excellent blood preassure, and no serious health problems of any kind.

[Kagger]

I eat fast food once a week with my family...

I'll have high blood pressure when I grow up...no doubt...and probably diabetes.


Also, I'm a very picky eat....I hardly eat any vegetables and no fruit

[dr_wily]

kagger gets the award for most unreadable post today

[NoName]

kagger gets the award for most unreadable post today
But I'd have to agree with him on the hardly eatting vegetables part. Meat is definately the main part of my diet o.0

[Kelegacy]

Ya, whatever man. My great grandparents wouldn't eat anything that wasn't soaked in lard, and they lived WELL OVER the average life span. My dad eats way worse than me, he's still alive and well at nearly age fifty. I have excellent blood preassure, and no serious health problems of any kind.

You are still young. Wait a few more years and your metabolism will slow. That will be the start. Rarely do people die of complications from obesity or heart disease in their 20's.

Bad eating habits as a youth stretch into adulthood. That's where the danger lies.

When you level up next, you might want to put a few more points into that luck statistic, just in case.

[pomeroy]

And to the dude who talked about the girl who is losing (LOSING. Learn to spell) weight on the McDonald's diet...is she following the diet that Morgan Spurlock set out? Is she not exercising? Because I'm sure she's eating salads and jogging. And if that's the case, than the point she is making is moot...Spurlock's point was that many people eat this food all the time and don't exercise and it is VERY BAD FOR THEM. That was all.

[TrackZero]

The thing is, they market themselves to children. Yes, it's only food, but in time it can kill you just as likely as cigarettes.

You know, this is sort of like substituting Take Two for McDonalds and replacing the food with GTA. However, there's a label on games that says this should not be played by anyone under 17 because of extreme gore and violence. McDonalds doesnt have signs when you walk in that says you can die if you eat too much of their food.

Maybe there should be Surgeon General warnings on unhealthy foods like Little Debbie cakes and pork rinds. I mean, there is on alcohol and cigarettes, and people obviously eat more than they smoke or drink (or in theory, should).

Suing McDonalds for being fat is stupid. Suing big tobacco for killing your husband is stupid. However, Supersize Me brought up some great points about these corporations: their marketing. We all know Americans can be stupid. Eating is a pasttime for us. It should be the parent's responsibility to watch what their children eat, or care but many don't. (I see my friends raising their children to love Oreos and McDonalds and other trans-fat filled deadlies) The mascot of McDonalds is a clown and he has cartoony friends. They offer toys with meals so kids will want to come back and get another. The food is not a sandwich pak like Subway's. It's deep fried, greasy, and unhealthy. Some places are giving juice boxes now, but those are sometimes not completely juice and loaded with sugar. They entice children and thus parents have to come along, too, and pay for them. It's like smack for kiddies. Children were able to name Ronald McDonald's picture but didn't know George Washington or Jesus.

Me, I grew up on McDonalds food, snack cakes, soda, and everything that wasn't a vegetable. My family still eats that junk, and smokes to boot. We are not fat, because of incredible metabolism. However, not being fat does not mean they are not unhealthy. I went to college and I now live on my own, so I don't have to be around that junk food 24/7. Heart disease runs rampant in our family, and I don't want to die in 10 years. My children will not eat at McDonalds, or if they do, it will be extremely rare. It's hard though, when they see the toys and Ronald on television.

I agree with most everything you said TrackZero, don't get me wrong. Supersize Me's creator tried to have discussions with McDonalds, but many times they ignored him. Not long after he completed the documentary, McDonalds came out with the salad and water meals. Supersize Me showed the obvious, yes, that if you eat McDonalds for as little as a month (or a few weeks/days--within a very short period of time he was thinking of quitting the experiment and his doctors begged him to stop--his insides looked like that of an alcoholics) it can have serious repercussions. Food that can hurt you so fast is scary, and makes people rethink the whole fast-food scheme, like our friend bapenguin.

I don't find McDonald's tasty anymore, not since I got older. It makes me sick after eating it, stomachaches galore. I think childrens' tastes are not yet mature enough to discern quality, so they love the food. Plus, the toy is a massive incentive to eat it.

McDonalds hasn't really marketed themselves towards children for some time now. I can't even remember the last time I saw Ronald McDonald on a TV commercial. It's been the "I'm Lov'in It" young-adult brand for at least the last 4-5 years.

Why should they have a sign saying "you might die if you just eat only this food for the rest of your life"? No other food company or restaurant does. It's the same effect. No human can eat the same exact food all day every day, your body needs a variety of food. (Well, technically the only food that has everything you need is Bananas, and that's it.) Why should I put McDonalds on some pedestal over this? Once again, this is a "DUH" factor, fast food is not healthy, you cannot eat it every day. If you're that stupid, quite bluntly, I'll be glad when some Darwinism comes into effect.

"It should be the parent's responsibility to watch what their children eat, or care but many don't." Again, this comes down the pure issue at hand. Who is responsible for raising people's children? Parents? The state? Corporations?

No excuses, it's parents. Any leeway given to them saying it's someone elses fault again removes the responsibility and points it elsewhere.

Toy? I'm not buying the children's meal. I acknowledge that McDonalds still does have some kids-orientation, but not nearly to how they did in the 80s. But again, it's parents who bring their kids there, and I'm not willing to pass off the buck with excuses like "it's tough being a parent, it's so much easier to do XXX".

Personally I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE McDonalds. It's so freaking good. But I'm more than aware of how it's a "treat" and something I'll only have on occasion. I take my health quite seriously these days, but everything in moderation is still good.

I agree that Supersize me did raise awareness, and I thought that was a good message. However I was adamantly against how slanted the movie was, without any frame of reference. This guy didn't exercise at all, he always made sure to supersize and put no effort into educating himself on the foods stats (calories, sodium, fat, carbs, etc). And quite bluntly, it's not hard to find a doctor (who could have much of his own personal bias) who'd immediately play along for the camera with bold claims about "you're going to die!" for drama. I mean, at the very basic level, anyone should know that if you're consuming high amounts of calories, you should be making sure to excercise and use that or it's going to turn into fat (insert 'DUH' flag here). So that's why I'm tired of people going on and on about the ills of McDonalds due to some brainwashing in a movie. It's the same problem as before, people aren't thinking for themselves, they're just repeating some "fact" they heard in a movie. Do some fucking research people!

http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.index1.html

I also find it amusing, because you guys don't even have the "Double Big Mac" in the states (at least from what I can see on those charts). Yet the U.S. is known to be fatter on average than Canada.

http://www.mcdonalds.ca/en/food/ingredient.aspx?menuid=97

[TrackZero]

When you level up next, you might want to put a few more points into that luck statistic, just in case.

LOL, nice call.

[TrackZero]

I eat fast food once a week with my family...

I'll have high blood pressure when I grow up...no doubt...and probably diabetes.


Also, I'm a very picky eat....I hardly eat any vegetables and no fruit

Interesting fact, they found a large factor in diabetes is directly linked to if your mother had lots of sugar and candy in the year or two before puberty. (Edit: When SHE was young, obviously that would have nothing to do with you....)

If it was a case where you ate properly yourself and still got it, you could blame her. ;)

[Heretic Machine]

I hope people in this post realize that health nuts are just as annoying as Jack Thompson. If not more.

[Kelegacy]

I hope people in this post realize that health nuts are just as annoying as Jack Thompson. If not more.

Problem is, health plans and premiums rise (mine are going up) because people can't take care of themselves with a little diet and exercise. My employer just instituted a voluntary Health Risk Assessment, where, if you meet your goals 3 times a year, you earn an extra monetary bonus at year's end. My bonus is coming in December. Plus, after each of the 3 meetings, you receive another small stipend for meeting goals--about 25 bucks. They pretend it's to keep people healthy, but it only helps them keep health-care premiums down...or in theory, they hope. Healthier people are happier people (Tom Cruise, though a nutjob, had a point when he said some depression can be cured by changes in diet and exercise...the brain is a wonderous thing) usually don't see the doctor as often as people who don't give a rat's ass about their lifestyles.

However, I don't enjoy condoms. That's a risk I take. I do enjoy my beer, but it's in moderation these days. I'm not a health nut; I want to see my children grow up and actually live to see my seventy-fifth birthday sans a respirator or daily prescription of Lipitor.

Then again, I work for a hospital, so I see unhealthy people everyday. It's like self-mutilation. It gets to you after awhile.

[Chimpbot]

Ya, whatever man. My great grandparents wouldn't eat anything that wasn't soaked in lard, and they lived WELL OVER the average life span. My dad eats way worse than me, he's still alive and well at nearly age fifty. I have excellent blood preassure, and no serious health problems of any kind.

Yeah, most great grandparents ate like that.
You have to remember, though, that they did so for a reason; they worked their asses off and used all of the energy they consumed. My great grandmother lived in Virgina...if you want to see a massive meal, just go to an southern elderly woman's home. Moutains of food...it was painful, really. She cooked like that for two reasons; not only did she have a relatively large family to feed, but they simply required a vast amount of energy to get the day's work and chores taken care of. They ate massive amoutns of sausage and gravy for breakfast...very greasy, fatty foods...but their overall health was decent. Their bodies never got a chance to store the fat, because most of it would have been metabolized by the end of the day.
With our seditary lifestyles, people can't eat like that anymore. I know I can't; I'd be painfully obese if I tried.

That's why I don't buy the, "my grandparents ate like that, so I can too!" arguments. They just aren't applicable.

[Roc Ingersol]

Roc, you are misleading everyone here. Although the DS may not have a TCP/IP stack right now, the TCP/IP stack is simply software that needs to be included with new games (or even a firmware update). Nintendo has made it clear that the DS will work on normal wi-fi connections- there is no need to spread FUD.
Dude, how can I be misleading anyone when that is what I said from the beginning.

There's no fud. I outlined how their network works now, and what technically would need to happen for it to work they way everyone wants it to. (specific games implement TCP/IP and/or tunneling software)

wtf man? I don't get a cookie everytime someone doesn't buy a DS. I just thought I'd let EvAv users know how the damn thing works. Christ.

Today, the DS requires tunneling. When Nintendo officially supports Wi-Fi, there will be no need for anything other than a wireless connection.You mean... just what I said the first time?

Come on.

[TrackZero]

However, I don't enjoy condoms. That's a risk I take.

Whoa there man, that's NO small risk. You shouldn't even be complaining about fast food as a risk if you're out doing that. (Unless, and, not to be insulting, you aren't actually having sex, which obviously that wouldn't matter then....)

[Kelegacy]

Whoa there man, that's NO small risk. You shouldn't even be complaining about fast food as a risk if you're out doing that. (Unless, and, not to be insulting, you aren't actually having sex, which obviously that wouldn't matter then....)

Why the hell are people that post in videogame forums always labled as involuntarily celibate creatures? Because I like gaming doesn't mean I revolve my entire life around it, missing out on the finer pleasures in life like the comfort of a woman's sex. I said I don't enjoy condoms, not that I am a whore who has sex without them wherever I go. I wouldn't think of not using one unless it was someone I had been with for a while, and then the main risk would be pregnancy, but there's always the pill. Coupled with the pill, sex, sans a condom, is how it was intended to feel. (I estimate condoms inhibit sensation by about 75 percent).

Jeebus, this got off topic in a hurry. Anyway, don't be a dubbah, wear a rubbah. Buckle your safety belt. Eat healthy foods low in fat, and always throw salt over your shoulder after you spill it. Sacrifice an infant child to Jhazarad, Lord of Entropy, every 6th week, and twice in April. Heed those words of advice and you may live a long and fruitful life.

[TrackZero]

Why the hell are people that post in videogame forums always labled as involuntarily celibate creatures? Because I like gaming doesn't mean I revolve my entire life around it, missing out on the finer pleasures in life like the comfort of a woman's sex. I said I don't enjoy condoms, not that I am a whore who has sex without them wherever I go. I wouldn't think of not using one unless it was someone I had been with for a while, and then the main risk would be pregnancy, but there's always the pill. Coupled with the pill, sex, sans a condom, is how it was intended to feel. (I estimate condoms inhibit sensation by about 75 percent).

Jeebus, this got off topic in a hurry. Anyway, don't be a dubbah, wear a rubbah. Buckle your safety belt. Eat healthy foods low in fat, and always throw salt over your shoulder after you spill it. Sacrifice an infant child to Jhazarad, Lord of Entropy, every 6th week, and twice in April. Heed those words of advice and you may live a long and fruitful life.

Good stuff man, was just looking for some clarification there, wasn't trying to imply anything about who you are, was just shocked because it sounded like you were advocating not using protection. ;)

[Kelegacy]

Good stuff man, was just looking for some clarification there, wasn't trying to imply anything about who you are, was just shocked because it sounded like you were advocating not using protection. ;)

Well, it's actually refreshing to have a pseudo-debate with a rational being. I appreciate you being grounded in reality, Track. You don't get that around here very often. Ironically, you could substitute McDonald's for Take Two or Rockstar and we'd have a near-identical discussion about how parents should be accountable for their children's game playing, and not blame the companies for the games they produce.

I also saw an old Seinfeld rerun last night where Jerry saw some woman feeding her baby greasy corned beef at Monk's and he said, "Isn't that child abuse?" Makes you wonder sometimes.

[TrackZero]

Well, it's actually refreshing to have a pseudo-debate with a rational being. I appreciate you being grounded in reality, Track. You don't get that around here very often. Ironically, you could substitute McDonald's for Take Two or Rockstar and we'd have a near-identical discussion about how parents should be accountable for their children's game playing, and not blame the companies for the games they produce.

I also saw an old Seinfeld rerun last night where Jerry saw some woman feeding her baby greasy corned beef at Monk's and he said, "Isn't that child abuse?" Makes you wonder sometimes.

Thanks for the compliment man. ;)