J. Allard playing games with Halo 3?

[Major Dan]

Article with J. Allard (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/244782_software17.html) from the Seattle Post

The original "Halo" was 4-and-a half years in development. The next "Halo," people gave us a lot of heat for slipping it, what, six months from the originally anticipated date. But it was the most successful title on the Xbox platform, one of the most influential titles of the entire last generation. And so we're glad we waited. The next Bungie title, I think you can expect not more of the same, but rather a title that holds itself to that same kind of bar.

Q: But you're saying "the next Bungie title" -- you're not saying "Halo 3." You're not confirming there's a "Halo 3."

Allard: There is going to be a "Halo" movie. I can confirm that.
Man, I wish he wouldn't play games like this! I know Bungie could be making any number of games, but I really want to play Halo 3. What do you all think?

[Nighthold]

That I really don't care about Halo 3. It will be just like Halo 2, but prettier (maybe). Frankly I would rather bungie actually make something new and original.

[Murtaug]

I think it is pretty stupid, not to insult anyone, to think there will not be a Halo 3. It's not like the name Halo itself does not sell a game. Love it or hate it, there will be a third, and maybe a fourth, and perhaps even any number of other games.. Halo RTS anyone? That's what it was originally going to be anyway.

[Savok]

I'd like the rest of Halo 2 personally.

[Borys]

Halo 3 launching near or before/after Halo movie.

It's just... obvious.

Maybe Bungie is so big (I really don't know, 200 people?) that they should and can prepare two titles for 360 in 2006.

[grimjoe]

i wouldn't mind playing halo 3, as long as they hire some "skilled" level designers/mappers.

[Varsity]

I think it is pretty stupid, not to insult anyone, to think there will not be a Halo 3.And I think it's pretty stupid you think there won't be. ;)

[Nighthold]

And I think it's pretty stupid you think there won't be. ;)

Wait... huh?

[ben_bot]

watch, you will be able to put Halo 2 into your 360 and get the full ending.

[kid cabelgo]

And I think it's pretty stupid you think there won't be. ;)

most confusing retort...ever

[IndependentGMR]

"...one of the most influential titles of the entire last generation."

That's kind of a bold statement. I'm not so sure I agree with that. Plus, I don't think the "last generation" is over yet. Don't get me wrong, I'm getting an Xbox 360. It just sounds like this guy is a douche bag, like the dude from Sony.

[Heretic Machine]

I'd like the rest of Halo 2 personally.


You know, people with this complaint must not actually read books or anything. Because if you did, you'd constantly be asking, "Where's the rest of this book? OH, I have to buy another one. That's how they get ya..."

Guess you hated Star Wars too, huh?

[DriveALW]

watch, you will be able to put Halo 2 into your 360 and get the full ending.

Cheesy or not, *that* would have sold consoles. Take Halo 2, pay a subdivision of Bungie to spend a year tweaking the graphics, load times, throw in online co-op and tack on two more levels. Pack that in with the 360. Boom. It's kind of a cop-out, but you can't tell me that wouldn't move a few 360s.

[IndependentGMR]

You know, people with this complaint must not actually read books or anything. Because if you did, you'd constantly be asking, "Where's the rest of this book? OH, I have to buy another one. That's how they get ya..."

Guess you hated Star Wars too, huh?

Good point, but books don't usually cost $50. If you're going to drop that kind of cash for a product, you could at least expect it to be satisfying.

[Hellstorm]

There is a Halo 3. They finally got stuff up and running this month.

[Tia]

I would much prefer to hear they are working on Oni 2, and this time with Multiplayer than on Halo 3. But that's probably just me.

[Mason]

There will be something Halo-esque enough to be considered a sequel. Whether it has the name or not doesn't matter, but MS would have Bungie lined up and shot if they decided to ditch the franchise for a fantasy RPG or something.

But I hear you on the levels. Even with Halo 2, when I watched the credits I expected to see "Level Design: Mrs. Wilkinson's Fourth Grade Class". Bungie can sit out this generation if they don't expect better from that whole department.

[Klade]

I thought it was already confirmed that the next bungie title will not be halo, thought they said that a while ago.

[ldi222]

The multiplayer levels are incredible in HALO2, the single player eh they were ok. Id take a new Halo every year with an updated engine, a few tweaks and some new maps ala madden. Seriously.

[Ernst_Jager]

Anyone that says Halo wasn't one of the most influential titles of the entire last generation is a quite frankly a idiot. I would argue that there probably isn't a single console game that has done more for online gaming.

[Zanzibar]

The multiplayer levels are incredible in HALO2, the single player eh they were ok. Id take a new Halo every year with an updated engine, a few tweaks and some new maps ala madden. Seriously.

Sign me up, too.

J Allard's picture in that link makes him look like a Conehead from that angle.

[Mason]

You know, people with this complaint must not actually read books or anything. Because if you did, you'd constantly be asking, "Where's the rest of this book? OH, I have to buy another one. That's how they get ya..."

Guess you hated Star Wars too, huh?

Nah, Halo 2's ending didn't even work as the suspenseful second part of a trilogy. Recall the ending to TESB. Everyone was safe (even Han, no one was going to kill him any time soon), but there was still an empire out there, friend to rescue, father to confront. But the empire and evil father weren't, like, having a brief coffee break in the next room.

Now, Halo 2. Nothing is even temporarily safe. Earth is still under siege (not that you hear about it after jetting off). The galaxy will still end if that one guy does something. John's taking a break for a little while while he's in pursuit, but that doesn't even remotely make it a TESB-style uneasy denouement. It's a short pause between levels with nothing close to resolution, and pretty damn artificial, considering how travel is considered instantaneous everywhere else in the game.

The series would've been a lot better had Halo 2 been fundamentally based around the defense of Earth, with all of the remote-Halo-trigger plotline being left for the third chapter.

[Wyrm]

Agreed. That's a wonderful analogy to explain that line of thinking.

[Zeal]

I would go so far as to say Halo 2 was the absolute worst sequel of all time.

In my opinion, the original Halo changed the way FPS were made forever. It's one of the most influential games of the last decade.

Halo 2 offered nothing. By nothing, I mean a terrible engine, nonexistent physics system, HORRIBLE story, unbalanced weapons, the worst AI ever seen, and a complete slap to the faces of Halo fans everywhere. I refuse to believe it was made by the team behind Halo.

To this day, I still believe most of the people responsible for Halo are now at Wideload Studios.

[if76]

You know, people with this complaint must not actually read books or anything. Because if you did, you'd constantly be asking, "Where's the rest of this book? OH, I have to buy another one. That's how they get ya..."

Guess you hated Star Wars too, huh?

Yes but usually a book in a series can stand alone as a self-contained narrative even if it doesn't tie up every last thread. Funny you mention Star Wars because even if each one leaves the viewer asking questions, they each still tell a complete story. Episode IV was the story of Luke's origin and the death star. Episode I was the story of Darth Maul, Anakin's origin, Jar Jar's rise to power (lame) etc.

Halo 2 was more like if Empire Strikes Back ended just as Luke was leaving Yoda for Cloud City. There was no climax, no resolution, no anything.

[Mac]

I would go so far as to say Halo 2 was the absolute worst sequel of all time.

I fervedly disagree with that. I don't understand how one could say that, Halo 2 was still, fundamentally, a fun and very enjoyable game. Was it perfect? No. But by no means was it a bad game.

[The_Darr]

I would much prefer to hear they are working on Oni 2, and this time with Multiplayer than on Halo 3. But that's probably just me.

oh man, i was afraid to say it. BOOYA for Oni!

[Zeal]

I fervedly disagree

I fervedly do not care. My hatred for Halo 2 is deeper than any man can know.

[Mason]

I fervedly do not care. My hatred for Halo 2 is deeper than any man can know.

And now please welcome to the stage a man whose irrational hatred toward Halo 2 makes me look like a Halo 2 sympathizer...*nervous laugh*...Zeal!

Someone requested more Futurama allusions earlier.

The trick with Halo 2 is that many of its greatest defenders like it mostly for multiplayer, while many of its greatest detractors dislike it for its single player. So maybe it is worth everyone clarifying on that one. If you're defending it just because you find the multiplayer awesome, that is meaningless when people are criticizing the single-player campaign.

It's like with Evangelion. About half the time when someone hates it, they watched it dubbed, which is indeed horrible. So the defenders and detractors aren't really talking about the same show, because Japanese Shinji is a deep and interesting character while I want to start punching American Shinji and never stop.

And my post was relevant so don't blame me if this results in a threadjack, har har.

[Last of the Red Hot Mamas]

Anyone that says Halo wasn't one of the most influential titles of the entire last generation is a quite frankly a idiot. I would argue that there probably isn't a single console game that has done more for online gaming.

But Halo 1 didn't even have online play. Halo 2 did, but by the time it came out I'd say online gaming was pretty well established.

[jwbxx]

Halo 1 had great gameplay because it felt so new and blarg. Halo 2 had the real been their done that feeling. The combat didnt seem to evolve. The multiplayer is still great. I think in halo 3 they should really try to give you more squad commands and crap so your men just dont walk around like brainless idiots.

I'll have to play halo 3 before I consider getting it.

[Zeal]

It is actually insulting for Bungie not to just come right out and confirm Halo 3 development.

Of course the game is in development, as confirmed by half of Microsoft. It's also fair to say it's been in development for a very long time.

Beating around the bush is just insulting. I will not be caught up in their bullshit hype machine this time around, I assure you that.

The product advertised as Halo 2 and the final game that was Halo 2 are NOT the same game.

Tons of promised features missing, including vehicles, weapons, melee combos, sprinting, virtually no story, etc. etc. I could go on forever. I could also call Halo 2 "Halo 1.5", but that would be insulting to the original.

Halo 2's ad camapign was borderline false advertising, and you can expect the same shit for Halo 3. I mean, for God sakes, compare the original X02 announce trailer's graphics to that of the final game's. It is NOT the same game.

Oh, and anyone remember this quote from the Discovery Channel interview: "We have huge space stations you can aim and fire". Oh really? How about the human flying vehicle, the Snow Hog, Transport Hog, Jungle Hog, SUV? These are just a few of HUNDREDS of examples.

The Halo 2 that was released can't even be considered a SKELETON of its former self.

To this very day, I believe the original Halo 2 project was moved to XBOX 360 development. All I know is that Pete Parsons (a Bungie employee) said on September 24th 2003, "Halo 2 is 90% complete". After this comment, Halo 2 went into a year long media blackout, with nothing surrounding the game being released. At this time, the original project was moved and the project that later became the Xbox's version of Halo 2 began development.

This is my theory and I'm sticking to it.

[51|RandoM]

And I think it's pretty stupid you think there won't be. ;)

There would appear to be more than enough stupid to go around.

[XenonCJ]

And I think it's pretty stupid you think there won't be. ;)And won't it be stupid that you think that there arn't any not being stupid, won't it be?!

[Durandal-217]

Ah yes the Blick Online Interview.

BO: What percentage of Halo 2's development is done?
PP: Hard to say. I'm playing the game every night right now and the guys at Bungie are already playing the multiplayer modes. I think we're at 90% done, but the last 10% are usually the hardest.

here is the link. http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/botranslation.092403.html

I have to agree with Zeal, as a long time halo fan I’m just disgusted with Bungie. Everything that made Halo great was just destroyed with Halo 2.

I have little faith in Bungie to deliver for Halo 3. That is why I will not buy into the hype when it starts, the only way you could convince me is if Alexander Seropian and WIDELOAD is involved with the project.

[xcalibur]

Well, let's see.... they made $125 million on the FIRST DAY of Halo 2 sales. Gee, you think they might make a Halo 3?


-X

[Morratut]

The multiplayer levels are incredible in HALO2, the single player eh they were ok. Id take a new Halo every year with an updated engine, a few tweaks and some new maps ala madden. Seriously.

Yep i'd have that too.

After playing Halo2 with its super duper easy online mode. PC games are just clunky and backwards now(setting up match with friends etc).

I've just played BF2 and i was actually thinking mmmm wish i was playing halo2 :D

[Zanzibar]

The product advertised as Halo 2 and the final game that was Halo 2 are NOT the same game.

Tons of promised features missing, including vehicles, weapons, melee combos, sprinting, virtually no story, etc. etc. I could go on forever. I could also call Halo 2 "Halo 1.5", but that would be insulting to the original.

Halo 2's ad camapign was borderline false advertising, and you can expect the same shit for Halo 3. I mean, for God sakes, compare the original X02 announce trailer's graphics to that of the final game's. It is NOT the same game.
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Dear God, you mean, a game actually shipped with some features cut? Wow, I'm insulted, that never happens in the game industry.

You hate Halo 2. Great. It didn't deliver on what you wanted. More power to you.

It did what I wanted. I wanted Halo online. By and large, I got it. As a bonus, I wanted to see what happened to the Master Chief and Cortana after Halo 1 ended. I got that too. I would have liked to see a bit more on-Earth action, but overall, the story arc makes sense to me.

I still think there's going to be a bloody battle over Earth itself. My thoughts are that they could have done a half-assed job on the Xbox in Halo 2, or a true immense-scale battle on the X360 with Halo 3. I may be in the minority here, but I'm glad that they decided that they couldn't do that battle justice and opted to amputate the ending.

[Rakael]

I didn't care for Halo 2 either in SP or MP. The single player campaign was weak as hell, and the multiplayer would have been more fun with mouse and keyboard. That is just a personal thing though, not an attack on the games multiplayer.

Evangelion...oh, even the mere mention of that name makes me want to vomit. I have seen both the dubbed and original language versions; in fact I bought a boxed set with both options. Worst $160 I have ever spent. I have even seen the "movie" that supposedly finishes the story the way it was originally intended or whatever. Pure shit from the bleeding ass of a diseased pig. Of course, I hate artsy fartsy mindfuck bullshit. Just because something is abstract does NOT make it cool and intellectual.

Ok, I had to take part in the thread-jack Mason started. I snag any chance I get to shit on the head of Eva. I guess it pissed me off so badly because for years I had heard about how great it was, and then to see it was directed by a Japanese David Lynch made me want to play frisbee with those goddamned disks.

Oh yeah, there will be a Halo 3. Also, it will be a letdown to most. Sadly, nothing Bungie could do on their best day could ever live up to the hype machine MS is going to strap it to. I just wish those guys good luck.

[Heretic Machine]

I hate popular things! It makes me cool!

[Xerxes]

I would much prefer to hear they are working on Oni 2, and this time with Multiplayer than on Halo 3. But that's probably just me.

If she couldn't be used as the Bungie DOA secret character, I'll doubt we see her anytime soon. Oni in a fighting game would make more sense and atleast proved that they still had interest in use of the character.

[Last of the Red Hot Mamas]

I hate popular things! It makes me cool!

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but claiming people hate popular things just because they're popular is actually more lame and cliched now than hating popular things.

[Zeal]

Dear God, you mean, a game actually shipped with some features cut?

If by some, you mean all, then yeah.

By the way, how's Halo 2's online co-op going for you? Oh yeah, nevermind. The current enviroment, featuring rampant cheating and dull gametypes, is much better.

[Xerxes]

If the game shipped with no additional features then it would be halo 1 and apparently you don't think they're even slightly related. Fable must of made your blood boil huh?

[Zeal]

I really had no expectations for Fable either way, so I actually thought it was a rather enjoyable game. The Halo series is a different argument altogether.

[Xerxes]

Zeal that's amazing. I don't know to many folks who didn't hear P. Moly talking about all he wanted to do. Alot of people were made if you don't remember. I heard him, played the game, found it was lacking a few things he talked about otherwise a fun game.

It's somewhat like Halo 2. I thought the game was going to be more Earth centered. Walking around in make shift triages. Actually hearing about the war while holding folks off. Shit falling down around you during the invasion. Nope, beat the game in two days and there was none of that. I felt satisified. The ending didn't make me cry in outrage. Some people take shit to harshly.

[Zeal]

Zeal that's amazing. I don't know to many folks who didn't hear P. Moly talking about all he wanted to do. Alot of people were made if you don't remember. I heard him, played the game, found it was lacking a few things he talked about otherwise a fun game.

It's somewhat like Halo 2. I thought the game was going to be more Earth centered. Walking around in make shift triages. Actually hearing about the war while holding folks off. Shit falling down around you during the invasion. Nope, beat the game in two days and there was none of that. I felt satisified. The ending didn't make me cry in outrage. Some people take shit to harshly.

Halo 2's entire marketing campaign was based arround the final struggle for earth. It was played up to be Armageddon, the ultimate battle of mankind and the Covenant. People were expecting a a videogame war of epic proportions; the "end game", if you will. You know, explosions, shit flying everywhere, vehicles blowing up, Longswords nuking shit, space battles, large scale troop battles.

At least that's what Bungie led us to believe in their year long updates.

Of course that never actually took place.

[Ludoc]

The current enviroment, featuring rampant cheating and dull gametypes, is much better.

So don't play much Halo 2, do you. I play a lot of Halo 2 over live and can count the number of times I've been cheated in the last two months on one hand.

Dull game types? That my friend is a statement born of ignorance. A few of the guys from this site get together tuesday nights on live and we seem to manage to have fun. Feel free to join up, I'm sure we can even find a game type to please you.

[Zeal]

So don't play much Halo 2, do you.

Actually, I do.

Gamertag: Team Zeal, level 30

[Ludoc]

So, I'm confused...

You say Halo has rampant cheating and dull gametypes but continue to play it regularly? I fail to see the logic of spend time playing a game that you seemingly hate. You've done nothing but rail against Halo 2 since the start of this thread but have spent hours playing it in the last three days.

[Kelegacy]

The trick with Halo 2 is that many of its greatest defenders like it mostly for multiplayer, while many of its greatest detractors dislike it for its single player. So maybe it is worth everyone clarifying on that one. If you're defending it just because you find the multiplayer awesome, that is meaningless when people are criticizing the single-player campaign.

Thank you Mason.

I also agree that to just end a game when things are starting to get good is a cop-out. Cliffhangers are okay (or not, especially when installments take 3 or so years to come out) but give us some sort of resolution. They knew that Halo 2 was highly anticipated, so they shipped it out, sans part 2 of the story, knowing that the cliffhanger would make people antsy for more.

Halo 3 should not be the next installment. It should be Halo 2: Part Deux. Or, Halo 2: The Game As It Should Have Been Had We Actually Finished It Instead Of Being Major Douchebags And Prodded By Microsoft So We Could Get It Out The Door Before The Xbox 360. PS: We're Sorry.

[Zeal]

So, I'm confused...

You say Halo has rampant cheating and dull gametypes but continue to play it regularly? I fail to see the logic of spend time playing a game that you seemingly hate. You've done nothing but rail against Halo 2 since the start of this thread but have spent hours playing it in the last three days.

It quite simple, really. Halo 2 is pretty much the only Live title people play. That, coupled with the fact that I have friends who enjoy me playing with them. I do it for my friends, basically. You'll notice that all gametypes other than "Team" are inactive.

Much like the game itself, Halo 2's multiplayer is unbalanced, buggy and boring.

[Zeal]

Thank you Mason.

I also agree that to just end a game when things are starting to get good is a cop-out. Cliffhangers are okay (or not, especially when installments take 3 or so years to come out) but give us some sort of resolution. They knew that Halo 2 was highly anticipated, so they shipped it out, sans part 2 of the story, knowing that the cliffhanger would make people antsy for more.

Halo 3 should not be the next installment. It should be Halo 2: Part Deux. Or, Halo 2: The Game As It Should Have Been Had We Actually Finished It Instead Of Being Major Douchebags And Prodded By Microsoft So We Could Get It Out The Door Before The Xbox 360. PS: We're Sorry.

This is the first time I find myself completely agreeing with you. I'm glad you understand where I'm coming from.

[Cubfan]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but claiming people hate popular things just because they're popular is actually more lame and cliched now than hating popular things.

It's the internet, being jaded and complaining about absolutely anything and everything is lame and cliched. Let's avoid cliche and admit that Halo 1 and 2 were both very good games. Neither was perfect, both were heavily overexposed, hyped, and critically praised ad nauseum. But in the end both provided a very solid gaming experience. See... now I feel good about myself and nobody's feelings are hurt.

[Zanzibar]

If by some, you mean all, then yeah.

By the way, how's Halo 2's online co-op going for you? Oh yeah, nevermind. The current enviroment, featuring rampant cheating and dull gametypes, is much better.

'All.' Right. Clever of them to repackage Halo 1 as Halo 2 and get away with it.

Online multiplayer with matchmaking. Dual-Wielding. New vehicles. New weapons with alternate-fire modes. Single-player campaign storyline.

Are you a developer? Do you actually know what goes on when it comes to making games?

[Ludoc]

It quite simple, really. Halo 2 is pretty much the only Live title people play. That, coupled with the fact that I have friends who enjoy me playing with them. I do it for my friends, basically. You'll notice that all gametypes other than "Team" are inactive.

Much like the game itself, Halo 2's multiplayer is unbalanced, buggy and boring.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because I fail to see your point. I couldn't bring myself to play a game I considered "unbalanced, buggy and boring" more than once or twice even if my friends did enjoy it.

Anyway, maybe I'll see get matched up with you in skirmish/big team, the ranks I'm close to you in, some time and we can settle this once and for all.

[Kelegacy]

This is the first time I find myself completely agreeing with you. I'm glad you understand where I'm coming from.

We agree on a lot of things, but you tend only to see me pop up in threads where I disagree with you. Our anticipation for Shadow of the Colossus and our love of ICO is another thing we can agree on.

Mostly, it's our views on the Revolution and Nintendo that we stand apart.

[ÜberJumper]

I can love things, and dislike parts of them.

I love my wife, but the fact that she can't wash her hands without fucking splashing water around like a dog shaking itself dry bugs the fuck out of me.

I loved Halo 2, but hated the cliffhanger ending.

[Achilles]

I liked Halo and Halo 2’s single player. I didn’t mind the mega cliff-hanger at the end even. Everything was falling apart and poof, the game ends. I know they had a different ending in mind most likely, but I didn’t mind the way it ended and it’ll certainly have me coming back for more.

I suspect that most people who bought Halo and Halo 2 liked the single player. The reason for this is that it’s hard to find a person, even someone who says they didn’t like Halo, who hasn’t beaten the game. If it was so bad they would have put it down like everyone did with Enter the Matrix, or any number of other crappy games. It took around 12 hours to beat either one of those, that’s a big time investment, and most people aren’t going to make that investment if they aren’t having any fun.

Zeal, you beat Halo 2, are you telling me that you just like to waste 12 hours of your life on things you hate?

[Major Dan]

watch, you will be able to put Halo 2 into your 360 and get the full ending.
I hope You are right, I would like that a lot! Actually I think that will be a "surprise" hard drive feature!

[Xerxes]

I don't think we got the same impression Zeal. The only thing I took from them that the Covies reached earth. I thought it was going to be more than we got though. What was it, on level or so. I was kinda hoping to team up with some of these other Spartans or so.

[Expugnare]

OK. If the game is that terrible then why is one of the highest rated games ever (beaten only by Chaos Theory)? Yes I hated the ending, but no I did not hate this game. And Bungie has even said that they knew gamers would be disappointed with it. They didn't want to release it like that but *** was poking and prodding them to release it. And after watch the after-the-credits scene it left me feeling somewhat better.

[Zeal]

Halo 2 doesn't even acknowledge the existence of other Spartans, and by the way, the original Halo is typically scored higher than Halo 2.

In example, IGN and Gamespot. Why is this? Because it's a better game.

[Heretic Machine]

Well whatever, it's pretty obvious that a lot of people here have absolutely no sense of drama. Do yourself a favor and never watch Angel.

[Zanzibar]

Halo 2 doesn't even acknowledge the existence of other Spartans, and by the way, the original Halo is typically scored higher than Halo 2.

In example, IGN and Gamespot. Why is this? Because it's a better game.

Ah. I see. Being that we're talking about a difference of 9.7 (Halo) to 9.4 (Halo 2), I actually didn't know that the range of 'great' to 'sucks' was 0.3 on Gamespot's meter.

You obviously think that Halo 2 sucks. Or are you just blowing hot air when you say:

I would go so far as to say Halo 2 was the absolute worst sequel of all time.

In my opinion, the original Halo changed the way FPS were made forever. It's one of the most influential games of the last decade.

Halo 2 offered nothing. By nothing, I mean a terrible engine, nonexistent physics system, HORRIBLE story, unbalanced weapons, the worst AI ever seen, and a complete slap to the faces of Halo fans everywhere. I refuse to believe it was made by the team behind Halo.


And you didn't read the Special Edition manual, did you? That DEFINITELY talks about other Spartans.

[DeviousMiscreant]

I was hoping to avoid getting into any discussion even remotely involving Halo but your post just made me laugh.

And you didn't read the Special Edition manual, did you? That DEFINITELY talks about other Spartans.
You say that like having not read the special edition manual makes him retarded or something.

[Xerxes]

Or maybe IGN and Gamespot had their hopes up high. Halo 1 or 2 doesn't acknowledge more Spartans, only the books do. Which is kinda sad sorta. I was hoping to team up with a group for some massive kill session. Finding out a little more about the Spartans in game. It's crazy.

[bone4ahead]

I don't post much on these forums, but I have to come to the defense of Zeal.
I am going to make a bold statement: Halo was the best game ever made.
Now I'm going to make another bold statement: Halo 2 is a great game, not an epic game.

Halo didn't have multiplayer. Parts of the single player were repetitive. Despite this, it's still a much better game than Halo 2. There is something magical about Halo, it's the perfect balance of the weapons, combined with the controls and vehicle physics. I have many memories of playing 4 player Halo split screen or 8 player LAN parties as the most fun I've ever had playing video games.

The reason that Halo 2 fails to live up to Halo is ultimately not the cliff hanger ending, but the multiplayer balance. After many months of thought I have concluded that the nerfing of the pistol was the undoing of Halo 2. When you respawned in Halo 1, you had a weapon that could adequately counter any other weapon in the game. The other weapons were still better at doing what they were for, but a skilled Pistoler had a fighting chance against a sniper, shotgun, rocket launcher, or tank. In Halo 2 you spawn with the SMG. This weak weapon has no skill involved whatsoever. Halo 2 feels like any other FPS to me, while Halo feels like THE FPS.

Also, why did Bungie add exploding vehicles and heat seeking rockets? Halo's vehicle physics were and still are the most fun of any game ever. Halo 2's are merely "meh".

I don't understand how in the time it took Bungie to make Halo 2; Rockstar released GTA 3, 4, and 5. All Bungie managed to do was destroy the weapon balance, kill the physics and add noobiating heat seeking rockets and an online component without a server browser.

[Zanzibar]

You say that like having not read the special edition manual makes him retarded or something.

I say that like someone who states a falsehood as fact. The statement 'Halo 2 doesn't even acknowledge the existence of other Spartans' is false, and I was just clarifying that he must not have read the manual, because otherwise he would KNOW his statement is false.

[Kelegacy]

Well whatever, it's pretty obvious that a lot of people here have absolutely no sense of drama. Do yourself a favor and never watch Angel.

I wouldnt touch that show with a twelve foot cock.

[Heretic Machine]

Look, no one is saying that Halo 2 was a better game than Halo. It wasn't, but just because it wasn't doesn't mean it's a bad game. It's just a game that could never live up the original. The ending has nothing to do with this.

[Zanzibar]

Look, no one is saying that Halo 2 was a better game than Halo. It wasn't, but just because it wasn't doesn't mean it's a bad game. It's just a game that could never live up the original. The ending has nothing to do with this.

Dear God, I'm AGREEING WITH PERIGON.

It's the sixth sign of the Apocalypse.

[Achilles]

Bone4ahead, do you actually think the weapons in Halo were balanced? Didn’t you ever use the pistol that could easily best any weapon in the game? It was a better sniper weapon than the sniper rifle because it didn’t leave a trail, and it could kill people faster in close combat than a shotgun.

[bone4ahead]

Bone4ahead, do you actually think the weapons in Halo were balanced? Didn’t you ever use the pistol that could easily best any weapon in the game? It was a better sniper weapon than the sniper rifle because it didn’t leave a trail, and it could kill people faster in close combat than a shotgun.
Yes I do think Halo is balanced. I think it is the best balanced game I've ever played and I have played a lot of games (With the notable exception of Doom 1/2, Quake 1/2/3, Tribes) I guess it's just a difference of opinion. I find Halo 2 to be unbalanced. It's ironic that Halo was ported to Xbox in 6 months and rushed to market resulting in a more balanced game than Halo 2, which took 3 years. Again, apparently some people think Halo 2 is more balanced than Halo and those people are entitled to their opinion.

I do find that some people really "Get halo". If you got Halo, then Halo 2 is a letdown. If you never really understood Halo than I can imagine that Halo 2 seems like an epic game.

[Durandal-217]

Halo 2's multiplayer isn't fun, it's just annoying. You can't really enjoy it because you're always getting cheated or you have somebody using cheep overpowered weapons like the plasma sword, the human turret and the plasma pistol.

Not to mention the physics are shit, you have people who super jump on top of the stage and snipe everybody, and you always start out with the weakest weapon. Not to mention you always get some idiot who suicide’s himself and ruins any chance your team had of winning.

The only reason why Halo 2’s multiplayer exists in the first place is because Microsoft demanded that they make a killer app for their live service. The halo series was never intended to be a multiplayer game, rather it was intended to be a story driven single player experience.

Campaign wise halo 2 pretty much destroyed the entire halo series.

[Achilles]

Yes I do think Halo is balanced. I think it is the best balanced game I've ever played and I have played a lot of games (With the notable exception of Doom 1/2, Quake 1/2/3, Tribes) I guess it's just a difference of opinion. I find Halo 2 to be unbalanced. It's ironic that Halo was ported to Xbox in 6 months and rushed to market resulting in a more balanced game than Halo 2, which took 3 years. Again, apparently some people think Halo 2 is more balanced than Halo and those people are entitled to their opinion.

I do find that some people really "Get halo". If you got Halo, then Halo 2 is a letdown. If you never really understood Halo than I can imagine that Halo 2 seems like an epic game.Okay I think the reason you think Halo's multiplayer (which, oddly, in your last post you said didn't exist) was so much better than that in Halo2 is that you had to play it on a LAN and LANs are always better experiences than playing a game over the internet. As someone who played Halo on a LAN at least once a week for a year I do believe that I "get" Halo, and feel qualified to distinguish between that and Halo 2. I was disappointed that they decreased the usefulness of the shotgun, and they weakened frag grenades, but messing around with the other stuff that was added, especially weapon combos more than made up for it.

[Achilles]

The only reason why Halo 2’s multiplayer exists in the first place is because Microsoft demanded that they make a killer app for their live service. The halo series was never intended to be a multiplayer game, rather it was intended to be a story driven single player experience.You do realize that before MS bought it, it was a multiplayer only game, right? That's what all the original articles said about it. It was going to be like Tribes.

[Savok]

You know, people with this complaint must not actually read books or anything. Because if you did, you'd constantly be asking, "Where's the rest of this book? OH, I have to buy another one. That's how they get ya..."

Guess you hated Star Wars too, huh?
If you read the stuff on Halo 2 and watched the Making Of DVD, they left an awful out because of a lack of time.

Angel, Star Wars, all them were written with the intent of that episode/movie ending right there. It's like Soul Reaver, game was only mostly done but whoops, ran out of resources, ship it. That said they tied it up a lot better then Bungie did Halo.

And don't compare Halo to anything Joss Whedon does.

[The Iron Weasel]

I would go so far as to say Halo 2 was the absolute worst sequel of all time.

In my opinion, the original Halo changed the way FPS were made forever. It's one of the most influential games of the last decade.

Halo 2 offered nothing. By nothing, I mean a terrible engine, nonexistent physics system, HORRIBLE story, unbalanced weapons, the worst AI ever seen, and a complete slap to the faces of Halo fans everywhere. I refuse to believe it was made by the team behind Halo.

To this day, I still believe most of the people responsible for Halo are now at Wideload Studios.
Seriously Halo 2, had WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY more balanced weapons then Halo1, The AI seriously are you retarded, is the best seen in a PC or Console FPS (next to F.E.A.R.). It used the same god damn engine as halo 1. Havok was the physics engine. The Story was better, it exposed the way the covnant work, and it was just better paced and thought out. I mean what the fuck are you talking about. The only complaints I have against Halo 2 is the ending and the length

Halo 2's multiplayer isn't fun, it's just annoying. You can't really enjoy it because you're always getting cheated or you have somebody using cheep overpowered weapons like the plasma sword, the human turret and the plasma pistol.

Not to mention the physics are shit, you have people who super jump on top of the stage and snipe everybody, and you always start out with the weakest weapon. Not to mention you always get some idiot who suicide’s himself and ruins any chance your team had of winning.

The only reason why Halo 2’s multiplayer exists in the first place is because Microsoft demanded that they make a killer app for their live service. The halo series was never intended to be a multiplayer game, rather it was intended to be a story driven single player experience.

Campaign wise halo 2 pretty much destroyed the entire halo series.

You haven't played Halo 2 recently have you.........

Also your blaming Bungie for cheaters and idiots, thats the stupidest thing i've ever heard seriously....your dumb. They released the god damn banhammer, which banned 2500 xbox live accounts in the first DAY, and the sword is a death wish now unless your camping because people see it and immediatly unload on you with a sniper rifle or a battle rifle, and the human turret is not overpowered...i mean just no....i've put in more hours into that game then you have for damn sure, and i've never bitched or heard bitching about he human turret. I guess you've never played a Battlefield game. And "super jumping" is not a physics error its a glitch and it was fixed.

And the Campain was great in Halo 2, as previously stated, better everything except length, and ending.


If you read the stuff on Halo 2 and watched the Making Of DVD, they left an awful out because of a lack of time.

Angel, Star Wars, all them were written with the intent of that episode/movie ending right there. It's like Soul Reaver, game was only mostly done but whoops, ran out of resources, ship it. That said they tied it up a lot better then Bungie did Halo.

And don't compare Halo to anything Joss Whedon does.

Good lord, his fans are rabid.

Also if you think that every game has most of the stuff that was going to be included in the game at release besides halo and halo 2 then your full of shit....look at half-life 2, it was soposed to have good AI.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but claiming people hate popular things just because they're popular is actually more lame and cliched now than hating popular things.

Actually no, theres a whole ass load of people who hate thing that are "mainstream", and hate them because they are popular. So the argument is not lame.

[ldi222]

ok, HALO1 was *not* as balanced as HALO2. The pistol was pretty much the only weapon you would use because all you needed was two shots anywhere and the final to the head and they were dead. It also zoomed and had a long range so multiplayer HALO1 games were basically pistol shootouts. But that was still fun as hell.

HALO2 multiplayer is way harder because you can die in an instant and the weapons are more powerful in that respect. However there is no one superweapon in HALO2. In fact the weapons are very balanced, especially after the patch. If there was one best weapon in HALO2 it would be the battle rifle which ironically is a lot like the HALO1 pistol but weaker.

[Durandal-217]

You do realize that before MS bought it, it was a multiplayer only game, right? That's what all the original articles said about it. It was going to be like Tribes.

The first Halo was intended to be a story driven single player game for the Mac. It was never supposed to be a multiplayer game.

[The Iron Weasel]

The first Halo was intended to be a story driven single player game for the Mac. It was never supposed to be a multiplayer game.

Actually it was soposed to be both a story driven sp game, and a Tribes like multiplayer game. Trust me i ate up every little bit of info about that game that i could, originally EVERYONE was a spartan! (they could do a prequel with that you know, the stuff in the Fall Of Reach is really badass).

[The Iron Weasel]

So, I'm confused...

You say Halo has rampant cheating and dull gametypes but continue to play it regularly? I fail to see the logic of spend time playing a game that you seemingly hate. You've done nothing but rail against Halo 2 since the start of this thread but have spent hours playing it in the last three days.

I think he might be fucking with us.

[Heretic Machine]

I remember that first big promo video for Halo... Got it on the Ultimate Gamers disc. Friggin amazed me. Of course Halo is nothing like that video, but still.

Heh, back then you could fly Pelicans.

[TrackZero]

Man, I wish he wouldn't play games like this! I know Bungie could be making any number of games, but I really want to play Halo 3. What do you all think?

I'd say quit being a crybaby. You just got Halo 2 last year. Trying waiting 10 years, like everyone waiting for Starcraft 2. Or the Fallout crowd, patiently awaiting Fallout 3 (which, finally is in the works under a proper developer). Personally I'd like to see Halo 3 come out a couple years into the 360, so it's mature enough to use the hardware to it's full capacity.

[bobbler]

I thought Halo was originally supposed to be an RTS, a la sci-fi Myth... I vaguely remember seeing a video about it.

[Last of the Red Hot Mamas]

Actually no, theres a whole ass load of people who hate thing that are "mainstream", and hate them because they are popular. So the argument is not lame.

About 90% of the time the "you just hate it because it's popular" is trotted out against people who genuinely and legitimately dislike something in lieu of an actual response. This is as close to a scientific fact as anything on the Internet. So far as this thread is concerned, it seems to me the most vocal critics of Halo 2 have given sometimes frighteningly detailed explanations of their opinion and are pretty clearly not motivated by some knee-jerk reaction to all things "popular" (which isn't exactly a badge of quality on this or any other planet).

[Bubby]

I hate popular things! It makes me cool!

I like popular things! It makes me a sheep!

[Savok]

.....your dumb.....

Good lord, his fans are rabid.

Also if you think that every game has most of the stuff that was going to be included in the game at release besides halo and halo 2 then your full of shit....look at half-life 2, it was soposed to have good AI.
When calling folk dumb, best you use our language properly to at least some degree, "you're dumb".

And I ain't talking about features, I'm talking about plot, yes parts of the plot get cut and so on in everything, point is it isn't meant to be so damn obvious that it did.

[ldi222]

So far as this thread is concerned, it seems to me the most vocal critics of Halo 2 have given sometimes frighteningly detailed explanations of their opinion

But nonetheless absolutely uninformed. Its clear to a long time player that these people do not know the first detail about HALO2 regarding map design, weapon balance, or online gameplay.

[Heretic Machine]

FUCK! This post is over, it's done! There is nothing more to be said. If you didn't like Halo 2, fine, that's your perogative. But let's just try and nip this stupid argument in the bud.

[The Iron Weasel]

About 90% of the time the "you just hate it because it's popular" is trotted out against people who genuinely and legitimately dislike something in lieu of an actual response. This is as close to a scientific fact as anything on the Internet. So far as this thread is concerned, it seems to me the most vocal critics of Halo 2 have given sometimes frighteningly detailed explanations of their opinion and are pretty clearly not motivated by some knee-jerk reaction to all things "popular" (which isn't exactly a badge of quality on this or any other planet).

I wasn't talking about Halo 2 and popularity, then Half-Life's sucsess wouldn't make any sence, i was just talking about in general. People who hate something because its mainstream. Like music (although I identify with some of them i used to like nickelback......NICKELBACK I WENT TO A CONCERT, thats dirt that no amount of soap & showering can wash off)

[The Iron Weasel]

When calling folk dumb, best you use our language properly to at least some degree, "you're dumb".

And I ain't talking about features, I'm talking about plot, yes parts of the plot get cut and so on in everything, point is it isn't meant to be so damn obvious that it did.

Sorry, i'm not in school at the moment so every day i slip a little more into a proper english coma of sorts i guess. Anyway i thought you were ragging on other things, but as much as i love the game its obvious that the games plot was cut short, and certain things that would have fleshed it out a little more were cut aswell. And the ending clearly shows constraints for time. I apologize

[Durandal-217]

You haven't played Halo 2 recently have you.........

Also your blaming Bungie for cheaters and idiots, thats the stupidest thing i've ever heard seriously....your dumb. They released the god damn banhammer, which banned 2500 xbox live accounts in the first DAY, and the sword is a death wish now unless your camping because people see it and immediatly unload on you with a sniper rifle or a battle rifle, and the human turret is not overpowered...i mean just no....i've put in more hours into that game then you have for damn sure, and i've never bitched or heard bitching about he human turret. I guess you've never played a Battlefield game. And "super jumping" is not a physics error its a glitch and it was fixed.

And the Campain was great in Halo 2, as previously stated, better everything except length, and ending.

Good lord, his fans are rabid.

Bungie is at fault for the cheating because Halo 2's engine was not coded properly.

The Banhammer as it's so ignorantly called doesn't work anymore because cheaters have found a way around the patch. I know this because I’ve seen it.

The sword is overpowered and completely useless in multiplayer, if you walk into it you're dead, there is no way to avoid it or combat it. Oh and you say the turret isn't overpowered? OK do this next time you're in the map Foundation. Avoid picking up the rocket launcher, walk into the turrets line of fire and then tell me it isn't overpowered.

And if super jumping was fixed why do I see it every time I enter matchmaking? Super jumping has to be physics related problem because you can do it on every map, including the new maps that were released in July. It has to be physics related because Bungie doesn't know how to fix it.

As for Halo 2's campaign, it wasn't even in the same universe.

You remind me of a typical mindless Bungie fan who talks a lot of shit. Oh and for your information I’m a level 32 on halo 2.

[bone_matrix]

I would go so far as to say Halo 2 was the absolute worst sequel of all time.

In my opinion, the original Halo changed the way FPS were made forever. It's one of the most influential games of the last decade.

Halo 2 offered nothing. By nothing, I mean a terrible engine, nonexistent physics system, HORRIBLE story, unbalanced weapons, the worst AI ever seen, and a complete slap to the faces of Halo fans everywhere. I refuse to believe it was made by the team behind Halo.

To this day, I still believe most of the people responsible for Halo are now at Wideload Studios.

So you are saying that the AI in Halo 2 is worse than the AI in Rainbow Six Lockdown? (http://nintendo.about.com/library/popupflash/bllockdown2.htm)

[ldi222]

The sword is overpowered and completely useless in multiplayer, if you walk into it you're dead, there is no way to avoid it or combat it.

You can avoid a direct sword lunge if you time strafing sideways exactly. Otherwise, get enough distance from the sword that you can kill them before they are in range with duel SMG's or use "noob combo" (Plasma pistol burst with a BR head shot) for instant kill. Or if all else fails "stick em" when they come @ you so at least you take them out too.


Oh and you say the turret isn't overpowered? OK do this next time you're in the map Foundation. Avoid picking up the rocket launcher, walk into the turrets line of fire and then tell me it isn't overpowered.

Walking into a turrets line of fire shouldnt kill you? How about staying out of its range until you get a rocket or getting underneath it and using a sticky grenade?

And if super jumping was fixed why do I see it every time I enter matchmaking? Super jumping has to be physics related problem because you can do it on every map, including the new maps that were released in July. It has to be physics related because Bungie doesn't know how to fix it.

Super Jumping is a map glitch, and almost never useful in a multiplayer game. In fact I rarely see it and if I ever do (on the maps that werent already fixed) I just snipe or br or rocket them... duh.

You remind me of a typical mindless Bungie fan who talks a lot of shit. Oh and for your information I’m a level 32 on halo 2.

You are no way in hell a level 32.

[The Iron Weasel]

Bungie is at fault for the cheating because Halo 2's engine was not coded properly.

The Banhammer as it's so ignorantly called doesn't work anymore because cheaters have found a way around the patch. I know this because I’ve seen it.

The sword is overpowered and completely useless in multiplayer, if you walk into it you're dead, there is no way to avoid it or combat it. Oh and you say the turret isn't overpowered? OK do this next time you're in the map Foundation. Avoid picking up the rocket launcher, walk into the turrets line of fire and then tell me it isn't overpowered.

And if super jumping was fixed why do I see it every time I enter matchmaking? Super jumping has to be physics related problem because you can do it on every map, including the new maps that were released in July. It has to be physics related because Bungie doesn't know how to fix it.

As for Halo 2's campaign, it wasn't even in the same universe.

You remind me of a typical mindless Bungie fan who talks a lot of shit. Oh and for your information I’m a level 32 on halo 2.

If you hate the game so much why do you play it (also i must say i'm impressed that your level 32, i love the game and i only ever got to 22 before the stats reset, i just haven't been playing enought to get it back up I'm (at level 7 (DONT JUDGE ME))). I guess i've never scene this super jumping then, or never noticed it. Problems do take time to fix. And what the hell are you talking about with the campain why did you not like the plot, what was so wrong with it. The earth levels are some of the best levels ever concieved for a FPS (IMO), the levels were far better designed. And I admit I'm a fanboy, I'll answer anyone who asks me with a yes. But seriously i'm not a "mindless fanboy". I can admit the game has flaws, some glaring ones. But seriosly every game has a cheating problem, god i hope you never play counter-strike. Punkbuster is not the greatest cheating protection ever concieved. And the turrets can be combated with the battle rifle and taking proper cover. No engine is free of flaws, every single mother fucking one. Also if you say your not a fanboy of some game then you're lying....know what fuck it, whatever happens i'm done defending Halo and Halo 2. Everytime the game is mentioned this happens, me and another bunch of guys defend, a whole bunch other attack, someone who is more level headed about the situation tries to entervien with logic but yet we feel the need to continue. I'm sick and tired of it, I now know i'm not going to change anyones opinion. So i will fight the fucking ego defence mechanism (fucking ego-defence mechanism I HATE IT). I don't even know what the hell i'm doing it for anymore, whatever, everyone is entitled i'm done FINISHED.

[Zanzibar]

Really don't understand the anti-Halo 2 people. You guys are either exaggerating or delusional; there is NOWHERE NEAR the amount of cheating/glitching that you are claiming here. You're just trying to save face by puffing up your collective chests with much sound and fury, signifying nothing.

You don't like Halo 2. You don't like how they adjusted gameplay from Halo 1. Fine - big deal. You're in the minority. Shouting louder makes your points less valid.

Particularly you, Zeal, you lost all credibility by your blanket moronic statements that Halo 2's AI was the 'worst ever' or whatever nonsense you were vomiting forth.

[Achilles]

The sword is overpowered and completely useless in multiplayer, if you walk into it you're dead, there is no way to avoid it or combat it. Oh and you say the turret isn't overpowered? OK do this next time you're in the map Foundation. Avoid picking up the rocket launcher, walk into the turrets line of fire and then tell me it isn't overpowered.How can something be "overpowerd and completely useless" at the same time? ldi was right as well it can be dodged if you strafe sideways, which everyone above level 10 knows how to do. And seriously, are you complaining that if you attack a turret without a strategy like say, getting a better weapon or flanking it, than it kills you? Whoa.

[ldi222]

Btw, bungie just released their weekly update and it is all about statistics. I wont post the whole thing here but here is a snippet:

Guess how many games of Halo 2 have been played since November 9th 2004. Go on. I dare you. If you said 324,362,454 then congratulations. You win a slightly baffled expression.

Now, remember that that's the number of games played. But a game can (and usually does) include more than one player, and you could absolutely argue that each player has a different experience. Can you guess how many “experiences” that amounts to? 2,189,713,986 when we last collected that data. Well over two billion. We're like McDonalds! Billions and billions served. Or owned, depending on your perspective.

http://www.bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?story=halo2numbers&p=5077337

[Major Dan]

I'd say quit being a crybaby. You just got Halo 2 last year. Trying waiting 10 years, like everyone waiting for Starcraft 2. Or the Fallout crowd, patiently awaiting Fallout 3 (which, finally is in the works under a proper developer). Personally I'd like to see Halo 3 come out a couple years into the 360, so it's mature enough to use the hardware to it's full capacity.


You know, I am not crying, I wait for stuff too. Books, Games, Movies etc. I want Halo 3 to be good also, so I don't mind waiting, but J shouldn't be teasing like that. I guess MS wants some surprises left for the 360. :confused: That's why I think Halo 2.5 will be on the HD :D

[Ludoc]

You can avoid a direct sword lunge if you time strafing sideways exactly. Otherwise, get enough distance from the sword that you can kill them before they are in range with duel SMG's or use "noob combo" (Plasma pistol burst with a BR head shot) for instant kill. Or if all else fails "stick em" when they come @ you so at least you take them out too.

Appearently if you time it right you can crouch and duck under the sword lunge. But really the best strategy for taking out the sword guy is stay out of his range and kill him from medium/far distance.

Super Jumping is a map glitch, and almost never useful in a multiplayer game. In fact I rarely see it and if I ever do (on the maps that werent already fixed) I just snipe or br or rocket them... duh.

I think the record of this thread will show I'm pretty big Halo 2 fan and will defend it to a fault but you really don't know what you're talking about. In the interest of fairness it should be noted that: super jumping is a physics glitch. None of the maps have been changed since they came out, super jumping is still possible.

And it's usefulness ranges from (a) not at all to (b) guaranteed victory. Getting both snipers on top of Ascenion, placing a BR on top of Warlock or jumping with the odd ball out of Foundation can make a game all but impossible to win.

Now, those situations rarely arise but when they do they are frustrating. That's what live's cheating feedback is for, to deal with the small number of d-bags that do these kinds of things.

[Major Dan]

I don't even know what the hell i'm doing it for anymore, whatever, everyone is entitled i'm done FINISHED.
Never give up man, I am with you! Halo 1 and 2 rock. They are not perfect but they are both fun as HELL! I didn't even like FPSs before Halo and now I love em. Halo is the first game I ever played more then once, three times through by myself, and countless times through with my son co-op. I really enjoy the story too, that is why I don't want to wait, Hell if they don't put a game out before the movie at least put a book out. :p

[Twigz'N'Berries]

Cheesy or not, *that* would have sold consoles. Take Halo 2, pay a subdivision of Bungie to spend a year tweaking the graphics, load times, throw in online co-op and tack on two more levels. Pack that in with the 360. Boom. It's kind of a cop-out, but you can't tell me that wouldn't move a few 360s.
You are very right my friend, that would have moved a lot of systems. If they made it a title that silver Xbox users could play without having to pony up the gold service for one year, that would have moved even more...maybe increased Live sales too.

[The Iron Weasel]

Never give up man, I am with you! Halo 1 and 2 rock. They are not perfect but they are both fun as HELL! I didn't even like FPSs before Halo and now I love em. Halo is the first game I ever played more then once, three times through by myself, and countless times through with my son co-op. I really enjoy the story too, that is why I don't want to wait, Hell if they don't put a game out before the movie at least put a book out. :p

Sorry man, I've just lost the will, its fighting a battle where no one can win.

[ldi222]

I think the record of this thread will show I'm pretty big Halo 2 fan and will defend it to a fault but you really don't know what you're talking about.

You have to be kidding me, super jumping is a map glitch and has been fixed to a great degree (do you even know how to do it?). It is most definitely without a doubt *you* who does not know what youre talking about. Whens the last time you saw someone super jumping on zanzibar. To say I dont know what Im talking about is amazing coming from you of all people (I think youre still pissed you got owned last time you tried to play vs me).

"Ludoc: the authority on HALO2 glitching."

oh yeah and good luck with that sword crouch...

[Ludoc]

You have to be kidding me, super jumping is a map glitch and has been fixed to a great degree (do you even know how to do it?). Whens the last time you saw someone super jumping on zanzibar. seriously to say I dont know what Im talking about is amazing coming from you of all people (and you know what I mean bud).

"Ludoc: the authority on HALO2 glitching."

oh yeah and good luck with that sword crouch...

The maps are on the disk, they can't be changed. Super jumping is a physics glitch that exploits a problem with the in game physics. The same as, the less common, slide jumping.

I was in custom with my clan yesterday and a couple of guys were on the roof of Zani.

[ldi222]

sweet, nice stats dude.

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStats.aspx?panel=kills&gameid=328697004&player=luDOC

[Ludoc]

Wow, way to take apart my argument. I did poorly in a game of slayer so I must know nothing of this game.

[Zeal]

You all wrong. Super jumping is a glitch associated with Halo 2's piece of shit physics system. It has nothing to do with levels.

It has to do with the game not being able to calculate an occurence correctly.

[Ludoc]

You have to be kidding me, super jumping is a map glitch and has been fixed to a great degree (do you even know how to do it?). It is most definitely without a doubt *you* who does not know what youre talking about. Whens the last time you saw someone super jumping on zanzibar. To say I dont know what Im talking about is amazing coming from you of all people (I think youre still pissed you got owned last time you tried to play vs me).

"Ludoc: the authority on HALO2 glitching."

oh yeah and good luck with that sword crouch...

Guess where I am right now? I'll give you a hint check my location on the left.

Do you know how I got here? I super jumped. So it must still be possible to do.

Don't believe me? Then add me tou your friends list and I'll show you next time we're both online. I should be on from 7pm onwards tuesday night.

[TrackZero]

You know, I am not crying, I wait for stuff too. Books, Games, Movies etc. I want Halo 3 to be good also, so I don't mind waiting, but J shouldn't be teasing like that. I guess MS wants some surprises left for the 360. :confused: That's why I think Halo 2.5 will be on the HD :D

Yeah, they've definitely giving off the vibe that they've got some surprises coming with the 360. Though I'm not going to give in to the hype, I'll believe it when I see it. ;)

[Pantsmonkey]

So you showed him good huh Ludoc from atop Zanzibar?

And of course there will be Halo 3 there is probably plans afoot for halo 5 for god sake. Microsofto the kings of the re-release will be pumping out a halo every few years till the end of time.

[Heretic Machine]

Microsofto the kings of the re-release will be pumping out a halo every few years till the end of time.

Ya, it's not like Sony or Nintendo would ever do anything like that. Never!

[jwbxx]

When the whole marketing campaign was centered around the covenant finding earth. Then you only play a 1 or 2 missions on earth that are really anti climatic. Just to go to another halo. If you're gonna market to us a great earth battle at least have one in the game.

[Morratut]

Oh my lord!!!

I'm not even going to argue against everyone here who hates Halo2.The Halohaters arguments are just funny i'm not even going to give them a reply.

All i know is i have had the so much fun online with Halo2. It's my number 1 online game. It'll probably stay that way till Desert Conflict mod comes out for BF2.

I'm with all the rest of the Halo fans here. Can't wait for Halo 3.See you all online.

[Zeal]

I would much prefer to hear they are working on Oni 2, and this time with Multiplayer than on Halo 3. But that's probably just me.

I'll kill you.

[Manzy]

To this day, I still believe most of the people responsible for Halo are now at Wideload Studios.


With some of the reviews I have read of Stubbs, I'm thinking the same thing too.

I still liked Halo 2, but the original was far superior in terms of single player.

[saran_js]

Bungie sold off the Oni franchise to another publishing company when they were bought over by microsoft, so they have no more rights to the Oni games. Forget your wishing.

As for Halo, the only good thing to come out of the game was Red vs. Blue. That rocks. The Halo game and the story is a stupid hack that was purloined from stories such as Aliens, Starship Troopers. and other games such as Half-Life, Unreal and a whole slew of other stories/games.

Heck, I had more fun playing AVP2 than Halo, and I was more terrified of those aliens rushing up to you and slashing/biting you than I was of the stupid 'Flood'. Bah ! Damn, even the Predator is way more cooler than the stupid Master Chief, and has way cooler weapons than the puny weapons in Halo.

The best multiplayer FPS game is still Counter-Strike and/or BattleField 2. Halo and Halo are dumb/lousy imitations that are not even in the same catergory as these.

[Xerxes]

Who was Oni sold to? Take two?

[saran_js]

Yup. Take-Two is the publisher.

[Xerxes]

What a waste.

[mattwier]

Is Halo 3 going to add the...

Ah, hell with it. Halo 2 was dull, dull, dull.

[The Iron Weasel]

With some of the reviews I have read of Stubbs, I'm thinking the same thing too.

I still liked Halo 2, but the original was far superior in terms of single player.

I believe the only person that left was Alex Seropian. And he didn't have much to do with the product, go watch the Collectors Edition DVD and you'll see that most of the original people from Halo worked on Halo 2, project lead and all.

[Major Dan]

Bungie sold off the Oni franchise to another publishing company when they were bought over by microsoft, so they have no more rights to the Oni games. Forget your wishing.

As for Halo, the only good thing to come out of the game was Red vs. Blue. That rocks. The Halo game and the story is a stupid hack that was purloined from stories such as Aliens, Starship Troopers. and other games such as Half-Life, Unreal and a whole slew of other stories/games.

Heck, I had more fun playing AVP2 than Halo, and I was more terrified of those aliens rushing up to you and slashing/biting you than I was of the stupid 'Flood'. Bah ! Damn, even the Predator is way more cooler than the stupid Master Chief, and has way cooler weapons than the puny weapons in Halo.

The best multiplayer FPS game is still Counter-Strike and/or BattleField 2. Halo and Halo are dumb/lousy imitations that are not even in the same catergory as these.
Them be fighten' words, but I am too busy to fight. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :eek:

[Zanzibar]

Polarization is the enemy here. This is why Republicunts and Democrats can't get along anymore. Look at how we've gone from 'I prefer Halo 2 to Halo 1' to 'Halo 2 is the worst game ever created.'

I weep for the future.

[Manzy]

The Halo game and the story is a stupid hack that was purloined from stories such as Aliens, Starship Troopers. and other games such as Half-Life, Unreal and a whole slew of other stories/games.
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Just because a story has aliens in it doesn't mean it jacked its story from Aliens (or any other medium of telling a story with aliens).

Halo jacked a significant amount of its story from Starhammer and the Vang series by Christopher Rowley, which came out long before anything you have mentioned (minus Aliens and Starship Troopers by Heinlein, but they don't really have much correlation besides 'humans fighting aliens' in concern to plot.)

Halo had one of the better console game stories of this generation (bested only by KOTOR in my opinion).

[Achilles]

The whole Aliens accusation is just weak. There are no similarities between Aliens and the Halo storyline other than there being aliens. They don’t bleed acid, they don’t start out as a face hugger, they don’t propagate by infecting humans, they don’t have a queen, they don’t have a hive society, they’re not fighting in an abandoned colony, the main character isn’t a civilian, and the list goes on and on. Same thing with being similar to Unreal, Starship Troopers and Halflife; other than all of them having a plot, I don’t see the similarity there.

If saran_js has a whole slew more but those are the best examples of his premise than he doesn’t have an argument, just a desperate need to diminish Halo’s story.

I see some other works of fiction inspiring the Halo storyline, especially stuff involving ringwolds and that kind of thing, but as far as video games go; nothing even close to the same plot.

[Manzy]

The whole Aliens accusation is just weak. There are no similarities between Aliens and the Halo storyline other than there being aliens. They don’t bleed acid, they don’t start out as a face hugger, they don’t propagate by infecting humans, they don’t have a queen, they don’t have a hive society, they’re not fighting in an abandoned colony, the main character isn’t a civilian, and the list goes on and on. Same thing with being similar to Unreal, Starship Troopers and Halflife; other than all of them having a plot, I don’t see the similarity there.


THEY ALL HAVE ALIENS!!!! THEREFORE BUNGIE STOLE THEIR IDEAS!!!

[saran_js]

THEY ALL HAVE ALIENS!!!! THEREFORE BUNGIE STOLE THEIR IDEAS!!!

Hahahaha so so true. Well, it could be said that Tolkein came up with the idea of his LoTR Saga, and many other authors stole his ideas, right.

Anyway, back to the Halo story, I was actually expecting more out of the story and I was quite dissappointed after playing it. Story wise, it wasn't anything that I have never encountered in similarity in other games, and as a game itself, it wasn't that exciting as some others. It was a mediocre game.
Take for example, AVP2... Man I was like trembling like a leaf being blown in the wind (and my hands were cold) for every single step I took playing that game. I almost always screamed like a little girl when those blastid aliens rushed up to surprise you.

That's what I'm talking about, a game that really gets to me.

I'll probably even have a look at F.E.A.R. That game would probably also be a blast.
:D

[Achilles]

THEY ALL HAVE ALIENS!!!! THEREFORE BUNGIE STOLE THEIR IDEAS!!!Who thought of the first alien I wonder. The dude should have copyrighted that story element.

[Manzy]

Hahahaha so so true. Well, it could be said that Tolkein came up with the idea of his LoTR Saga, and many other authors stole his ideas, right.

Anyway, back to the Halo story, I was actually expecting more out of the story and I was quite dissappointed after playing it. Story wise, it wasn't anything that I have never encountered in similarity in other games, and as a game itself, it wasn't that exciting as some others. It was a mediocre game.
Take for example, AVP2... Man I was like trembling like a leaf being blown in the wind (and my hands were cold) for every single step I took playing that game. I almost always screamed like a little girl when those blastid aliens rushed up to surprise you.

That's what I'm talking about, a game that really gets to me.

I'll probably even have a look at F.E.A.R. That game would probably also be a blast.
:D


Did you like System Shock 2 by any chance? That is the ONLY game that actually kept me from sleeping (granted I was around 10-12 when I played it).

[Thenetcase]

Wow... Halo 3. Woo.

I didn't even feel like playing Halo 2 after playing Halo. It just wasn't ground breaking to me. It was a very well advertised version of Unreal II (which was fun but too short).

-TNC-

[Major Dan]

As for Halo, the only good thing to come out of the game was Red vs. Blue. That rocks. The Halo game and the story is a stupid hack that was purloined from stories such as Aliens, Starship Troopers. and other games such as Half-Life, Unreal and a whole slew of other stories/games.

Heck, I had more fun playing AVP2 than Halo, and I was more terrified of those aliens rushing up to you and slashing/biting you than I was of the stupid 'Flood'. Bah ! Damn, even the Predator is way more cooler than the stupid Master Chief, and has way cooler weapons than the puny weapons in Halo.

The best multiplayer FPS game is still Counter-Strike and/or BattleField 2. Halo and Halo are dumb/lousy imitations that are not even in the same catergory as these.

I haven't played BF 2, but is it playable? I have heard lots of bad stories.
BF1 was fun no doubt, but not near as fun as Halo 2 multi.

Come on, there are only two or three original stories in the whole damn world every other one is some form of them. Lets see Aliens --> Good, Bad, More advanced, same level, totally different, look like us. How many derivations are there? Yes the Predator is cool, but so are the Elites, Hunters, and the bigger Flood.

Any way I can't convince you the game is good, like I can't convince to be a republican/democrat, or that there is/isn't a GOD, Gods, or hopefull Goddess :) but that is one thing we need to learn in the US some damn middle ground.

All I can say is I really enjoy Halo, the game that got me interested in FPSs, the first game I played more then once. That is perhaps the best compliment I can give it.

I can't wait for Halo 3!

Makes me :D

[The Iron Weasel]

Wow... Halo 3. Woo.

I didn't even feel like playing Halo 2 after playing Halo. It just wasn't ground breaking to me. It was a very well advertised version of Unreal II (which was fun but too short).

-TNC-

Dude.....a comparision to Unreal II is harsh....still not defending though....nope...no point....no point at all.

[saran_js]

Did you like System Shock 2 by any chance? That is the ONLY game that actually kept me from sleeping (granted I was around 10-12 when I played it).

I've never played that game but I probably will as I have only heard mostly good things about it.

I haven't played BF 2, but is it playable? I have heard lots of bad stories.
BF1 was fun no doubt, but not near as fun as Halo 2 multi.

Come on, there are only two or three original stories in the whole damn world every other one is some form of them. Lets see Aliens --> Good, Bad, More advanced, same level, totally different, look like us. How many derivations are there? Yes the Predator is cool, but so are the Elites, Hunters, and the bigger Flood.

Any way I can't convince you the game is good, like I can't convince to be a republican/democrat, or that there is/isn't a GOD, Gods, or hopefull Goddess but that is one thing we need to learn in the US some damn middle ground.

All I can say is I really enjoy Halo, the game that got me interested in FPSs, the first game I played more then once. That is perhaps the best compliment I can give it.

I can't wait for Halo 3!

Makes me

BF2 is okay as long as you're lucky(no unfortunate incidents), I suppose.

I guess to everyone, his own. Glad you enjoyed your gaming pasttime.
:)

[Xerxes]

Who thought of the first alien I wonder. The dude should have copyrighted that story element.

Tom Cruise and his wacky religon. Which is barrowed from every cult. That's something.