Spider-Man 3 Villians Leak-ed

[tvgm2]

Looks like that dunce Dunst accidently spilled the characters.

While doing press for her forthcoming release Elizabethtown, actress Kirsten Dunst may have finally let the proverbial cat out of the bag about the oft-speculated identities of the villains in Spider-Man 3.

Dunst is quoted at Zap2It as saying, "We have really great people though as the villains in this film, Thomas Haden Church and Topher Grace -- Venom and Sandman." She added, "Maybe I wasn't supposed to say that."
Let the crying and/or celebrating begin!

[Evil Avatar]

Sounds like a CGI wonderland.

[Orphiuchus]

I'm really starting to hate Kirsten Dunst. I just get the feeling that she wants to kill off spiderman so she can dedicate her acting to films about dancing or some shit.

[Nesta]

I'm really starting to hate Kirsten Dunst. I just get the feeling that she wants to kill off spiderman so she can dedicate her acting to films about dancing or some shit.


Do NOT blasphemize the woman who plays Mary Jane! She is and always be perfect. PERFECT!

/Dunst crush off

[Zeal]

The Venom cg will be insane. I can already see the tounge wrapping around Kristen Dunst's face.

[thecrazyd]

I wonder if the studio forced Raimi to do Venom? No matter, it will still be awesome.

[Tricky Thumb]

Oh dear god... oh holy lords of comic books, please let this b*tch be right.

[MasterEvilAce]

Defeated!!!

[Tricky Thumb]

You guys are IDIOTS. Did you watch Spider-man 2? It's obvious what the hell happens... Peter's friend (forget name) is the badguy in Spiderman 3... Hellllooo. We knew that. And I'm sure it's obvious that he was Venom... I don't know crap about Spiderman but if it's loosely based on the comics or what not...

Regardless, really not new information.

Did you just mock us for not being attentive when you yourself have NO IDEA what you're talking about?

Wow that was damned funny, good show!

[lpmiller]

what the hell are you talking about?

[lpmiller]

not you, him.

[thecrazyd]

You guys are IDIOTS. Did you watch Spider-man 2? It's obvious what the hell happens... Peter's friend (forget name) is the badguy in Spiderman 3... Hellllooo. We knew that. And I'm sure it's obvious that he was Venom... I don't know crap about Spiderman but if it's loosely based on the comics or what not...

Regardless, really not new information.
Who says they were going to put him in the next movie? It may be that he experiments with the formula, changes it around, and shows up in a later non-Raimi Spiderman.

[Chagrinful]

What happened to Rami hating the venom idea and all the new comic baddies?

[MasterEvilAce]

Did you just mock us for not being attentive when you yourself have NO IDEA what you're talking about?

Wow that was damned funny, good show!

Yes!

But I'm just saying, you guys are like NO!!! We know who the villian is.. noo why god why.

It's not that big of a deal.

[Kelegacy]

The Venom cg will be insane. I can already see the tounge wrapping around Kristen Dunst's face.

Or her vulva.

I for one am excited. I was afraid that the Green Goblin would return...I don't want ANOTHER movie devoted entirely to him. Venom is one of my favorite baddies EVER, because he is just so damn intriguing. However, is Eddie Brock even in the first 2 movies? Or are they going to royally fuck up the Marvel Universe some more?

Venom...I was secretly hoping for this. But I hope it wasn't some fucking crappy slip up. I don't want the badguy being Rhino or Electro or some shit like that. Please be VENOM!

I don't know who the Sandman is, though. I can't seem to place his face...

[MasterEvilAce]

Alright, I see.. I was thinking of the wrong guy *smacks head*

[thecrazyd]

If they follow the old school Venom story, I will be disapointed. Killer space suit? Lame. The character was terrible until Bendis got his hands on him.

[PantherModern]

Agreed. If they do the secret wars, black spidey space suit thing, then they will be making a huge mistake. Personally, I think they will have JJJ's kid go into space, bring the thing back, it gets attached to Eddie Brock at some press event or some such and then he hates spidey for taking the glory away or whatever. That would be at least plausible and fit with the established storyline. Damn though, I was expecting a Kurt Connors Lizard or something.

For what it is worth, the guys over at aintitcool aren't biting yet, simply because, according to their sources, Dunst hasn't seen the script yet. If they do intro Venom, I would almost expect him to be another slow-burn villain ala Harry O. Maybe set him up, but not reveal him fully yet. Dunno. Could be a helluva flick if it's true though.

[Chimpbot]

Agreed. If they do the secret wars, black spidey space suit thing, then they will be making a huge mistake. Personally, I think they will have JJJ's kid go into space, bring the thing back, it gets attached to Eddie Brock at some press event or some such and then he hates spidey for taking the glory away or whatever. That would be at least plausible and fit with the established storyline. Damn though, I was expecting a Kurt Connors Lizard or something.

For what it is worth, the guys over at aintitcool aren't biting yet, simply because, according to their sources, Dunst hasn't seen the script yet. If they do intro Venom, I would almost expect him to be another slow-burn villain ala Harry O. Maybe set him up, but not reveal him fully yet. Dunno. Could be a helluva flick if it's true though.

They could also go with the backstory from Ultimate Spider-Man; the suit is a substance made by as a potential cure for cancer. Of course, things go wrong yadda yadda and then we get Venom.

[Herald42]

We had the proper lead-in in Spiderman 2. The banquet that the Green Goblin attacked was the one in honor of the recently returned John Jameson (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/j/jamesonjohn.htm) [Marveldictionary.com], who has confirmed that he is coming back in Spidey 3. (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/1163.asp) [comicbookmovie.com]. Now, that means it was either Man-Wolf, one of the more sad villains, or it was a reference to Venom's coming back in Jameson's ship.

So now we have Venom in the next Spidey movie. We also have the rights to Cloak. I'd say this is a step toward a Maximum Carnage movie.

Just as long as the Marvel movies aren't moving toward the Infinity Wars, I'd love to go along for the ride.

[Madhatter45]

Sandman I do belive (to answer someones question) is one of the earlier spider man villians. His first appearence was in The Amazing Spider Man issue #4. God I need to get out more...

[Verocity]

Venom!

*drool*

[Rommel]

Here is the thing - all the set up was for Green Goblin II and the Lizard. I would think the point would be to set up Harry as a mastermind behind turning Doctor Connors into a monster. Sandman and Venom are also a rather odd team up.

...Like Bane and Poison Ivy.

[Frogleg Special]

I want Hard Core Iron Man in 2007. Screw Spider-Man and its love story.

[CapnBob]

I think she's mistaken or screwing with us for two reasons. #1: the aforementioned Raimi hatred for Venom. #2: two shape-changing bad guys in one movie? What happens if Venom gets knocked into sandman? Asphalt?

[PantherModern]

Ditto on Iron Man. One of my all time favorite heroes.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

Or her vulva.



EWWWWW






*mutters something about post-length minimums being a tool of suppression*

[Wyrm]

venom is fucking awesome.

[Mister Pie]

I think I'm gonna have a hard time taking the 70's show guy seriously in this movie.

[Heretic Machine]

We had the proper lead-in in Spiderman 2. The banquet that the Green Goblin attacked was the one in honor of the recently returned John Jameson [Marveldictionary.com], who has confirmed that he is coming back in Spidey 3. [comicbookmovie.com]. Now, that means it was either Man-Wolf, one of the more sad villains, or it was a reference to Venom's coming back in Jameson's ship.

Dude, that's just the origin in the cartoon, it was never used in the comics. Venom comes from a vending machine on the Secret Wars planet. In the case of this movie, they'll likely use the Ultimate origin, though probably with Oscorp developing the symbiote instead of Peter's dad.

[bardockkun]

Here is the thing - all the set up was for Green Goblin II and the Lizard. I would think the point would be to set up Harry as a mastermind behind turning Doctor Connors into a monster. Sandman and Venom are also a rather odd team up.

...Like Bane and Poison Ivy.

Oh god not a Batman and Robin refrence. Honestly with how much Sam Raimi has shown for his dislike of Venom, I really doubt it and someone as ditzy as Dunst would know who would be in the next Spider-man.

Sandman i believe, that's a definete and what happend to those rumors of Black Cat being in the movie? I think awhile back Sam Raimi made a quote on the next villian in Spider-man being "black and white." I figure that would make more sense for Spider-man since in the last two movies he's been shitted on in life, but at the end of the second one you can see his life turning a bit of a turn for the better. Now I figure probably a good time to test their relationship with the Black Cat coming in and giving Peter another alternative in his life in sharing his dangers with someone who can relate.

Than again that's just my opinion and I think Venom would instead be set up in three as opposed to being the main villian (meaning like a cameo in the end). Since a villian that huge would have to have a bit of a set up and it would set up a direction for the fourth movie, since (once again) Sam Raimi has shown his dislike for Venom but sooooo many eager directors willing to get their hands on it if he does decide this will be his last Spider-man movie.

[Racknahm]

I want Hard Core Iron Man in 2007. Screw Spider-Man and its love story.
Snake co-wrote the screenplay.
http://imdb.com/title/tt0371746/

[TrackZero]

Yes!

But I'm just saying, you guys are like NO!!! We know who the villian is.. noo why god why.

It's not that big of a deal.

He was laughing at your claim of Harry being Venom, which shows you have about zero knowledge of Spiderman.

[Deadend]

Well, after playing Ultimate Spider-man, I would be good with Topher Grace being Eddie Brock, set him up as someone who helps Peter at school, or even the relation from the comics.

I just don't know if a Eddie Brock Venom can be as strong in the movies (character-wise) as it's setup in Ultimate Spider-man.

[Major Scud]

OH GREAT!
I just nerdgazim'd all over myself....

(seriously though, Venom 4TW!!!!!!)

[bardockkun]

Well, after playing Ultimate Spider-man, I would be good with Topher Grace being Eddie Brock, set him up as someone who helps Peter at school, or even the relation from the comics.

I just don't know if a Eddie Brock Venom can be as strong in the movies (character-wise) as it's setup in Ultimate Spider-man.
Eddie Brock has already been established in the movies. He's a photographer for the Daily Bugle too since J.Jonah Jameson has made refrences to him I think in the first movie.

*edit*
Also throwing in which Marvel character i'd want to see made into a movie i'd say Captain America. Especially if they set up the movie in world war II and have him wearing his Ultimate uniform. Than again I think The Ultimates would be one hell of a movie in general, especially if Cap says the quote at the end with him pointing at the A in his forehead and saying "Surrender? SURRENDER??!! You think this letter on my head stands for France?" Also sequel pretty much set up with Ultimates 2.

[Mozain]

I find this odd how its "News" Since I heard it on my local radio station about 2 weeks ago. Thought this was pretty much common knowledge by now.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

Dude, that's just the origin in the cartoon, it was never used in the comics. Venom comes from a vending machine on the Secret Wars planet. In the case of this movie, they'll likely use the Ultimate origin, though probably with Oscorp developing the symbiote instead of Peter's dad.


Venom came out of a vending machine? Put-in-a-dollar-and-out-comes-a-pop-or-snack vending machine?


Edit - I'm pretty sure a Captain America movie is in the works. If not it is kind of a no-brainer. Everything else is going to the big screen, so it is only a matter of time.

[bardockkun]

Venom came out of a vending machine? Put-in-a-dollar-and-out-comes-a-pop-or-snack vending machine?
More like he mistakend a machine to repair his outfit and so instead he got the sybomite machine and out came the black costume on him.

Edit-I know a Captain America movie is in the pre pre planning stages, but still so much can happen. So we'll see how it goes, especially with Marvel's exclusive movie deal. Also i forgot which company has the Iron Man rights, but i think theyre further in pre pre production than Captain America.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

More like he mistakend a machine to repair his outfit and so instead he got the sybomite machine and out came the black costume on him.


Ah, I see.

*scratches head*

[MajSheppard]

Man what a piss poor job casting for Venom, I heard Topher Grace was going to be Venom but I never believed it. I mean why would you find the puniest person alive to be the Bulked up freak job Venom. Also I want to know how are they going to go about this Venom thing. I doubt they are going to do those planet wars, so are they bringing back JJJ Jr. to crash the shuttle like on the Animated serries. All I know is they better do maximum carnage if they do Venom. Plus they best get Gary Busiey's son to be him. He was a good serial killer and looked like Cleatus in The Frighteners.

Oh btw they need to do the Hobgoblin before they do the green goblin again. I think they need to get Luke Skywalker (who did the voice of Hobby) to be the actual Hobgoblin.

[PantherModern]

Dude, that's just the origin in the cartoon, it was never used in the comics. Venom comes from a vending machine on the Secret Wars planet. In the case of this movie, they'll likely use the Ultimate origin, though probably with Oscorp developing the symbiote instead of Peter's dad.

I don't think that is really in question...I think the point was that it would fit with what they have set up in the films. They intro'd JJJ's kiddie ( I would assume for some reason other than as a potential love interest for MJ since that is over ) so they might use that to bring Venom in without doing the Spidey repairing costume on an alien planet thing. Something to get some character into space to come back with the symbiote. The research angle from Ultimate Spidey would be ok, and they could use Connor's lab for that (or intro some new company) but I think they have run the "crazy experiment gone wrong" angle into the ground in 1 & 2. For those unfamiliar with the comics, I would think that might get old after a while. Hopefully they will let venom be somewhat more exotic.

As far as Topher goes, I think that it would work. Granted, MacFarlane always drew Brock as a huge guy in his own right and established the character as such, but I think that the dichotomy of a small, diminutive guy capable of becoming a huge powerhouse would work well on screen. And it would kind of parallel Peter a bit more too. Two regular schmoes with superpowers.

[thecrazyd]

Dude! In Spider-Man 2, JJJ's son went to the moon. THE MOON. There are no alien monster suits on the moon. And the suit being an alien is stupid to begin with.

[Phhhh]

I think I'm gonna have a hard time taking the 70's show guy seriously in this movie.

See him in other movies, he's not bad.

[MajSheppard]

In the Animated series the alien got to the moon via meteroite. Other point is that Ultimate spiderman sucked. I have all the Web of spiderman comics which were based on the Black Costume and find it to be my favorite of all comic stories. I think Topher Grace sucks, as an actor and in no way conjors up pictures of Brock. Brock was not suppost to parallel peter, he was suppost to be unsuccessful because he was a muscle headed creep who did not take responiblite for his problems, choosing rather to blame Peter/Spiderman. I am also not a fan of everything coming about because of "an experment gone wrong" I picture a military washout in Brock and Topher Grace is a marching band washout, nothing more.
P.S. That 70's show sucks.

[MajSheppard]

I would like to see Venom (the suit) made out to be manipulative and strong willed. I would like to see Brock strong but weak willed. A good actor is needed to play two rolls in one, a meak man being pushed around by the pushy suit.
A big question here though... what about the black costume??? I really hope that they are not going to go straight to Venom and move past Spidey dealing with that whole mess. Could possibly Topher or Haden be Rhino?> In the books SpiderMan nearly gives into the Black costume nearly killing the Rhino. That dumb girl might have gotten confused with the story line and jumped the gun a movie.

[thecrazyd]

In the Animated series the alien got to the moon via meteroite. Other point is that Ultimate spiderman sucked. I have all the Web of spiderman comics which were based on the Black Costume and find it to be my favorite of all comic stories.
Bull shit. Bendis can outwrite any of those dime mag hacks. Ultimate is the best writing of Spider-Man I have ever read. It is clever, smart, and actually makes Venom a compelling character. And semi-feasible. Also: the animated series sucked more than anything has ever sucked in the past. I still watched it, but only because I was young and stupid. Plus, Spider-man is cool.

[bardockkun]

Bull shit. Bendis can outwrite any of those dime mag hacks.

Have you read House of M? I need say no more....

[thecrazyd]

I have not read House of M. You need to say more.

[bardockkun]

I have not read House of M. You need to say more.
My god, if you have any respect for Bendis stay way from that series. Basically it's a story about nothing, they say theyre going to kill (or thinking about it) Scarlet Witch and along the way get transported to an alternative universe. Where for a whole issue Captain America is an old man getting the mail, Colossus is plowing the fields and...well that's it. It's supposed to be the biggest or most mind blowing Marvel crossover yet it fails to deliever on all fronts. Except gives excuse for fanboys to yell "HAWKEYE LIVES MOTHERFUCKER!!!!"

I still think Bendis's best writting is Daredevil (meaning consistent good writting), especially Decalouge. Other than that Bendis gives a roller coaster in his writting talent.

[Frogleg Special]

A Captain America film with actors wearing star-spangled spandex would instantly spell "Velveeta". Though it's inevitable to have a new Cap Movie because he is one of Marvel cornerstones.

Iron Man, on the other hand, means death and destruction. It's like the Terminator and Superman roll into one. Potentially the loudest of all Marvel movies. I don't know, should Michael Bay direct it? :)

[thecrazyd]

All I have read of his is Marvel Teamup #2 (Bendis and Jim Mahfood? Holy crap!), the Wha huh one shot (Again, I bought it because of Mafood's art), and the first six Ultimate Spider-Man trades. I'll check out Daredevil when I am done with Spider-Man.

[bardockkun]

A Captain America film with actors wearing star-spangled spandex would instantly spell "Velveeta". Though it's inevitable to have a new Cap Movie because he is one of Marvel cornerstones.

Iron Man, on the other hand, means death and destruction. It's like the Terminator and Superman roll into one. Potentially the loudest of all Marvel movies. I don't know, should Michael Bay direct it? :)
Terminator and Superman...with a drinking problem. So basically like Superman 3 except without Richard Pryor (also nothing against Iron Man, but that's just what he's well known for or best known for).

Also if anyone laughs at Captain America's costume...THAN THE TERRORISTS WIN!!! That can be the tagline for the movie too "If you dont see Captain America, THAN THE TERRORISTS WIN!!!!"

Also to thecrazyd: if you want good Spider-man writting than read Spider-man/Human Torch by Dan Slott, really returns the comedic side Spider-man is so well known for but being more and more forgotten.

[darkwarrior]

If they follow the old school Venom story, I will be disapointed. Killer space suit? Lame. The character was terrible until Bendis got his hands on him.



You're joking right?

Alien substance that bonds with humanity and transforms into something powerful and wicked compared to a suit...designed to cure cancer. It's not like its a freaking extra terrestrial, its just a substance of organic matter that has to bond to live. We don't need a THIRD science gone wrong origin with the suit being created. We really, really don't. Especially since I assume thats where Sandman is going to come from. It also cheapens the character since anyone can then potentially recreate the accident in the future. The same way apparently anyone in the movie universe can become Spider-Man if they let themselves be bit by one of the 15 spider-man making spiders just sitting about. Or Rhino in Ultimate just being a guy in a robot.

Yeah, fuck Bendis.


I'm hoping that Brock will be built up for a later film, possibly appearing near the end, since if I'm remembering right, Venom's bite can kill Sandman and his cohesiveness.

[Morratut]

I want the proper origin story. Secret Wars style. It would be funny because it would open cinema audiences to all the other heroes and villains. It could also melt the their brains :D

[LilEvilFish]

ahh bring in carnage and kill off half the cast ^^

[Mav]

What happened to Rami hating the venom idea and all the new comic baddies?

i wouldnt classify venom as a "new comic baddie", considering the symbiote showed up in the Secret Wars, which was quite a while ago.

let's not forget Sandman is also in this one, hell he's one of the oldest villians there is for spidey.

I mean let's do a check list here:

Green Goblin #1, check
Doctor Octopus, check
The Lizard, potential check
Rhino, not used yet
The Vulture, not used yet
The Scopion, not used yet
Electro, not used yet
Mysterio, not used yet
Kraven, not used yet
Spider-Clone, not used yet
Doppleganger, not used yet
Hobgoblin, not used yet


need I go on? There are plenty of "classic" Spidey villians to use. They are just giving the fans what they want. We know CGI is capable of a decent, if not believeable Venom (or Carnage for that matter), and with the introduction of JJJ's son in Spidey 2 the whole symbiote thing is possible in #3.

they'd have to pick something big. I mean you can't go from Doc Ock, a wonderfully done CGI villian with great scenes to something not so spectacular like, Electro or the god damn Vulture..

[Meshyf]

What The Fuck Is Spiderman?!?!

Edit:
That was a stupid post I appoligize.
However if they use Rhino in any way I'm walking out and getting my money back. He's the dumbest god damn 'villian' ever.

He might as well be Hack and Slash from Reboot.

[earthworm48]

Its apparently true! Solid Snake is working on the screen play for the Iron Man film!

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0371684/

[darkwarrior]

Rhino wouldn't be used as a major villain, its stupid to think he would be. Hes a henchmen, he isn't smart or immensely deep, just strong. He does what hes told. Hes the type to work for Harry not lead as a headliner.


I think Venom would work best, when Peter wears the suit, it can screw up his relationships hes only just built, bring out his violent, bitter side. Might give him a chance to stop taking his mask off as well.

[card930]

i heard about this almost 3 weeks ago.

http://www.freezedriedmovies.com/news/index.php?Action=Full&NewsID=3355

[emperordahc]

Topher Grace is actually a really good actor, IMO. He'll do sandman justice, mostly if the character is a bit sappy.

Their casting for Venom? Perfect. :)

[Roc Ingersol]

Christ, let the bitch be wrong.

Venom is lame as all get out. Chameleon makes so much more sense given the casting.
And for spidey's sake, I hope they try a new love triangle this time around.
E.g. bring in Black Cat like in the spiderman2 video game. The whole temptation to live like a god angle, and deserving more than a mere normal woman ... that's leagues better than Peter pining over MJ while she dates goon X for a third time.

[S1n1star]

Personally, the only thing I have ever found Venom good for is putting on splash pages, other than that he's no more an appropriate arch villain for Spider-man than Bizarro is for the big blue. That being said, if they want a decent origin for tall, dark, and slobbery they should mix the healing substance from Ultimate story with Topher's Brock being bitten by another of the "super spiders" and instead of the one in a million chance of becoming another web-slinger, he starts dying from the genetic venom. Cue the use of the organic healing tar, mix with genetically altered super venom racing through Brock's bloodstream at death's door, and violla! A suit-ably believable silver screen Venom. If they have to introduce him at least that sort of covers all the bases.


All in all, I just really want the Iron Man movie not to suck...been waiting for that to happen way too long for it to go the "Catwoman" route.

[MosBen]

Quick version of the Secret Wars for those that don't know: Cosmic being grabs a bunch of heroes and villains from Earth, plunks them down on some distant planet, and tells them to brawl it out. During the fray Spiderman's suit get's all torn up and he goes to a building where he sees Hulk (I think, might have been Thor?) leaving with a brand spankin' new costume. So Spidey goes in and sees a machine which he thinks dispenses constumes and it spits out a cool black costume that also has the ability to change into street cloths if he needs it to. Back on Earth, Spidey finds out that the suit is a living being that wants to bond with him so he goes to the Fantastic Four and gets Reed to help him get rid of the suit. The suit, alone and rejected, finds Eddie Brock and bonds with him. Sharing a mutual hatred of Parker/Spiderman they become Venom.

To the people saying that Venom/Brock is "supposed" to be built; there are WAY too many people in the Marvel U. that basically do nothing but work out. From a thematic standpoint there's much more you can do with a character that shares a lot in common with Parker than somebody that's completely different.

Also, I'd say about 80% of Venom stories aren't very good. Sure, I loved him when he was new and I was younger, but looking back, most of those stories are just an excuse to brawl like crazy. Sure, there were some interesting angles taken from time to time, but most of it was just fluff. Carnage was even worse, with Maximum Carnage being just an excuse to do a big crossover with lots of heroes and villains and big big fights. A big cast does not necessarily equal a good story. Most mainstream books in the early 90s, and summer crossovers of any era, are just shallow excuses to get insanely ripped guys and scantily clad women to enter into huge pointless brawls.

[Pantsmonkey]

http://www.stormpages.com/solidsoul/mvcport/5.png

Il be honest I don't remember Sandman but big ups to Venom.

And to Tricky Thumb for quoting MasterEvilAce's crazy ass rant.

Shes pretty and finally ive got Venom. Theres plenty of movies
its not like you care about them for long after rls anyway do you?

HD or Blue Ray which to NOT buy...

[Jetherik]

Why do they have to bring in two villians? Most of the time the villians work alone anyway - so why do it in the movies?

[thecrazyd]

I bet that one of the villains will be minor and work only as a henchman / quick fight for Spidey. It could be that Venow will be thrown if for a five minute fan service fight.

[Goronmon]

Venom melts faces...

[Spigot]

Well, I personally like the various symbiotes of the Spidey universe. Maybe this means I'm not one of the cool comic book crowd, but I really like Venom and the whole concept of him. Sandman on the other hand... meh. I don't have a problem with Sandman but I'm not salivating either.

I much prefer Venom to the Goblins and such. Should be neat to see.

[Herald42]

Dude, that's just the origin in the cartoon, it was never used in the comics. Venom comes from a vending machine on the Secret Wars planet. In the case of this movie, they'll likely use the Ultimate origin, though probably with Oscorp developing the symbiote instead of Peter's dad.

I'm quite aware that it was the origin from the animated cartoon. I'm also quite aware that it wasn't the comic origin. I'm just hoping that Spiderman 2 alludes to Venom, rather than Man-Wolf, since John Jameson is coming back in the next movie. And I always liked Venom better than Man-Wolf, on the grounds that Man-Wolf is a rather sad villain.

It's also a better intro to a movie audience that's not Marvel educated than Secret Wars, giving that their brains would melt -- the same reason that the Shi'ar probably won't be in any of the X-Men movies, the Infinity Wars won't be touched, and we're ignoring Age of Apocalypse. As is, the new X-Men including Omega Red, the Brotherhood, and a few others is going to be insane for the people not knowing what is going on.

So, I'm assuming they're using that introduction, or the attempted cure for cancer one. Not the Secret Wars Vending Machine. I was just saying that they already had the set-up for this one, if they chose to use it.

Remember, the target audience for the cartoons was the non-initiated, with references for us geeks, just like the movies.

Edit: formatting, grammar.

[dr_qwandry]

I still have my hopes for Mysterio. God I love that bastard.

and while were on the subject of comics to movies, weren't they talking about making a Lobo movie?

[fitbabits]

Do NOT blasphemize the woman who plays Mary Jane! She is and always be perfect. PERFECT!

/Dunst crush off
And so say all of us!

BUT! I despair that Kirsten Dunst is dating that fuckslapper Jake Gylenhaall.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/fitbabits/Kirsteninfield.jpg

[DaedalusFolly]

Didnt Spidey wear the symbiote for several years before the Venom aspect arose? I always thought that outfit was tight.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

And so say all of us!

BUT! I despair that Kirsten Dunst is dating that fuckslapper Jake Gylenhaall.



Hey, back off Jake Gylenhaal. He's fucking awesome.

December 9th...

[fitbabits]

Hey, back off Jake Gylenhaal. He's fucking awesome.

December 9th...
With all due respect, your Magnanimous one, he is anything but fucking awesome. Clint Eastwood is fucking awesome. Lee Marvin was fucking awesome. Morgan Freeman is occasionally fucking awesome. Robert DeNiro is sometimes fucking awesome. As is Al Pacino and others too numerous to mention. Jake is overrated, in my opinion. Which you have every right to disagree with.

[bardockkun]

Why do they have to bring in two villians? Most of the time the villians work alone anyway - so why do it in the movies?

Good examples of two villians in movies:
Batman Begins - Henry Ducard & Ra's Al Ghul
Batman Returns - Penguin & Catwoman
Daredevil - Bullseye (despite his terrible, terrible appearance) & Kingpin
If you want to consider it, Harry Osborn (honestly he mightve been Peter Parker's friend but he's Spider-man's enemy) and Dr.Octopus

Also need i remind you of Spider-man having a team of enemies called The Sinister Six (with villians ranging from Electro, Sandman, Scoropion, The Chamelon, Venom, Dr.Octopus, Mysterio and pretty much all of Spider-man's rogue gallery in general all being a part of it)? Or hell in the Mark Millar run the Sinister Twelve...or terrible twelve, or dirty dozen, i dont know.

[bardockkun]

Didnt Spidey wear the symbiote for several years before the Venom aspect arose? I always thought that outfit was tight.
More like a year, but once he lost the symboite he also made his own black outfit, which he wore for awhile. Also it was worn like a few years back too when Venom proved to be too much of a good thing and he wore it because his costume was scratched up.

I rather see Electro as the next villian dammit or Mysterio (for some reason i can completly see Bruce Campbell play that and have another major role).

[TheKeck]

Hey, back off Jake Gylenhaal. He's fucking awesome.

December 9th...

So, in my search of IMDB, the best explanation I can come up with is that the wide release of Brokeback Mountain is on December 9th. Is THAT why Jake Gylenhaal is so awesome? :confused:

[joruussuun]

BUT! I despair that Kirsten Dunst is dating that fuckslapper Jake Gylenhaall.

I'm pretty sure I read they broke up...
Yep-
From IMDB Trivia:
"Sister Maggie Gyllenhaal introduced him to Kirsten Dunst. Jake and Kirsten dated, but broke up in July 2004. (Both Kirsten and Maggie appeared in Mona Lisa Smile (2003))."

[fitbabits]

I'm pretty sure I read they broke up...
Yep-
From IMDB Trivia:
"Sister Maggie Gyllenhaal introduced him to Kirsten Dunst. Jake and Kirsten dated, but broke up in July 2004. (Both Kirsten and Maggie appeared in Mona Lisa Smile (2003))."

Suh-WEET!!! Now where did I put her number??

[Roc Ingersol]

I rather see Electro as the next villian dammit or Mysterio (for some reason i can completly see Bruce Campbell play that and have another major role).

Now that would be just absolutely-fuggin-perfect.
Perfect.

[kickmybum]

Topher as sandman? WTF

[Racknahm]

She could be leaking false information, but I don't think she's smart enough to pull that off.

[fitbabits]

She could be leaking false information, but I don't think she's smart enough to pull that off.
Ouch! :eek:

[TheKeck]

So, on the trivia for Spiderman 3 it says something about the Chameleon being the first Spiderman villian ever. Now, is this telling us that he is supposed to be in the movie, or is it just the most irrelevant piece of trivia ever attached to a movie on IMDB?

[Mason]

I'm generally in favor of this, although it is weird that people are treating it like news, as it was all over the net a few weeks ago. Both guys are good actors, and the resemblance between Tobey and Topher lets them do some interesting stuff.

The first two films had Spiderman fighting father-figures, which worked thematically as Peter was struggling with the absence of his uncle and unmentioned father. But all that's past. Having him face off with a peer lets the story move past all the Oedipal father-killing and into a more mature sort of identity crisis. If they play Venom more as a Spidey-hating vigilante than a straight-out psycho or criminal, I could see that working well.

The only problem in my mind is that they can't add yet another "superpowered artifice that half-controls a confused/angry person's mind", so they'll have to be careful with Venom to keep him out of Ock/Goblin territory. And I'm hoping they avoid getting Topher into yet another MJ love triangle. That's just too easy. Come up with some other sort of relationship crisis.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

With all due respect, your Magnanimous one, he is anything but fucking awesome. Clint Eastwood is fucking awesome. Lee Marvin was fucking awesome. Morgan Freeman is occasionally fucking awesome. Robert DeNiro is sometimes fucking awesome. As is Al Pacino and others too numerous to mention. Jake is overrated, in my opinion. Which you have every right to disagree with.


Ok, I will amend my previous statement and say that I find him to be highly attractive, if not the best actor in the world.

That title belongs to Ryan Phillipe. (only kidding)


So, in my search of IMDB, the best explanation I can come up with is that the wide release of Brokeback Mountain is on December 9th. Is THAT why Jake Gylenhaal is so awesome? :confused:

I plead the fifth. :o

[dr_wily]

i cant imagine spiderman going much farther without going into the cheesy interdimensional crap like x-men did.

what with madam web, and that red dude with the flames that has a peewee herman name (shamoomoo.. no.. dormamu? yes that it.)

and im only going by the cartoon, but the black cat story was pretty lame, id like to see them explain why she goes from felicia pretty to muscletit-bound with white hair at the flip of a switch.

i want hydro man, would be perfect what with his obsession with mary jane and all..
or how bout doctor strange crossover ;)

starting to sound like a megaman game :)

[Magnanimous Gnome]

I want to add that I can't see Topher Grace playing a villian. He's a good actor, but he is way too boy-next-door to ever look indimidating. Still, he may end up pulling it off, with enough makeup and special effects.

[bardockkun]

Hydroman is a poor man's Sandman (with a mullet too if memory serves me well). Also Mary Jane has already had sooooo many stalkers or obsessive fans in the Spider-man comics as it is.

Also with this possibly being Kirsten Dunst and Tobey McGuire's last Spider-man film too, I can see Jake Gylenhaal as the next Peter Parker since goddamn they look alike and both already have banged Dunst. Also for people who think they can hook up with Dunst she's currently been seen with Scrubs and Garden State star Zach Braff (corrected by the post after mine). But paparazzi photos have also shown her with Jake. Goddamn i watch too much VH1...

[MosBen]

Braff, Zach Braff. The man's damned funny.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

Hydroman is a poor man's Sandman (with a mullet too if memory serves me well). Also Mary Jane has already had sooooo many stalkers or obsessive fans in the Spider-man comics as it is.

Also with this possibly being Kirsten Dunst and Tobey McGuire's last Spider-man film too, I can see Jake Gylenhaal as the next Peter Parker since goddamn they look alike and both already have banged Dunst. Also for people who think they can hook up with Dunst she's currently been seen with Scrubs and Garden State star Zach...whatever the hell his last name is. But paparazzi photos have also shown her with Jake. Goddamn i watch too much VH1...



Watching Zach Braff in Garden State was strange to me. My only experience with him before then was in the Broken Hearts Club, where he plays a club-type gay guy. I took me a bit to get accustomed to him being straight, and so introverted. He pulled both roles off very well though - he's definitely a talented actor.

[Kefkataran]

Who says they were going to put him in the next movie? It may be that he experiments with the formula, changes it around, and shows up in a later non-Raimi Spiderman.

Well, the character will be in the movie, so I'm willing to bet he'll show up as a villain eventually.

Man-Wolf, one of the more sad villains

To hell with that. Man-Wolf kicks ass. They should do a spin-off movie based on him.

I want Hard Core Iron Man in 2007. Screw Spider-Man and its love story.

The Iron Man movie is on its way, but... you realize it'll probably have a love story too, right? What, you think billionaires with heart problems can't love?!

Also throwing in which Marvel character i'd want to see made into a movie i'd say Captain America.

That'll be coming soon-ish too. One of the many Marvel has confirmed they are working on.

Than again I think The Ultimates would be one hell of a movie in general, especially if Cap says the quote at the end with him pointing at the A in his forehead and saying "Surrender? SURRENDER??!! You think this letter on my head stands for France?" Also sequel pretty much set up with Ultimates 2.

They're doing a straight-to-DVD Avengers cartoon later this year. It's called 'Avengers' but is based on the Ultimates. That said, I can almost guarantee you anything they do based on the Ultimates will use the Avengers name because it's far better known.

Thought this was pretty much common knowledge by now.

Nope, and this is far from confirmation, so it's still not.

And the suit being an alien is stupid to begin with.

Why? Not saying I dislike the Ultimate origin, but I think the suit-as-alien is cool enough.

Bull shit. Bendis can outwrite any of those dime mag hacks. Ultimate is the best writing of Spider-Man I have ever read. It is clever, smart, and actually makes Venom a compelling character. And semi-feasible. Also: the animated series sucked more than anything has ever sucked in the past. I still watched it, but only because I was young and stupid. Plus, Spider-man is cool.

Bendis is alright, but the animated show totally did not suck. It wasn't up to the quality of Batman: The Animated Series, sure, but fuck, what is? And I don't think the guy was referring to 'dime-mag hacks' -- he was talking about the people who were writing Spider-Man years before Bendis. Calling everyone else who has ever written Spider-man a hack is ridiculous.

i wouldnt classify venom as a "new comic baddie", considering the symbiote showed up in the Secret Wars, which was quite a while ago.

He's newer, comparatively speaking.

Also, I'd say about 80% of Venom stories aren't very good.

So true. He's one of those characters like Wolverine or Ghost Rider (early '90s) or the Thing ('80s) who just gay way milked and over-used.

[megaman]

I wanna see a he-man cameo in spidey 3 :/ god i luv heman! :|