Team Ninja's Itagaki TGS Interview

[Xerxes]

Game Informer (http://www.gameinformer.com) has another brash interview (http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200509/N05.0923.1500.24632.htm) from the creator of the Dead or Alive series and the rebirthed Ninja Gaiden, Tomonobu Itagaki.

GI: You’ve said before you want to develop for the most powerful console out there. You must be pretty confident in the Xbox 360.

Itagaki: Yes. I hope so. I think Xbox 360 is the best game console on the earth. It’s better than PlayStation 3.

GI: Can I ask you why?

Itagaki: PS3 has too complicated of architecture.

I like this guy, I don't know why but I do. Don't hold your breathe on a PS3 Ninja Gaiden. :D

[Red Cloak]

This just in, Gaming Age hates Itagaki once again.

[TheBigL]

Don't hold your breathe on a PS3 Ninja Gaiden. :D

Ohh to bad. Ill have to be stuck with Devil May Cry 4 :/

[bobbler]

Itagaki seems like a cock to me.

It's like he thinks hes the only dev out there with any talent (not just from this interview but from almost every previous interview). Thankfully for him his games are at least half way entertaining.

[Zeal]

This just in, Itagaki tells it like it is.

"MAN....FUCK THAT PS3 SHIT, YO....NAH MEAN?"

Oh and he's one of the most talented developers in industry, so don't even try it.

[TheBigL]

Say is he the one who did "Dead or alive: Extreme beach valeball"?

[Achilles]

That lobby looks really bizarre. It’s too bad there aren’t more pictures of it. Good interview though. PS3 is too complicated apparently, and since Itagaki isn’t averse to wrangling difficult systems (he was fine with the PS2), I can only guess that he means it’s complicated and not worth it.

[DevDict]

All he's trying to say is that Microsoft paid him. That's all, folks.

[Sion]

This guy is the most annoying dev in the entire industry.

He is also ungodly short.

[raVen]

Oops! He should have said 'I want to develop for the most powerful console out there, unless it has too complicated of architecture' back in the day, to save embarrassments such as these.

[amusedtoe]

I like this guy, I don't know why but I do. Don't hold your breathe on a PS3 Ninja Gaiden. :D

Simple, he thinks he's a rock star but acctually manages to pull it off unlike a certain long haired one that wants you to be his bitch. I personally don't necessarily love him or anything but I certainly respect that he says what he thinks. Too many people are caught up in PC now a days and afraid they'll offend that one person who just likes being the victim.

[Cyotik]

Considering the games that have been coming out for the past few years, I'd say he is one of the few devs left with any talent. Gone are the days of great games replaced with shallow gameplay and pretty pictures unable to even live up to the games they stole their ideas from.

[Zeal]

Frankly I think Nintendo’s hardware presentation is just great. I just saw the trailer, and saw it multiple times and I was laughing my ass off. To be top notch you need to be able to make people laugh.

I love this. It's basically a backhand compliment.

[saran_js]

Microsoft paid him to do it...what's more he isn't even sure that the xbox360 is more powerful than the PS3.

[Achilles]

Microsoft paid him to do it...what's more he isn't even sure that the xbox360 is more powerful than the PS3.This is the second "MS paid him to do it" post. Is it just because he disagrees with the conclusion you've come to after having had your team work on the PS3 dev kits, or is it just because you don't want to believe that something with 7 PPEs could be hard to program for and not worth it in the long run.

[Frogleg Special]

For the frat boys that constitute the majority of Xbox gamers, he's god.

[Worldcrafter]

I liked the picture in the interview that shows some screens playing DOA4, and a sign next to them saying, 'No pictures'.

[Xerxes]

GT has a interview as well, more of the same. But it also has some DOA 4 in game video. This is the first time I can say I've seen the game in motion and yup, it looks better than screens. I'm somewhat affraid of the whole it faster (doa was always fast), and the whole gameplay being changed. Characters not handling the same maybe cool but I hope that doesn't translate to "You'll have to relearn Ryu, Bayman, Brad, etc..."

Also amusedtoe, i don't know about being anybody's bitch OR loving him, I said like. I think I just like him cause he's a cocky little Japanese guy. That and I like his games.

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[Xerxes]

Ohh to bad. Ill have to be stuck with Devil May Cry 4 :/

:rolleyes:
I don't know how to spell it, but I believe the phrase is, Toche...

Well played mister french man, well played...

[Kelegacy]

Itagaki seems like a cock to me.

It's like he thinks hes the only dev out there with any talent (not just from this interview but from almost every previous interview). Thankfully for him his games are at least half way entertaining.

I have that impression of him, too. He's like an Americanized Japanese, or something. He may be talented, but that interview didn't do his intelligence justice. Plus, a lot might have been lost in translation. The whole "The Xbox is the best game console on Earth. It's better than PS3." quote makes him sound like a Gamefaqs forum user.

It's obvious he isn't after the most powerful console then. It wouldnt matter if the PS3 had easy to program architecture...he'd still be publishing for 360 because the Green Machine is cusping his testicles.

[Xerxes]

I don't know if MS is really holding his balls or anything, I do think he sales better there than he would on PS3. Aside from a Ninja Gaiden atleast. He made games for Dreamcast and Ps2 before going with Xbox. And can we really say the Xbox 360 is weaker than Ps3. I don't think too many if any of us has had our hands on both dev kits and got our hands dirty. Both boast impressive specs, although one is a little easier to follow function wise. I mean the 7 spes, powerpcs, cell I don't know what the hell is really going on with ps3.

[Phades]

Ohh to bad. Ill have to be stuck with Devil May Cry 4 :/

I've played all the Devil May Cry games and I've played Ninja Gaiden... Devil May Cry is a great series but Ninja Gaiden is better. Much better. If you haven't played Ninja Gaiden on Xbox yet I suggest you go and do so immediately, you can thank me later after having your ass handed to you and loving every minute of it.

[DannoHung]

I love Itagaki because he's such a dick, and he knows it, and he knows people are going to buy his games anyway because they're awesome.

[Deadend]

Itagaki is cool.

He caters to the hardcore, but in such a way that people want to play his games... to prove they are tough enough.

[Reanimated]

Ohh to bad. Ill have to be stuck with Devil May Cry 4 :/



That IS too bad. I'm so sorry. :(

[Dirty Harry]

Man you guys are fags, this guy fool is no better than ken kutttttarrrrrgiiiiii or how you spell his name.

[Borys]

I heard the PS2 was difficult to develop for as well. There were hardly any games written for that weird non-PC architecture!

Oh wait...

What else could I expect from a Microsoft lapdog?

[Rafer]

There are only a few game developers out there who act like they're rock stars (Itagaki, Romero, Cliffy B., ... anyone else?). As for his comments on the 360, surely he's being bribed by microsoft, but I've read John Carmack say something similar during his last keynote, that the 360 was one of the most "developer friendly" consoles he'd seen, and the PS3 less so. I wish more developers would be as opinionated on stuff like Itagaki or David "God of War" Jaffe who dissed Half-Life 2 in his blog recently.

[Zeal]

It's because the 360 uses proven and practical hardrive, unlike PS3, which is an attempt by Sony to create the Skynet of game consoles.

Kutaragi: THE CELL PROCESSOR IN YOUR PS3 WILL CONNECT TO THE NEURAL NET, AS YOU KNOW. THIS WILL ALLOW FOR A DECISIVE NUCLEAR STRIKE AGAINST ALL 360 CONSOLES. SIMULTANEOUSLY, METAL GEARS WILL ENGAGE MICROSOFT HEADQUARTERS.

SATELLITE LINK-UP IS ALSO COMPATIBLE WITH YOUR PSP.

[Achilles]

As for his comments on the 360, surely he's being bribed by microsoft, but I've read John Carmack say something similar during his last keynote, that the 360 was one of the most "developer friendly" consoles he'd seen, and the PS3 less so. I wish more developers would be as opinionated on stuff like Itagaki or David "God of War" Jaffe who dissed Half-Life 2 in his blog recently.Again, why is it a given that he's being bribed by MS? It's not like he normally holds back his opinion, why would he have to be paid to answer why he likes the 360 over the PS3? Carmack comes out and says the same thing and he's being honest, Itagaki says it and he's Microsoft's lapdog. Some folks got some issues in this thread.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

:rolleyes:
I don't know how to spell it, but I believe the phrase is, Toche...

Well played mister french man, well played...


That word you are looking for would be "touche", with a small / over the e.

[Kefkataran]

Considering the games that have been coming out for the past few years, I'd say he is one of the few devs left with any talent. Gone are the days of great games replaced with shallow gameplay and pretty pictures unable to even live up to the games they stole their ideas from.

... I mean, I may agree with you, even with the hint of "DOOOOOM" in your post, but you're referring to a guy who specifically talks about making his games as graphically beautiful as possible. He's VERY concerned with pretty pictures. Thankfully his gameplay (usually) is enough to back that up.

It's because the 360 uses proven and practical hardrive, unlike PS3, which is an attempt by Sony to create the Skynet of game consoles.

I think there's a pretty vast difference between Sony being somewhat ambiguous in their wording and Sony being involved in a vast conspiracy.

[thecrazyd]

So... what right does this guy have to be such a dick? I mean, I am sure Ninja Gaiden is also and all, but does he have anything under his belt other then that, some mediocre fighters, and a masturbation fodder volleyball game? How about he proves his self as a developer before he talks shit?

[Zeal]

I think there's a pretty vast difference between Sony being somewhat ambiguous in their wording and Sony being involved in a vast conspiracy.

I meant that the PS3 uses a radically different hardware architecture.

I also like Itagaki's attitude.

[saran_js]

This is the second "MS paid him to do it" post. Is it just because he disagrees with the conclusion you've come to after having had your team work on the PS3 dev kits, or is it just because you don't want to believe that something with 7 PPEs could be hard to program for and not worth it in the long run.

How sure are you that he has had some experience on PS3 dev kits. As far as we know, they have been programming for xboxes only as of late. Furthermore, Sony doesn't just give out PS3 dev kits to anybody who asks for it. They have to comply to certain criterias. He is a lackey.
Furthermore, if he is so smart, why can't he wrap that small brain of his around the concept of programming for 7PPes.

[Rirath]

Could it be the guy who's game motto is you're either tough enough or you're not, can't handle the challenge of the PS3? ;)
This just in: Ninja Gaiden Fuchsia (Re-RE-release) will feature a new difficulty level above "Ninja Master", "PS3 Developer".

I'm quite a fan of DOA and Ninja Gaiden, but this guy is a unique in both a good and bad way. Funny to hear such comments from a Japanese dev though, with them being traditionally so reserved and all.

[Achilles]

How sure are you that he has had some experience on PS3 dev kits. As far as we know, they have been programming for xboxes only as of late. Furthermore, Sony doesn't just give out PS3 dev kits to anybody who asks for it. They have to comply to certain criterias. He is a lackey.
Furthermore, if he is so smart, why can't he wrap that small brain of his around the concept of programming for 7PPes.What criteria exactly do you think Tecmo, one of Japan's biggest publishers would need to meet to get the honor of paying Sony for their dev kits? Of course he could just buy them. And he said in a previous interview that he was working with the PS3's dev kits, that’s where all the rumors about a PS3 Ninja Gaiden came from. I have no doubt his team could figure out the PS3 (they made one of the best looking fighters for the PS2 only a few months after it came out), they probably looked into it and came to the conclusion that for what they’re doing it wasn’t better than the 360. Now what experience do you have that leads you to believe that it is better than the 360 and not complicated? Because you're basically calling the guy a liar and a corporate shill.

[Hizawky]

CliffyB is hot.*

*gay for CliffyB.

Small Japanese man who makes good games? My Gaydar is silent.

CliffyB? GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER.

When CliffyB starts bashing the ps3, I will believe.

[AspectVoid]

You know, I see stuff like this and I think to myself "You know, people said the exact say the exact same thing about the PS2, that its hard to program for." Really, we all know how much that hurt Sony. After all, they only sold something like 50million PS2s.

Frankly, if you want to bash any console, come back 2 years after its release so we can see where it actually stands. All of this smack talk and bashing about systems that aren't even out is really stupid.

[TheBigL]

:rolleyes:
I don't know how to spell it, but I believe the phrase is, Toche...

Well played mister french man, well played...

Who are you calling French? :mad:

I've played all the Devil May Cry games and I've played Ninja Gaiden... Devil May Cry is a great series but Ninja Gaiden is better. Much better. If you haven't played Ninja Gaiden on Xbox yet I suggest you go and do so immediately, you can thank me later after having your ass handed to you and loving every minute of it.

I know ninja Gaiden is great and all. But I think devil may cry outdone it with its gameplay. (I am talking about the third, because while Devil May Cry 1 was out, ninja gaiden was just a little ninja). And I think Devil may cry 4 will show a good fight to Ninja Gaiden 2.

[saran_js]

What criteria exactly do you think Tecmo, one of Japan's biggest publishers would need to meet to get the honor of paying Sony for their dev kits? Of course he could just buy them. And he said in a previous interview that he was working with the PS3's dev kits, that’s where all the rumors about a PS3 Ninja Gaiden came from. I have no doubt his team could figure out the PS3 (they made one of the best looking fighters for the PS2 only a few months after it came out), they probably looked into it and came to the conclusion that for what they’re doing it wasn’t better than the 360. Now what experience do you have that leads you to believe that it is better than the 360 and not complicated? Because you're basically calling the guy a liar and a corporate shill.

Cuz that is where the computer industry is leading for. The days of single threaded core programming (SMP based) is numbered and there is only so much performance that can be gained from this type of architecture. The type that Cell provides may be a paradigm shift in terms that people are thinking today, but it is only a matter of time before this shifts in to high gear and people will probably be programming for this architecture.
Tecmo also probably said this because they had to redesign all their engines and programming tools to fit the PS3. or for that matter, they probably only had to use the tools that MS provided to retrofit in to their tools to take advantage of the xbox360. Remember that PS3 requires a different way of doing things as well as a different way of thinking in solving issues. He probably hasn't actually had the time to sit and fit his way of thinking so he just said the first thing that came in to his mind, that the PS3 is too complicated to program for.
Heck, given some time and he would probably eat his words.

[Sion]

CliffyB is hot.*

*gay for CliffyB.

Small Japanese man who makes good games? My Gaydar is silent.

CliffyB? GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER.

When CliffyB starts bashing the ps3, I will believe.


Cliffy B is a god.


And damn cute to boot

[HumpYourWay]

Xerxes comments are worthless anyway

[mulligan]

Again, why is it a given that he's being bribed by MS? It's not like he normally holds back his opinion, why would he have to be paid to answer why he likes the 360 over the PS3? Carmack comes out and says the same thing and he's being honest, Itagaki says it and he's Microsoft's lapdog. Some folks got some issues in this thread.

Yes.. and you are one of them... you will defend a picture of bill gates killing a nun! i've never seen a comment from you that is not blindly biased towards microsoft, they are a monopoly, they do find loop holes around bussiness ethics.. they are evil. I wouldnt call you a "fanboi" since i know your bread and butter is gate's golden tit, but going so far as defending them blindly on a forum?.. well thats one of the reasons i skip past your posts, but hey dont bite that hand that feeds.. eh? ;)

PS Dont you remeber that microsoft offerd ID a LOT of money to hold doom3 untill an xbox port was done? do you think thats fair to the gamers? i dont, and thats the kind of business they like to do.. what? you think all those monopoly lawsuits are just games? they have a reason.

[Kelegacy]

I also like Itagaki's attitude.

You would. You two have virtually identical personalities.

[bapenguin]

It's not even the 360 is more powerful than the PS3...it's pretty much a wash there. It's the fact that MS has created development tools that are easy to use, and that a lot of developers are familiar with.

My guess is early on this next gen, XBox 360 games are going to look better than PS3 games, because developers will have an easier time untapping the 360 power. Eventually devs will figure out the PS3 architecture and tools and they'll begin to look SLIGHTY better.

[H.Bogard]

My neighbour jipsy fortuneteller had visions last night of itagaki standing in cliffy B`s bedroom , butt naked and all covered in butter.
Cliffy : Ooooo .....what a lovely tea party :D

[amusedtoe]

Considering the games that have been coming out for the past few years, I'd say he is one of the few devs left with any talent. Gone are the days of great games replaced with shallow gameplay and pretty pictures unable to even live up to the games they stole their ideas from.

Not that I dislike DoA but that series is the epitimatic "look at the shiney jiggly parts so you don't notice the shallow gameplay" series.

[Xerxes]

Xerxes comments are worthless anyway

*Sniff Sniff* Troll is that you?

[Paltry]

For the frat boys that constitute the majority of Xbox gamers, he's god.

really? frat boys=xbox players, news to me...

[EternalGamer]

As someone else has noted, the rare thing about Itagaki is that he both has a big mouth and can deliver. Does the skills of him and his team verify the critique? Not sure. But you certainly can't accuse the guy of being all talk like you can most of the other infamous industry "stars." I just started playing Ninja Gaiden Black (never having played much of the original) and I am constantly amazed by it. Whether or not it actually is, it sure makes you feel like it is the best damn game you've ever played while you are playing it. It's so good, it almost makes me want to buy DOA4 for the 360 despite not being all that hot on 3. With a development team this incredible, it makes me serious question whether there was just something in DOA I was just missing before aside from the T&A.

Dan

[RandomViolence]

Xerxes comments are worthless anyway

*Sniff Sniff* Troll is that you?

I pretty much agree with him. I'm still stunned by the fact that you quote yourself in your sig, and your arguments here don't help you out much.

[RandomViolence]

really? frat boys=xbox players, news to me...

News to me, too.

[Xerxes]

I pretty much agree with him. I'm still stunned by the fact that you quote yourself in your sig, and your arguments here don't help you out much.

Ok join the line of people i don't give a fuck about. I am not blowing l33t speak fanboi bs at you. His statement came after nothing specfic aside from I like the guy, making him being the one with worthless comments, and you to come back and agree with another nothing comment. Grab a fucking mirror. And so what i quoted myself, my sig my content, unless you wanted it or something otherwise don't worry about it.

After you are finished riding his package, sit on his retarded post record (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/search.php?searchid=90873).

[Achilles]

Cuz that is where the computer industry is leading for. The days of single threaded core programming (SMP based) is numbered and there is only so much performance that can be gained from this type of architecture. The type that Cell provides may be a paradigm shift in terms that people are thinking today, but it is only a matter of time before this shifts in to high gear and people will probably be programming for this architecture.The 360 is a 6 threaded 3 cored chip as well. His team would have already had to change their thinking to the multi-core model before they ever touched a Cell. And I agree, that was a huge barrier to a lot of the teams working on the 360, but Itagaki doesn’t usually complain about tech being too hard to work with. He’s not a coder after all, he’s the guy who tells the coders to do something, and he doesn’t sound like the kind of guy who would accept “it’s too hard” as an excuse. Yes.. and you are one of them... you will defend a picture of bill gates killing a nun! i've never seen a comment from you that is not blindly biased towards microsoft, they are a monopoly, they do find loop holes around bussiness ethics.. they are evil.Yeah…
Hey I just don’t personally attack people and call them corporate shills without any evidence at all other that than they’re saying something that I don’t agree with. Do you have any evidence that Itagaki took money from MS to say that he liked their system? Or was he just answering a question.

From everything I know the 360 is more powerful than the PS3, and the PS3 is really hard to work with and limited. One of the devs working on one called it a “big dumb blonde” looks good on the outside but incompetent at doing everything that you’d want to do. If you believe that Carmack, Itagaki, all of Tecmo and about a dozen others only said they like the 360 better because they took money than you've managed to create a nice little reality for yourself out of disbelief.

Lots of haters on the forums these days.

And about DOA, if it was objectively bad it wouldn’t have sold almost 2 million units and have 600,000 players who have thrown down on Live with Ultimate.

[Winter wolf]

Ok join the line of people i don't give a fuck about
Ouch hey hey what's with the flying sparks can't we all just pellow fight each other that's more civil you know not to mention how ungodly gay it is.

so, how much did itagaki get
=D

other than that, i can't wait for Ninja Gaiden 2, who the hell cares what a developer says now days, i've stoped listening to developers since peter molyn-whatever-x

[Kelegacy]

In the end, does it matter which games end up on which consoles? Would it matter if Ninja Gaiden and KOTOR 3 showed up on the PS3? How about Final Fantasy 13 on the Xbox? To me it doesnt fucking matter. I'll get to play them all eventually.

[The Iron Weasel]

In the end, does it matter which games end up on which consoles? Would it matter if Ninja Gaiden and KOTOR 3 showed up on the PS3? How about Final Fantasy 13 on the Xbox? To me it doesnt fucking matter. I'll get to play them all eventually.

I personally care because I have certain games that I like, so i'll buy a console to suit those needs, I know xbox as the established console for my First Choice, so I would like the games i prefer to be on said console. I just like the controller and stuff aswell. I will buy all the consoles eventually but people know certain consoles for certain things, and thats why it matters, also theres the fanboy thing.

[thecrazyd]

And about DOA, if it was objectively bad it wouldn’t have sold almost 2 million units and have 600,000 players who have thrown down on Live with Ultimate.
It is objectively mediocre, at best. The XBox is not known for its fighters, so mediocre sells. And since when did selling alot make a game good?

[Achilles]

It is objectively mediocre, at best. The XBox is not known for its fighters, so mediocre sells. And since when did selling alot make a game good?Well it’s my favorite fighting game next to Soul Calibur. Sales don’t mean much, but if people keep coming back there has to be something there, and DOA3 has sold better than any of the fighting games on PS2 last I saw, so not everyone can consider it mediocre at best.

[The Iron Weasel]

It is objectively mediocre, at best. The XBox is not known for its fighters, so mediocre sells. And since when did selling alot make a game good?

It doesnt make a game good, but it usually says something. But not always mind you, but I thought DOA was fun, not Soul Calibur II quality, but fun at least, and it got good reviews, but then again some bad games got good reviews. But thats not the point. Half-Life sold like 6 million copies and thats a fantastic game, HL2 sold like 2 million+ copies and that one of the best games ever, and i know this is like controversial here to some people but the halo series as a whole has sold more then 13 million copies. All of those considered great games (not by all) but by lots. So i dunno i think sales sometimes says something but not always (Beyond Good & Evil, sold like tinfoil wrapped shit and it was phenominal, and Enter The Matrix was matrix labeled tinfoil wrapped shit and sold lots) but anyway in closing I forget what I was talking about.

[thecrazyd]

Just because a genre has gone stale does not make the left overs good. I love adventure games, but that doesn't mean I am going to buy into crap like The Longest Journey. I guess I didn't phrase is very well, but the darth of decent fighters is not just on the XBox. And sales don't mean crap.

[Kelegacy]

Just because a genre has gone stale does not make the left overs good. I love adventure games, but that doesn't mean I am going to buy into crap like The Longest Journey. I guess I didn't phrase is very well, but the darth of decent fighters is not just on the XBox. And sales don't mean crap.

What? You don't like The Longest Journey? I would agree with you about the quality of Xbox fighters and how they are worthless with the Xbox controller anyway, but hating The Longest Journey?

Everyone, sic him.

[thecrazyd]

I don't think The Longest Journey is bad, just mediocre. It cannot hold a candle to the old Lucasarts games, or The Last Express, or hell, most anything from the Golden Age. Just boring and slow.

[Kelegacy]

I don't think The Longest Journey is bad, just mediocre. It cannot hold a candle to the old Lucasarts games, or The Last Express, or hell, most anything from the Golden Age. Just boring and slow.

Okay, I agree, in a way. I love adventure games, but most today are horrid and usually put out by The Adventure Company. TLJ was good, IMO, and the sequel should not disappoint either. Of course, I have to make due with its faults because games like the Lucasarts/Sierra classics of yesteryear are gone for good...

[TheBigL]

Longest journey was such a pathetic quest. Every thing was too obivius, it kills all the advanture idia. The only time I was stuck is when I had to call the crow at some part, so I called him at every screen possible till he appeared. Besides, it wasnt a long quest at all, If you ignore many of the talking they are doing (A-fucking-LOT), by the end of the game I was mostly skipping the texst. But I liked the ending, Pretty original :D

[thecrazyd]

Okay, I agree, in a way. I love adventure games, but most today are horrid and usually put out by The Adventure Company. TLJ was good, IMO, and the sequel should not disappoint either. Of course, I have to make due with its faults because games like the Lucasarts/Sierra classics of yesteryear are gone for good...
Which is exactly my point. TLJ is good, but how good would it be if it was released 10 years ago? I do not feel that it holds up to the genre greats. It is only accepted as being good because the genre is so stagnant now that average is considered to be excellent. The same is true with fighters. The genre is just as dead as the adventure genre. I would say that there were two greats in the last gen. Soul Caliber 2 and Smash Bros Melee. Fighter fans gobble up stuff like DOA just like adventure gamers gobble up TLJ.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

I loved the Longest Journey.

Step off that game bitches.


Edit - For some reason this comment never posted before:


CliffyB is hot.*

*gay for CliffyB.

Small Japanese man who makes good games? My Gaydar is silent.

CliffyB? GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER.

When CliffyB starts bashing the ps3, I will believe.


CliffyB makes me wet.

[mister_slim]

It's like he thinks hes the only dev out there with any talent (not just from this interview but from almost every previous interview). Thankfully for him his games are at least half way entertaining.
1 of 4 isn't too bad, I guess.
You would. You two have virtually identical personalities.
Itagaki has some credentials, though.

[Manzy]

So... what right does this guy have to be such a dick? I mean, I am sure Ninja Gaiden is also and all, but does he have anything under his belt other then that, some mediocre fighters, and a masturbation fodder volleyball game? How about he proves his self as a developer before he talks shit?

Tecmo Bowl?

[Morrolan]

Itagaki is an asshole, but he makes good games. I almost wanted NG to be shitty, just so that arrogant prick would be taken down a notch or two, but it turns out it was awesome, and I really have no grounds to deny his self-image. :(

[Kefkataran]

Man, Longest Journey wasn't the best game ever by any means, but it was still good shit. I'm very surprised to find adventure gamers who dislike it.

[TheBigL]

Man, Longest Journey wasn't the best game ever by any means, but it was still good shit. I'm very surprised to find adventure gamers who dislike it.

They are two types of advanture gamers.

First is Lucas arts advanture addicts. They love thier quests funny, complecated and rewarding. Fav games between them are: Monkey Island 1,2 and Day of the tentecle.

Second is Sierra advanture addicts. They love all quests. Not matter in what quality they are. They prefer a neverending quests. Fav games: King's Quest series, Hero's Quest series and of cource Larry.

I am a member of the first group, but I tend to fall to the second sometimes, because I sometimes feel a desprete need for a quest title.

Look I am not saying Sierra's quests are bad! I like many of them.
I used Lucas arts and sierras name because they were first and the best.

[Cubfan]

For the frat boys that constitute the majority of Xbox gamers, he's god.

As opposed to all of those intellectuals who constitute the majoirty of PS2 owners?

[Magnanimous Gnome]

As opposed to all of those intellectuals who constitute the majoirty of PS2 owners?


No, the intellectuals are Cube players. Like duh. :rolleyes:

[Sensei-X]

You know, maybe the guy comes off as arrogant, but I'm here to play his games not to be his best friend. If all our music, movies and games were selected based on how much of an ass the person making them is or isn't, we'd be pretty damn bored.

[Morratut]

In the end, does it matter which games end up on which consoles? Would it matter if Ninja Gaiden and KOTOR 3 showed up on the PS3? How about Final Fantasy 13 on the Xbox? To me it doesnt fucking matter. I'll get to play them all eventually.

Yes it does to me. I'd would be pissed if NG2 went to PS3 only. If that did happen then i would have to buy a PS3. If Xbox360 has NG2 and the PS3 has DMC4 then thats a nice balance i can live with :D

Oh and i preferred Soul Calibur1&2 to DOA games. In the DOA games i don't feel agile and dangerous.

[Eon]

You know, maybe the guy comes off as arrogant, but I'm here to play his games not to be his best friend. If all our music, movies and games were selected based on how much of an ass the person making them is or isn't, we'd be pretty damn bored.

*Clap Clap Clap*

Play the game he releases and THEN judge for yourself.

But really - we've heard all this before last generation. The PS2 was ungodly difficult to program too.

[HumpYourWay]

But really - we've heard all this before last generation. The PS2 was ungodly difficult to program too.

True but this also has advantages. As old as the PS2 hardware is - its still able to produce Resident Evil 4 in true widescreen and 480p. The newer Cube hardware could only do letterbox so the framerate wouldnt drop too much - lol.

[Eon]

There's a learning curve associated with new hardware, it's always steep at the beginning.

Honestly, it's like you all have some sort of loss of medium term memory... :)

[Kefkataran]

If all our music, movies and games were selected based on how much of an ass the person making them is or isn't, we'd be pretty damn bored.

Okay, okay, I'll admit it. I generally like Mars Volta's music even though they are super-pricks.

That said, the attitude of the people making my art is still always going to have some level of weigh-in on whether or not I buy or enjoy it. I dunno about you, but the majority of stuff I take in, I tend to take in from people who I don't consider to be asses. Usually even from people I respect!

But I guess if principle means nothing to you, then whatevs.

[Rommel]

I heard the PS2 was difficult to develop for as well. There were hardly any games written for that weird non-PC architecture!

One might argue that the quality of graphics on the PS2, in general, would reflect the difficulty of the system's architecture. I have seen the specs for the PS3, and they are amazing, but if developers cannot utilize that they are for naught. The Saturn, blessed as it was, was reportedly a chore to use. The result were some hideous looking 3D titles.

These guys adore working with Microsoft and we have still yet to see enough PS3 titles in motion to know just how well the system will push visuals and free limitations so what they say must be taken with a grain of salt. Still, it is not good to hear that a big name team does not like programming for you.

[HumpYourWay]

>>Carmack comes out and says the same thing and he's being honest,

Carmack? The guy who is responsible for a very boring game experience called DOOM 3? He is just pissed he cant use OpenGL on that system.

Take Hideo Kojima - instead of trash-talking like Carmack or Itagaki he just presented the realtime trailer of MGS4 which looks totally amazing...

Interesting fact: PS2 is supposed to be hard to develop... hmmm no other system has a bigger software-library than the friggin' PS2... So in the end: This whole talk about it being hard to develop on ps3 is pretty pointless in the end.

BTW: They say its hard to develop because of the eight cores - similar to the three cores on X360.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

True but this also has advantages. As old as the PS2 hardware is - its still able to produce Resident Evil 4 in true widescreen and 480p. The newer Cube hardware could only do letterbox so the framerate wouldnt drop too much - lol.



Oh yes, how could we all forget that the PS2 is really a more powerful system than the Cube, despite the major graphical difference in 99.9% of the titles. :rolleyes:

[Achilles]

Carmack? The guy who is responsible for a very boring game experience called DOOM 3? He is just pissed he cant use OpenGL on that system.

Take Hideo Kojima - instead of trash-talking like Carmack or Itagaki he just presented the realtime trailer of MGS4 which looks totally amazing...Kojima pimped the Cell like no one's business in his trailer. And as far as Itagaki and Carmack goes, both have gameplay running on the 360 as opposed to an in-game cinematic. Not that I think MGS4's gameplay will look worse than that video.

And as far as Carmack goes isn't it fairly important that the PS3 doesn't support OpenGL? Because it's sure not supporting DirectX. Also Carmack is a coder and has little do to with how boring Doom 3 was.

[mister_slim]

And as far as Carmack goes isn't it fairly important that the PS3 doesn't support OpenGL? Because it's sure not supporting DirectX. Also Carmack is a coder and has little do to with how boring Doom 3 was.
The PS3 doesn't support OpenGL?

[Achilles]

The PS3 doesn't support OpenGL?Yeah I thought that was strange too, but that's what the guy I quoted said Carmack said so I went with it. Really I'd be shocked if it didn't, Open GL is the biggest alternative to Direct X, and a lot of games use it as that other OpenGL Vista thread mentioned.

[bobbler]

PS3 is OpenGL (subset of OpenGL actually, OpenGL ES -- OpenGL has a ton of stuff for CAD type programs that just aren't necessarily for games). Xbox is DirectX (modified version of it).

[Kelegacy]

PS3 is OpenGL (subset of OpenGL actually, OpenGL ES -- OpenGL has a ton of stuff for CAD type programs that just aren't necessarily for games). Xbox is DirectX (modified version of it).

Our resident fact-checker is here to save the day. Everyone has a key role to play here at EvAv, and I am always happy when bobbler shows up to clear away the stupidity that is latent in our peanut brains.

I am grateful for you bobbler. I am also on ecstasy, so can I rub against you in a non-gay manner?

[Achilles]

PS3 is OpenGL (subset of OpenGL actually, OpenGL ES -- OpenGL has a ton of stuff for CAD type programs that just aren't necessarily for games). Xbox is DirectX (modified version of it).Thanks for giving us the lowdown or the "skinny" on that. I was looking for a quote where Carmack said what the dude claimed he said about not supporting Open GL and I couldn't find anything. The most Carmack said from what I found is that it's too complicated, but he liked that Sony doesn't plan to keep as tight a control over the content that comes out on it.

[Xerxes]

Ok HumpYourWayToTheTop posted that ps3 ain't opengl, so it's complete bullshit post to read anyways... Out of 27 post that's like one of the 7 he doesn't use the word pathetic.

www.m-w.com find another word genius.

[Chris_D]

I prefer tekken myself but there are a lot of hardcore fighter fans out there who appreciate the mechanics in DoA. Writing off the series as just fan service seems kind of silly.

[KamaItachi]

I prefer tekken myself but there are a lot of hardcore fighter fans out there who appreciate the mechanics in DoA. Writing off the series as just fan service seems kind of silly.

Actually, I used to be one of those guys that wrote off the series as a pretty jiggle-fest and not much else. I had got a copy of DOA3 cheap but only played it once or twice because I just felt dirty every time I loaded it up.

Then one day I was bored and decided to boot it up and mash some buttons and really got into the series. I pretty much played it for weeks on end and even then I knew I was only scratching the surface of the fighting/reversal system. I'm glad I actually gave it a shot and am pretty stoked over DOA4 now.

I think though that the jigglies do make some take the game a little less seriously as a hardcore fighter.

[HumpYourWay]

He Xerxes - Looking at your sig/quote or your way of taking game forums too serious: Ever got laid? No? I thought so... :cool:

[HumpYourWay]

and I am always happy when bobbler shows up to clear away the stupidity that is latent in our peanut brains.

Who are the privileged among us here with a big ass peanut brain? Certainly not me or Xerxes.

Can someone explain me this shit then:
"One idea we've been sort of tossing around that is just a random idea is possibly doing some kind of super edition of the Doom 3 stuff for the PS3. It's something that we'd kind of like to do." Carmack did not go into specifics but considering his comments at QuakeCon last August and in this interview that he prefers the Xbox 360 over the PS3 to make games on, one has to wonder what a "super" version of Doom 3 would really be like."

Hmmm so in the end the developers just say anything they want in interviews without keeping too much attention on consisentcy. A bit like posters on gameforums.

Nobody can take me away the right to have a different opinion at the beginning and the end of a sentence :)

But this whole thread is a joke anyway (yay, I avoided pathetic). The different camps arguing about how hard it is to develop for PS3 and that developer will scare away from the console? Nonsense - Same shit talk was coming up when PS2 was about to be released (the Dreamcast fraction for example was up in arms). And now; PS2 most succesful and Dreamcast a goner....

[Xerxes]

He Xerxes - Looking at your sig/quote or your way of taking game forums too serious: Ever got laid? No? I thought so... :cool:

:rolleyes: Answering your own silly questions, zomg you're sooo cool. :cool:
But,yeah, i laid your moms to the bottom so you'd have to trollyourwaytothetop...

Nobody can take me away the right to have a different opinion at the beginning and the end of a sentence :confused:
That's shitty wording, but I think you mean "take your right away" to have an opinoin. No, we can't, but retarded facts can be left at the door.

And saying you didn't use a word, while using the word, well it's still using it.

[RandomViolence]

He Xerxes - Looking at your sig/quote or your way of taking game forums too serious: Ever got laid? No? I thought so... :cool:

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