Perfect Dark Zero NOT on 360 launch day?

[Major Scud]

IGN (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/653/653575p1.html) has a new article up about perfect dark zero where they discuss the games co-op mode, new looks, and possible no-show status on launch day.

Lastly, we've learned that Perfect Dark Zero is not concretely set to launch day and date with Xbox 360. In other words, it's doubtful as a day one launch title. Expect to see it in 2005, and most probably before Christmas, but not day one.
I pre-ordered this and kameo... Looks like I'll be playing Halo 2 for my FPS jollies on day one... :(

[Savok]

It's Rare, it'd of taken an act of God for them to make an actual release date.

[Varsity]

it'd of takenArrgh, my left cerebral hemisphere! "It would have taken".

I feel a little better now, sorry about that. :)

[Zeal]

Not too good.

The graphics are also highly unimpressive.

[Abash Alarmist]

Arrgh, my left cerebral hemisphere! "It would have taken".

I feel a little better now, sorry about that. :)

Even then that is not the correct grammatical form of the statement that he was trying to make. He is stating it as a past tense, when clearly, we are dealing with the present/future tense...

The correct statement would read as follows, "It would take"...Not "would have," since they are a present day company and one that is no longer existing (for now anyways).

[Rommel]

Are contractions really that bad? Yes, they are that bad.

[Varsity]

The correct statement would read as follows, "It would take"...Not "would have," since they are a present day company and one that is no longer existing (for now anyways).
I corrected what he said, not what he was trying to say. ;)

[Morratut]

Dissapointed if true but i'm not that suprised to be honest.

I can't see a online mp shooter to replace Halo2 on the 360 horizon yet :(

[Kelegacy]

How many guys work at Rare? Two and a half?

I wonder if the caution road signs near their development complex say "Slow Developers at Play".

[Nessus]

Well, it's Rare.

Every game Rare has ever made was delayed at least once.

As a primarily N64 gamer back during the 32 bit generation I got used to it, looks like Xbox fans will too.

[Savok]

It's past tense because it was doomed from day one. It's like Nintendo giving up games and making candy instead, Rare simply wasn't going to make the date.

[Babbster]

Did anyone else note that everything except the last paragraph in that story cited sources? "Microsoft confirmed" was used a couple times, and they mentioned an article in OXM. In the final paragraph, it's wishy-washy and doesn't cite sources for their info. One can't help but wonder if IGN "learned" about this possible delay from some guy standing at the copy machine in their office.

Some Guy: Dude, did you hear the latest?
Bad IGN Writer: You smell like pot.
Some Guy: Dude, I mean it, do you have the latest "information"?
Bad IGN Writer: I'd love to score some if you got it.
Some Guy: <whispers> Rare might not get Perfect Dark Zero done in time for the Xbox 360 launch.
Bad IGN Writer: ...
Some Guy: <nods knowingly>
Bad IGN Writer: Seriously, do you have some weed or not?

Aaaaand scene.

[bone_matrix]

I sort of hope it doesn't make launch. The only game I'll be picking up (unless I break down and charge more, which I don't have the cash for) will be Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter. Hopefully they can take the time and really polish PD0 this up.

[Viruscool]

It better had make the launch day as this is the only game I want on the 360 full stop, PD was and will be the greatest FPS ever created for a console, and even though I enjoy playing Halo 2, I can say that I got more joy out of playing the N64 version of PD and I'm sure I will enjoy the 360 version even more!

*prepares his anti-flame proof costume

[automaton]

Of course Microsoft will not confirm this. They are perfectly happy to have everyone think that PD0 is going to be a launch title..

[MasterEvilAce]

Did anyone else note that everything except the last paragraph in that story cited sources? "Microsoft confirmed" was used a couple times, and they mentioned an article in OXM. In the final paragraph, it's wishy-washy and doesn't cite sources for their info. One can't help but wonder if IGN "learned" about this possible delay from some guy standing at the copy machine in their office.

Some Guy: Dude, did you hear the latest?
Bad IGN Writer: You smell like pot.
Some Guy: Dude, I mean it, do you have the latest "information"?
Bad IGN Writer: I'd love to score some if you got it.
Some Guy: <whispers> Rare might not get Perfect Dark Zero done in time for the Xbox 360 launch.
Bad IGN Writer: ...
Some Guy: <nods knowingly>
Bad IGN Writer: Seriously, do you have some weed or not?

Aaaaand scene.


lmao. Bravo

[novicius]

Wasn't this already mentioned before that PDZ wasn't going to make Day 1 launch? I think that Microsoft's trying to create a 90-day "launch window" ( :rolleyes: ) combined with the bundles made the release date time hazy.

PDZ is not going to be Day 1. MS should gut Rare and get some new hires in there to develop the established IPs. :p Time to rebuild.

[Chagrinful]

Dissapointed if true but i'm not that suprised to be honest.

I can't see a online mp shooter to replace Halo2 on the 360 horizon yet :(

You think this joke will replace Halo 2? Well alright then, both are horrible, why not!

[doubtingthomas]

Geez. It's "delayed", while I never heard of it, or any other title for that matter, being confirmed for launch. No big deal. Compared to Half Life 2, which Valve said was coming out in September of 2004 which eventually came out in November of 2005, what's the worry?

[SPBTooL]

I don't think that not making it day one is going to be that big of a deal. Not making it day one just means not on launch day. It can still show up within the first few weeks or even that first week.

This is a must have for me but not at launch. I need to make sure that I have money for a second cordless controller, battery and play and charge kit. I also have to be able to get Kameo on launch day or my wife will kill me.

I must say that I'm not surprised to hear this news. Kameo was not shown at either E3 or TGS. I do expect to see it at X05 though. I also Believe that, out of the 2 Rare titles, Kameo is more important to MS. The Xbox already established the system as a FPS machine. I believe that MS wants to show that this is the best system is a for all types of games/gamers.

[bone4ahead]

Compared to Half Life 2, which Valve said was coming out in September of 2004 which eventually came out in November of 2005, what's the worry?

Ya, I can't wait for Half-life 2 to come out this November!!11 :rolleyes:

[slothy]

Hey, a little birdie told me that Call of Duty 2 should provide you with your FPS fix!

[Ludoc]

Ya, I can't wait for Half-life 2 to come out this November!!11 :rolleyes:

Actually, the Halflife 2 release date for x-box is November 15th. So I kinda am looking forward to it's release this November. (source) (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/halflife2/)

I think MS may consider anything that comes out by Japan's launch date, Dec 10th, to be a launch title.

[earthworm48]

The article on IGN says PD0 will be out in 2005, so if its not out on launch it will be out within a month or so, and if you want it its not like its been delayed until the end of next year.

[Sykus]

Wasn't this already mentioned before that PDZ wasn't going to make Day 1 launch? I think that Microsoft's trying to create a 90-day "launch window" ( :rolleyes: ) combined with the bundles made the release date time hazy.

PDZ is not going to be Day 1. MS should gut Rare and get some new hires in there to develop the established IPs. :p Time to rebuild.

I'm with you.

PDZ and Oblivion are the only real temptations I had to buy this system early on. How many years have they been working on PDZ now, and they still can't make a date? I believe in "don't release it until it's done" as much as the next guy, but if I were Microsoft this would piss me off.

PDZ has been on every launch day list I've seen. I was telling a friend of mine just yesterday that it was going to be a launch day title, he was actually saying he may have to pick up a 360 since that's the case. Now...

[bone4ahead]

Actually, the Halflife 2 release date for x-box is November 15th. So I kinda am looking forward to it's release this November.

Bah, play the PC version. I suppose if the Xbox is your only option then that will do. But the PC version has better graphics, CS: source, and lots of mods, like Garry's mod. Not to mention keyboard + mouse control.

[ezzkmo]

i like to think of halo as a poorly done perfect dark clone. after all, pd came out first and did absolutely everything better. from graphics (for its time, imo) to weapon selection to gadgets to story to characters and especially multiplayer. and even the bots were not just dumb bots. they fuckin chased yer ass down if you killed them (gotta love the revenge sim). among many others.

pd0 better be good. and if it were to be a launch title it would have to go gold in the next couple weeks in order to make it in time. ain't gonna happen. they're prolly still hiring people to help work on it :p

[Magnanimous Gnome]

This is a must have for me but not at launch. I need to make sure that I have money for a second cordless controller, battery and play and charge kit. I also have to be able to get Kameo on launch day or my wife will kill me.


Be ready to throw down about 70 bucks for a second wireless controller and the play and charge kit.

Man, that's just fucking insane. With one hundred dollars, you could buy either two Xbox controllers, or a Gamecube. Sheesh.


i like to think of halo as a poorly done perfect dark clone. after all, pd came out first and did absolutely everything better. from graphics (for its time, imo) to weapon selection to gadgets to story to characters and especially multiplayer. and even the bots were not just dumb bots. they fuckin chased yer ass down if you killed them (gotta love the revenge sim). among many others.


True, PD did have everything Halo had, and then some. The game had great co-op, fun counter-op, awesome and long single player, great bots, great multiplayer, a TON of maps, loads of unlockables, etc.

Wait, why is Halo the best console FPS again?

[Neverborne]

Bah, play the PC version. I suppose if the Xbox is your only option then that will do. But the PC version has better graphics, CS: source, and lots of mods, like Garry's mod. Not to mention keyboard + mouse control.

I don't know about you, but I can play games with a mouse and keyboard on my X-Box. Gotta love the Smartjoy Frag.

[Adam Blue]

I'm buying too many luanch titles that I don't mind this delay....and even if it's true it looks like a minor delay.

[UnderHero5]

I didn't read through all the comments, but I'm SURE this has been said.
Rare not making a release date?... No way!! </sarcasm>

PD0 was supposed to be an Xbox title. Just like now it's supposed to be a 360 title.
We'll see it on the Xbox 720 if we're lucky.

[Savok]

I think it was N64 at one point as well, though I may be getting it confused with Kameo. There's another you shouldn't expect at launch.

[mister_slim]

I'm sure it will hit the launch (window, i.e. before February '06).
Did anyone else note that everything except the last paragraph in that story cited sources? "Microsoft confirmed" was used a couple times, and they mentioned an article in OXM. In the final paragraph, it's wishy-washy and doesn't cite sources for their info. One can't help but wonder if IGN "learned" about this possible delay from some guy standing at the copy machine in their office.

Some Guy: Dude, did you hear the latest?
Bad IGN Writer: You smell like pot.
Some Guy: Dude, I mean it, do you have the latest "information"?
Bad IGN Writer: I'd love to score some if you got it.
Some Guy: <whispers> Rare might not get Perfect Dark Zero done in time for the Xbox 360 launch.
Bad IGN Writer: ...
Some Guy: <nods knowingly>
Bad IGN Writer: Seriously, do you have some weed or not?

Aaaaand scene.
Now I'm looking forward to the Slashdot via TeamXbox story about how much pot the IGN staff smokes (lots and lots).

[Rafer]

On the plus side, from the newer magazine scans (http://www.jeux-france.com/images_4061.html?Nbr_images_pages=64) the game is looking much better. There's even a crack about "elitist message-board snobs" on the 9th scan.

[Heretic Machine]

So much good news about the 360 these days.

[Xerxes]

WOW... This game was pig-fugly, but now, I might just have to keep a eye out for it. But with Ghost Recon 3 and Oblivion I doubt it will be that missed.

[Major Scud]

kameo is a confirmed launch day release title according to rare, as is madden 06 and Need For Speed. Those are the only three I "know" will be on launch day.

[doubtingthomas]

Ya, I can't wait for Half-life 2 to come out this November!!11 :rolleyes:

Oh you know what the hell I meant. Half Life 2 was supposed to come out in September of 2003 and came out in November of 2004. A 14 month delay. A couple of months or less of delay for PDZ by comparison is no big deal.

[Sensei-X]

Seems to me Microsoft probably replaced the Rare guys under cover of darkness with people that know WTF they're doing, because after seeing those scans I find it hard to believe these are the same guys who made Grabbed By The Ghoulies.

[EternalGamer]

Seems to me Microsoft probably replaced the Rare guys under cover of darkness with people that know WTF they're doing, because after seeing those scans I find it hard to believe these are the same guys who made Grabbed By The Ghoulies.

It does seem the like not only the amount of detail, but the entire art style has changed and become more sophisticated since the early screens. I do recall something about a Boat of Bungie employees sailing over via orders from MS to help out with the game. But surely it could not have made THAT big of difference.

I was already intrigued by the game even when the graphics looked somewhat questionable. Now, I am even more interested. Anybody know what magazine these scans are from. The article looks pretty indepth and interesting from the few pages I was able to get to load (I'm on dial-up still).


Dan

[Montgomery_Python]

Bah, play the PC version. I suppose if the Xbox is your only option then that will do. But the PC version has better graphics, CS: source, and lots of mods, like Garry's mod. Not to mention keyboard + mouse control.

Just played PC Half-Life 2.

Absolutely amazing game with stunning renders. I have a hard time believing a console version could look or play better.

[Ludoc]

Anybody know what magazine these scans are from. The article looks pretty indepth and interesting from the few pages I was able to get to load (I'm on dial-up still).

Ya, right on the bottom of couple of the scans it says "Official X-box Magazine." According to their website (http://www.officialxboxmagazine.com/) next month's issue is all about the 360. If you want the read the article for your self, that's probably one you want. I just hope there are some good demos to help me justify buying that rag.

[Savok]

If MS do manage to get Rare to follow through on a release date, it'll be the best thing they've done in quite awhile.

[Xerxes]

Rare needs to get shit out the way and make Killer Instinct 3.

[The Iron Weasel]

I'm hoping that this is good, because everything you guys are saying was said about Halo before it launched so I have high hopes. Plus i absolutely loved Perfect Dark back on the 64.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

Perfect Dark Zero will have to reach high above Halo, or I shall be very disappointed.

For example: the levels in Perfect Dark were much more detailed and varied than those in Halo, so I expect some great level designs here.

[The Iron Weasel]

Perfect Dark Zero will have to reach high above Halo, or I shall be very disappointed.

For example: the levels in Perfect Dark were much more detailed and varied than those in Halo, so I expect some great level designs here.

I respectfully disagree...........you bastard.

[Major Scud]

me and my friends are pretty bummed about this, we were planning a perfect dark zero marathon after the midnight launch...now we're just gonna go home and sleep :(

[Magnanimous Gnome]

I respectfully disagree...........you bastard.



You honestly think that the levels in Halo were more detailed and varied than those in Perfect Dark? All fanboyism aside, objectively Perfect Dark does have a much bigger level variety, and the levels do have more stuff in them.


Edit - You bastard. :p

[EternalGamer]

You honestly think that the levels in Halo were more detailed and varied than those in Perfect Dark? All fanboyism aside, objectively Perfect Dark does have a much bigger level variety, and the levels do have more stuff in them.


Edit - You bastard. :p


I think it is two very different styles of level design. Halo's levels certainly feel more organic to me, they contribute significantly to the immersion factor and the feeling of being on a different world. Halo didn't depend on its levels for gameplay variation, that came from the AI scenarios.

Dark's gameplay took just the opposite approach. Lots of different environments, many of them feelng very disconnected from one another. Gameplay variation came more from different setups within the levels.

Personally, I preferred Halo, but that's also because I like to play games that don't make me feel like there is a strobe light constantly flashing. PD would have been great if it would have run at half way decent frame rate and without the signiture N64 Blur-o-vision. I actually thought Golden Eye looked and played better. PD tried too hard and looked too "busy". GE was simplistic, clean, and smooth.

Dan

[Magnanimous Gnome]

True, Perfect Dark did suffer from intense blurritis.

Still, there is a special place in my heart for that game. My friends played it for months and months. The multiplayer was insanely customizable and had tons of maps - we never got bored with it.

[The Iron Weasel]

True, Perfect Dark did suffer from intense blurritis.

Still, there is a special place in my heart for that game. My friends played it for months and months. The multiplayer was insanely customizable and had tons of maps - we never got bored with it.

Dude when that game came out, I didn't even know what a framerate was, nor did any of my friends. So we just played the shit out of it! And didn't care. Oh to be young again.