Microsoft Cuts Japan a Break?

[Steve_Erhardt]

Looks like Microsoft is going to give the Japanese a price Break on the Xbox 360, according to an article (http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/15/technology/personaltech/xbox360/index.htm) on CNN:

Japanese consumers will actually get something of a discount, the company announced Thursday. Only one Xbox package will be offered there with a price tag of ¥37,900, roughly $342.
WTF? I mean, yes, a lot of good games come from Japan and all, but they've essentially wiped their asses with the XBox, while the US and Europe have made it the powerhouse console it is today. Maybe it's part of their plan to get more market in Japan, but it feels like a slap in the face. Why aren't WE getting the sweeter price?

/crybaby

[Heretic Machine]

Reason number 341 not to buy a 360. I think Microsoft has almost reached it's goal...

[NoName]

Reason number 341 not to buy a 360. I think Microsoft has almost reached it's goal...
See, you're underestimating Microsoft's drive to reach higher and higher. I'm sure they'll hit the 500 mark soon enough.

[Testcase]

Why aren't WE getting the sweeter price?

/crybaby[/i]


Because we'll suck it down at the higher price and thank Microsoft for the privilege?

[TheEpicOfTyler]

^ Beat me to it. :(

[Xerxes]

Cause the some how it's accepted they are the lord town of videogames or some shit. Microsoft can't have it so they bribing it. Don't you remember the crystal clear and kasumi blue xbox 1's. They went through alot of crap for europe and japan. With us, they can win enough over with something like Halo2 and call it a day.

[Deathbane27]

They've only got as much power to rip us off as we give them.

PC version of Oblivion, here I come!

[Steve_Erhardt]

Well, I just don't have the finances in order to get an XBox 360 right off the bat, so I'm in a holding pattern regardless, but I'll definitely get one sooner or later. It just pisses me off that the entire realm where they were treated so shabbily is getting the sweet approach, and the places that put the Xbox where it is right now get dick (unless you wanna count ridiculously priced and horribly selected package deals). >=[

[Selar]

Yeah, I don't get it. Since when does Microsoft (or any company for that matter) care more about their sales figures than the happiness of their customers?

[Testcase]

^ Beat me to it. :(

I am TEH WIN!!111

[Rakael]

Oh goddamnit, give me a break. EVERY corp rips you off! Its their business to do this, its how they make money. They mostly sell you crap you don't need at prices you really shouldn't spend. So what? I'm happy with this arrangement for now, so long as I can get my neat new toys.

On this topic: so they gave a market a price break due to lagging sales, is that really such a bad thing? Seems pretty smart to me, and also seems like it would be a pretty common practice. People in America will pay whatever MS wants to charge and they know it. Corps are in the business of making money, not patting loyal customers on the back. If they know you are loyal, they will rip you off even worse because they can.

So, with that rant out of the way, I just don't see what the big deal is. Its not even that great of a price drop, and will probably do little to help them in Japan, but they have to try something.

[doubtingthomas]

Microsoft is a corporation who's goal is to make money, and they make decisions about pricing that they think will help make them more money in the long run. Why are people surprised or disappointed regarding this? Microsoft is not your childhood buddy or your roommate. They aren't going to hook you up with a sweet discount. They want all of your money that they can. It's capitalism. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but geez, some of you guys............ I can understand not wanting to buy it because it's too expensive, or you're just not interested, but some people act like Bill Gates slept with their mom about shit like this.

[Steve_Erhardt]

Yeah, I don't get it. Since when does Microsoft (or any company for that matter) care more about their sales figures than the happiness of their customers?
See? Selar sees where I'm coming from! WTF?

[MasterEvilAce]

Listen. This is good, people.
Japan buys more XBox360's at a discounted price.
XBOX 360 more popular.
Japan game makers develop for XBOX 360
MORE Games.
Microsoft ass-reams Japan with games that cost more than american counter-part, thus making back the money.
Japan will have to buy the games because they already bought the console, it would be a waste otherwise.

Got it? Good.

[Kelegacy]

You aren't a crybaby if you think this is despicable. It IS a sort of slap in the face. Western gamers make Xbox a far-distant contender (but still a contender) and we have to pay more money AND they have the audacity to release the system in two versions: shitty and good (ripoff and marginally expensive). 350 would have been a great price (360 would have been superb marketing) but nope. Japan gets the better system, with no stupid dual SKU choice, AND a significantly cheaper price.

That's real fucking cool.

Hey, could you import a Japanese console and save some dinero? It's still NTSC-J, right? Can you still play NTSC games on a Japanese system?

[Mrbunchypants]

Another question will they be getting the core? or full thing? and why only one package??????

[Steve_Erhardt]

Oh goddamnit, give me a break. EVERY corp rips you off! Its their business to do this, its how they make money. They mostly sell you crap you don't need at prices you really shouldn't spend. So what? I'm happy with this arrangement for now, so long as I can get my neat new toys.

On this topic: so they gave a market a price break due to lagging sales, is that really such a bad thing? Seems pretty smart to me, and also seems like it would be a pretty common practice. People in America will pay whatever MS wants to charge and they know it. Corps are in the business of making money, not patting loyal customers on the back. If they know you are loyal, they will rip you off even worse because they can.

So, with that rant out of the way, I just don't see what the big deal is. Its not even that great of a price drop, and will probably do little to help them in Japan, but they have to try something.

Oh, I get all that. I really do. Financially this is what works for MS, it doesn't take a mental giant to see that.

It's just that my sense of brand loyalty leaves me feeling more than a little indignant at this news, regardless. Imagine busting your ass working your uncle's farm for a year, then he turns around and gives the jerk who sat on his ass all day every day a big fat bonus and you get squat. Kind of how this makes me feel.

[Justin_McElroy]

Or if your uncle sells the farm to those gorram Japs.

[Rakael]

I do understand where you are coming from, I just have have sand in my underpants and am looking for a good reason to rant. I have no brand loyalty though, as I know every company on earth would shoot me in the balls if they could make a dollar off it. They aren't my friends, hell they don't even know who I am regardless of whether or not I've given them thousands.

[MasterEvilAce]

Oh come on, they can't help that they're Japanese. Give Microsoft a damn break for giving them a damn break.

[Steve_Erhardt]

Another question will they be getting the core? or full thing? and why only one package??????
Well I'm making a bit of an assumption here, but I figure it's the full version 360 otherwise they could charge full price for the core-system and it'd still be cheaper. Otherwise they're giving a royal reaming to the Japanese by charging MORE for the core there than they do here, which does not affect me directly but would still irritate me on general principle.

I'm not trying to take a good deal away from Japan, I'm more wondering why we, the ones who dumped crazy money into the first one and put it on the map, aren't getting it too. Of course the practical answer is because we'll buy it regardless, and I have a complete pipedream about how MS should reciprocate our loyalty (or whatever word you want to use there).

[Zeal]

Oh my God. Fuck this shit.

[InstaPete]

Yeah, I don't get it. Since when does Microsoft (or any company for that matter) care more about their sales figures than the happiness of their customers?

Clearly you don't understand how business works. Microsoft did this as a personal insult to ME. It's $50 cheaper (which is what, about 15%?) This is a personal affront, an outrage and a sign that Microsoft will be soon going out of business.

That's right.

I'm organizing an online petition. Microsoft will rue the day they crossed me.

[Phades]

I think it's pretty simple. In the western territories, they know it'll sell well at the prices they're offering. They probably even expect a sellout for this season. If you know a product is going to be selling out, you're going to charge whatever price you can get away with, otherwise you're dumb. This is expecially true when you're taking a loss on every system sold. Why would MS want to increase the losses they'll be taking here???

In Japan, they feel it wouldn't sell at the higher price point. They're trying to make ground there so they want to make it more appealing to their Japanese customers.

In short, they know they'll do fine here. Japan is a much more difficult proposition for them so they're being aggressive. I don't seem to remember copious amounts of bitching about WoW being cheaper in China. This situation is no different. You try to aim for a price that people will pay.

[MasterEvilAce]

Exactly.

Stop buying stupid/pointless shit the day it comes out and businesses will stop raping you opening day.

[Testcase]

I'm organizing an online petition. Microsoft will rue the day they crossed me.


Oh man.. soda went all over the screen on that one.

[TheBigL]

LOL, just like I said before. Microsoft is trying to get friendly with the japanese.

But I must admit I havent forseen that kind of a move. :p
jees, I hate MS more and more each passing moment :p

[endrom]

Reason number 341 not to buy a 360. I think Microsoft has almost reached it's goal...
another reason your a fanboy...

back to topic, the price lowering does suck, I feel it will be a failure to grasp japans market. Your attacking on nintendos AND sonys turf. they have home feild advantage, Microsoft needs to aim towards USAs and Englands market. thats where their strong points are.

But isnt it all about fanbase these days?
of course not, Its about Fun, thats what games are FOR.

[Heretic Machine]

Ya, that dude down the street who mugs people is just trying to make a buck too. Why are the police getting so bitchy with him?

another reason your a fanboy...

I love it when fucktards come in here and act like they know shit about me. Do you realize how much I supported the original XBOX? Do you know how much I bash Sony? Have you heard my opinion of Nintendo's "tilt" controller?

Go crawl back to Gamefaqs.

[Kelegacy]

Exactly.

Stop buying stupid/pointless shit the day it comes out and businesses will stop raping you opening day.

Yup, in 6months/a year I'll have all the good games as everyone who buys at launch, but I'll be paying a lower price. I've stopped buying at launch because I find myself bored a couple weeks to a month later, waiting for new games to come out.

[TheBigL]

Its really silly to see someone go and protect each of thiers fav console by saying "fanboy" on everyone who bashes thiers fav console.

Doesnt it actually make "you" the fanboy? since if you werent one, you wouldnt care?

just a thought.

[endrom]

Ya, that dude down the street who mugs people is just trying to make a buck too. Why are the police getting so bitchy with him?



I love it when fucktards come in here and act like they know shit about me. Do you realize how much I supported the original XBOX? Do you know how much I bash Sony? Have you heard my opinion of Nintendo's "tilt" controller?

Go crawl back to Gamefaqs.

No Thanks, form this little quote
I Am aNsWeRinG POsT w00t w00t! u R teh NewBie gEt oFf teh dAmn sIte!
I do believe you do belong there. honestly I haven't read a decent thing form your point of view since I joined the EA forums.

But hey its not like your doing a public service or something (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4716)

[TheBigL]

guys... stop it before it gets messy...

[endrom]

Its really silly to see someone go and protect each of thiers fav console by saying "fanboy" on everyone who bashes thiers fav console.

Doesnt it actually make "you" the fanboy? since if you werent one, you wouldnt care?

just a thought.

Very true and I do understand, I do own a xbox but also ps2, Gamecube, and PC. If you really want my true thoughts on the xbox 360, I smell the dreamcast, the dead clammy smell of rotting dreamcast.

[doubtingthomas]

Ya, that dude down the street who mugs people is just trying to make a buck too. Why are the police getting so bitchy with him?



Because Microsoft is commiting a crime and taking money away from someone when they decide to charge one price for their entertainment product on one side of the planet, and another price on the other..........eh........yeah..........

[TheBigL]

oh by the way... PS3 Rocks your socks!!!

[KNOTE]

first of all, i'm not trying to be an apologist. but my guess why it's cheaper....

#1 the yen is strong vs the dollar
#2 manufactured in china = lower shipping costs
#3 need to not get assed in japan market
#4 need return on massive japanese game dev investments

=

they get the savings while we get it sooner.

[Hellstorm]

http://www.razoric.com/images/xbox360.jpg

Footage of Japan's reaction to the Xbox360

I'll take Sony and Nintendo for the win, Alex.

[InstaPete]

Ya, that dude down the street who mugs people is just trying to make a buck too. Why are the police getting so bitchy with him?



I love it when fucktards come in here and act like they know shit about me. Do you realize how much I supported the original XBOX? Do you know how much I bash Sony? Have you heard my opinion of Nintendo's "tilt" controller?

Go crawl back to Gamefaqs.

Dude, you seriously need to take a step back and chill out. Microsoft isn't "mugging" anyone by charging one price in an established market and another SLIGHTLY (again, just under 15%) in another market that they're trying desperately to capture. They're selling a product, and they need to charge the price that they think will move the maximum units while maximizing profit. They're not, you know, stealing. It's not a personal insult or some kind of bizarre "slap in the face".

Look, if you're going to use insane, nonsensical analogies, at least go with the time-honored route of using Hitler and the Nazis. Here, I'll even do the work for you:

A) "Microsoft's charging less to other people than us? That sounds like something HITLER would like!"
B) "Microsoft charging a lower price to Japan than to America is like Hitler making Jews wear a yellow star on their sleeve, and also, you have to buy the star, and also, it costs less for other people to buy their stars."
C) "Oh, yeah, Microsoft's just trying to do their job and make more money? You know who else was just trying to do their job? THE NAZIS."
D) Etc, etc, etc.

[TheBigL]

Look, if you're going to use insane, nonsensical analogies, at least go with the time-honored route of using Hitler and the Nazis. Here, I'll even do the work for you:

A) "Microsoft's charging less to other people than us? That sounds like something HITLER would like!"
B) "Microsoft charging a lower price to Japan than to America is like Hitler making Jews wear a yellow star on their sleeve, and also, you have to buy the star, and also, it costs less for other people to buy their stars."
C) "Oh, yeah, Microsoft's just trying to do their job and make more money? You know who else was just trying to do their job? THE NAZIS."
D) Etc, etc, etc.

Huh? :confused:
Man what were you smoking?

[Heretic Machine]

It's time for some edum'acation kids! Today's word is "Hyperbole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole)."

[Achilles]

Another question will they be getting the core? or full thing? and why only one package??????The reason is because many japanese RPG developers are saying they want everyone to have a hard drive or they can't fill their games with FMV. They're not getting a core system over there for that reason.

Now the price may be lower, but is the bundle the same? And if this gets us 'merican's more Japanese games, who the heck cares? They pay more taxes and games cost more over there anyway so it all evens out. Wanting the 360 to not give incentives to Japanese gamers because it's unfair is a sure fire way to doom Xbox to another 5 years of no Japanese support.

[Heretic Machine]

The reason is because many japanese RPG developers are saying they want everyone to have a hard drive or they can't fill their games with FMV. They're not getting a core system over there for that reason.


...What the frig does a hard-drive inside a console have to do with putting FMV's on a DVD?

[MStiles]

/crybaby[/i]

Crybaby is right. What, you want some chocolate milk now? Jesus.

Look, the prices of consoles are never the same across the major territories and launch. Usually Japan pays more than we do, as does Europe. Are we such self-righteous smacktards that we throw a hissy fit when we're not the absolute lowest? (not the highest either, mind you!)

They *need* to cut Japan a fuckin' break. They need to give the Japanese every possible reason to get a 360, in all aspects of the business, and the launch price and bundle is part of that.

Maybe that means the 360 sells reasonably in Japan, and in turn we in the US and Europe get to play more Japanese developed 360 games. Imagine that!

Microsoft did EXACTLY the right thing.

[Achilles]

...What the frig does a hard-drive inside a console have to do with putting FMV's on a DVD?It's interesting isn't it? Unfortunatly if you don't know I doubt I can say.

[Heretic Machine]

It's interesting isn't it? Unfortunatly if you don't know I doubt I can say.

...Ok, let me explain this to you. Having a hard-drive in a console, no matter how much space it has on it, is not going to magically increase space on your sellable media (the DVD's in this case).

[Bushido]

...Ok, let me explain this to you. Having a hard-drive in a console, no matter how much space it has on it, is not going to magically increase space on your sellable media (the DVD's in this case).

Today's word of the day is Naive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naive)

[doubtingthomas]

It's time for some edum'acation kids! Today's word is "Hyperbole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole)."

Oh, so when you post, people should assume it's bullshit, and you can't communicate well with others?

[Bushido]

Oh, so when you post, people should assume it's bullshit, and you can't communicate well with others?


Perigon
Posts: 2,126

I'd say thats about right.
Look at the mans statistics for christs sake.
Can you say Troll?

[Phades]

Oh, so when you post, people should assume it's bullshit, and you can't communicate well with others?

Judging from his other posts, that seems pretty accurate.

[Tyrant]

Guys, stop ragging on Perigon or he'll respond by calling you names and telling you to go back to GameFAQs.

Hey, could you import a Japanese console and save some dinero?

Considering the cost to ship it and the slight markup by the importer, I'd imagine it would cost substantially more than $400.

It's still NTSC-J, right? Can you still play NTSC games on a Japanese system?

You probably won't be able to play North American games on a Japanese 360 without modding it, as per pretty much any console.

Also, does anyone know what are the MSRPs for 360 games are in Japan?

[Twigz'N'Berries]

Well, I just don't have the finances in order to get an XBox 360 right off the bat, so I'm in a holding pattern regardless, but I'll definitely get one sooner or later. It just pisses me off that the entire realm where they were treated so shabbily is getting the sweet approach, and the places that put the Xbox where it is right now get dick (unless you wanna count ridiculously priced and horribly selected package deals). >=[
This is utter bullsh_t. So by their logic, you give those who crap on you better treatment than those that have stood by your side and supported you. *** sounds suspiciously like the average woman to me.

[civx]

***

$ony







lol

[KamaItachi]

You probably won't be able to play North American games on a Japanese 360 without modding it, as per pretty much any console.

I mentioned before, you could play a sizeable amount of import games on your Xbox without modding, but now MS has confirmed region locking for the 360 I guess there's no way around it. However, the library of games in Asia from Hong Kong and Singapore is actually quite good (compared to Japan) but you're still shooting yourself in the foot to try and save a few bucks. It'll cost you a lot more than $50 to ship an Xbox to America.

Also, does anyone know what are the MSRPs for 360 games are in Japan?

Haven't seen anything concrete yet. Something will probably be announced at the TGS this weekend. However, as it stands, we're already paying about $60-70 per title on the PS2 and Xbox. If dev costs drive up the price of software, who knows what they'll get away with charging.

[Heretic Machine]

Blah, blah, blah Bushido. Why don't you go ahead and explain how hard-drive space will rectify the problem of fitting large amounts of CGI footage on a DVD.

[Scull]

Oh wah-wah! So Japan pays about $350, the US pays $400 and Europe pays $490 USD! Are you really going to bitch that you get the same console for $90 less than Europe? Bitching that Japan gets it for $50 less is impotent, especially when you consider that MS is driving hard for the Japanese market and willing to do just about anything in their power to get that market. I personally like a lot of Japanese games and would love to see MS have some success there to spur development, and if that means they give blowjobs and cheaper consoles to Japanese buyers so be it. I won't be buying a 360 until after their first price drop and second generation of consoles. I own all 3 of this generation and I didn't buy a single one of them at release day prices, and I don't feel that I missed out on a single thing by waiting.

[mister_slim]

Blah, blah, blah Bushido. Why don't you go ahead and explain how hard-drive space will rectify the problem of fitting large amounts of CGI footage on a DVD.
I would also like this explained. Does the 360 hard drive age content like a fine wine?

[Hellstorm]

To rip a little line from a Queensryche song:

"There's a Revolution coming! Revolution coming! A Revolution calling you!"

:D

[Dracula-X]

Exactly. Europe gets the shaft all the time while the US has always gotten the better deal...

[Kelegacy]

I would also like this explained. Does the 360 hard drive age content like a fine wine?

Oh, not you too with the Kutaragi innuendos! I'm thinking that Ken should be flayed for giving this site so many new catch phrases. Argh! my ears!

You probably won't be able to play North American games on a Japanese 360 without modding it, as per pretty much any console.
So NTSC-J games are not the same as NTSC? I know the -J basically answers my question, but what's the difference in the output? The PAL vs NTSC is obvious, but -J?

[Zanzibar]

I would also like this explained. Does the 360 hard drive age content like a fine wine?

I don't agree with it necessarily, but it is conceivable that the media could come on 2 DVDs, and you could load FMV from a 'cutscene disc' onto the HDD all at once, thus after your initial install, you won't have to swap discs anymore.

[KamaItachi]

Oh, not you too with the Kutaragi innuendos! I'm thinking that Ken should be flayed for giving this site so many new catch phrases. Argh! my ears!


So NTSC-J games are not the same as NTSC? I know the -J basically answers my question, but what's the difference in the output? The PAL vs NTSC is obvious, but -J?


I think the J just means that it's region locked for Asia, the signal is the same though.

[Steve_Erhardt]

Oh wah-wah! So Japan pays about $350, the US pays $400 and Europe pays $490 USD! Are you really going to bitch that you get the same console for $90 less than Europe?

Read ALL my posts in this thread.

Bitching that Japan gets it for $50 less is impotent, especially when you consider that MS is driving hard for the Japanese market and willing to do just about anything in their power to get that market. I personally like a lot of Japanese games and would love to see MS have some success there to spur development, and if that means they give blowjobs and cheaper consoles to Japanese buyers so be it.

See above.

Though if the blowjobs are coming from hot Japanese chicks, I'm on board with that.

I won't be buying a 360 until after their first price drop and second generation of consoles. I own all 3 of this generation and I didn't buy a single one of them at release day prices, and I don't feel that I missed out on a single thing by waiting.

I nabbed the Gamecube right off the bat. Waited a while on the XBox. Never did get a PS2. Nothing on there that really does anything for me except for the Gundam games, and those always end up being mediocre or crap anyhow. =(

This is utter bullsh_t. So by their logic, you give those who crap on you better treatment than those that have stood by your side and supported you.

Well bearing in mind that every argument that's been made in this thread explaining the business logic behind it is pretty much 100% correct, yeah, it's still shitty to have been an XBox lover who dumped nutso amounts of $$$ into the system and games the last few years and then get taken for granted for the next gen.

I understand financially and business strategy wise. I really do. But that doesn't make me feel any better about it.

[bapenguin]

Exactly. Europe gets the shaft all the time while the US has always gotten the better deal...

Exactly. This isn't something new...it's just for a change us American's actually aren't paying the cheapest price.

[Kelegacy]

we could always stage a semi-jacking, stealing an entire load of 360's before they hit market. That way, you pay 350 dollars less than the Japanese.

Heh, I said semi, jacking, and load all in the same sentence. That gives me an idea...

*runs off with the Jergens, giggling

[Hellstorm]

These arguements are not going to be even valid soon. For in a scant few hours.... "There's a Revolution coming, Revolution coming!"

[Twigz'N'Berries]

Oh wah-wah! So Japan pays about $350, the US pays $400 and Europe pays $490 USD! Are you really going to bitch that you get the same console for $90 less than Europe? Bitching that Japan gets it for $50 less is impotent, especially when you consider that MS is driving hard for the Japanese market and willing to do just about anything in their power to get that market. I personally like a lot of Japanese games and would love to see MS have some success there to spur development, and if that means they give blowjobs and cheaper consoles to Japanese buyers so be it. I won't be buying a 360 until after their first price drop and second generation of consoles. I own all 3 of this generation and I didn't buy a single one of them at release day prices, and I don't feel that I missed out on a single thing by waiting.
I'd prefer that MS launch in Korea and Europe while giving them the price breaks. If Japan doesn't like us, fine. Korea has some awesome development houses as does Europe. Instead of twisting in knots for the Japanese, exclude those fuckers. Korea tried to support the Xbox and Europe did an awesome job of it. I'd like to see a simultaneous launch in Europe and the US. Hell, include Austrailia in that time frame. Help develop those countries videogame makers. Webzen is cranking out some amazing looking games right now. The more subs we get in other countries, the more irrelevant the dying Japanese market becomes. The developers that are onboard w/the 360 now are fine. Ninety Nine Nights looks good. Enchant Arm, looks strange, but serviceable. If the 360 has enough support and enough systems around the world, I assure you the Japanese will develop for it because they won't want to leave that money on the table or they will commit seppuku for not doing it. Eventually Japan (and the gaming community) will learn that the industry does not rise and set in their asses. The sooner we look at alternatives, the better off the industry will be.
I really wish Americans would reject Japanese games on principle and then see if they changed their tune. As for the price break in Japan, I understand why they did it. However, it is no less a slap in the face. Big business also realizes that if they don't take care of their customers, some other company will. When you leave a customer who has been spending large chunks of money with you dissatisfied, you should worry. Because eventually, they stop spending their money w/you. MS can ill afford to have any type of a backlash from the countries that supported them while chasing a market that will never be theirs...and is becoming less and less relevant as time goes by...
http://www.razoric.com/images/xbox360.jpg
Yeah, they seem to respect the system and appreciate the price breaks...we should sell 200 or so 360s. this go 'round.

Ernhardt, you have made perfect sense and I understand the logic behind it. Most people will never know what the Japanese pay for it and they will gobble up the systems as the trendy Holiday gift. But the hardcore supporters (I have 100+ Xbox games) will not forget this day. I think I'll be picking up a Revolution when it comes out. As pissed as I was, I'm not turning to Sony. Nintendo may make mistakes (plenty), but at least those guys seem to care a little bit more about their fans.