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Dr.Finger
06-08-2008, 10:50 AM
Welcome to Week Twenty-Four of the Official Evil Avatar Comic Book Reviews

Remember, these are NOT spoiler-free reviews.

Evil Avatar’s Weekly Comic Book Reviews – Year 4 – Week 24


Trinity #1
Reviewed By: Michael Chauvet (Doctor Finger)
Publisher: DC Comics
Writers: Kurt Busiek & Fabian Nicieza
Pencillers: Mark Bagley & Scott McDaniel
Inkers: Art Thibert & Andy Owens
Colorists: Pete Pantazis & Allan Passalaqua
Letterer: Pat Brousseau
Editor: Mike Carlin
$2.99

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Boys and Their Games.../In the Morrows to Come

SO DC is launching another monthly book. What could go wrong? After the disaster that was Countdown I can't blame fans for being wary of another weekly book.

The book begins in outer space, where a disembodied cosmic entity cries out for freedom. Back on Earth we meet the stars of our story: Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. They're meeting, in their civilian identities, at the Coffee Pier in Keystone City. Each of the three had experienced an extraordinary dream the night before, but each interprets it differently. Superman, the alien hero, saw it as a cosmic intelligence breaking through space-time. Wonder Woman, the mystic hero, saw it as a chained god striving to break free. Batman, the technological hero, saw it simply as a jailed criminal looking to escape. They've consulted with most of their JLA colleagues, but none of them had the dream. They're meeting in Keystone to try and touch base with the one Leaguer they couldn't reach: the Flash. Flash is busy at the moment, since he and his super-powered kids are trying to stop Clayface from making off with some MacGuffin. They make quick work of them, and Flash joins the Trinity for breakfast in his civilian guise. He also hasn't had any odd dreams, so Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are left wondering why only they got this missive, as a shadowed figure watches from across the pier. Back in their hometowns, and in costume, the heroes are still pondering the dreams when they again hear the voice from the dreams and are attacked. The cockpit of Batman's plane fills with gas. Wonder Woman is attacked from above by energy beams, and Superman has a meteor (or something) streaking through the sky towards him. In the back-up story we meet what appear to be the antagonists of the tale. Morgan Le Fay, from Arthurian legend and foe of Etrigan the Demon, is visited in her hidden castle by a mysterious man from the future named Enigma. They've also had the same dream as the Trinity, but see it more as a path to some unnamed power. They combine their skills - science and magic - to learn that some imbalance surrounds the Trinity, and that they're some sort of Keystones in all of this. They look into the future and see a few interesting things - Green Arrow and Ragman as defenders of Gotham, the Trinity carved into giant statues in space and a tarot reader in LA - that are connected to everything. They also realize that they need a third as well, an alien to balance their mystic and scientific prowess. The third part of their anti-Trinity is one of my all-time favorites: Despero. As they leave Morgane's castle, we're treated to one more image of the future: an energy being (that may resemble Krona from the JLA/Avengers crossover and a JLA story from 2004, both written by Mr. Busiek) crushing the Earth.

Lets start off with the good here. Right from the start you get a sense of the scale and scope of the upcoming story. There are still a lot of mysteries, but between the Dream, the anti-Trinity and the future vision you have a bit to chew on right off the bat. Busiek does a good job laying out the differences between the three stars in simple and straightforward ways, from how they order breakfast to how they interpret the Dream. Bagley isn't the flashiest artist out there, but he does a lot with facial expression and body language and draws some very appealing characters. Nicieza injects a nice bit of humor into the back-up, and the Anti-Trinity seems like they could be good for some laughs down the road in an odd couple sort of way. Now for the bad. The whole scene with the Flash and his kids was kind of pointless. It felt like a cameo for sake of itself. My big worry is that this book is going to fall into the 'cameo of the week' trap, rather than thinking up real story-driven reasons to bring other heroes in. I also would have liked to see a better reason for the two heroes most protective of their secret ID's to be meeting together in public in civvies. There's also the question of tone. I'm a big fan of Busiek and Bagley, but their style is decidedly old-school, and it may not resonate with some fans. I've defended Scott McDaniel's art in the past, but his work here is just not up to snuff. I appreciate unusual or rough styles, but his work in the back-up can only be described as muddy and rushed. Overall it's enough to get me to buy at least the next five weeks, but not enough for me to declare myself completely sold on the book.

Bottom Line:
A solid but unspectacular start.

Rating: Decent, but flip through before buying. (3 out of 5 EvilEyes)
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Ultimate Origins #1 (of 5 )
Reviewed By: Michael Chauvet (Doctor Finger)
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Writer: Brian Michael Bendis
Artist: Butch Guice
Colorist: Justin Ponsor
Letterer: Chris Eliopoulos
Editor: Bill Rosemann
$2.99

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Ever since the start of the Ultimate Universe there have been hints. Teases thrown into the books written by the architects of the Ultimate U: Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Millar that imply that everything is connected. This series is supposed to blow the lid off of that secret, but

The story begins, oddly enough, near the end. After Spider-Man's first confrontation with the Hulk, he's told by Bruce Banner that "it's all connected" before SHIELD takes him into custody. Back in the past we see the ugly beginnings of the American Super-Soldier program. Namely they dressed a normal soldier up in a costume, handed him a flag and sent him to Guadalcanal, where he's promptly killed in action. FDR isn't too happy about this, and tells his people that he wants a real super-soldier. In the European theater, specifically the Allied invasion of Sicily, three soldiers - named Fury, Howlett (aka Logan) and Fisk - are less interested in the war than they are about breaking into a safe. They're stopped by a commanding officer who captures Fury and Howlett but Fisk manages to get away. Fury is taken back to the states and placed into a Tuskegee-like series of experiments, and given super-powers. He escapes from the facility, freeing the other prisoners in the process. Meanwhile, in the great white north, James Howlett is in a familiar looking lab. He escapes from a tube, and is gunned down while escaping the lab. The soldiers think he's dead, but his healing factor kicks in and he survives. Seven years later the head of the facility explains to a superior his amazing discovery - an entirely new mutated genome. In Howlett it expresses itself as a healing factor and enhanced senses, but in other humans it would have different effects. While trying to copy the Captain America project, they've inadvertently discovered a whole new path to the super-soldier - mutants.

For all the build up this book has had, and considering that it's only a five issue series, it certainly doesn't seem like it's in any great hurry to get somewhere. The revelation that Fury, Wolverine and the Kingpin (at least I assume that's the Kingpin and not his father) served together in Europe during WWII is moderately interesting, and showing that Fury had powers at one point has potential, but the whole just falls flat. I guess making Wolverine the first mutant makes some sense, but it's just not that interesting. Nothing was terribly interesting, and none of the revelations were the least bit shocking. The whole book feels like more padding than story, and it does nothing to entice me to buy any further issues of the series.

Bottom Line:
Another slow, meandering start.

Rating: Only if you're a fan of the creators (2 out of 5 EvilEyes)
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Quick Hits
Secret Invasion #3 - The war begins in earnest, some cannon fodder bites the dust, and Skrull Spider-Woman tries some Psi-Ops on Iron Man
Young X-Men #3 - Is there any doubt any more that the Cyclops we see here in this book is a Skrull?

Cupelix
06-08-2008, 11:32 AM
I think you missed the point of Wolverine being the first mutant in the Ultimate Universe. The major twist is that in the Ultimate Universe, mutants were created, rather than being a potential evolution of humanity. It's a pretty fundamental change in the nature of mutants and what it would mean to be one.

H1PO
06-08-2008, 11:57 AM
I thought Secret Invasion 3 was pretty awesome. The end was just so tight. Nick Fury + huge gun = great success.

Sazime
06-08-2008, 12:14 PM
I think you missed the point of Wolverine being the first mutant in the Ultimate Universe. The major twist is that in the Ultimate Universe, mutants were created, rather than being a potential evolution of humanity. It's a pretty fundamental change in the nature of mutants and what it would mean to be one.
I like that idea. When I first read the preview (in the back of SI, I think) I thought it meant he was also responsible for Cap, which would bother me. Otherwise, yeah, pretty interesting.

Did you know there was an old Marvel handbook that had a quote from Xavier saying Cap was a "closet mutant" and the only reason the serum worked on him was because he already had some latent abilities? Yeah, at one point everyone in the Marvel U might as well have been mutated. Hell, the Avengers were hating in some Claremont and Byrne books because thay had powers. It was the only time the people of the Marvel U made any sense to me.

Anyone else pick up Haunt of Horror? Part of me is annoyed that I didn't get 24 pages of art, but another part of me loves that they printed each Lovecraft poem/story after the comic that was based on it. Hell, even the Evil Dead comic was pretty great, even though it pretty much just recreated the movie in comic form. But Buffy? Man, anyone else feel like the plot in the series is falling a little flat? I like aspects of it, but I don't feel like it's nearly as strong in storyline as the series was at all.

Pigeon
06-08-2008, 12:27 PM
But Buffy? Man, anyone else feel like the plot in the series is falling a little flat? I like aspects of it, but I don't feel like it's nearly as strong in storyline as the series was at all.

Overall I'm still happy with it, especially the interactions with Dracula and what's coming with Willow. But Mecha-Dawn? WTF?

JazGalaxy
06-08-2008, 12:31 PM
I like that idea. When I first read the preview (in the back of SI, I think) I thought it meant he was also responsible for Cap, which would bother me. Otherwise, yeah, pretty interesting.

Did you know there was an old Marvel handbook that had a quote from Xavier saying Cap was a "closet mutant" and the only reason the serum worked on him was because he already had some latent abilities? Yeah, at one point everyone in the Marvel U might as well have been mutated. Hell, the Avengers were hating in some Claremont and Byrne books because thay had powers. It was the only time the people of the Marvel U made any sense to me.

Anyone else pick up Haunt of Horror? Part of me is annoyed that I didn't get 24 pages of art, but another part of me loves that they printed each Lovecraft poem/story after the comic that was based on it. Hell, even the Evil Dead comic was pretty great, even though it pretty much just recreated the movie in comic form. But Buffy? Man, anyone else feel like the plot in the series is falling a little flat? I like aspects of it, but I don't feel like it's nearly as strong in storyline as the series was at all.


I think the Giant Elephant in the room of Marvel books has always been that it doesn't make any sense that someone could be genetically altered from birth and hated (Xmen) and genetically altered after birth and be revered. (Fantastic 4 and Avengers)

I think it's good that they seem to be looking at that. At least in some manner.

Dr.Finger
06-08-2008, 12:40 PM
I think the Giant Elephant in the room of Marvel books has always been that it doesn't make any sense that someone could be genetically altered from birth and hated (Xmen) and genetically altered after birth and be revered. (Fantastic 4 and Avengers)

I think it's good that they seem to be looking at that. At least in some manner.I always liked that in a sort of meta way. Why are, say blacks and jews hated in our world but not, say the Welsh? I know there's some illogic in the argument, but I always thought it was a neat difference.

Sazime
06-08-2008, 12:50 PM
Overall I'm still happy with it, especially the interactions with Dracula and what's coming with Willow. But Mecha-Dawn? WTF?
Yeah. That and the deus ex machina to weaken the vampires didn't sit with me very well. I mean, I'm all about a good deus ex machina, but this one seemed too quick and kinda forced.

Khash
06-08-2008, 01:54 PM
Other than USM, I'm pretty much done with the Ultimate Universe. The direction that 616 has taken since Disassembled (disillusionment, moral ambiguity, cynicism, etc.) is far more interest than whatever the hell Loeb is doing with Ultimates. And infinitely more interesting than DC's... uhh, what is DC doing exactly? I know some will disagree but that's my personal taste and no amount of /facepalming is gonna change that.

Sandman
06-08-2008, 02:03 PM
I for one enjoyed the start of Trinity. Keep in mind this is a 52 issue arc so they can't give alot in the first issue although it does appear that it has more focus than Countdown ever did. I can't wait to see where it all goes and how it blends with Final Crisis and RIP.

Dr.Finger
06-08-2008, 02:14 PM
I for one enjoyed the start of Trinity. Keep in mind this is a 52 issue arc so they can't give alot in the first issue although it does appear that it has more focus than Countdown ever did. I can't wait to see where it all goes and how it blends with Final Crisis and RIP.I enjoyed it, I just wasn't blown away by it. And I doubt greatly that Trinity will deal with either Final Crisis or RIP. And I'm fine with that; when DC tries to tie everything together they trip over their own feet. All I want is a good story, I don't need it to tie into every other book.

Sandman
06-08-2008, 02:17 PM
I enjoyed it, I just wasn't blown away by it. And I doubt greatly that Trinity will deal with either Final Crisis or RIP. And I'm fine with that; when DC tries to tie everything together they trip over their own feet. All I want is a good story, I don't need it to tie into every other book.

How could they replace Bruce Wayne as Batman in the main books (if that is where RIP is leading) and still have Bruce still there in their big weekly books?

Dr.Finger
06-08-2008, 02:45 PM
How could they replace Bruce Wayne as Batman in the main books (if that is where RIP is leading) and still have Bruce still there in their big weekly books?Trinity -> Final Crisis -> RIP. In fact from interviews I've read DC has pretty much admitted that this is the order in which the stories are occurring. Now keep in mind that no one is saying that Trinity is happening in real time. The entire Trinity story may only take a few days to play out in character time, even if it takes a year for us to read.

Sandman
06-08-2008, 03:17 PM
Trinity -> Final Crisis -> RIP. In fact from interviews I've read DC has pretty much admitted that this is the order in which the stories are occurring. Now keep in mind that no one is saying that Trinity is happening in real time. The entire Trinity story may only take a few days to play out in character time, even if it takes a year for us to read.

That makes sense....almost.

Dr.Finger
06-08-2008, 03:38 PM
That's the perils of a shared universe, especially when you have characters like Batman and Superman appearing in 6-9 in continuity stories each and every month. You'll either never get everything jibed together, or you'll strangle the writers trying to keep up with every other writer.

Sandman
06-08-2008, 03:40 PM
I would think a better order would be Trinity > R.I.P. > Final Crisis. Seems like it would make more sense that way.

Dr.Finger
06-08-2008, 03:43 PM
Except you still have Bruce-as-Batman in Final Crisis, and that spoils the end of RIP.

Sazime
06-08-2008, 04:00 PM
What they need to do is keep their main titles in a continuity line. They've got a dozen books that are out of continuity for the purpose of telling "past" stories. What they're doing now has got to be causing editorial headaches, because now anything that happens in Trinity can have no real lasting effect because all the other title character books (Action, Detective, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, etc, etc) are taking place far in the future. Now, especially with the "Flash Kids," you have an event which took place after a Flash book 2 months ago, but before the Flash book out this month.

I'm just waiting for the DCU to completely implode and editorial to lose what is left of their sanity.

Zabyx
06-08-2008, 04:57 PM
I'm just waiting for the DCU to completely implode and editorial to lose what is left of their sanity.

Working at DC would probably be hell on Earth.

MosBen
06-08-2008, 05:16 PM
Actually, I think the dichotomy between mutants and heroes who achieved their powers through some kind of accident or scientific process makes tons of sense. Cap and the FF got their powers through acts of great bravery. Their powers are an extension of their brave acts and their bravery was established before they got their powers. Mutants, on the other hand, are outsiders from birth; as separate as gays and racial minorities. Mutants group together, are sometimes grotesque, and some even act in concert against normal people. Also, there's the fact that your average joe could arguably get a chance to be a Cap or a Johnny Storm if an accident happened to them as opposed to mutants who will always be "other" to normal people.

Sazime
06-08-2008, 05:44 PM
Actually, I think the dichotomy between mutants and heroes who achieved their powers through some kind of accident or scientific process makes tons of sense. Cap and the FF got their powers through acts of great bravery. Their powers are an extension of their brave acts and their bravery was established before they got their powers. Mutants, on the other hand, are outsiders from birth; as separate as gays and racial minorities. Mutants group together, are sometimes grotesque, and some even act in concert against normal people. Also, there's the fact that your average joe could arguably get a chance to be a Cap or a Johnny Storm if an accident happened to them as opposed to mutants who will always be "other" to normal people.
But most mutants look like normal people in the Marvel U, so people treating them differently in that U makes no sense, for the most part.

Now, Mutants v. Morlocks, yeah. Big difference.

Texas Speed
06-08-2008, 05:57 PM
Well, part of the hate towards mutants was fear. No one in the Marvel U that has super powers might use them for personal gain, and they are they're hated, too (like villains). Also, the fear that when they discover these powers they won't know how to control them, and that extends to others as well, like Hulk. Lastly, except for the X-Men, mutants are heroes, just "normal" people with special powers, and that's is more intimidating then a super hero in a uniform.

But that's just me rambling. :)

dunefish
06-08-2008, 06:12 PM
Other than USM, I'm pretty much done with the Ultimate Universe. The direction that 616 has taken since Disassembled (disillusionment, moral ambiguity, cynicism, etc.) is far more interest than whatever the hell Loeb is doing with Ultimates. Yes. Agreed. Exactly. The darkness at Marvel is different than the '90s "badass and dark because I'm badass and dark" style. It comes from real places evolved in multiple events that stand alone, but maintain a cohesive universe. The best part of the cynicism is when the true, moral hero shows up with his super-powered commandos and a lot of guns, you know a bunch of people are gonna get what's coming to them.

And infinitely more interest than DC's... uhh, what is DC doing exactly? I know some will disagree but that's my personal taste and no amount of /facepalming is gonna change that.Lanterns, my friend. Look to the Corps.

As for Trinity, I really enjoyed both parts. Having only seen Bagley on USM and his short arc on Mighty Avengers, it's nice to see him draw some DC characters, all of them ably. Though Batman's cowl bugs the crap out of me.

I just re-read the Seven Soldiers Mr Miracle and Final Crisis #1 after listening to Comic Geek Speak's review of FC. It's moved from incoherent and disjointed to merely confusing and boring, which is a step up I suppose. As a jumping on point though, not on your life. All those Entertainment Weekly (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20198161,00.html) people are going to be mighty lost.

MosBen
06-08-2008, 06:18 PM
But I think looking different is only part of it. Ben Grim certainly looks different and he's definitely had some issues with the public and his looks, but overall he's pretty beloved. It's that mutants aren't heroes, they're freaks of nature. Tony Stark builds armor to protect people and the FF are as much victims of the event that granted them their powers as they are heroes for going into space in the first place. Mutants didn't do anything heroic to get their powers, they were simply born. You know Cap's a hero because he sought out his powers to fight Nazis. Also, he's unique. It's easier to accept Cap because there's not a potential army of Caps that might decide to kill all the normal folks.

Deadend
06-08-2008, 06:18 PM
On the mutant thing, there was also the latent fear that mutants are the future and going to replace mankind.

Goddamn I wish Grant Morrison could go back to writing X-men, he managed to make it all make so much more sense and made the stories themed around evolution, futurism, freaks and rising up to challenges. It was some of his best stuff. I also think he is at his best when he is told that he has to keep the stories slightly grounded.

The Ultimate Origin thing has me intrigued, and I like that all the heroes (aside from Thor) come about as attempts by governments to create a better way to kill. I think even the Fantastic Four and the Baxter Building project were a way to have better killing potential. Iron Man in his comics was already shown to have roots in super-soldier. But coming out and having mutants be related to it? Hot Damn, that is a huge change.

Sazime
06-08-2008, 06:19 PM
Lastly, except for the X-Men, mutants are heroes, just "normal" people with special powers, and that's is more intimidating then a super hero in a uniform.

But that's just me rambling. :)
Well, I just hate the people inhabiting the Marvel U anyway, which is why I think, post CW, they can all die in a Galacticus driven fire. :)

Really, I think the people in the Marvel U deserve ever single super villain ass raping they get for criminalizing the people who saved their cities/countries/world over and over again.

Spigot
06-08-2008, 06:19 PM
Doc Doc Doc Doc...

You really need to fix your spell-checker/whatever the hell you use to compose these things.

SO DC is launching another monthly book. What could go wrong? The fact that it's a weekly book :)

Ever since the start of the Ultimate Universe there have been hints. Teases thrown into the books written by the architects of the Ultimate U: Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Millar that imply that everything is connected. This series is supposed to blow the lid off of that secret, butBut... But what?!

Otherwise, good reviews. I totally missed the fact that Fisk was one of the soldiers serving with Howlett and Fury. Interesting...

Origins laid some interesting groundwork but was a little too scattered for me. Hopefully the other books will start to gather the threads together a little more so that I won't be as rattled after bouncing from storyline to storyline. And I'm with Cupelix. The fact that the mutant gene isn't natural but manmade was the shocker here, not the fact that Wolvie was the first mutie.

Part of me wishes I'd been able to get my hands on a copy of Trinity (for some reason it wasn't on my list... odd) but neither store had any left when I got my comics this week. That said, I was burned with Countdown and I figure that since I didn't manage to get my hands on the first issue of Trinity, I'll just wait, see if it pans out well and then I'll track down the trades next year.

Speaking of which, how long is Trinity? One of the owners at one of the shops said it was only going to be a 12 week series but I was under the assumption that it was going for a year. I'm so confused!

By the way, I just wanted to say that I am someone who usually dumps on DC for being far too confusing and unfriendly for readers who don't have a PhD in DCology. I just read the HC of The Brave & The Bold's first 6 issues (The Lords Of Luck) and THAT, my friends, is how you should do a sprawling storyline involving piles of different characters and elements of the DCU. It was a good story, it had hints of nostalgia but it wasn't weighed down by it and the characters were depicted amazingly. If Waid wrote more of the giant DC events, I think I'd probably enjoy the DCU a lot more than I do. Hell, make him the king of DC Editorial!

Deadend
06-08-2008, 06:27 PM
Ha, I checked out that link to the EW story... and John Stewart works in the Renaissance Center? So that implies he is working for General Motors. Odd, I thought he was an architect, not a car designer.

Khash
06-08-2008, 06:53 PM
It's not exactly like people don't fear the non-mutant heroes. The Super Human Registration Act was born from fear of all super humans. And in many cases their fear is justified.

Savok
06-08-2008, 06:56 PM
I always liked that in a sort of meta way. Why are, say blacks and jews hated in our world but not, say the Welsh? I know there's some illogic in the argument, but I always thought it was a neat difference.
Only after people meet Welshmen do they hate them :p

Mutants are hated in the MU because people in the MU are total fucking dicks. It's been shown again and again, they are the most ungrateful pack of shits to ever grace fiction.

We just had Civil War, where the public turned on EVERYONE as well don't forget.

Yeah. That and the deus ex machina to weaken the vampires didn't sit with me very well. I mean, I'm all about a good deus ex machina, but this one seemed too quick and kinda forced.
Yeah but it still made some sense, they used the vampire's tools against them.

Beyond that it was an issue made entirely up of comic crack, which is something I'll always support. Mind you, they kind of dicked over Dracula, he makes a huge sacrifice and they don't even say thanks.

Trinity was a lot better then I expected, mind if you Enigma is who they're hinting at I'll be super pissed.

Khash
06-08-2008, 07:05 PM
I know some people are raging on the MU "people" because they're a bunch of ungrateful assholes. And it's true. They are. Isn't that simply an exaggeration of how humans are in real life? We're all a bunch of selfish jerks who like to see our "betters" crumble and fall. Sure, when we're alone we're rational people. But as a "Mod" we're all a bunch of angry children who sit around screaming, "Yea, but what have you done for me lately!?!"

But the heroes don't care. They keep on fighting. They keep saving this planet of warring, killing, angry children because for all their faults it's still worth saving.

Savok
06-08-2008, 07:14 PM
I know some people are raging on the MU "people" because they're a bunch of ungrateful assholes. And it's true. They are. Isn't that simply an exaggeration of how humans are in real life? We're all a bunch of selfish jerks who like to see our "betters" crumble and fall. Sure, when we're alone we're rational people. But as a "Mod" we're all a bunch of angry children who sit around screaming, "Yea, but what have you done for me lately!?!"

But the heroes don't care. They keep on fighting. They keep saving this planet of warring, killing, angry children because for all their faults it's still worth saving.
No they aren't (http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg176/DoopPhotobucket7/machineman/16.jpg).

Khash
06-08-2008, 07:18 PM
No they aren't (http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg176/DoopPhotobucket7/machineman/16.jpg).
Hmm... Maybe the Skrulls aren't such bad guys after all. And those are two of my favorite characters, too.

Savok
06-08-2008, 07:42 PM
At this point I'm actually rooting for the Skrulls. Few places deserve to have their shit ruined more then MU Earth

TrackZero
06-09-2008, 05:21 AM
Even worse than Ultimate Origins, where the fuck is Ultimate Hulk vs Wolverine #3? How many years has it been now?

Spigot
06-09-2008, 05:28 AM
Even worse than Ultimate Origins, where the fuck is Ultimate Hulk vs Wolverine #3? How many years has it been now?Maybe Ultimatum is actually the finale of the UHvsW series. It's such an awesome fight that it breaks the Ultimate universe in half.

Ghostbear
06-09-2008, 08:06 AM
I agree completely with your Trinity Review. Is was enjoyable, but there are some obvious flaws, especially the art in the backup, blecchh.

Dr.Finger
06-09-2008, 08:18 AM
Even worse than Ultimate Origins, where the fuck is Ultimate Hulk vs Wolverine #3? How many years has it been now?Come on, how can you still be waiting for this? Face it, it's never coming out. If Damon Lindelof couldn't find time to write it during the WGA strike, he'll never find time to write it. Personally I now consider the release of UHvW #5 to be a prime sign that Armageddon is nigh.

Deadend
06-09-2008, 08:42 AM
Come on, how can you still be waiting for this? Face it, it's never coming out. If Damon Lindelof couldn't find time to write it during the WGA strike, he'll never find time to write it. Personally I now consider the release of UHvW #5 to be a prime sign that Armageddon is nigh.

At this rate, they could get Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely to do it and it will be done sooner than Damon Lindelof. And yes, I know Morrison is DC exclusive for the next god-knows-how-many years.

They will release the theatrical version staring Hugh Jackman and Edward Norton before issue 3 is out!

Khash
06-09-2008, 09:17 AM
Doesn't help that Leinil Yu is busy with Secret Invasion.

Ghostbear
06-09-2008, 09:21 AM
Yu was never the issue with that book.

Dr.Finger
06-09-2008, 09:24 AM
But it does mean that even if Lindelof finished the scripts today we still wouldn't see another issue until 2009 at the absolute earliest.