No More Patches For Crysis

[Telefrog]

The Crysis Monthly Update #1 has been posted (http://crymod.com/thread.php?threadid=28968&sid=a454298e470b03cffe898368cd7c2619) with some gloomy news for fans of Crytek's high performance shooter. Along with the news that the company plans to stop developing PC exclusive titles, comes the revelation that the Linux server version of Crysis has been put on indefinite hold and that the long-awaited patch 1.3 has been nixed.


At this time, there almost certainly will not be a patch 1.3 delivered for Crysis. We are aware that this news will disappoint many of you, and we would like to apologize profusely. There is a good reason for this and we hope you understand when you hear more about the reasons why in the very, very near future. Please realize this was an extremely difficult decision, but please do know that we are listening to your comments and are making more consistent community support a high priority.

So, is this not a result of poor overall sales, or did I miss something?

[MasterEvilAce]

Sounds like either really, really poor sales, or maybe an expansion which plans to fix & completely revamp everything? I don't know.

[MasterEvilAce]

Or, more likely, they were bought out by EA! o_O

PS: No editing posts? Eh?

[Telefrog]

Sounds like either really, really poor sales, or maybe an expansion which plans to fix & completely revamp everything? I don't know.

Either way it tells me that sales, regardless of the million+ number in the EU, weren't enough to cover the cost to support the base game anymore.

[Gedd]

CryMore, CryTek. Take your code and go home.

ps, noone wants your stuff.

:D

[Talon-]

It's curious to me that Crytek defended the high reqs of the game by saying they planned on the game having long legs and selling over a duration of time, yet we see now that poor initial sales is what has crippled them, so to speak.

So which way is it, Crytek?

[Mr.Green]

Either way it tells me that sales, regardless of the million+ number in the EU, weren't enough to cover the cost to support the base game anymore.

Something simply doesn't add up with that million. Was EA's word the only source we had for these sales?

[Hiro Nogano]

They had tremendous sales from what I heard on the PC Gamer podcast and read on many websites. They are just butt-hurt that they have been pirated so much. And while I agree that the piracy thing sucks, that's no excuse for screwing over your paying customers.

I had intended to pick this game up once the price dropped more, but now I'll just find another game. Too bad.

And while I'm ranting about piracy, wasn't there just some big announcement that the majority of games/software sold on e-bay was counterfeit? Didn't that include console games as well? I remember a few years ago I had friends in the military who would regularly see "retail" copies of games (PC and console) that had not been released yet on the streets in most of Asia.

[fitbabits]

I don't believe this has anything to do with sales. There's something larger at play here.

[mkelehan]

I don't believe this has anything to do with sales. There's something larger at play here.

Exactly. Methinks they now have an exclusive contract (at least) with another publisher.

[xoanon]

"As we cease support for the Crysis community, please know that we are making more consistent community support a high priority."

[Kryopsis]

CryMore, CryTek. Take your code and go home.

ps, noone wants your stuff.

:D

You can stop typing now.

I had intended to pick this game up once the price dropped more, but now I'll just find another game. Too bad.

Pray tell me how this affects your purchase? The game wasn't exactly infested with bugs prior to 1.3. Yeah, too bad. Too bad for you.

[Abash Alarmist]

I seriously doubt it was done because of sales. My bet is that CryTek (or whatever the company name is) is being shut-down.

[digitalErich]

I don't believe this has anything to do with sales. There's something larger at play here.
I agree. My guess is that they are abandoning the current code line completely and rewriting Crytek or the next Crytek engine from the ground up to be more platform independent, i.e. more console friendly.

With the amount of money and effort they put into the latest CryTek engine, you have to think someone is giving them a very large money hat...the Crysis engine is still relatively young to be completely nixed.

[BabyJesus]

Boo, really, boo.

[Zander]

Strange, I eagerly await the reasoning behind this.

[Zanzibar]

Well, the sales were crappy* for one of the highest-rated PC games of the year.

There's a really crazy balancing act: in order to garner PC gamers' attention, you need ridiculous graphical prowess. The ridiculously high specs required to run said graphical prowess limits your potential userbase.

PC Gaming is dead.

*Sorry, should say 'comparatively' crappy, compared to Halo 3 and GTA4 and CoD4 etc.

[pheriannath]

I don't see how a buy-out would cause them to cease product support... I've got a bad feeling about this one.

[fitbabits]

How much did EA give them in advance for making Crysis?

How much has Crysis made in return?

If the latter is appreciably less than the former, then this news doesn't bode well at all.

[Ludoc]

All they said is there will be no 1.3 patch. Perhaps they are announcing an expansion, and trying to sneak in a patch you pay for.

[Jambe]

Agree with fitabits...

I can't imagine them dropping this completely, because as others have said, they'd need a hell of a lot of cash thrown at them before they'd stomach letting go of such a big project.

What would the other incentives be? Some have suggested a few: relations with other publishers, internal squabbles, insurmountable complexity in the project? Some combination thereof?

Was this surprising to you guys? I was surprisedm, but then again, I haven't been following the community (official or otherwise) since the release of the game, so I'm in the dark there. Maybe this was inevitable?

[Hiro Nogano]

Pray tell me how this affects your purchase? The game wasn't exactly infested with bugs prior to 1.3. Yeah, too bad. Too bad for you.

Because I won't support them if they won't support their own user base. I'm sorry if that was unclear.

[Goronmon]

Well, the sales were crappy* for one of the highest-rated PC games of the year.I've read numbers from 1 million to 3 million units worldwide. Even "relatively crappy" is a silly way to describe these kind of sales for a PC game. If the number is 3 million, that makes it one of of the better selling PC games of all time.

[H.Bogard]

They're making an expansion. Hello retarded spin on the words?

[The Continental]

They're making an expansion. Hello retarded spin on the words?I'd put money on it. They'll make an expansion then bundle the two of em together for the inevitable console port, ala F.E.A.R.

[H.Bogard]

Here we go :

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=144001

Crytek has told its fans there will be no more patches for Crysis because it has its hands full making something that "will be appreciated by the community".

Word appeared in the first official monthly update, where the developer said sorry and promised more information on its secretive project "very, very soon".

"At this time, there almost certainly will not be a patch 1.3 delivered for Crysis. We are aware that this news will disappoint many of you, and we would like to apologize profusely," said Crytek.

"There is a good reason for this and we hope you understand when you hear more about the reasons why in the very, very near future. Please realize this was an extremely difficult decision, but please do know that we are listening to your comments and are making more consistent community support a high priority.

"We are confident that the things we are working on will be appreciated by the community, and we hope for your continued support."

Nice try with the sensational bullshit, though, but in the end... you fail.

[Abash Alarmist]

Here we go :

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=144001



Nice try with the sensational bullshit, though, but in the end... you fail.

Uh...The OP posted the same thing...How was it sensational bullshit? The low-sales? Nothing in what you said is contrary to that and your assumption that it is an expansion pack? Pfft.

[H.Bogard]

Uh...The OP posted the same thing...How was it sensational bullshit? The low-sales? Nothing in what you said is contrary to that and your assumption that it is an expansion pack? Pfft.

Its not my assumption. And yes, I meant the low-sales point and twisting the words to make it sound as if they're abandoning the game or something.

[The Continental]

Uh...The OP posted the same thing...How was it sensational bullshit? The low-sales? Nothing in what you said is contrary to that and your assumption that it is an expansion pack? Pfft.Not to rag on Telefrog, but the OP says nothing of the sort. It heavily implies that the lack of a 1.3 patch is the equivalent of abandoning the title as far as further PC development goes.

[Abash Alarmist]

Its not my assumption. And yes, I meant the low-sales point and twisting the words to make it sound as if they're abandoning the game or something.

The assumption of them abandoning the game is equal to your assumption that they are making an expansion. You both are grasping at straws. I just don't get how you attack Telefrog with his strawman theory and throw yours up there as well.

I'll take a guess and figure that you own EA stock.

[H.Bogard]

The assumption of them abandoning the game is equal to your assumption that they are making an expansion. You both are grasping at straws. I just don't get how you attack Telefrog with his strawman theory and throw yours up there as well.

I'll take a guess and figure that you own EA stock.

I'll take a guess and you own bullshit news-spin stock.

Yes, as pointless a statement as your's towards me.

The developers registered numerous trademarks with the Crysis name in it, so its impossible that they'll be abandoning the game just like that. The OP makes it sounds as if though they are due to some 'abysmal sales' scenario which, might I remind you, has been posted on this very website that the game sold in millions... is automatically disparaged. So I'm just calling for the bullshit where I see it, added to the fact that I'm pissed off by constant power outages right now.

[grognard66]

Crytek is a case study in poor game design and a poster child for everything that's wrong with PC gaming today. It's a problem when the pc gets a major release that only runs marginally well on a tiny portion of the market's computers. The developers made the same mistake so many other pc developers have made of ramping up the graphics arms race until they ended up with a game that would only run as intended on computers that have to be created. Game Design 101 - make a game that people can actually play.

I picked up the game for $20 at Circuit City last week and even after patching have to run at 600X800 with all the settings on low to get a steady frame rate. Unfortunately, at those settings the game looks worse than an average PS2 game. I don't have a hardcore rig, but a $1,400 PC bought in December should have been able to run this game with it looking decent.

[grognard66]

Oops - I meant Crysis (the game) in the post above, not the developer name - Crytek.

[Telefrog]

Personally, I don't care how you spin it. This isn't good news for the Crysis "community". (I use that word loosely considering how relatively dead the MP servers for this game are compared to other games released at the same time.)

Maybe it is related to some cool expansion, maybe sales were great and Crytek is rolling in money. Whatever the background, the fact is that a promised patch is now no longer coming. A promised linux server executable is being dropped. A formal shift to console development has been announced. None of that sounds especially encouraging.

If Crytek had super-awesome news regarding Crysis that they can't disclose at this point, I seriously doubt that they would just drop software support for their game. I've never, ever heard of a company abandoning the vanilla game for the expansion and not "patching" up to make at least the bug fixes compatible. Perhaps the rest of you are in favor of paying for patches through expansions. I'm not in that crowd.

[OrangePulp]

Crytek is a case study in poor game design and a poster child for everything that's wrong with PC gaming today. It's a problem when the pc gets a major release that only runs marginally well on a tiny portion of the market's computers. The developers made the same mistake so many other pc developers have made of ramping up the graphics arms race until they ended up with a game that would only run as intended on computers that have to be created. Game Design 101 - make a game that people can actually play.

I picked up the game for $20 at Circuit City last week and even after patching have to run at 600X800 with all the settings on low to get a steady frame rate. Unfortunately, at those settings the game looks worse than an average PS2 game. I don't have a hardcore rig, but a $1,400 PC bought in December should have been able to run this game with it looking decent.

If you spent 1400 on a pc just last december and you can't run crysis at medium to high settings, you fail at buying computers. My brother built his latest last... October? Whenever the 8800GT came out. He spent less than 1000 and can run the game (the demo, anyways) at high without problems.

I don't disagree with you that targeting a game towards the upper end of the market is somewhat of a bad idea, but your anecdote doesn't help your case, as that's your fault rather than the game's.

[Kryopsis]

I can run this game on Medium settings on a 1100$ laptop but that's beside the point. The point is that Crysis is a great game, the only next-gen shooter on PC at the moment. If the game play doesn't appeal to you, I am certain being able to run the game at super-triple-uber-max settings won't change a thing. You will still be disappointed.
It is a shame that the game had bad sales because it deserves more. It seems that bashing Crysis is the popular thing now, sadly.

[H.Bogard]

I picked up the game for $20 at Circuit City last week and even after patching have to run at 600X800 with all the settings on low to get a steady frame rate. Unfortunately, at those settings the game looks worse than an average PS2 game. I don't have a hardcore rig, but a $1,400 PC bought in December should have been able to run this game with it looking decent.

What's your rig?

[H.Bogard]

Personally, I don't care how you spin it. This isn't good news for the Crysis "community". (I use that word loosely considering how relatively dead the MP servers for this game are compared to other games released at the same time.)

Maybe it is related to some cool expansion, maybe sales were great and Crytek is rolling in money. Whatever the background, the fact is that a promised patch is now no longer coming. A promised linux server executable is being dropped. A formal shift to console development has been announced. None of that sounds especially encouraging.

If Crytek had super-awesome news regarding Crysis that they can't disclose at this point, I seriously doubt that they would just drop software support for their game. I've never, ever heard of a company abandoning the vanilla game for the expansion and not "patching" up to make at least the bug fixes compatible. Perhaps the rest of you are in favor of paying for patches through expansions. I'm not in that crowd.

They have already released two patches that fixed a number of issues in the game as well as optimizations. The game, as it stands now is quite well and there aren't any major issues in the SP that I know of which need addressing. I don't know where the heck you pulled your 'vanilla' from... they've already released numerous updates to the game plus an SDK.

A company doesn't need to forcibly churn out patches every month to be labelled as 'supporting' its product.

[Telefrog]

The point is that Crysis is a great game, the only next-gen shooter on PC at the moment.

Call of Duty 4 and Team Fortress 2 laugh all the way to the bank.

[Telefrog]

They have already released two patches that fixed a number of issues in the game as well as optimizations. The game, as it stands now is quite well and there aren't any major issues in the SP that I know of which need addressing. I don't know where the heck you pulled your 'vanilla' from... they've already released numerous updates to the game plus an SDK.

A company doesn't need to forcibly churn out patches every month to be labelled as 'supporting' its product.

The vanilla game, IE without expansions. ;)

And the SP game was always pretty stable wasn't it? The issue here is the MP game. Read the whole thread I linked to in the OP. The Crysis players detail the technical problems with the MP game right in that forum. They are quite numerous.

Look, I get that at a certain point, all companies have to cut off software support on their games. (Well, unless you're Blizzard, but they have unlimited funds.) This game is less than seven months old. That's a bit early to say you're moving on if it's your game.

In fact, I can't think of any other AAA release that got dropped that quickly.

Edit: Here. Let me make it easy for you and link directly to the outstanding issues thread (http://crymod.com/thread.php?threadid=15318). Have fun.

[Kryopsis]

Call of Duty 4 and Team Fortress 2 laugh all the way to the bank.

Oh? What's next-gen about Call of Duty 4 and Team Fortress 2?
Call of Duty 4 is a rehash of Call of Duty 1, 2 and 3 with a new setting an a new graphical engine. The game offers absolutely nothing that wasn't seen before.

Team Fortress 2, as much as I love it, is almost a carbon copy of Team Fortress Classic with a new visual style. Hell, Dystopia, another Half-Life 2 mod, is far more next-gen.

[Abash Alarmist]

The vanilla game, IE without expansions. ;)

And the SP game was always pretty stable wasn't it? The issue here is the MP game. Read the whole thread I linked to in the OP. The Crysis players detail the technical problems with the MP game right in that forum. They are quite numerous.

Look, I get that at a certain point, all companies have to cut off software support on their games. (Well, unless you're Blizzard, but they have unlimited funds.) This game is less than seven months old. That's a bit early to say you're moving on if it's your game.

In fact, I can't think of any other AAA release that got dropped that quickly.

Edit: Here. Let me make it easy for you and link directly to the outstanding issues thread (http://crymod.com/thread.php?threadid=15318). Have fun.

Well, to be honest, I can't think of any AAA release that got dropped that early...Yes, Crysis is not a AAA game.

[Deadend]

There are no more patches because Crysis is PERFECT AND 100% BUG FREE!

duuuuh.

[grognard66]

What's your rig?
Intel quad-core Q6600 2.4
3 Gig RAM
Geforce 8500GT (latest drivers)

I disable all virus programs, background routines, etc. Games like The Witcher, Universe at War, Enemy Territory Quake Wars and STALKER all run fine at high resolutions with most options cranked up.

Yeah, the graphics card isn't the greatest but it was released in the last year and is DirectX10. Games shouldn't be released that require the purchase of a $400-500 graphics card each and every year...

[grognard66]

If you spent 1400 on a pc just last december and you can't run crysis at medium to high settings, you fail at buying computers. My brother built his latest last... October? Whenever the 8800GT came out. He spent less than 1000 and can run the game (the demo, anyways) at high without problems.

I don't disagree with you that targeting a game towards the upper end of the market is somewhat of a bad idea, but your anecdote doesn't help your case, as that's your fault rather than the game's.

Typical PC Gamer deflection. When I buy a game for 360/PS3 it runs at a tolerable frame rate every time. If Crysis can't run on ANY PC costing over $1,000 released in the last year the developer is a failure - not the consumer. My rig far exceeds the system specs called out on the game box so how can it be my fault when the game doesn't run? I bought an HP - no it's not a boutique gamers rig, but it is one of the largest pc manufacturers in the world sold at all the stores Crytek's consumers would buy their game at so if it doesn't run that's a problem with the developer. Consumers shouldn't be expected to build a custom rig to play one game.

You can keep blaming consumers for the fact that pc gaming is no longer viable outside of MMORPG's, RTS, web games and The Sims but maybe it's developers like Crytek and people with your attitude that actually killed it.

[Wyrm]

I can run this game on Medium settings on a 1100$ laptop but that's beside the point. The point is that Crysis is a great game, the only next-gen shooter on PC at the moment. If the game play doesn't appeal to you, I am certain being able to run the game at super-triple-uber-max settings won't change a thing. You will still be disappointed.
It is a shame that the game had bad sales because it deserves more. It seems that bashing Crysis is the popular thing now, sadly.

We couldn't possibly be bashing it because it's a shitty game, now could we?

What makes it next gen? The graphics? Because if you're thinking it's the gameplay or the story, you'd be sorely mistaken. Yes, we get it, it's pretty. Now can we make a game that looks good AND isn't the opposite of fun to actually play?

[Telefrog]

Oh? What's next-gen about Call of Duty 4 and Team Fortress 2?
Call of Duty 4 is a rehash of Call of Duty 1, 2 and 3 with a new setting an a new graphical engine. The game offers absolutely nothing that wasn't seen before.

Team Fortress 2, as much as I love it, is almost a carbon copy of Team Fortress Classic with a new visual style. Hell, Dystopia, another Half-Life 2 mod, is far more next-gen.

Please. You're using "next-gen" like Sony uses it.

It's only a next-gen game if we say it is? :rolleyes: The "next-gen" buzzword is meaningless. It's a marketing term that has completely cornered the market on technobabble. People say "next-gen" but what they mean is "the games I think are the best".

Regardless, we all know why Crysis didn't sell as well as it should've. Crytek "next-gen'ed" themselves right out of the market.

[H.Bogard]

Intel quad-core Q6600 2.4
3 Gig RAM
Geforce 8500GT (latest drivers)

I disable all virus programs, background routines, etc. Games like The Witcher, Universe at War, Enemy Territory Quake Wars and STALKER all run fine at high resolutions with most options cranked up.

Yeah, the graphics card isn't the greatest but it was released in the last year and is DirectX10. Games shouldn't be released that require the purchase of a $400-500 graphics card each and every year...

lol @ DX10. That card is as directX 10 compatible as an onboard solution might be, perhaps worse.

The Geforce 8800GT was below $200 when Crysis came out and is somewhere around $150 right now... runs the game perfectly. Don't blame your lame rig building on the game. Its a technical marvel for all the hardware it runs on.

[Schnoogs]

CryMore, CryTek. Take your code and go home.

ps, noone wants your stuff.

:D

I do actually...great game...great technology

[H.Bogard]

We couldn't possibly be bashing it because it's a shitty game, now could we?

What makes it next gen? The graphics? Because if you're thinking it's the gameplay or the story, you'd be sorely mistaken. Yes, we get it, it's pretty. Now can we make a game that looks good AND isn't the opposite of fun to actually play?

The general reviewer population seems to disagree with you. The game has the finest physical interaction and character animations that I have seen to date in any game. Crysis is a step above its spiritual predecessor, Far Cry, in every way. Where as Call of Duty 4 and Team Fortress 2 are a 'Polished more of the same' approach. If Crysis isn't fun to play, then so isn't Halo or COD4.

[Schnoogs]

Games shouldn't be released that require the purchase of a $400-500 graphics card each and every year...

I picked up an 8800GT for $200 and it played Crysis just fine at 1280x720@high settings

Not sure what you're talking about.

[Goronmon]

My rig far exceeds the system specs called out on the game box so how can it be my fault when the game doesn't run?It's your fault because you bought an atrocious video card. :p

Edit: I'm not exaggerating either.

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4902&s=10

Seriously, don't bitch about hardware requirements when you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Edit: Man, that comment just gets more ridiculous the more I think about it.

[Schnoogs]

The general reviewer population seems to disagree with you. The game has the finest physical interaction and character animations that I have seen to date in any game. Crysis is a step above its spiritual predecessor, Far Cry, in every way. Where as Call of Duty 4 and Team Fortress 2 are a 'Polished more of the same' approach. If Crysis isn't fun to play, then so isn't Halo or COD4.

Quoted for truth

[H.Bogard]

Thank you, Schnoogs. Where the heck were you when Xerxes was bashing me as making false statements about the game being playable at 720p/high on an 8800GT? :mad:

[Schnoogs]

Thank you, Schnoogs. Where the heck were you when Xerxes was bashing me as making false statements about the game being playable at 720p/high on an 8800GT? :mad:

That same conversation has taken place here like 10x.

There's quite a few here who have been very successful at playing that game with budget hardware.

That hasn't stopped people though from spreading FUD and lies. 8800GTs are now under $200. Heck my friend just got a new 8800GTS for under $200 as well.

[Crono]

Jesus Crysis!

[Wackman3000]

The general reviewer population seems to disagree with you. The game has the finest physical interaction and character animations that I have seen to date in any game. Crysis is a step above its spiritual predecessor, Far Cry, in every way. Where as Call of Duty 4 and Team Fortress 2 are a 'Polished more of the same' approach. If Crysis isn't fun to play, then so isn't Halo or COD4.

You got it bang on.

Sure the game has problems, but it makes forward progress in the FPS genre instead of just rehashing old ideas.

I played the shit out of this game.

[grognard66]

I picked up an 8800GT for $200 and it played Crysis just fine at 1280x720@high settings

Not sure what you're talking about.

Best Buy is selling geforce 8800GT cards for $250 today and they were over $300 during last Holiday. I could buy another 360 for that much and play games that look much better, run smoother, and most importantly, are far better games (Bioshock, Orange Box, etc.).

It's PC gaming snobs that look down on anyone who doesn't buy the latest gaming card every 6 months that created the environment that is killing pc gaming. The average consumer will not bother searching unknown website retailers for the latest video card and replace it every 6 months and the average consumer is the demographic pc gaming developers should be targeting.

You guys remind me why I ended up getting away from pc gaming 6 years ago. In three months you guys will be mocking anyone with an 8800GT card...

[Goronmon]

Best Buy is selling geforce 8800GT cards for $250 today and they were over $300 during last Holiday.Which is why no one buys video cards at Best Buy. Newegg is your friend.

It's PC gaming snobs that look down on anyone who doesn't buy the latest gaming card every 6 months that created the environment that is killing pc gaming. The average consumer will not bother searching unknown website retailers for the latest video card and replace it every 6 months and the average consumer is the demographic pc gaming developers should be targeting.There is a difference between snobs and expecting people have a minimum level of understanding as to the requirements of PC gaming. Something you obviously don't have. Yes, PC gaming requires more thought than walking into Walmart and picking up a box marked Playstation.

It's funny because you don't realize how ridiculous you sound. You have a video card that sucked the day it was released. The fact that the number starts with an '8' means little when you actually look at the specs.

Edit: For instance. $135 after MIR with free shipping. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121224)

[grognard66]

It's your fault because you bought an atrocious video card. :p

Edit: I'm not exaggerating either.

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4902&s=10

Seriously, don't bitch about hardware requirements when you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Edit: Man, that comment just gets more ridiculous the more I think about it.

It's ridiculous to believe the developer when they list the system requirements on their box and the game won't run when your computer exceeds it? If bragging about a graphics card is what you need to pump up your self-esteem this conversation is pointless.

[Jotoco]

Well, to be honest, I can't think of any AAA release that got dropped that early...Yes, Crysis is not a AAA game.

Well, I didn't even know Crysis was a GAME!

By the way people talk about it I Thought it was a benchmarking tool!

Seriously, I NEVER heard anything about the campaing/multiplayer/gameplay/storyline/yada yada of this game. The ONLY thing I heard was about it's high reqs and graphics and physics power. Never bought it, never even tried the demo.

[Goronmon]

It's ridiculous to believe the developer when they list the system requirements on their box and the game won't run when your computer exceeds it? If bragging about a graphics card is what you need to pump up your self-esteem this conversation is pointless.The video card is the most important part of a gaming rig. Your video card is worse than the minimum requirements.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/graphics-cards/3dmark06-v1-0-2-hdr-sm3-0-score,538.html?modelx=33&model1=856&model2=721&chart=275

6800GT is the minimum requirement for Crysis. Find your card on the list.

[Schnoogs]

Best Buy is selling geforce 8800GT cards for $250 today and they were over $300 during last Holiday. I could buy another 360 for that much and play games that look much better, run smoother, and most importantly, are far better games (Bioshock, Orange Box, etc.).

It's PC gaming snobs that look down on anyone who doesn't buy the latest gaming card every 6 months that created the environment that is killing pc gaming. The average consumer will not bother searching unknown website retailers for the latest video card and replace it every 6 months and the average consumer is the demographic pc gaming developers should be targeting.

You guys remind me why I ended up getting away from pc gaming 6 years ago. In three months you guys will be mocking anyone with an 8800GT card...

first off why are you buying your cards at Best Buy???

Noone is looking down on anyone...we're telling you that you can get a great card for under $200.

[H.Bogard]

Best Buy is selling geforce 8800GT cards for $250 today and they were over $300 during last Holiday. I could buy another 360 for that much and play games that look much better, run smoother, and most importantly, are far better games (Bioshock, Orange Box, etc.).

It's PC gaming snobs that look down on anyone who doesn't buy the latest gaming card every 6 months that created the environment that is killing pc gaming. The average consumer will not bother searching unknown website retailers for the latest video card and replace it every 6 months and the average consumer is the demographic pc gaming developers should be targeting.

You guys remind me why I ended up getting away from pc gaming 6 years ago. In three months you guys will be mocking anyone with an 8800GT card...

Wow... just wow.

[grognard66]

Which is why no one buys video cards at Best Buy. Newegg is your friend.

There is a difference between snobs and expecting people have a minimum level of understanding as to the requirements of PC gaming. Something you obviously don't have. Yes, PC gaming requires more thought than walking into Walmart and picking up a box marked Playstation.

It's funny because you don't realize how ridiculous you sound. You have a video card that sucked the day it was released. The fact that the number starts with an '8' means little when you actually look at the specs.

Edit: For instance. $135 after MIR with free shipping. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121224)

It's funny that you don't realize how out of touch you are, which is the very point of this thread. Crytek was also out of touch which is why the plug was pulled on further support for this game and why the developer has switched to console development as most other former pc developers have.

I used to be a hardcore pc gamer until I came to the realization that I was spending more time and money working on my system than actually playing games. I'd rather spend my time playing games than researching obscure websites to figure out if I can play games.

[Goronmon]

It's funny that you don't realize how out of touch you are, which is the very point of this thread. Crytek was also out of touch which is why the plug was pulled on further support for this game and why the developer has switched to console development as most other former pc developers have.Out of touch with morons like yourself? Oh man, I'm hurt. Yes, I am resorting to insults at this point.

And just in case you missed it the first time around.

The video card is the most important part of a gaming rig. Your video card is worse than the minimum requirements.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/graphics-cards/3dmark06-v1-0-2-hdr-sm3-0-score,538.html?modelx=33&model1=856&model2=721&chart=275

6800GT is the minimum requirement for Crysis. Find your card on the list.May need to expand the list to see yours.

[grognard66]

first off why are you buying your cards at Best Buy???

Noone is looking down on anyone...we're telling you that you can get a great card for under $200.

I'm not getting a card at Best Buy! My point is that the average consumer will as Best Buy's sales dwarf that of newegg (or any other electronics retailer for that matter). Is it that hard for you guys to understand that Joe Consumer will not buy from websites like NewEgg, will not research obscure tech sites just to play a single pc game?

If pc gaming developers don't come to that conclusion that market segment will continue it's slow, painful death.

[H.Bogard]

I'm not getting a card at Best Buy! My point is that the average consumer will as Best Buy's sales dwarf that of newegg (or any other electronics retailer for that matter). Is it that hard for you guys to understand that Joe Consumer will not buy from websites like NewEgg, will not research obscure tech sites just to play a single pc game?

If pc gaming developers don't come to that conclusion that market segment will continue it's slow, painful death.

Last time I checked, Best Buy is not exactly the first place that comes to ANYONE's mind when buying a new videocard. It can be some other shitty store, yes... probably.

If what you said about your rig is true, then you're only a $130 videocard away from enjoying Crysis in its full splendor. Minus the scrap value of that POS one you currently have.

[Goronmon]

If pc gaming developers don't come to that conclusion that market segment will continue it's slow, painful death.So, this whole rant was just you trying to show why PC gaming is dying, without actually having any useful information to back it up? Good to know.

Though you could have just stated "I'm too lazy to care about PC gaming, so I hate it." and we could have saved a lot of trouble.

[Telefrog]

If what you said about your rig is true, then you're only a $130 videocard away from enjoying Crysis in its full splendor. Minus the scrap value of that POS one you currently have.

I'm sure that's exactly what he wants to do at this point. Spend another $130 to play a game that the developer is abandoning for other projects. :D

[Schnoogs]

I'm sure that's exactly what he wants to do at this point. Spend another $130 to play a game that the developer is abandoning for other projects. :D

Seeing as the game rocks who cares whether theyve abandoned it or not?

It's not like it becomes less kick ass or something.

[grognard66]

Out of touch with morons like yourself? Oh man, I'm hurt. Yes, I am resorting to insults at this point.

And just in case you missed it the first time around.

May need to expand the list to see yours.

You're still missing the point. Why would I go to Tomshardware to see if my game will run rather than to the actual Crysis site. For grins, I just went back on the site and ran the test right on their own website (download app)and here's the results:
Video Card
Minimum: Supported chipsets: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT or greater; ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (Radeon X800 Pro for Vista) or greater. Laptop versions of these chipsets may work but are not supported. Integrated chipsets are not supported. Updates to your video and sound card drivers may be required.
You Have: NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT () PASS
Video Card Features - Minimum attributes of your Video Card Video RAM: Required - 256 MB , You have - 1.7 GB
Video Card 3D Acceleration: Required - Yes , You have - Yes
Video HW Transform & Lighting: Required - Yes , You have - Yes
Vertex Shader Ver.: Required - 2.0 , You have - 4.0
Pixel Shader Ver.: Required - 2.0 , You have - 4.0

There's a silly bar chart showing you need to exceed two "bars" for each of those categories and my system is at 4 out of 6 "bars" for each category. So how is it the consumers fault again for not believing the box and game website???

[Goronmon]

There's a silly bar chart showing you need to exceed two "bars" for each of those categories and my system is at 4 out of 6 "bars" for each category. So how is it the consumers fault again for not believing the box and game website???Blame the Nvidia for creating a card with features it doesn't have the horsepower to actually run.

[Disgustipated]

Intel quad-core Q6600 2.4
3 Gig RAM
Geforce 8500GT (latest drivers)

I disable all virus programs, background routines, etc. Games like The Witcher, Universe at War, Enemy Territory Quake Wars and STALKER all run fine at high resolutions with most options cranked up.

Yeah, the graphics card isn't the greatest but it was released in the last year and is DirectX10. Games shouldn't be released that require the purchase of a $400-500 graphics card each and every year...

Best Buy is selling geforce 8800GT cards for $250 today and they were over $300 during last Holiday. I could buy another 360 for that much and play games that look much better, run smoother, and most importantly, are far better games (Bioshock, Orange Box, etc.).

It's PC gaming snobs that look down on anyone who doesn't buy the latest gaming card every 6 months that created the environment that is killing pc gaming. The average consumer will not bother searching unknown website retailers for the latest video card and replace it every 6 months and the average consumer is the demographic pc gaming developers should be targeting.

You guys remind me why I ended up getting away from pc gaming 6 years ago. In three months you guys will be mocking anyone with an 8800GT card...
It's funny that you don't realize how out of touch you are, which is the very point of this thread. Crytek was also out of touch which is why the plug was pulled on further support for this game and why the developer has switched to console development as most other former pc developers have.

I used to be a hardcore pc gamer until I came to the realization that I was spending more time and money working on my system than actually playing games. I'd rather spend my time playing games than researching obscure websites to figure out if I can play games.

You're still missing the point. Why would I go to Tomshardware to see if my game will run rather than to the actual Crysis site. For grins, I just went back on the site and ran the test right on their own website (download app)and here's the results:
Video Card
Minimum: Supported chipsets: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT or greater; ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (Radeon X800 Pro for Vista) or greater. Laptop versions of these chipsets may work but are not supported. Integrated chipsets are not supported. Updates to your video and sound card drivers may be required.
You Have: NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT () PASS
Video Card Features - Minimum attributes of your Video Card Video RAM: Required - 256 MB , You have - 1.7 GB
Video Card 3D Acceleration: Required - Yes , You have - Yes
Video HW Transform & Lighting: Required - Yes , You have - Yes
Vertex Shader Ver.: Required - 2.0 , You have - 4.0
Pixel Shader Ver.: Required - 2.0 , You have - 4.0

There's a silly bar chart showing you need to exceed two "bars" for each of those categories and my system is at 4 out of 6 "bars" for each category. So how is it the consumers fault again for not believing the box and game website???

Let's put it in the simplest terms possible, shall we? You are retarded. You have already been proven retarded and ignorant by several other posters, yet you continue to bleat on like the idiotic sheep you are.

The sheer amount of stupidity in your posts is mind-boggling. If you can't understand why an 8500 GT isn't a card you can play Crysis on, you should just stick with console gaming. One of the reasons it's easier is so people like you don't have to think - something you seem to have a LOT of trouble with.

My rig from 2006 cost less than $1,400 yet will beat yours in every single game available today. That's pathetic (on your end).

[I_Kleiner]

grognard66

I have basically the same computer you do except mine has a 8800GTS 640 and it barley runs Crysis (still playable). Minimum requirements are a joke but then again that's a problem with software in general. I think Crysis is a fun game but yeah the system requirements are higher than most games.

Even if Crysis didn't sell well that doesn't mean PC gaming is dying. I'm sure more accessible games like Orange Box and Sins of Solar Empire will make up for Crysis poor performance.

[El Ikkir]

You're still missing the point. Why would I go to Tomshardware to see if my game will run rather than to the actual Crysis site. For grins, I just went back on the site and ran the test right on their own website (download app)and here's the results:
Video Card
Minimum: Supported chipsets: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT or greater; ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (Radeon X800 Pro for Vista) or greater. Laptop versions of these chipsets may work but are not supported. Integrated chipsets are not supported. Updates to your video and sound card drivers may be required.
You Have: NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT () PASS
Video Card Features - Minimum attributes of your Video Card Video RAM: Required - 256 MB , You have - 1.7 GB
Video Card 3D Acceleration: Required - Yes , You have - Yes
Video HW Transform & Lighting: Required - Yes , You have - Yes
Vertex Shader Ver.: Required - 2.0 , You have - 4.0
Pixel Shader Ver.: Required - 2.0 , You have - 4.0

There's a silly bar chart showing you need to exceed two "bars" for each of those categories and my system is at 4 out of 6 "bars" for each category. So how is it the consumers fault again for not believing the box and game website???

If you're such a hardcore gamer, you would understand that minimum system requirements does not equal great gaming experience.

In fact, it doesn't even equal a good gaming experience. It just means the game will run on you computer.... somehow...

The 8500 is a card that is worst than a card that is 2 Generations old... C'mon...

Plus your CPU barely passes the minimum required Intel Multi Core 2.2 GHz (for Vista).

Serioulsy??? What did you expect.

And gaming is not dying anytime soon. Just look at the great success that is Steam.

[H.Bogard]

grognard66

I have basically the same computer you do except mine has a 8800GTS 640 and it barley runs Crysis (still playable). Minimum requirements are a joke but then again that's a problem with software in general. I think Crysis is a fun game but yeah the system requirements are higher than most games.

Even if Crysis didn't sell well that doesn't mean PC gaming is dying. I'm sure more accessible games like Orange Box and Sins of Solar Empire will make up for Crysis poor performance.

Crysis sold well enough, look up the non-NPD numbers.

The 8800GTS (G82) should be able to handle the game at normal resolutions and medium settings... though the G92 version is where you'll get the best performance boost. (512 Megs... i.e.)

[Schnoogs]

Let's put it in the simplest terms possible, shall we? You are retarded. You have already been proved retarded and ignorant by several other posters, yet you continue to bleat on like the idiotic sheep you are.

The sheer amount of stupidity in your posts is mind-boggling. If you can't understand why an 8500 GT isn't a card you can play Crysis on, you should just stick with console gaming. One of the reasons it's easier is so people like you don't have to think - something you seem to have a LOT of trouble with.

My rig from 2006 cost less than $1,400 yet will beat yours in every single game available today. That's pathetic (on your end).

This is my kind of post

[thomasc]

It didn't beat Tribes: Vengeance in the "fuck you" department.
T:V had a lot of cheating online and they just stopped supporting the game after 5 months. the developer even shipped a fucking patch to VU but they didnt release it

[Lunar Blue]

Well, I didn't even know Crysis was a GAME!

By the way people talk about it I Thought it was a benchmarking tool!

Seriously, I NEVER heard anything about the campaing/multiplayer/gameplay/storyline/yada yada of this game. The ONLY thing I heard was about it's high reqs and graphics and physics power. Never bought it, never even tried the demo.

Well, if you read gnognard66's posts you'll see why: 90% of the people talking about Crysis on this site have either never even played it or don't know shit about building or buying a computer to run a high-end PC game. Instead of spending half an hour researching what hardware they need (knowing they will be playing high-end games) they do the obvious thing and blame the game and the developer.

I've said it before and I say it again: I bought hardware (that came out last year) this march for €650 euros (mobo, gfx, cpu and ram) and I play Crysis on high to very high settings no problem. I spent around two hours looking at different parts, reading benchmarks and comparing prices to get what I wanted. If that is too much to ask for, then do us all a favour and stick to consoles. And after you are out the door, please shut the fuck up.

[UnderHero5]

I think you guys are being a little hard on grognard66.
All he's saying is that PC games should be more accessible to those with low system specs.
I agree, to a point... but the problem with that argument is that there ARE tons of games like that.

These days most of them come from indie developers (many of which can be found on Steam).

I wouldn't attack him personally, like you guys did... kind of ridiculous of you, really.
There are some valid points to be made about the declining state of PC gaming. To deny that it has slowed down in recent years is simply putting your head in the sand.

The number of AAA PC exclusives has drastically fallen in the last few years. I honestly can't think of more than a few "highly regarded" PC games coming out this year (that aren't also console games).

I don't think PC gaming is dying. It will never die. I think it's just changing. From what I've seen, the amount of big name games is dropping, and the indie games are picking up. That's a good thing, in my eyes. The indie games are usually more accessible, and more inventive.

[Banacek]

Actually, this news post reminded me that I have to go pick up a copy of Crysis to check it out.

[I_Kleiner]

Crysis sold well enough, look up the non-NPD numbers.

The 8800GTS (G82) should be able to handle the game at normal resolutions and medium settings... though the G92 version is where you'll get the best performance boost. (512 Megs... i.e.)

Yeah the 8800GTS G82 is playable I get around 30ps on high settings. I do plan on getting a G92 version of the GTS eventually or maybe just a GT. I'll be honest I'm kinda spoiled as to what I think "runs well" means. So "barely" to me is actually not that bad in reality. I think with Crysis we underestimate how much is actually going in that game.

BTW This game does have long legs and IMO more PC gamers will continue to discover Crysis as time goes on.

[Fonz]

Crytek just registered about 5 different "Cry" named games a few weeks back, I'm sure theres a sequel/expansion pack coming out that will probably be parrelled by a console version thats forced to run on the 360's and PS3 512mb of total ram......

[Qoz]

I think it was inevitable. Too many AAA titles with a no innovation and appealing to a somewhat small demographic. All industries (especially media) have this kind of development, where some studios get a little bit too optimistic.

When you look at hollywood movies, you see the exact same trend. They need to innovate and create a different experience or the audience will not pay anymore. They milk the cow for a long time, but they seldom know when to stop.

Game development is really expensive, so the industry will adapt and make projects with less risk. Just like EA is doing. I hope this is not a trend towards this approach, but it seems to be.

[Primus]

The hooked up, cheap PC is something the minority enjoys. PC building is not everyones hobby, and it is not common knowledge. Giving this guy shit because he doesn't scan newegg or memorize hardware specs makes you come off as a douche.

Really what it comes down to is the developer made a game that, for the most part, only hobbyists can enjoy. I have seen a lot of people try this game on their computer and get disappointed.

No one can argue that the reason WoW was so successful was because it required nothing from a computer.

I see grognard66's original point and it is valid.

[Kryopsis]

When you look at hollywood movies, you see the exact same trend. They need to innovate and create a different experience or the audience will not pay anymore. They milk the cow for a long time, but they seldom know when to stop.

Last time I checked, movie sequels sell significantly more specifically because the audience want more of the same. The people who want diversity and originality are in the minority: average John Q. Moviegoer goes to see historical monuments being exploded/destroyed/flooded/melted/shot/deconstructed.

[Gedd]

CryMore, CryTek. Take your code and go home.

ps, noone wants your stuff.

:D

You can stop typing now.

I do actually...great game...great technology


Heh, guess i'm a little too sarcastic, don't mind my humour.

I legally own a copy of Crysis, I think it's a very good game and have the rig to run it. (p35 mobo, C2Q6600, 8gb ram, x-fi, bfg 8800ultra oc, XP pro x64, dual raptor x's in raid 0, 27" lcd) I'm looking forward to playing it again with every successive hardware upgrade I make in the next few years as well. I figure by about 2010 there should be hardware on the market to make it run at consistent 60+ fps on maximum settings @ high res's, without monster SLI/Crossfire setups, at least I hope so lol.

They better be making an expansion; it's pretty shitty if they're just gonna leave us twisting in the wind with no resolution. If you plan to do something "episodic" then do it.

[HotCod]

What exactly did crysis do that we've not seen before in terms of game play? The suit powers are about the only thing i can think of everything else has been done, mainly by far cry. There's very little "next gen" (if you want to use that stupid word) about it other than the way it looks. The first half of the game IS a lot of fun, the story is rubbishy the characters a joke but once you get the hang of the idea that you should be jumping around punching the bad guys in the fact its good. The next half of the game is even worse story wise and the make the idiotic choice to all but gut the fun parts of the game play... you get put all but on rails (instead of large open sanbox maps) you get stupid escort missions and you fight bad guys who are not nearly as fun.

The problem is any add ons or sequels given how the game has ended will end up dealing with all the unfun parts of the first game unless they can come up with a reason to dumb all said boring silly stupid stuff and let us go back to bashing buildings down around koreans or the like.

Honestly, far cry 2 seems like it will be a better bet than anything more to do with crysis.

[Bingley Joe]

What exactly did crysis do that we've not seen before in terms of game play? The suit powers are about the only thing i can think of everything else has been done, mainly by far cry.

Even that's being too generous; the suit powers aren't really all that different from the augmentations you could use in Deus Ex.

This thread has reminded me that I need to get around to playing Crysis some day. :)

[Ancalagon]

Even that's being too generous; the suit powers aren't really all that different from the augmentations you could use in Deus Ex.

This thread has reminded me that I need to get around to playing Crysis some day. :)

I still havent finished it. Its a cutting edge engine with an underwhelming game wrapped around it.

You know, I was playing Half Life 2 Episode 2 recently, and I realized that despite the fact that its graphics engine is pitiful in comparison, its art direction and level design more than makes up for it.

[Silverbaine]

You know it is too bad this has to happen. I really wanted to see more with this engine. Lets just hope todays mod community can try to breathe life back into this game... or at least try.

[Housemixer]

How about a Deus Ex mod for the Crysis engine? :D And don't forget that Crysis (as strange as that sounds) is currently our best shot at a good Mechwarrior game --> http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/

I have only played the demo and it was a lot of fun, I'm probably going to upgrade at the end of this month (the new ATI and Nvidia cards are coming out and I'm hoping that they have enough power for Crysis with all the bells and whistles) and then I'm going to get the game as well.

[Telefrog]

The hooked up, cheap PC is something the minority enjoys. PC building is not everyones hobby, and it is not common knowledge. Giving this guy shit because he doesn't scan newegg or memorize hardware specs makes you come off as a douche.

Really what it comes down to is the developer made a game that, for the most part, only hobbyists can enjoy. I have seen a lot of people try this game on their computer and get disappointed.

No one can argue that the reason WoW was so successful was because it required nothing from a computer.

I see grognard66's original point and it is valid.

I think I've made my position very clear on this issue and it's quite similar to this. You guys jumped all over grognard66 for his ignorance when buying PC gaming components when that's part of the problem with PC gaming in general. Placing the responsibility on the consumer is exactly what keeps PC gaming secondary to console games.

People do not research this stuff. Most people just want to pop a disc in their machine, console style and get playing. Sure, there will always be a hardcore crowd of gamers that will keep abreast of PC hardware and want to play the latest and greatest stuff, but that demographic will never be as large as the people that pick up their PC's from a store and never open them.

As to Crysis, most people will acknowledge that you can play it fairly well with a respectable setup, but not too many people (even now!) can crank it all the way up and see the graphics the way the developers showed it off in ads and previews. That's an issue for many people regardless of the reality that we understand here on EvAv.

[Steve_Erhardt]

Call of Duty 4 is a rehash of Call of Duty 1, 2 and 3 with a new setting an a new graphical engine. The game offers absolutely nothing that wasn't seen before.
Aside from a mountain of unlocks and perks, that is. ;)

[Lutheran]

It's funny that you don't realize how out of touch you are, which is the very point of this thread. Crytek was also out of touch which is why the plug was pulled on further support for this game and why the developer has switched to console development as most other former pc developers have.

I used to be a hardcore pc gamer until I came to the realization that I was spending more time and money working on my system than actually playing games. I'd rather spend my time playing games than researching obscure websites to figure out if I can play games.


Dude I bought an 8800GTS almost 10 months or go or some shit like that and can play this game at very close to its highest settings....you buy a top of the line video card today and you can play pretty much anything for a long time to come. The 8500 is pure crap. Not picking on you , its just a fact.

[Lutheran]

Also I don't buy that the average joe is stupid. I can't tell you how many girls in my offices or friends parents who quiz me on whats the best way to upgrade their home pc to be able to play any game. People out there know that you need a fast cpu and a good video card to play games with. Are there dumb people out there who just buy some piece of crap and then get disappointed? Sure but these days people know you need a good pc to be a high end game player. And Crysis is a ton of fun , most of the people who bitch about it couldn't possibly have played it as I have played just about every FPS under the sun and Crysis holds up and even surpasses a lot of them.

[Telefrog]

Also I don't buy that the average joe is stupid.

If there was some way to quantify this as a wager, I would take you up on it. :D Since I sell a large volume of computers to government and education clients, I know firsthand how ignorant people are about PC's and software.

Let me tell you, most people just want to turn it on and have it work. Period. They do not want to open it up and fiddle with the components. It's as foreign an idea as repairing their own ovens or TVs.

[Banacek]

Also I don't buy that the average joe is stupid.

You need to work some retail/service job for a week and you'll see why you are wrong :)

[Jambe]

There's nothing to indicate that the "techy" niche will evaporate, is there? If not, will there always be game designers developing stuff for that niche? Obviously it's an easily targeted demographic; it's just that devs & pubs would need some way to reliably monetize development of "exotic" games.

One wonders if Crytek could float solely by producing software for game developers in the middleware market. Crysis was technically a neat thing to behold but the story & mechanics were meh, so you could argue that the only redeeming bit of the lot was CryEngine 2 (and it is, in all honesty, pretty damned neat). I'm not saying Crysis is going to become the next Gamebryo, but there's no reason to rule out such a possibility, is there?

This gets back to the first paragraph now. What (aside from capital & publisher trust) would stop a Crytek, Emergent Game Tech, Simutronics, Multiverse, etc from specifically knocking up the indie community? A group that specializes in framework creation paired with a group of visionary developers could conceivably be more effective than a "let's do everything in-house" approach, right?

I don't know. This whole train of thought is premised on the idea that the middleware folk would be able to attract enough talented dev folk to ensure that the sum of all the flops & hits would float this "cutting-edge tech + top-shelf development" scheme. Probably too tenuous a situation to ever exist; then again, we just saw the US economy explode because of a bunch of imbeciles claiming stated income (yeah, I work at Taco Bell and make 200k a year). So maybe it's plausible.

In any case, the rise of middleware is really fascinating, ain't it?

I rant... Was the development cost of Crysis ever publicized? Can we know whether Crytek & EA lost money, broke even or went significantly into the black because of Crysis?

[grognard66]

The hooked up, cheap PC is something the minority enjoys. PC building is not everyones hobby, and it is not common knowledge. Giving this guy shit because he doesn't scan newegg or memorize hardware specs makes you come off as a douche.

Really what it comes down to is the developer made a game that, for the most part, only hobbyists can enjoy. I have seen a lot of people try this game on their computer and get disappointed.

No one can argue that the reason WoW was so successful was because it required nothing from a computer.

I see grognard66's original point and it is valid.

Thanks, Primus - that's what I've been trying to get across. Some of these guys come across as pathetically desperate (hence the childish name calling and comical air of superiority) to validate their hobby and don't realize how out of touch they are. There's a reason PC gaming is struggling. Games like Crysis misrepresent what they are - it was marketed as a AAA mainstream title and the box flat out lies about the system requirements (as does the website). Consumers only need to be burned a few times before deciding it's not worth the hassle and that is what has happened to the pc gaming industry.

As to my much maligned PC, they also don't realize that not everyone buys a pc primarily as a game machine. I do most of my gaming on consoles these days and I selected this specific PC because it had Blu-Ray AND HD-DVD playback in addition to the obvious, typical PC applications (email/browsing/etc) and gaming came in a distant third to the PC & Movie capabilities.

I don't see why they have such a hard time understanding that if the game box and website say your system exceeds the requirements it should run fairly well. I understand perfectly well to avoid buying a game which only meets the minimum requirements but according to the information EA/Crytek provided I met the RECOMMENDED system requirements so it is not unreasonable to assume the game should run at the NORMAL settings.

My final point in this thread would be to point out the obvious problem these guys have avoided. Crysis launched roughly two weeks after the 8800 card they have all unanimously cited in this thread as the minimum I should have known to buy. What company in their right mind would release a major retail title for an install base of 0% of existing PC owners when there are an estimated 100 million PC's in America? That is why Crysis failed abysmally. You don't release a game without an install base, but Crytek made the mistake of pandering to the hardcore hobbyist pc guys who aren't going to justify the development cost of a game like Crysis on their own.

The PC games that have thrived are those which are scalable like WoW, Sims, Half-Life 2 etc. and if EA/Crytek has come right out and said this is a tech experiment for only high end computers I wouldn't have an issue with them.

[H.Bogard]

What exactly did crysis do that we've not seen before in terms of game play?

The physics, open-ended gameplay, suit mechanics, Stealth-or-guns-blazing approach choices might sound like they've all been done before, but rarely have they all been put into one package effectively together. Crysis is greater than the sum of its parts... you'll know when you crush some dudes under trees or drive a tank into a house. :D

[Schnoogs]

What exactly did crysis do that we've not seen before in terms of game play?

The incredibly realistic environments added a ton to the experience...the suit was incredibly fun as well. I love the open feel of the levels.

[digitalErich]

Since this is turning into a PopOp, how is the MP Schnoogs? I've been meaning to pick up Crysis and might do so this weekend. I really liked the way the demo played and from what I hear the early levels of the full game are even more open.

[Goronmon]

There's a reason PC gaming is struggling. Games like Crysis misrepresent what they are - it was marketed as a AAA mainstream title and the box flat out lies about the system requirements (as does the website).If your position was valid you wouldn't have to resort to lying completely in order to defend your stance. Really, keep spewing this bullshit over and over. And no, the "I'm too ignorant to know about video cards." isn't a valid excuse for you to keep spreading your lies.

I don't see why they have such a hard time understanding that if the game box and website say your system exceeds the requirements it should run fairly well. I understand perfectly well to avoid buying a game which only meets the minimum requirements but according to the information EA/Crytek provided I met the RECOMMENDED system requirements so it is not unreasonable to assume the game should run at the NORMAL settings.Your system does not meet the minimum requirements. Pretending that I haven't proven this wrong already with facts (as opposed to your rhetoric) unfortunately doesn't make you correct.

Crysis launched roughly two weeks after the 8800 card they have all unanimously cited in this thread as the minimum I should have known to buy.No one said it was the minimum. It was used as a counter-example to your bullshit about needing to spend anywhere from $300-$500 dollars on a video card that could run Crysis.

[Steve_Erhardt]

Meant to throw this in earlier, but I've long since found that "Minimum System Requirements" can usually be translated as: "Your computer will probably gag but won't outright crash trying to run the game on the lowest settings." and "Recommended System Requirements" as: "If you want anything even remotely resembling the screenshots on this box, you need the hardware stated below." ;)

[Phanto]

That sucks to people that paid for that shitty game.

[Goronmon]

That sucks to people that paid for that shitty game.Sucks for people that have to read your shitty posts.

[Telefrog]

Since this is turning into a PopOp, how is the MP Schnoogs? I've been meaning to pick up Crysis and might do so this weekend. I really liked the way the demo played and from what I hear the early levels of the full game are even more open.

Do not buy this game for the MP. Just don't. That's the whole crux of this thread. Crytek is no longer going to patch the MP portion of the game. If you read through the linked official forum in the OP, you'll see that MP was dead before this announcement. I doubt this news will make it grow.

On the flipside, the singleplayer game is pretty good. It does take away the open levels late in the game and regresses to a typical hallway shooter by the end, but it's worth it if you find it on discount.

[Schnoogs]

Sucks for people that have to read your shitty posts.

Quoted for truth

[digitalErich]

Are we talking worse than Far Cry's MP? It was never great, but every once in a while I would jump in and have some form of fun for an hour or two.

[Schnoogs]

Far Cry MP was and still is my fav all time.

I'm not talking deathmatch...I'm talking about the Assult mode. That was so much fucking fun.

[digitalErich]

Assault mode was pretty fun and it was my gametype of choice for FC MP, but I don't think it ever cracked my top 10 as far as MP game types. I can see why people would love it, though.

[Wackman3000]

That sucks to people that paid for that shitty game.

If you come into a thread and make an ignorant statement like that, at least have something to back it up besides your stupidity.

[ProfPuppet]

I always thought Crysis was mainly an early demo for an engine they would sell to other companies later down the line. It might be that they have few enough developers that they're allocating their time into creation of an expansion pack that would fix whatever problems currently exist, rather than creating a patch. This is fine if whatever the current issues are aren't large, or they release the expansion, and a patch for those who don't buy the expansion, within the next 2-4 months. Otherwise, well, boo.

[serioustommy]

maybe they're skipping 1.3 and go straight to 1.4? am I the only one to get that?