Marvel Plans for Future Movies

[SC Spartan]

Picked this up on Newsarama:

"Marvel today updated its feature film slate strategy and plans for the next three years, locking in key release windows for its character franchises. In order to focus its attention on maximizing the success of an Iron Man sequel and the launch of Thor in the summer of 2010 and because Marvel believes that the summer is the optimal time to launch a new property, the Company will not release a self produced film in 2009. Marvel plans to launch its 2010 film slate with the release of the sequel, Iron Man 2, on April 30, 2010, followed by the launch of Thor on June 4, 2010. Additionally, Marvel is planting its feature film stakes for summer 2011 with an Avengers-themed summer – a two-picture project which will debut on May 6, 2011 with The First Avenger: Captain America (working title), followed by The Avengers in July 2011."

Thoughts?

[CaptStu]

Damn cool. Can I buy tix now? :)

[nixpayn]

If Ironman is any indication of things to come, i think we're in for a couple years of good super hero movies - FINALLY. I'm looking at you Fantastic 4, Spiderman 3 and X-men 3, and part of 2.

[CaptStu]

If Ironman is any indication of things to come, i think we're in for a couple years of good super hero movies - FINALLY. I'm looking at you Fantastic 4, Spiderman 3 and X-men 3, and part of 2.

I watched the Silver Surfer last night on HBO. Not a bad movie, but not a good movie either.

[Talon-]

Question: Does Captain America do anything besides throw his shield? Is he just a brawler? I've always wondered what kind of Superhero the guy is.

[Ghostbear]

Question: Does Captain America do anything besides throw his shield? Is he just a brawler? I've always wondered what kind of Superhero the guy is.
Captain America has no superhuman powers, although as a result of the Super-Soldier serum and vita-ray treatment, he is transformed from a frail young man into a "perfect" specimen of human development and conditioning. Captain America's strength, endurance, agility, speed, reflexes, and durability are at the highest limits of natural human potential. It has been established that Rogers' body regularly creates the super-soldier serum; it does not wear off.[58]

The formula enhances all of his metabolic functions and prevents the build-up of fatigue poisons in his muscles, giving him endurance far in excess of an ordinary human being. This accounts for many of his extraordinary feats, including bench pressing 1100 pounds (500kg) , running a mile (1.6 km) in little more than a minute.[59] Furthermore, his enhancements are the reason why he was able to survive being frozen in suspended animation for decades. Rogers is also unable to become intoxicated by alcohol and is immune to many diseases, as he also heals faster than normal.

Mentally, Rogers' battle experience and training make him an expert tactician and an excellent field commander, with his teammates frequently deferring to his orders in battle. Rogers' reflexes and senses are also extraordinarily keen. He is a master of multiple martial arts. Years of practice with his indestructible shield make him able to aim and throw it with almost unerring accuracy. His skill with his shield is such that he can attack multiple targets in succession with a single throw or even cause a boomerang-like return from a throw to attack an enemy from behind. In the comics, he is regarded by other skilled fighters as one of the best hand-to-hand combatants in the Marvel Universe.[60][61]

Rogers has vast U.S. military knowledge and is often shown to be familiar with ongoing, highly-classified Defense Department operations. He is an expert in combat strategy, survival, acrobatics, military strategy, piloting, and demolitions. Despite his high profile as one of the world's most popular and recognizable superheroes, Rogers also has a broad understanding of the espionage community, largely through his ongoing relationship with S.H.I.E.L.D. He occasionally makes forays into mundane career fields, including commercial arts, comic book artistry, education (high school history) and law enforcement.

So basically he is turned into the pinnacle of human physical potential. He is also regarded as a natural leader and excellent tactician.

[Klunka]

Question: Does Captain America do anything besides throw his shield? Is he just a brawler? I've always wondered what kind of Superhero the guy is.


Cap is a grea fighter yes, but they usually try to emphasize his leadership skills over everything. He's one of the few guys in the marvel universe most people will actually listen to. Though I guess respect isn't much of a super power.

[mkelehan]

What happened to Nick Fury?

[Kuya Cocoy]

Captain America is a walking flag that you can't shoot at. He has America's loyalty and trust. Truth, justice and the American way. He's the flag bearer. When he's on your team, the whole USA is on your team.

THAT's Captain America's power, son.

[Kuya Cocoy]

I don't mean to start an epic war (well, i guess i do) but who would you want in an Avengers movie: 616 Fury or Ultimates Fury? Disregarding Marvel choosing for you already, of course. :p

[Wombat]

I'm kind of curious how they will handle Thor. Almost all the movies so far have been the science fiction side of Marvel. Whether it's mutations, gamma rays, or radioactive spiders, it's all been pseudo scientific stuff. Thor, on the other hand is complete fantasy, he's the actual Norse god, and it'll be interesting to see how they integrate it with the other characters.

[Texas Speed]

I believe Iron Man was the first Avenger (what with founding, funding, and giving a mansion to them), as well as responsible for Nick Fury's position as Director of SHIELD and greatly helping Cap after he was thawed out...

But that can slide (minor quible, anyway) if all those movies continue being awesome. :)

[Maskatron]

What happened to Nick Fury?

I'd imagine that he's going to be a recurring character in all the upcoming films, and may be in a solo movie after all of these are released.

[Voodoo]

I'm kind of curious how they will handle Thor. Almost all the movies so far have been the science fiction side of Marvel. Whether it's mutations, gamma rays, or radioactive spiders, it's all been pseudo scientific stuff. Thor, on the other hand is complete fantasy, he's the actual Norse god, and it'll be interesting to see how they integrate it with the other characters.

I think, based on this biography, it is possible...

The Marvel version of Thor is noble and very self-assured, sometimes to the point of arrogance. Thor's father Odin decides his son needs to be taught humility and consequently places Thor (without memories of godhood) into the body and memories of an existing, partially disabled human medical student, Donald Blake. After becoming a doctor and thoroughly believing himself to be the young surgeon Blake, he later discovers Thor's disguised hammer and learns to change back and forth into the Thunder God. The real Blake's persona remains elsewhere until many years later, after Odin becomes satisfied of Thor's humility and lifts the spell, thereby removing the need for a mortal alter ego. The mortal experience, however, shapes Thor into an honorable and courteous individual, who is loyal to all comrades.

...and then : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800369/

Nick Fury movie : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482631/

[CaptStu]

I think, based on this biography, it is possible...



...and then : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800369/

Nick Fury movie : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482631/

Dude. They got the guy from Journeyman to be Thor. I like Journeyman, so I like this casting choice.

[Mashidar]

One of the best parts of Spider-man's Maximum Carnage arc that has stuck with me is when Spider-man was down on the ground and in the final frame was Captain America standing there telling him that it looked like he could use a hand.

From there on I liked Captain America and he was one of the main staples I used in any Marvel vs Capcom game. Final Justice!

[Norse]

The first Avenger: Captain America and Avengers two months apart? Doesn't that sound completely crazy? Why not release Avengers a year later instead?

Captain America is the least interesting of the main Marvel characters IMHO, but the movie might still end up great. My interest in Iron Man was low until I saw the awesome movie.

[digitalErich]

Captain America in print is currently one of Marvel's best books, but I have my doubts how a mass market movie based on him will turn out. I am excited for the Avengers movie, but I'm reigning in my excitement until I see a character roster.

[Dr.Finger]

They will have at least one movie coming out in 2009, but it won't be produced in-house. The Wolverine: Origins movie (aka X-Men 4) is coming next year.

[Kuya Cocoy]

I wonder how Captain America's "scalemail" armor looks like? Will the soundtrack be American fanfare throughout? They better get his melee skills right, and be able to explain how he defends from bullets from all sides of his body with only a 2.5 feet circular shield.

And *gasp* who will be Cap's enemies? What will be the movie's political agenda? :rolleyes:

[Zero]

Ze Germans, duh.

[joshkdmw]

Damn cool. Can I buy tix now? :)

I dare you to start camping out for the avengers.

Upstage those star wars fans but GOOD.

[walkstheplanes]

Captain America has no superhuman powers, although as a result of the Super-Soldier serum and vita-ray treatment, he is transformed from a frail young man into a "perfect" specimen of human development and conditioning. Captain America's strength, endurance, agility, speed, reflexes, and durability are at the highest limits of natural human potential. It has been established that Rogers' body regularly creates the super-soldier serum; it does not wear off.[58]

The formula enhances all of his metabolic functions and prevents the build-up of fatigue poisons in his muscles, giving him endurance far in excess of an ordinary human being. This accounts for many of his extraordinary feats, including bench pressing 1100 pounds (500kg) , running a mile (1.6 km) in little more than a minute.[59] Furthermore, his enhancements are the reason why he was able to survive being frozen in suspended animation for decades. Rogers is also unable to become intoxicated by alcohol and is immune to many diseases, as he also heals faster than normal.

Mentally, Rogers' battle experience and training make him an expert tactician and an excellent field commander, with his teammates frequently deferring to his orders in battle. Rogers' reflexes and senses are also extraordinarily keen. He is a master of multiple martial arts. Years of practice with his indestructible shield make him able to aim and throw it with almost unerring accuracy. His skill with his shield is such that he can attack multiple targets in succession with a single throw or even cause a boomerang-like return from a throw to attack an enemy from behind. In the comics, he is regarded by other skilled fighters as one of the best hand-to-hand combatants in the Marvel Universe.[60][61]

Rogers has vast U.S. military knowledge and is often shown to be familiar with ongoing, highly-classified Defense Department operations. He is an expert in combat strategy, survival, acrobatics, military strategy, piloting, and demolitions. Despite his high profile as one of the world's most popular and recognizable superheroes, Rogers also has a broad understanding of the espionage community, largely through his ongoing relationship with S.H.I.E.L.D. He occasionally makes forays into mundane career fields, including commercial arts, comic book artistry, education (high school history) and law enforcement.

So basically he is turned into the pinnacle of human physical potential. He is also regarded as a natural leader and excellent tactician.

In one of my TPB's (I think the recent omnibus that was released late last year), someone asks him how he dodges bullets. His response hinted that he maintains awareness of where guns are pointed. Ridiculous. I love the cap.

[Gitaroomaan]

The creation of a more "central" universe in the Marvel movies is a great idea, and hopefully it will work out well, but they better get some great directors/actors involved. Having Marvel as the studio itself gives me a little more faith, I mean Iron Man turned out great.

I'm just really curious about who's going to direct the Avengers movie. All of these characters are going to be in their own movies first, with presumably different directors. If they get the wrong guy to do the flick, it could ruin the whole thing. Not to mention the guy writing the script is Zak "I wrote Elektra and X-Men 3" Penn.

[Dr.Finger]

The creation of a more "central" universe in the Marvel movies is a great idea, and hopefully it will work out well, but they better get some great directors/actors involved. Having Marvel as the studio itself gives me a little more faith, I mean Iron Man turned out great.

I'm just really curious about who's going to direct the Avengers movie. All of these characters are going to be in their own movies first, with presumably different directors. If they get the wrong guy to do the flick, it could ruin the whole thing. Not to mention the guy writing the script is Zak "I wrote Elektra and X-Men 3" Penn.
Favreau had been lobbying for it, but with Iron Man 2 releasing the same year he can't.

[Gitaroomaan]

Favreau had been lobbying for it, but with Iron Man 2 releasing the same year he can't.

Well, Avengers is actually coming out the year after Iron Man 2, so Favs could do it, but he'd basically have to film the movies back-to-back. I'd love for him to do it though, Iron Man was awesome (though a lot of that also had to do with the close collaboration of Downey Jr, who wrote almost all of his own lines).

[Laughing_Penguin]

What happened to Nick Fury?

He was busy getting those muthafucking snakes off of the muthafucking plane.

[Deadend]

I figure a movie Cap will be more like the Ultimate version, where he is faster and stronger than humanly possible and a tactical genius capable of planning shit out. Basically a stronger Batman who smiles and uses a gun. As Cap uses a gun, he is a soldier after all, and you don't win a war by knocking out Germans.

I am a bit leery about the movies only being 2 months apart, as look at Iron Man and Hulk, they are competing for marketting budget because they are so close together. They should delay the Avengers Movie to mid-august or so, IMO, so that they can clear the Captain America ads and then bum rush the rest of the summer with Avengers.

[Gitaroomaan]

I am a bit leery about the movies only being 2 months apart, as look at Iron Man and Hulk, they are competing for marketting budget because they are so close together. They should delay the Avengers Movie to mid-august or so, IMO, so that they can clear the Captain America ads and then bum rush the rest of the summer with Avengers.

Yeah, the marketing is going to be tricky for that, especially considering that Cap is going to be in BOTH of the films, and presumably play a large part in the Avengers flick. Your average movie-goer is going to see the ads for both and think they're the same movie.

[TrackZero]

Cap is a grea fighter yes, but they usually try to emphasize his leadership skills over everything. He's one of the few guys in the marvel universe most people will actually listen to. Though I guess respect isn't much of a super power.

I dunno about that, just ask Ultimate Nick Fury. ;)

[TheFlyingOrc]

It would probably be most appropriate for them to fight Red Skull, methinks.

[Rock Bandit]

The First Avenger line has me thinking the first movie will be Cap during World War II and ends with him getting blown up and tossed into the sea (basically Ultimates #1 expanded to a whole movie). Then the Avengers movie having Cap found in ice, being thawed out, and forming the Avengers with Iron Man.

[cppcrusader]

Captain America in print is currently one of Marvel's best books, but I have my doubts how a mass market movie based on him will turn out. I am excited for the Avengers movie, but I'm reigning in my excitement until I see a character roster.

Well, obviously at least Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk. Last I heard Downey and Jackson still had cameos in the Hulk.

[digitalErich]

The First Avenger line has me thinking the first movie will be Cap during World War II and ends with him getting blown up and tossed into the sea (basically Ultimates #1 expanded to a whole movie). Then the Avengers movie having Cap found in ice, being thawed out, and forming the Avengers with Iron Man.
I would actually prefer this as they could do the whole Cap adjusting to the modern world deal in the Avengers, but I'm doubting it. Like every other comic movie, you'll get 33% origin story in Cap's standalone movie.

[digitalErich]

Well, obviously at least Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk. Last I heard Downey and Jackson still had cameos in the Hulk.
Those are likely, but nothing has said the roster is limited to those. Just please don't put Wolverine in there.

[Deadend]

I would actually prefer this as they could do the whole Cap adjusting to the modern world deal we've all seen in the Avengers, but I'm doubting it. Like every other comic movie, you'll get 33% origin story in Cap's standalone movie.

To be fair, Cap was brought back in the Avengers Comic. His adjusting to the modern world could be a subplot, along with rehabing Stark and teaching Banner to handle The Hulk... hell, they could even add Wolverine and Spider-Man to the team, or Ant-man as I guess that movie is still being made?

[cppcrusader]

Those are likely, but nothing has said the roster is limited to those. Just please don't put Wolverine in there.

Yeah, I'm sure there will probably be a couple more on the roster. After all, they have to fill in the origin story time with somebody. Honestly though, I like this idea of doing the origin stories of the major players in their own movies first and then doing the team up.

I'm hoping Wolverine is left out in the cold as well.

[6IX]

What happened to Nick Fury?
He went off the "grid" after Secret War. I do believe he is coming back in this year's Secret Invasion.

[joshkdmw]

I wonder if Deadpool showed up - would he know he was in a movie?

[digitalErich]

Yeah, I'm sure there will probably be a couple more on the roster. After all, they have to fill in the origin story time with somebody. Honestly though, I like this idea of doing the origin stories of the major players in their own movies first and then doing the team up.

I'm hoping Wolverine is left out in the cold as well.
I say fill up the origins content with character interaction and conflict. As much as I want to see the Avengers punch shit on the big screen, it would be a waste to not focus on the character elements with some of the acting talent they have behind these heroes.

[Superman's Dead]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

I agree a Cap WWII story would be a fantastic way for the first movie to play out, with a Cap-centric Avengers right afterwards. But that's because I'm biased.

Fear. Like Batman, Cap keeps people scared of him. Except by being sneaky it's by being righteously awesome. Also, like Superman, I find Captain America to be one of the characters in his universe with the most depth. How does he deal when he disagrees with the government? Civil War. Awesome.

Three bullets? Three bullets. THREE. BULLETS.

[Sandman]

I would be happy if this Avengers movie leads to more Marvel Events being turned into movies. Civil War would make an excellent 2 part movie.

[Rock Bandit]

I say fill up the origins content with character interaction and conflict. As much as I want to see the Avengers punch shit on the big screen, it would be a waste to not focus on the character elements with some of the acting talent they have behind these heroes.

They could make a buddy movie featuring just the smart-assed, half-crocked, and slightly smarmy Tony Stark and do-gooder, straight arrow square Steve Rogers bouncing off each other and I'd be there day one.

As for full roster; Cap, Iron Man, and Thor are definates. I hope they put in Hawkeye, work the ex-con getting a second chance angle. I'd imagine him and Cap would have some great scenes together. Maybe Giant Man and Wasp even though I always thought they were pretty lame.

[Kuya Cocoy]

Isn't Hawkeye just Bullseye with arrows? How would marvel sell these two as different sets of "powers?"

[Dr.Finger]

Isn't Hawkeye just Bullseye with arrows? How would marvel sell these two as different sets of "powers?"Hawkeye has a personality that would (or could) shine on film. Bullseye is pretty much just a psychopath.

[Texas Speed]

Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America and Thor. Classic Avengers (well, Ant-Man and Wasp too, I guess, but not good movie characters). Too many and the movie gets bogged down with no individual character development. I've seen it happen before. I'll be perfectly happy with those four.

[SC Spartan]

So no one wants to see Spidey with the Avengers?

But I agree with the whole Ulitmates style for Cap, the enemy would have to be Red Skull, and he could do that thing that he is doing in the comics where he and that guy are sharing the same body.

[Squidbot]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/linvuiet/327.jpg

[Spigot]

I wonder if Deadpool showed up - would he know he was in a movie?Well, he's going to be in the Wolverine: Origins movie. It'd be awesome if he broke the 4th wall, but I doubt it'll happen.

[Ancalagon]

Not to mention the guy writing the script is Zak "I wrote Elektra and X-Men 3" Penn.

Say what? That guy is to writers what Uwe Boll is to directors. The only way this could suck more is Uwe Boll himself directed and starred in it as Cap.

Give it to Jon Favreau! Hes proven himself! Or Christopher Nolan, yes he may be working for DC, but at least he does a good job.

[Spigot]

Say what? That guy is to writers what Uwe Boll is to directors. The only way this could suck more is Uwe Boll himself directed and starred in it as Cap.

Give it to Jon Favreau! Hes proven himself! Or Christopher Nolan, yes he may be working for DC, but at least he does a good job.You'd think after Elektra and X-Men 3 that they wouldn't be giving this guy any more work, at least on the big ticket side of things.

Get David Hayter on it!

[Rock Bandit]

Get David Hayter on it!

And cast him as Hawkeye! How awesome would it be if Hawkeye sounded exactly like Snake.

[Spigot]

And cast him as Hawkeye! How awesome would it be if Hawkeye sounded exactly like Snake.*nerdgasm*

The only way it would have been better would have been if they cast him as Nick Fury, except they went with Sam Jackson and Ultimate Fury instead.

[Sazime]

From the "Fiscally Responsible" dept, the Marvel has decided that having a single blockbuster movie release will not be enough, and are planning for three new movies (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=155942).

From the 'Rama:
Marvel this morning released its First Quarter 2008 numbers this morning, and along with them, news that officially, an Iron Man sequel is slated for 2010 along with Thor, and two “Avenger-themed” movies in summer of 2011: Captain America (May) and The Avengers (July).

Let us not forget that Ant-Man, X-Men Origins: Wolverine and Punisher: War Zone are still set to drop. Start your glee engines... now.

[Wombat]

Yeah, I'm sure there will probably be a couple more on the roster. After all, they have to fill in the origin story time with somebody. Honestly though, I like this idea of doing the origin stories of the major players in their own movies first and then doing the team up.

I'm hoping Wolverine is left out in the cold as well.

My guess is they're going to have to include at least one female Avenger. Was Wasp the first female Avenger. Black Widow would also seem a possibility, just because it wouldn't stretch the special effects budget any further.

[Cyndair]

I've gotta say, super hero movies are one thing I don't mind them milking the heck out of. (Especially if they remain as high caliber as Iron Man, Batman, Spiderman, etc)

[LongStepMantis]

I've gotta say, super hero movies are one thing I don't mind them milking the heck out of. (Especially if they remain as high caliber as Iron Man, Batman, Spiderman, etc)

They just need to know when to quit when they're ahead.

Spider-Man and X-Men would have worked out a lot better if they had stopped before the 3rd of each of them was made.

[CaptStu]

Don't we already have a pretty successful thread on this already?

http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49955

[captainspankypants]

I'm wondering if they're going to do Captain America as WWII-era only, considering he was thawed out by the Avengers in present day, and the Avengers movie isn't coming until after the Captain America movie.

[Sazime]

Spider-Man and X-Men would have worked out a lot better if they had stopped before the 3rd of each of them was made.
Well, Spider-Man had studio hands in the script after the final draft and X-Men saw three different directors, after Singer left the production.

What they need to do is be consistent, and not let Brett Ratner direct one of their movies ever again.

[LongStepMantis]

Well, Spider-Man had studio hands in the script after the final draft and X-Men saw three different directors, after Singer left the production.

What they need to do is be consistent, and not let Brett Ratner direct one of their movies ever again.

The levels of "Ok, what were they thinking!?" in each was just so high.

X-men 3 had Cyclops being killed at the beginning of the movie. No. Just no.
And Nightcrawler, the coolest addition from 2, just didn't reappear, wasn't talked about, nothing. Juggernaut got affected by Leech's anti-mutant field, despite the fact that he isn't a mutant. It makes me wonder if anyone involved had ever read a fucking comic book.

Spider-Man 3 is easier to sum up in its flaws, in three words. Emo Dance Scene. That's all that really needs to be said.

[pabloano]

There is an Origins: Magneto listed through imdb as well... Lame?

[Sazime]

Don't we already have a pretty successful thread on this already?

http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49955
I didn't even see that until now. But, what do I do now....

[LongStepMantis]

There is an Origins: Magneto listed through imdb as well... Lame?

I would rather see that than a Wolverine origins movie.

X-men 1-3 were all essentially about him. We don't need more. And the second was almost entirely about his origins, so it seems kind of pointless.

[CaptStu]

I didn't even see that until now. But, what do I do now....

Now, make this news:

Josh Schwartz, the creator of The OC, Gossip Girl and Chuck, is writing the next installment of the X-Men prequals.

http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50008

[LongStepMantis]

Now, make this news:

Josh Schwartz, the creator of The OC, Gossip Girl and Chuck, is writing the next installment of the X-Men prequals.

http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50008

Fuck it. I give up.

Between these and the G.I. Joe movie coming out, I'm certain that people who make movies now have absolutely lost touch with reality.

[Xerxes]

Dude. They got the guy from Journeyman to be Thor. I like Journeyman, so I like this casting choice.
That's actually pretty awesome. Why is everyone on IMDB having a cow about Sam Jack being Fury. Get over it. :rolleyes:

[Xerxes]

Well, he's going to be in the Wolverine: Origins movie. It'd be awesome if he broke the 4th wall, but I doubt it'll happen.

"To bad they don't want me in the X-Men or Avengers movie. But I get my own movie next year so that's cool. Now where's Hugh Logan."

[Xerxes]

They probably should get on the ball with the next Marvel Ultimate Alliance.

I like how Ghost Rider and Final Four aren't setup for any new sequels.

[Stryfe01]

What happened to Nick Fury?

Spoiler alert!!!!!!!!

Did you see Iron Man?

















*Have to watch past the credits though.

[joshkdmw]

Well, he's going to be in the Wolverine: Origins movie. It'd be awesome if he broke the 4th wall, but I doubt it'll happen.

Aw, but I thought that was one of his powers!

[H1PO]

I agree that Captain America would be best if they set it during WWII, ending with him falling into the ocean and being lost until the Avengers Movie. I am super excited for the Avengers Movie. Me and the owner of the local comic shop were saying "wouldn't it be cool if they made an Avengers Movie?" a few days before Iron Man hit theaters.

[Xerxes]

Holy shit. I would love a WW2 movie with all the crazy super shit going on, and Captain running around all super powered saving the day and setting up the Avengers movie with him in the ocean.

[iPlay_nada]

...they should delay the Avengers Movie to mid-august or so, IMO, so that they can clear the Captain America ads and then bum rush the rest of the summer with Avengers... I concur. Since Marvel is in charge of their own destiny now, they should spread it out a bit more. Maybe Cap for 4th of July (perfect fit for cap) and Avengers for Labor Day?

[SpectralWolf]

The First Avenger line has me thinking the first movie will be Cap during World War II and ends with him getting blown up and tossed into the sea (basically Ultimates #1 expanded to a whole movie). Then the Avengers movie having Cap found in ice, being thawed out, and forming the Avengers with Iron Man.

I love this idea and hope it comes to pass like this.

[Dr.Finger]

I am a bit leery about the movies only being 2 months apart, as look at Iron Man and Hulk, they are competing for marketting budget because they are so close together. They should delay the Avengers Movie to mid-august or so, IMO, so that they can clear the Captain America ads and then bum rush the rest of the summer with Avengers.August is considered kind of a dead zone in movies. Traditionally only second tier 'big' movies release then, and even the big openings (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/month/?mo=08&p=.htm) aren't that impressive.

And I don't think the difference between the promotion of Iron Man and Hulk has much to do with budget and more to do with how Marvel feels/felt about both films. They saw Iron Man turning into something special, and they just don't see that for the Hulk.

[Rock Bandit]

4 reasons why you DO NOT fuck with Captain America.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1024/972042841_08599d18d1_o.jpg

[Anthony W]

4 reasons why you DO NOT fuck with Captain America.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1024/972042841_08599d18d1_o.jpg


Since when do Captain America's punches hurt the Hulk? Is Mark Millar really that lazy? That is just bad writing and there is no way to explain it away.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Spider-Man 3 is easier to sum up in its flaws, in three words. Emo Dance Scene. That's all that really needs to be said.
Well, a major failing of Spider-man 3 was that he WASN'T emo. Sam Raimi was trying to show that Spiderman was some kind of jerk, but failed miserably by giving him an emo haircut. Poor, poor job of communicating what was going on to the audience.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Since when do Captain America's punches hurt the Hulk? Is Mark Millar really that lazy? That is just bad writing and there is no way to explain it away.
Since Ultimate Captain America is stronger and Ultimate Hulk is weaker? I'll hear no insults for Ultimates 1, it was excellent.

[Earth Djinn]

I'm glad they aren't gonna rush it for an '09 release.

Lets just hope they don't suck.

[Anthony W]

Since Ultimate Captain America is stronger and Ultimate Hulk is weaker? I'll hear no insults for Ultimates 1, it was excellent.

You did see the punishment the Hulk was taking and dealing out? Sorry but that scene makes no sense. It was Millar trying to have a "badass" scene that went against everything we had read in the comic up until that point. I know that Hitch is a really great artist and made that scene look pretty but it still doesn't make sense and it snatched me out of a story I was really enjoying.

[Rock Bandit]

Since when do Captain America's punches hurt the Hulk? Is Mark Millar really that lazy? That is just bad writing and there is no way to explain it away.

You also got to realize Cap had just dropped a tank from an airplane right on the Hulk. Then look where he's hitting him.

1- Square in the nose. Even if your the Hulk, your nose is going to get crushed when a super-soldier slams his fist into it send a shockwave of pain through your head.

2- The nards. Even the Wolfman can't take a kick to the nards.

3- In the chin with the shield. Hulk would be hunched over after the low blow. The shield shot straightens him up and sets him up for..

4- Leg sweep. A well placed kick to the back of the knee will bring anyone down.

Then there's also the fact that Hulk recovered from that ass-whupping in a about 5.6 seconds and proceeded to break Cap's arm and turn his face into street pizza. The only other character who could recover so quickly from a Cap beatdown like that would be Wolverine so it was very much in line with everyone's character.

[Ancalagon]

You also got to realize Cap had just dropped a tank from an airplane right on the Hulk. Then look where he's hitting him.

1- Square in the nose. Even if your the Hulk, your nose is going to get crushed when a super-soldier slams his fist into it send a shockwave of pain through your head.

2- The nards. Even the Wolfman can't take a kick to the nards.

3- In the chin with the shield. Hulk would be hunched over after the low blow. The shield shot straightens him up and sets him up for..

4- Leg sweep. A well placed kick to the back of the knee will bring anyone down.

Then there's also the fact that Hulk recovered from that ass-whupping in a about 5.6 seconds and proceeded to break Cap's arm and turn his face into street pizza. The only other character who could recover so quickly from a Cap beatdown like that would be Wolverine so it was very much in line with everyone's character.

Everything I've ever heard about The Hulk, such as withstanding tank rounds, makes me think even a kick to the nards wouldnt stop him.

Cap = pinnacle of human fitness and strength, with excellent leadership qualities and hand to hand combat skills

Hulk = Superhuge mutant with superhuman strength and durability. Can withstand even large calibre weapons and possesses enough strength to, well, do some pretty cool stuff.

And Cap can make him feel pain? Please.

[Rock Bandit]

Again, it wasn't pain, it was a quick combo that stunned him and took him off his feet for all of 5 seconds. The Hulk isn't invunerable, he has a super-fast healing system that can seal up even the most grievous wounds in a matter of seconds. It's not unthinkable a few quick hits in the right spot could take him off his feet. If you know that issue you know it certainly didn't take him out of the fight.

Look later in the book when Thor is wailing on him with Mjolnir. After he does he tells Hulk his lung is pierced, his ribs shattered, and his jaw dislocated. In the time it took him to say that Hulk completely healed and recovered from the attack and bitch-slapped him a few city blocks.

[Spigot]

Well, a major failing of Spider-man 3 was that he WASN'T emo. Sam Raimi was trying to show that Spiderman was some kind of jerk, but failed miserably by giving him an emo haircut. Poor, poor job of communicating what was going on to the audience.The biggest problem with Spider-Man 3 was that the pacing was completely off. It felt like I was watching two movies. One was a pretty cool little superhero flick and the other one seemed to be Generic Teen Romance Drama #409. I understand that Spidey as a character and as a film franchise does tend to focus on his personal life and that's fine... it's just that this one took what might have been about 20 minutes worth of drivel and stretched it out over what seemed like a good hour of the film.

Blarg.

I knew that it had issues when I walked out of the showing of Spidey 3, went into a showing of Silver Surfer and was much more impressed with Silver Surfer.

[MosBen]

Mark my words, the Cap and Avengers movie will be Ultimates Vol. 1 in movie form. The Cap movie will be Cap fighting Nazis in WWII and tracking down some mysterious group helping them. At the end he discovers that the Nazis are being backed by a group of aliens planning an invasion, blows some of their stuff up (setting back their plans 70 years), and is lost at sea. The post credits teaser has Stark and Fury with a Shield team pulling Cap out of the ice.

Then the Avengers movie starts with Stark and Fury thawing Cap out. Initial disagreements lead to the formation of a team, with a montage of Fury going out recruiting. The extent of the invasion revealed, the team finds a way of exposing the shape shifting Skrulls and then blows them up. If Ant-Man is in the movie I expect that he'll die saving everyone.

Also, I hope that the Thor movie goes the Ultimates Vol. 1 route as well and makes it unclear whether Thor is actually a god or just a guy in some really powerful gear.

[SC Spartan]

Well...according to CinemaBlend.com Matthew McConaughey (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Captain-America-May-Be-Matthew-McConaughey-8737.html) may be our Captain America.

DO NOT WANT!

[Grey]

Thoughts?


Maybe someday we will actualy enjoy the suitable video game too.

I just played the first 2 missions of Iron Man - I guess I haven't seen such bad graphics since Half-Life, literally. Totaly dull gameplay included.

When they can afford to spend millions into SFX and CGI for the movies, not to mention any other costs, they could spare more as a coin for an appropriate game.

[Xerxes]

Well...according to CinemaBlend.com Matthew McConaughey (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Captain-America-May-Be-Matthew-McConaughey-8737.html) may be our Captain America.

DO NOT WANT!

THAT'S what they said about RDJ. :o
Although I think Family Guy pretty much nailed him.

[LongStepMantis]

THAT'S what they said about RDJ. :o
Although I think Family Guy pretty much nailed him.

My only real question of having Matthew M play Capt. America is how to remove his permanent "I have a southern accent" accent. Or whatever the hell it is.

Captain America doesn't speak with a drawl. :p

[Spigot]

Maybe someday we will actualy enjoy the suitable video game too.

I just played the first 2 missions of Iron Man - I guess I haven't seen such bad graphics since Half-Life, literally. Totaly dull gameplay included.

When they can afford to spend millions into SFX and CGI for the movies, not to mention any other costs, they could spare more as a coin for an appropriate game.*cough* I kind of like the game. It's not nearly as ugly as people seem to make it out to be, but it is kind of derivative.

It makes for a nice break from GTAIV though.

[Xerxes]

My only real question of having Matthew M play Capt. America is how to remove his permanent "I have a southern accent" accent. Or whatever the hell it is.

Captain America doesn't speak with a drawl. :p

"They were just like we need a good looking guy with a good ass and some tight abs to provide some down home enthusiasm in this picture."

[Grey]

It's not nearly as ugly as people seem to make it out to be,

yes (http://www.abload.de/img/ironman2008-05-0803-34h.jpg), (http://www.abload.de/img/ironman2008-05-0803-d2w.jpg)it (http://www.abload.de/img/ironman2008-05-0803-3hn.jpg) is (http://www.abload.de/img/ironman2008-05-0803-q1q.jpg).

[Ancalagon]

yes (http://www.abload.de/img/ironman2008-05-0803-34h.jpg), (http://www.abload.de/img/ironman2008-05-0803-d2w.jpg)it (http://www.abload.de/img/ironman2008-05-0803-3hn.jpg) is (http://www.abload.de/img/ironman2008-05-0803-q1q.jpg).

my eyes! what have you done?

yet another example of how movie tie in games in one of either of the following cases:

1. Always, always, always.
2. Without exception ever.

[Spigot]

yes (http://www.abload.de/img/ironman2008-05-0803-34h.jpg), (http://www.abload.de/img/ironman2008-05-0803-d2w.jpg)it (http://www.abload.de/img/ironman2008-05-0803-3hn.jpg) is (http://www.abload.de/img/ironman2008-05-0803-q1q.jpg).Ok. I don't want to be this big Iron Man game apologist or anything, but those three still shots do not reflect the look of the game in action in any way, shape or form. I will agree that those shots are just nasty, but I haven't seen anything that looks like that in my time playing it so far.

There are a lot of repetitive enemies but none of the environments that I've been in have looked as bad as that. It might be the kind of thing that you notice if you were to take a screenshot but with the game in motion and things blowing up everywhere, you don't notice things that nasty.

Also, which version of the game was that from? I'm playing the 360 version and it definately doesn't look as bad as that.

[Tel Prydain]

Captain America in print is currently one of Marvel's best books, but I have my doubts how a mass market movie based on him will turn out. I am excited for the Avengers movie, but I'm reigning in my excitement until I see a character roster.

We know him here... but he's considered to be exceptionally lame. Without getting political, he’s kinda seem as an avatar for all of the worst American stereotypes.
If someone wanted you to watch two hours of waving a Chinese flag about, would you go? Or in a more apt analogy – if there was a hero dressed in a Chinese flag who fought off the evil advances of western capitalism…. Would you get pumped for it?
As silly and lame as that sounds, that’s how Captain America comes across. Like ‘Team America’, only without irony.

Even as it was, some of the ‘real American patriot’ lines near the start earned Iron Man some derisive snickers from the crowd I was watching it with. Over here, people didn’t boo, but there was a kind of exasperated moan, when Spiderman posed on an American Flag. Captain America seems like it would be like two hours of the scene over and over again.


More interesting to me is the fact that Deadpool is going to be in the upcoming Xmen/Wolverine movie

[Xerxes]

I like how you brought the same post here. :)
digitalErich most not have gotten the "He won't sell internationally" speech.

[Tel Prydain]

This seemed like a more 'on topic' thread - but it seems dead. I didn't mean to derail the iron man tread.
Too late, huh? :D

[Xerxes]

This seemed like a more 'on topic' thread - but it seems dead. I didn't mean to derail the iron man tread.
Too late, huh? :D

Actually me and H1PO derailed it long before. Only because I read a blurb that made sense about it's international marketability.

[Texas Speed]

I found some more info (http://chud.com/articles/articles/14836/1/THE-OFFICIAL-HANDBOOK-OF-THE-MARVEL-MOTION-PICTURE-UNIVERSE/Page1.html) on the upcoming movies, for those interested. Most of it can be found elsewhere, but I hadn't heard some, and in any case it's all here in one easy chunk:

Marvel is king right now. They took one of their second tier characters and turned him into the surprise hit of the summer. They have The Incredible Hulk coming next month, attempting to bring that franchise back from a dead spot. And they've announced an ambitious slate of films for the next few years, all leading up to The Avengers. They're not fucking around here.

When you get a bunch of internet journalists in a room with Kevin Feige, the head of Marvel Studios, as happened today while we visited the Universal lot to see some Hulk footage, talk will eventually turn to the other Marvel films. Here's a rundown on what Feige had to say:

On Future Crossovers

The sky's the limit right now. It's us being very cautious and careful about how we do these crossovers so that we don't collapse under our own weight - as even every 12 or 15 years the comics do; they revamp and do new number ones and get back to what the characters were all about. I don't want [the movies] to forget what the characters are all about and, knock on wood, the interconnectivity will be that extra bit of fun for comic fans. And I think that everybody that stayed in their seats to watch the Nick Fury scene at the end of Iron Man are, whether they read comic books or not, fans of the bigger Marvel continuity.

On Getting Spider-Man or The X-Men Into Crossovers

Never say never. Who knows. When I was a kid I remember seeing Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny parachuting together in Who Framed Roger Rabbit. The truth is that we're not even considering or thinking about it right now because we've got three to five years of I hope great movies with the characters that we do control, all leading up to The Avengers. We have that core Avengers group, but what happens after that...

I was on the phone with Marvel Studios right after their big announcement a couple of weeks back, and while nobody would tell me the terms of their deals with Sony and Fox, the gist seems to be that as long as the characters are being used, they will not revert back to Marvel Studios. Unless Fox and Sony feel like having some fun, I wouldn't expect to see Spidey or any mutants showing up anytime soon in a Marvel crossover.

On Captain America

First of all, Feige confirmed that the Matthew McConaughey as Cap story was bullshit, as is just about every 'scoop' that comes out of Cinemablend. He also confirmed that the film will be a period piece, set in World War II. He also sadly confirmed that the title is The First Avenger: Captain America and not Captain America: The First Avenger. Boo.

With The First Avenger hitting six weeks before The Avengers, it's sort of obvious that the film will end with Cap frozen somehow, to be awoken in the second film. But I wondered if that meant audiences would need to see The First Avenger to get on The Avengers train. Feige gave the answer comic book guys always give when talking about companywide crossovers:

Each of them have to stand on their own. You won't have to have seen any of the films to understand The Avengers... but it will help.

On The Avengers

Speaking of The Avengers... we know Thor, Cap and Iron Man are in. What about the Hulk? He's been an integral part of the team's history in the Marvel and Ultimate universes.

This is three years down the line, so it's a long way down the road. But surely the Hulk is one of the core members.

As for how The Avengers coming down the pike would affect other Marvel movies, in terms of constraints:

If Louis had come in and said, 'I really want to kill the Hulk'... if someone came in and said, 'Wouldn't it be great to kill Captain America now?,' we probably wouldn't let them. But other than that, it's all about the movies themselves. I don't want to say, 'You can't do this because we want to do that...' because we'll be twisting and turning and have a big mess on our hands. The Thor film is 100% about Thor and is focused on the best way to introduce Thor to the biggest audience. Same thing with The First Avenger. Same thing with this film, with the next Iron Man film.

On Thor

When asked if Thor was a hard concept to pull off in the real world, Feige said:

It's not the real world. The film is not all Asgard, but it's a big chunk.

There is no director or actor attached (look for a director announcement by the end of the summer), he says, but the script continues:

I'm actually getting a new draft in a couple of weeks, but it's the same screenwriter, Mark Protosevitch, who is continuing with some very good input that Matthew [Vaughn] gave us.

On Iron Man 2

Recently Jon Favreau said that he hasn't been signed on to Iron Man 2.

Like most directors, they sign on for one picture. Like Sam Raimi, like Bryan Singer -
Letterier: So they can fire our ass!

It's a rarity to have a multi-picture deal with filmmakers. That said, of course negotiations have started.

What will happen in Iron Man 2? Feige won't say, but he did say that the question will be who is pulling the strings behind Stark Industries and who is pulling the strings behind the Ten Rings. That seems to point directly at The Mandarin.

Come back next week for more on The Incredible Hulk, including what Feige has to say about the possible villain in Hulk 2, and some of the easter egg characters I saw in just three minutes of footage.

Fiege's answers are in italics.

[Xerxes]

The Leader better be the villian for Hulk 2.