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Dr.Finger
04-27-2008, 09:35 AM
Welcome to Week Eighteen of the Official Evil Avatar Comic Book Reviews

Remember, these are NOT spoiler-free reviews.

Evil Avatar’s Weekly Comic Book Reviews – Year 4 – Week 18


Mighty Avengers #12 (A Secret Invasion Tie-In)
Reviewed By: Michael Chauvet (Doctor Finger)
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Writer: Brian Michael Bendis
Artist: Alex Maleev
Colorist: Matt Hollingsworth
Letterer: Dave Lanphear
Editor: Tom Brevoort
$2.99

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Part of the point Marvel has made over and over while selling Secret Invasion is just how long this particular project has been in the planning stages. This issue of Mighty Avengers turns the clock back to the Secret War miniseries (which began in 2004, but didn't end until 2005) where Nick Fury's actions finally forced him to go underground. A month later and Fury seems to be trying to move on in life. He's visited at his Mexican hotel by his old flame Countess Valentina AllegraDefontaine for a little secret agent nookie. But Fury being a suspicious bastard uses his personal cloaking device to follow her when she goes to get breakfast. He finds her meeting with someone who wants his SHIELDpasscodes and his death, in that order. Fury confronts the fake Countess and shoots her in the head, revealing her to be a Skrull . This of course sets off fireworks in Fury's head, and he spends the next few months planning. He meets new SHIELD director Maria Hill in her bedroom, to warn her that forces are conspiring against her. He meets with Spider-Woman, who he'd had installed as a double agent in Hydra, and tells her to go back to SHIELD, so she can be a triple agent. Lastly we get a look at Fury's planning wall, where photos of several dozen individuals, most heroes but a few villains as well, are tacked up. Some have red or blue circles around them, although we don't yet know what those circles mean.

This book is a very insidious tease. After 3+ years out of the spotlight (except for a few phone calls in the Captain America book) we finally get a look at what Nick Fury has been up to. You know Fury's going to play a big role in this event, and while filling us in on what Fury's been doing, it also teases you with what he's going to do. And that last page, with a bunch of pretty A-list heroes with circles around their names, makes me even more excited. However I'm not quite sure what it has to do with the Mighty Avengers. The only member of the team that appears in it at all is Spider-Woman, and she's only in three or four pages. I understand, and actually applaud, Marvel's decision not to just dump this in another tie-in miniseries, but it leads me to believe that both Avengers books will be in 'fill in the gaps' mode for most of this event. Still it's a fun book, and Bendis' script here is as tight as we've seen from him in a while. He reels in his tendency towards overly jokey characters while still retaining his usually whip smart dialogue.

By the way, can anyone tell me who Maleev is drawing Nick Fury to resemble in this panel?
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The face is familiar, but I just can't say from where.

Bottom Line:
A fun look back at the last few years of Fury's life also functions as a pretty good tease for Secret Invasion to come.

Rating: Worth your time and money (4 out of 5 EvilEyes)
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Hulk vs Hercules: When Titans Collide One-Shot
Reviewed By: Michael Chauvet (Doctor Finger)
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Writers: Greg Pak & Fred Van Lente
Artists: Khoi Pham, Paul Neary, Denis Calero, Eric Nguyen, Reilly Brown, Carlos Cuevas, Terry Pallot, Chris Sotomayor, Bob Layton & Guru EFx
Letterer: Joe Caramagna
Editor: Mark Paniccia
$3.99

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Greg Pak and Fred Van Lente's new Hercules book spun out of World War Hulk, so a special highlighting a heretofore unseen meeting between the two titans is a bit of a no-brainer. This story, framed by Hercules' and Amadeus Cho's current road trip with Athena, is set many years back, when a still simple Hulk was banished to the crossroads of reality by Doctor Strange. For a time Hulk was doomed to travel from reality to reality until he found the one that finally made him happy. He eventually makes his way to the Olympian plane, where he befriends two Giants maimed in the last uprising against he Olympians. They're enjoying a drink and a bit of roast boar with Hulk when Ares drops in and attacks them for stealing his boar. Hulk simply blocks Ares' attack and knocks Ares cold. The giants then manipulate Hulk into attacking Olympus directly, where who should greet him but Hercules. They engage in a fight that can only be called epic, which is only stopped when the Giants, led by Zeus' sire Cronos, attack Olympus. Hulk initially joins the fight on the side of the gods, but he's stunned when Hercules casually kills Hulk's giant friends while seeking out Cronos. Herc pushes the giants back off of Olympus, and offers Hulk his hand in victory. But Hulk is crushed by the deaths of his friends, and that unhappiness triggers Doctor Strange's spell, and he's whisked back to the Crossroads. All of this is told to Cho by Athena to try and prove to him that his buddy Hercules can be just as dangerous as any monster.

Pak and Van Lente once again hit it out of the park. The story, as illustrated by a metric ton of artists, is at first glance just an excuse to show a battle between Hercules and the Hulk, and that's absolutely part of the draw. But it also reinforces the theme they've been exploring in Hercules' book, that as nice and cuddly Hercules may seem, he's a danger to himself and everyone around him. There's this sense of menace building throughout the series so far, and it's just a question who snaps first, Herc or Cho.

Bottom Line:
A great throwdown between Herc and Hulk, that also once again gives another sheen of depth to Hercules' character.

Rating: A must own! (5 out of 5 EvilEyes)
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Quick Hits
Batman #675 - When a woman figures out that Bruce Wayne is Batman it's pretty much a sure bet that she's going to die because of it, so don't get too attached to Jezebel Jet IMO.
Thor #8 - JMS continues to make Thor more interesting than he's been since Walt Simonson stopped writing the character. It's more mythological than superhero-y, but it's a very impressive book.

Sandman
04-27-2008, 09:47 AM
No Countdown review? I'm on issue 9 of countdown and will probably finish it before Wed's DC U 0.

Xerxes
04-27-2008, 10:00 AM
I always wondered if Herc was strong as Hulk? Not just that, but how does Norse and Greek mythology mingle with both Herc and Thor running around?

Spigot
04-27-2008, 10:35 AM
So, did anyone else pick up the Deadpool Classic trade last week? I haven't gotten around to reading it yet, but it's the next on my pile o' things to read.

I forget if it came out last week or the week before, but whoever is drawing Ghost Rider right now needs to stop trying to emulate John Romita Jr.

Khash
04-27-2008, 11:20 AM
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That would be Dominic Purcell from Prison Break.

Dr.Finger
04-27-2008, 01:43 PM
No Countdown review? I'm on issue 9 of countdown and will probably finish it before Wed's DC U 0.I'm working on a Countdown story for Johnny Gigawatt, but it wasn't going to be ready for this week's reviews.

Kefkataran
04-27-2008, 01:45 PM
My review of Countdown #1: LOL.

gg, DC. kthxbai.

Sandman
04-27-2008, 01:46 PM
My review of Countdown #1: LOL.

gg, DC. kthxbai.

Just like I've been telling Sazime, I think DC gets alot better post-Countdown. Hell even Trinity sounds 100x better.

Kefkataran
04-27-2008, 01:47 PM
Just like I've been telling Sazime, I think DC gets alot better post-Countdown. Hell even Trinity sounds 100x better.

I certainly hope they will. I mean, yeah, I'm way more excited about Final Crisis and Trinity than I ever was about Countdown (past the first week or so). But still, Countdown was so god-awful and pointless that it's nigh unforgivable. No idea what they were thinking.

Sandman
04-27-2008, 01:49 PM
I certainly hope they will. I mean, yeah, I'm way more excited about Final Crisis and Trinity than I ever was about Countdown (past the first week or so). But still, Countdown was so god-awful and pointless that it's nigh unforgivable. No idea what they were thinking.

"We are going to follow up the awesome story of 52 with 1 year of build up to our next big event...."

weeks into Countdown...

"Wow, what were we thinking...we need some filler, stat."

Kefkataran
04-27-2008, 01:51 PM
But I mean... it hasn't even been a build-up to their next event. That's part of the problem. They billed it as building into Final Crisis, but Grant Morrison has said Final Crisis is in no way related to Countdown and DC people have been stressing that there's not much of a connection for a month or two now.

Sandman
04-27-2008, 01:57 PM
But I mean... it hasn't even been a build-up to their next event. That's part of the problem. They billed it as building into Final Crisis, but Grant Morrison has said Final Crisis is in no way related to Countdown and DC people have been stressing that there's not much of a connection for a month or two now.

I wouldn't be surprised if at one point they just decided to forget it all happened. To be honest I missed a whole lot of the weeks and only picked it back up at around week 13 and didn't feel like I needed to go back.

SC Spartan
04-27-2008, 02:03 PM
All I know is that the "Who monitors the Monitors" line in Countdown makes me want to burn the book.

Sazime
04-27-2008, 04:06 PM
That would be Dominic Purcell from Prison Break.
No no no, it would be Nick Fury, aka Samuel Jackson, from the Ultimate Universe. :P

Sazime
04-27-2008, 04:22 PM
They billed it as building into Final Crisis, but Grant Morrison has said Final Crisis is in no way related to Countdown and DC people have been stressing that there's not much of a connection for a month or two now.
No, they billed it as a weekly book meant to tie all the other DC books together. It was halfway through when sales were lagging because of its sucktitude they decide to let us know Final Crisis was on its way, and Countdown would tie into it, which it hasn't. It was a complete waste of time. The characters ran a complete circle. Welcome to the status quo.

DC editorial has no idea what the fuck they're doing, and Trinity doesn't look to be any better. There's no way I'm paying for a weekly anthology (it's 14 pages of new followed by various fill ins every week, it's an anthology) that has nothing to do with the DCU other than the characters. Just as with Starlin, if they want a different JLA title, for gods sake take it the fuck away from the people running roughshod over it right now and give it to Busiek. I would rather have a great JLA book every month than one shitty book, one good one running for 6 issues and weekly book that amounts to nothing. Oh, and you want to know they're latest selling point? INTERLOCKING COVERS!!! Great, you know that it's gonna be a tough sell because of the reputation for poor content, so you're gonna give us something the speculators like. Welcome back to the 90s.

Speaking of pointless, I would take 2.5 stars off that score Doc, because it's half a book. It was a Herc issue with a B&W preview and a reprinted story that means nothing to us any more. If I want to read archived issues, I'll by a Visionary trade or an essential. Charging me an extra dollar for something that already exists is a horrible way to do business. It's like Death in the Family, or any number of other annuals where "double sized" means "we're lazy and we're gonna give you something you already have access to." I liked the story, but the "64 Pages!" crap on the cover is a mockery.

Yes, I am angry today.

Kefkataran
04-27-2008, 04:25 PM
No, they billed it as a weekly book meant to tie all the other DC books together. It was halfway through when sales were lagging because of its sucktitude they decide to let us know Final Crisis was on its way, and Countdown would tie into it, which it hasn't.

Wrong. The very name Countdown implies that it's counting down to something, and DC said from the start that this series would lead into their next big event. They added Final Crisis on after they'd revealed the name of said event, although, yes, adding that probably was in part to help flagging sales. But the connection had been pushed from the start.

DC editorial has no idea what the fuck they're doing, and Trinity doesn't look to be any better.

Definitely agreed from the first part, but I'm still trusting Busiek... for now.

Sazime
04-27-2008, 04:32 PM
Definitely agreed from the first part, but I'm still trusting Busiek... for now.
Yeah, in my current state, I can't trust anyone, I just want to kill.

Sorry if I seem a little inflammatory, I'm just wishing death and destruction on all right now. :(

Savok
04-27-2008, 05:19 PM
You're missing DC's great plan. Countdown ties into Final Crisis purely on the basis that it was so crap, Final Crisis is going to be fucking Dark Knight Returns by comparison. Countdown was there simply to lower the bar.

In other news I see Bendis has completely abandoned the idea of any Avengers book being about the Avengers now, nice work there.

God, Hercules... if you'd told me one of the best books around would involve constant mythology flashbacks I'd of smacked you upside the head. Yet here we are.

Skywalkr
04-27-2008, 05:27 PM
I think all this reading of trades over the past few years has ruined me for single issues. I get through a single issue in so little time it feels like nothing at all... of course, that might be because things aren't plotted to fit into a single issue anymore (as they were generally in days of yore).

That said, I absolultely loved MA#12. I lol'd when I saw Fury's disguise, and seeing all the pieces begin falling into place was great. Sadly the Fury-board seems like a weak-but-obvious ripoff of 52, although I really want to see what it spills into.

Sazime
04-27-2008, 05:36 PM
You're missing DC's great plan. Countdown ties into Final Crisis purely on the basis that it was so crap, Final Crisis is going to be fucking Dark Knight Returns by comparison. Countdown was there simply to lower the bar.
...finally some more Vulcan wisdom... HEED IT!!!
Sadly the Fury-board seems like a weak-but-obvious ripoff of 52, although I really want to see what it spills into.
Eh, we've seen it before, it's just that DC used it so masterfully last year that seeing it again always reminds you of it. :)

MosBen
04-27-2008, 06:25 PM
I find it wonderfully ironic that in the early days of Countdown/run up to Death of the New Gods there was lots of talk about the 4th World and how just about everyone that touched it post-Kirby ended up with crap and then the story that ends the 4th World ends up crap as well.

Spigot
04-27-2008, 08:23 PM
You're missing DC's great plan. Countdown ties into Final Crisis purely on the basis that it was so crap, Final Crisis is going to be fucking Dark Knight Returns by comparison. Countdown was there simply to lower the bar.Wow. For once I actually agree with Savok! AH!

It really frightened me when I was reading the Countdown Wiki with there being about 2 weeks left in the 'event' and was even less knowledgable about what had gone on over the past year than I was when I started reading it.

And are you kidding me? Are they really saying that Countdown has nothing to do with Final Crisis? After all that? Sheesh.

I'm going to read Final Crisis but if the first issue of Trinity doesn't knock my socks off, I'm skipping it and waiting for the trade. I have about 20 issues of Countdown ready to be used as emergency baby wipes in the meantime...

Kefkataran
04-28-2008, 12:54 AM
You're missing DC's great plan. Countdown ties into Final Crisis purely on the basis that it was so crap, Final Crisis is going to be fucking Dark Knight Returns by comparison. Countdown was there simply to lower the bar.

Didio is far more brilliant than I give him credit for.

God, Hercules... if you'd told me one of the best books around would involve constant mythology flashbacks I'd of smacked you upside the head. Yet here we are.

For real.

I find it wonderfully ironic that in the early days of Countdown/run up to Death of the New Gods there was lots of talk about the 4th World and how just about everyone that touched it post-Kirby ended up with crap and then the story that ends the 4th World ends up crap as well.

I've heard Death of the New Gods was actually alright. I dug the couple issues I read.

Sazime
04-28-2008, 01:06 AM
I've heard Death of the New Gods was actually alright. I dug the couple issues I read.
I enjoyed it. I would have liked it more if they would have left any hint of it out of Countdown, or just left it all in Countdown, personally.

In fact, looking back on it, you can see how different events should have tied into Countdown more directly, or how Countdown was stretched out between issues because they realized they didn't have all the content they needed.

Eh, mishandled from day one I guess. Maybe Trinity won't be that bad...

Savok
04-28-2008, 01:30 AM
I've heard Death of the New Gods was actually alright. I dug the couple issues I read.
It really wasn't. It made less sense then Countdown, read like bad fanfiction and was a story Starlin had already done with Thanos anyway. The only remotely amusing part is when Darkseid set himself on fire as some sort of DBZ power-up, that was so awful I laughed.

For extra sad, try and place it in continuity, it just doesn't work. Especially with one of the dead characters from it coming back for Final Crisis somehow.

Kefkataran
04-28-2008, 01:31 AM
For extra sad, try and place it in continuity, it just doesn't work. Especially with one of the dead characters from it coming back for Final Crisis somehow.

Hard to comment on characters coming back from the dead meaning broken continuity before the story is actually out. It's comics, after all.

Savok
04-28-2008, 01:34 AM
I know but we just had this sad, pointless death and they're already back?

What is this, Jean Grey?

Kefkataran
04-28-2008, 01:35 AM
I know but we just had this sad, pointless death and they're already back?

What is this, Jean Grey?

Basically. I mean the whole point of the New Gods dying was to usher in this "Fifth World". I'm basically reading that as "New Gods back again with less continuity." Which is stupid, yes.

Xerxes
04-28-2008, 01:35 AM
I always wondered if Herc was strong as Hulk? Not just that, but how does Norse and Greek mingle with Herc and Thor running around?

Bump... ANSWER!!! :o

MosBen
04-28-2008, 06:13 AM
My understanding of Marvel's strenth levels is that it's based on how many tons a character can bench press up to 100 tons, after which the characters are just "100+ Class." I think both Herc and Hulk are 100+, so it's probably more dependent on the writer of a particular story than a hard and fast rule. My feeling is that they'd be pretty even at Hulk's "normal" level (whatever that is anymore) but that Hulk can keep getting stronger as the fight goes one and he gets more pissed off.

MosBen
04-28-2008, 06:14 AM
Oh, and the mythology stuff. I know the pantheons get mentioned quite a bit, but I don't know any specific times that Herc or Thor have had any specific dealings with the other's pantheon or if the pantheons themselves have either teamed up or clashed ever. Seems like a decent enough idea for a story though....

Spigot
04-28-2008, 06:21 AM
Gah. I just read the first tale in the Deadpool Classic trade that came out last week and while I guess it's cool to see Deadpool's first appearance, it's was almost physically painful to sit through an entire issue of Liefeld's 'art'.

Thank Stan that he only drew one issue of the things collected in the book. What really frightens me is that I recognized at least 2-3 pages from that "Worst Liefeld Drawings" page.

Dr.Finger
04-28-2008, 06:23 AM
As fas as I know the official Marvel answer is that Hulk is stronger. He's not a fighter the way Hercules is, but Hulk, especially when angry, is the strongest.

Skywalkr
04-28-2008, 06:25 AM
Bump... ANSWER!!! :o

I don't understand the question...

Xerxes
04-28-2008, 10:00 AM
I don't understand the question...

That's very sad for you then. :p

Xerxes
04-28-2008, 10:03 AM
As fas as I know the official Marvel answer is that Hulk is stronger. He's not a fighter the way Hercules is, but Hulk, especially when angry, is the strongest.

That makes sense. Then there is Namor. He can beat the Hulk up right?

Dr.Finger
04-28-2008, 12:35 PM
That makes sense. Then there is Namor. He can beat the Hulk up right?I hate the 'X can beat up Y' discussion. Namor can beat Hulk if the writer wants it to happen, simple as that. :D

But if you're asking about power, then probably. Namor is considered, along with Thor, Silver Surfer, Dr. Doom and Magneto to be one of the most powerful regular characters at Marvel.

digitalErich
04-28-2008, 12:39 PM
You know what's worse than 'X vs. Y' stuff? The concept of Omega mutants. It's stupid and lame.

Also, you forgot Black Bolt in that list of Marvel heavy hitters :)

Dr.Finger
04-28-2008, 12:48 PM
You know what's worse than 'X vs. Y' stuff? The concept of Omega mutants. It's stupid and lame.

Also, you forgot Black Bolt in that list of Marvel heavy hitters :)I think that just started out as shorthand for really powerful mutant, but some writers took it a bit too literally.

And Black Bolt does belong on the list, absolutely. He's one of my favorite characters of all time.

digitalErich
04-28-2008, 12:52 PM
That could be the case and to be fair most of the Omega talk, where the word gets thrown around, seemed to come out of the 90's which says a lot.

The only thing I've ever really liked about the whole Omega concept is that Iceman got labeled as one somewhere along the way. No one has ran with it yet, but it would be an interesting arc to see him take his powers, even temporarily, to really out there levels.

Sazime
04-28-2008, 01:00 PM
You know what's worse than 'X vs. Y' stuff? The concept of Omega mutants. It's stupid and lame.
Whaaa? Really? I liked the idea that some mutants were just insanely more powerful than others. As long as it's not overuse, I think it makes sense and can generate some interesting stories.

Now, if you're talking about that Apocalypse story line, well, it was the nineties.

Dr.Finger
04-28-2008, 01:09 PM
That could be the case and to be fair most of the Omega talk, where the word gets thrown around, seemed to come out of the 90's which says a lot.

The only thing I've ever really liked about the whole Omega concept is that Iceman got labeled as one somewhere along the way. No one has ran with it yet, but it would be an interesting arc to see him take his powers, even temporarily, to really out there levels.They actually did something like that with Iceman in the past. During 'Acts of Vengeance' (in which the Marvel villains switched opponents, so you ended up with Daredevil fighting Ultron for example) X-Factor fought Loki, and he screwed up Iceman's powers enough that he had to wear an inhibitor belt to control them. He was powerful enough at that point that he was able to freeze the entire Empire State Building during Inferno. Later on they amped his powers up again so that he could actually become ice, although he ended up trapped in his ice form for a while.

Xerxes
04-28-2008, 01:10 PM
That could be the case and to be fair most of the Omega talk, where the word gets thrown around, seemed to come out of the 90's which says a lot.

The only thing I've ever really liked about the whole Omega concept is that Iceman got labeled as one somewhere along the way. No one has ran with it yet, but it would be an interesting arc to see him take his powers, even temporarily, to really out there levels.

I think Gambit got labeled one too didn't he.

Sazime
04-28-2008, 01:22 PM
I think Gambit got labeled one too didn't he.
His Omega power isn't his mutant power, it's his ability to be totally sexy. Rawr!