Nintendo Prepping 'Big' Holiday

[Phanto]

Fils-Aime says Wii maker will reveal "new content maximizing all of our key franchises" at E3 in July.

From Gamespot. (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6187886.html)
Fils-Aime didn't divulge details on what said products in key franchises would be, but he did mention that Nintendo has an ace up its sleeve to capture gamers' mindshare during this year's holiday rush. "There's going to be a big game for the holidays that the gamers will want," said the former Nintendo VP of sales and marketing. "All I can tell you is that what we announce during E3 is going to be fantastic. The gamers are going to be excited and the expanded audience is going to be excited."

[mkelehan]

And then it will be delayed into next year, but it will indeed be one of the best games of 2009. We've had this dance before, Nintendo.

[SBKidJamX]

could it be Super Smash Bros Kart Party?

[Evil Avnovice]

I want Mario Tennis and Pikmin 3.

[Serapth]

What tired franchise are they going to milk this time?

[Talon-]

We haven't seen a true Donkey Kong game in a while, but, honestly, that was Rare's cup of tea. Mario Tennis seems to be a good guess. Too soon for another Zelda. Kirby isn't actually that exciting.

How about a Star Fox Wii, Nintendo? Eh? Come on, Reg, you know you like it.

What tired franchise are they going to milk this time?

Hate on, sir.

[Worldcrafter]

MGS4 for the Wii. I'm calling it now.

[Philonious]

Wii Sports 2.

[kokyunage]

Starcraft 2, exclusively on the Wii and PC.

[Serapth]

Speaking to GameTrailers TV, Fils-Aime told the host that Nintendo would be laying out its lineup for the rest of the year at the show, and said, "We're going to have great new content maximizing all of our key franchises, it's going to be a good second half."

Seriously, expect nothing new.

[Generation ABXY]

What tired franchise are they going to milk this time?

Probably Halo.

What? Oh, you're talking about Nintendo...nevermind then.

[Evil Avnovice]

As a matter of fact: Wave Race. Wave Race: Blue Storm had a few scratches, but I always thought it was a crime that Nintendo didn't give either that or 1080 Snowboarding (GC) any sort of follow-ups.

Edit: I'm still waiting for Luigi's Mansion. http://www.mazeguy.net/angry/biting.gif

[Serapth]

Probably Halo.

What? Oh, you're talking about Nintendo...nevermind then.

LOL! you want to compare Halo milkage with Nintendo?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

The only company that comes close is Square/Enix.

[Generation ABXY]

LOL! you want to compare Halo milkage with Halo?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

Are the two unrelated?

[Serapth]

Are the two unrelated?

Typo, my bad.

[Opty]

So Halo, a game with 2 sequels near within one console lifespan is milked less than a Mario game which only comes once per console? Or are you implying any game Mario's appeared in counts as a "Mario" game?

[Siraris]

Super Princess Peach 3: The Search for Super Princess Peach 2.

[Yellowman]

You know I hear that Nintendo make Wii games by grinding up children to try and distill their childish sense of wonder.

[EternalGamer]

It's Animal Crossing, with full online functionality!*


*online play requires internet connect and a $9.99 monthy service fee payable to Nintendo of America. .

[Heretic Machine]

This generation is awesome... every other piece of news that gets posted is a new dick in the ear of every Nintendo-hater out there. Anyhow, my money is on a Zelda title; possibly in the form of a jRPG (just a suspicion of mine since they said that TP was the last traditional Zelda title, nothing else to base it on).

[Talon-]

Speaking to GameTrailers TV, Fils-Aime told the host that Nintendo would be laying out its lineup for the rest of the year at the show, and said, "We're going to have great new content maximizing all of our key franchises, it's going to be a good second half."

Seriously, expect nothing new.

In his defense, he at least said "maximize" instead of "exploit" like this man (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/12/05).

Seriously though, who isn't going to try to use their key franchises in the fullest way possible. Name recognition -> purchases -> $$$.

[Yellowman]

In his defense, he at least said "maximize" instead of "exploit" like this man (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/12/05).

Seriously though, who isn't going to try to use their key franchises in the fullest way possible. Name recognition -> purchases -> $$$.

When Nintendo do it it's evil though. Welcome to EvAv, please enjoy the bias.

[Serapth]

When Nintendo do it it's evil though. Welcome to EvAv, please enjoy the bias.

Actually, when they all do it, its pretty evil. Personally I don't think Halo is a good counterpoint since frankly there have only been 3 Halos since 1999. That said, with HaloWars and another Halo game all under works, I can see it being true shortly.

I like how people rebuke with Halo, assuming everyone actually gives a shit about Halo. If it didnt have co-op I frankly wouldnt even buy it.

That said, Final Fantasy is one of the worst milked titles out there. SplinterCell seems to be getting their quickly, etc... All platforms have their share of milkage, just not come close to Nintendo. Well... or EA sports games, but...

[Karmakin]

Actually, Miyamoto (and remember, he's in charge of pretty much all game development for Nintendo. I'm pretty sure that Iwata, who's no slouch either, goes by Miyamoto's judgement.) revealed why he kept on going back to the same characters. His background is in industrial design, and in that, why create new parts when you can make off-the-shelf parts work just fine? The people who will be working (or in this case playing) the product will have a language of reference to use so they don't start out blank. Mushrooms make you bigger/stars make you invincible, and so on. Once the basics are down (and lets be honest. The Mushroom Kingdom basics are some of the most well-known in the industry) you can spend all your time fine-tuning and making it just perfect, instead of just..well..making it.

It works.

Anyway, my guess is either one of two things. Kid Icarus (that rumored Factor 5 project maybe? Kid Icarus Rebel Squadron would work. Think Panzer Dragoon.), or whatever the fuck Retro Studios are working on. That said, I have a feeling that E3 probably is mostly going to be about WiiWare for Nintendo, and that feeling says rightfully so.

[king3567]

If it is Animal Crossing, I will be severely disappointed. Why? Not because I dislike the franchise (I like it alot), but because they already announced, albeit discretely, Animal Crossing Wii is coming this fall. Zelda would not be too surprising because of all the, "sooner than you think! (until we delay it!) statements. It better be a proper sequel to Wind Waker and not in the vein of the crap that was Twilight Princess...Realistically, it is probably a Kirby game since it was delayed awhile back. But, Kirby has pretty much sucked since 64...

My two cents on the whole milking thing is that Nintendo milks their characters for all their worth with shitty sports/party games left and right. They milk their brand name, in my opinion, more than EA or Square. But, they take their time to make their true games good. If Nintendo just released the real games and not the shitty spinoffs, they would be held in much higher regard.

EDIT: Agree with the guy below me. I think Kid Icarus, Kirby, Animal Crossing, and just maybe a new Zelda will be released this fall. They would be stupid not to do the first three, and it would probably be wise to release the fourth sooner rather than later. But, E3 will probably just hold a shitload of unwanted WiiWare titles that, in all honesty, I will never play.

[Karmakin]

That said, Final Fantasy is one of the worst milked titles out there

I disagree completely, at least until recently. And even then, it's just barely. Each individual Final Fantasy game could have been called by a different name, really. It wouldn't have changed very much. Final Fantasy is more of a studio, an overall brand than it is a series. Just my opinion 'tho.

Even the recent double-dips, the GBA/DS remakes, are not milking it. Why? What is it..10 years or so between when the SNES titles were released and when the GBA remake was made? I for one don't want these games to fall down the memory hole. I'm ALL for games being rereleased. That the games had added features and were not too expensive was a bonus.

How about the VII games? Errr. Maybe. The world was interesting enough to go further in depth with. Still no problem there really.

Actual milking of IP? It's just not that bad, and in gaming sequels are actually a good thing, it allows for refined gameplay. I think that DLC kinda changes things, and that for additional content DLC is better than a sequel, unless you're going to update the basic engine, but it might take it from a one game a year to a game every two years type thing.

[Loganrapp]

Actually, when they all do it, its pretty evil. Personally I don't think Halo is a good counterpoint since frankly there have only been 3 Halos since 1999.


And game fuel. And the Halo Heroclix in production. And the novels. And a comic (I'm sure there's one out there).

Halo has reached market saturation in a way Nintendo has not done, in a fraction of the time. It's in effect worse than what Nintendo's done. Nintendo's had these characters for years, some decades, and it's been proven time and time again that people just don't get tired of them. So yeah, they're not idiots.

Microsoft has only had nine years, three iterations of a game, and they've "milked" that IP as much if not more. I believe more.

And the only console I own is a 360, but I can see exploitation as clear as day. I'll still play it, of course. But let's not be naive.

[Talon-]

I think the difference with Nintendo milking their IPs (and a lot of us not having a problem with it) is that these games have traditionally been good. Mario Tennis, Mario Kart, Mario Golf, and Mario Party*.

But, let's take a look a better look at this. We have Super Mario Strikers and Mario Superstar Baseball. The Strikers games were actually pretty fun, but these games aren't near as good as the Tennis series. Seriously, we even have a DDR Mario Mix. That's crossing the line.

While I certainly don't blame them for milking Mario and his buds, those older games had a certain air of quality around them. DDR Mario Mix, on the other hand, is just shameless.

*Disclaimer: Although I do love Mario Party, they clearly didn't need to make 853 of them.

[Variable Gear]

Even the recent double-dips, the GBA/DS remakes, are not milking it. Why? What is it..10 years or so between when the SNES titles were released and when the GBA remake was made? I for one don't want these games to fall down the memory hole. I'm ALL for games being rereleased. That the games had added features and were not too expensive was a bonus.

The rerelease of FFIV-FFIV on the DS is milking it. They did the GBA versions (which were filled with slowdown, embarrassingly) and now they are wasting our lives with the DS versions. They don't even want to put them on the VC because they want to push people into paying $39.99 for the definitive version. It's a money-grab tactic, and if you don't see it you aren't looking very hard.

*Disclaimer: Although I do love Mario Party, they clearly didn't need to make 853 of them.

Sure they don't. MP3 was the best one to me, but enough people still buy it (Madden) that not producing the game is a waste of money. It's all about money, so Nintendo will make them forever.

[Talon-]

The rerelease of FFIV-FFIV on the DS is milking it. They did the GBA versions (which were filled with slowdown, embarrassingly) and now they are wasting our lives with the DS versions. They don't even want to put them on the VC because they want to push people into paying $39.99 for the definitive version. It's a money-grab tactic, and if you don't see it you aren't looking very hard.

I'd say the first one was more of a money grab than this upcoming one. By all reports, the translation was still bad in the first one, and they made few improvements. On the otherhand, the DS rerelease of FFV was reportedly fantastic, and I hope FFIV is just as good.

Honestly, I am so glad that Square is rereleasing these games 'cause I don't want to have to experience them on an emulator. It's also a foregone conclusion that we'll get an updated FFVII at some point.

[Camel]

Since first party games are the only reason I buy Nintendo consoles, I certainly don't have a problem with them maximizing their key franchises.

Baaaa!

[Meatgortex]

I'm smelling a Megaton announcement, but it is quite possible I'm just a bitter old man.

[Deadend]

And game fuel. And the Halo Heroclix in production. And the novels. And a comic (I'm sure there's one out there).

Halo has reached market saturation in a way Nintendo has not done, in a fraction of the time. It's in effect worse than what Nintendo's done. Nintendo's had these characters for years, some decades, and it's been proven time and time again that people just don't get tired of them. So yeah, they're not idiots.

Microsoft has only had nine years, three iterations of a game, and they've "milked" that IP as much if not more. I believe more.

And the only console I own is a 360, but I can see exploitation as clear as day. I'll still play it, of course. But let's not be naive.
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Do I need to bust out the soap, beach towel, Captain N, the Mcdonalds toys, the t-shirts, the pogs, the playing cards, the action figures, the bedsheets. And that is just Mario.

Or what about Mario Tennis, Sonic and Mario Olympics, Mario Party (9 fucking games!) Mario Baseball, Mario Soccer, Mario Basketball, Mario RPG, Mario Typing.

So... What I am thinking is... Halo ain't got shit on Mario in terms of spin offs, Halo crap also tends to not be utter crap in teh way the Nintendo marketing crap is.

This fall is a new Mario Party... Wii Sports 2, Nintendogs Wii, Animal Crossing Wii. They will also be extremely boring, try nothing new but sell 2 million each.

[Variable Gear]

My Wish List would include:

* Pikmin 3
* Whatever Retro is working on...Man, Retro rocks!
* A modern-day Zelda
* An episodic Mario game
* A new Kid Icarus game Not by Factor-5
* Animal Crossing Wii Wild World sucks!!
* And, whatever Miyamoto has dreamed up...


Honestly, I am so glad that Square is rereleasing these games 'cause I don't want to have to experience them on an emulator. It's also a foregone conclusion that we'll get an updated FFVII at some point.

I'd still say it's a money grab by definition. They don't want me to pay $8 for FFVI, and instead they want me to pay $39.99. I'm not going to pay $39.99 for any of them if there is slowdown, but if there isn't slowdown I'll wait for the reviews. SE, just give people the option to download the classics on the VC (Chrono Trigger) and my criticism would go away.
I love how I talk to them as if I expect a response. It ain't happening...

[IndependentGMR]

This fall is a new Mario Party... Wii Sports 2, Nintendogs Wii, Animal Crossing Wii. They will also be extremely boring, try nothing new but sell 2 million each.

That is really just a matter of opinion, is it not? How many companies are really trying new things these days anyway?

As far as milking goes, I have to say that Nintendo does push it a bit, but they are only doing what any other company would do. If you have a brand that continues to sell, why not spin it into multiple products? Fuck, if I found something to sell that made me a ton of money, I would continue to push it until I got every penny I could out of it.

On a side note, I would say that Capcom is one of the worst offenders. How many iterations of Street Fight II have there been? How many different consoles has the same resident evil games been released on?

[Deadend]

That is really just a matter of opinion, is it not? How many companies are really trying new things these days anyway?

As far as milking goes, I have to say that Nintendo does push it a bit, but they are only doing what any other company would do. If you have a brand that continues to sell, why not spin it into multiple products? Fuck, if I found something to sell that made me a ton of money, I would continue to push it until I got every penny I could out of it.

On a side note, I would say that Capcom is one of the worst offenders. How many iterations of Street Fight II have there been? How many different consoles has the same resident evil games been released on?

I don't mind Nintendo milking... I mind that everyone treats it like they are trying something crazy and new. And when I mean nothing new... I mean Animal Crossing Wii will be really hard to tell apart from Animal Crossing DS aside from the graphics and comparing feature sheets.

[Talon-]

I'd still say it's a money grab by definition. They don't want me to pay $8 for FFVI, and instead they want me to pay $39.99. I'm not going to pay $39.99 for any of them if there is slowdown, but if there isn't slowdown I'll wait for the reviews. SE, just give people the option to download the classics on the VC (Chrono Trigger) and my criticism would go away.
I love how I talk to them as if I expect a response. It ain't happening...

Well, hell yeah, it is a money grab. I only think it's less of one because they're actually updating the games, adding CG, better visuals, etc. In other words, they're actually making it worth my while to buy the game by actually having developers improve the game. This is opposed to the GBA re-releases, which were, according to others, just stagnant re-representations of the games with a couple improvements in dialogue.

The only reason they're not re-releasing Chrono Trigger out on the VC is because they're planning on releasing it on a portable at some point.

Honestly, it's a smart thing they're doing here. It's an interesting question. Would you rather have the exact same came ported for $10 on your Wii? or Would you rather have the game updated visually, have improved translations/story, and create improvements in the gameplay and shell out $30-40?

We all know what Square's answer is. I'm not so sure they're so wrong in doing that.

Also, ultimately, we bitch about people pushing their characters/series on us, but they're out to make money. If it sells, why stop?

Please don't make this a Halo Mario pissing contest.

[Serapth]

Also, ultimately, we bitch about people pushing their characters/series on us, but they're out to make money. If it sells, why stop?

This is exactly why they ( and EA and Square ) keep pushing the same stuff again and again and again. It sells.

I am not mad at Nintendo. Frankly that is mind numbingly stupid and squarely ( pun not intended ) mired in the realm of fanboy logic. Hating on a company is just nuts ( as is loving a company ), they are entities out there trying to make money.

I hate on consumers for not demanding more.

[Variable Gear]

I don't mind Nintendo milking... I mind that everyone treats it like they are trying something crazy and new. And when I mean nothing new... I mean Animal Crossing Wii will be really hard to tell apart from Animal Crossing DS aside from the graphics and comparing feature sheets.

That's true. The games would look familiar. Ignorant people that only look on the surface (and, by the way, don't deserve shit) may not realize that Animal Crossing Wii and Animal Crossing: Wild World are different games. The thing is, Nintendo could easily do new things with Animal Crossing Wii that would make it easy to differentiate from the previous games. Let's wait and see.

You know it's going to be a MMO.

[Deadend]

That's true. The games would look familiar. Ignorant people that only look on the surface (and, by the way, don't deserve shit) may not realize that Animal Crossing Wii and Animal Crossing: Wild World are different games. The thing is, Nintendo could easily do new things with Animal Crossing Wii that would make it easy to differentiate from the previous games. Let's wait and see.

You know it's going to be a MMO.

I hope it is going to be an MMO, but I am prepared for disappointment. And friend codes.

[mister_slim]

As a matter of fact: Wave Race. Wave Race: Blue Storm had a few scratches, but I always thought it was a crime that Nintendo didn't give either that or 1080 Snowboarding (GC) any sort of follow-ups.

1080 + Balance Board = Nintendo can has my wallet.

[Evil Avnovice]

1080 + Balance Board = Nintendo can has my wallet.

Good point. I'd forgotten about the Balance Board for a moment. ;)

[yourdarkesthour]

Pikmin, Ice Climbers, Kid Icarus, every other character in Smash that hasn't had a game out in a while.

I'd actually get Pikmin, though.

[SuperMonkeyFighter2]

This is pretty exciting to be honest. Big announcements are always fun. Let's say they announce something really cool. If so, then we have something else to play this holiday season.
Now, if it's something lame, then we all have something to hate on as a whole (none of this divided hate stuff ... UNIVERSAL HATE is where it's at!!!)

Anyway, some wish list:

Good:
Most of anything Miyamoto related

Bad:

Zelda: The Crimson Awakening(The story of a young Zelda who is discovering changes in her body as she matures. Wiimote usage is ... "interesting")

Trauma Center: The Free Clinic (Comes with a free Wire Hanger attachment for the Wiimote. 3rd trimester? No problem!)

Wii Fat: The Prequal to Wii Fit (Eat off the Wii Board to gain the unsightly pounds needed to make proper use of Wii Fit)

Just some thoughts ... Announce away!

[Hellstorm]

Could it be? The only game series that could take on the WoW beast? Is it time for Ash, Misty, Brock, Jesse and James to take the battle ONLINE and massively????

Well probably not, but a free Pokemon MMOG or one with a low subscription price would be able to take on WoW.

[Talon-]

Could it be? The only game series that could take on the WoW beast? Is it time for Ash, Misty, Brock, Jesse and James to take the battle ONLINE and massively????

Well probably not, but a free Pokemon MMOG or one with a low subscription price would be able to take on WoW.

The world would end in a terrible, terrible way.

[Zeal]

halo chronicles at e3. f nintendo.

[PopoWRX]

halo chronicles at e3. f nintendo.

pffft. Cortana has nothing on Princess Peach! :P

[AversionFX]

What tired franchise are they going to milk this time?

I never understood the "Nintendo milks their franchises!" That's like complaining about Hanes selling t-shirts and undies.

[Zaro]

I wish we will see a new 2d Metroid for the DS or WiiWare.
Short and sweet like Super Metroid.

[sparx394]

My bet's on a revamped The Adventures of Bayou Billy for the wii.

[Doctor Setebos]

There aren't many retreads Nintendo can release this year. We already got our Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games. We got our Smash Bros and our Mario Kart is on the way.

My hope is that Nintendo has split the Monolith team into two: one group working on Disaster: Day of Crisis, and the other on a new IP jRPG (maybe Baten Kaitos-like). I'm also hoping for a new Starfox game, and there's just the tiniest glimmer of hope that there's a Kid Icarus remake in the works.

And I'm also with mister_slim: 1080 update with the balance board wins the world.

[no wii]

I want Pikmin 3 . and a new F zero

[tombofsoldier]

It will be:

Pikmin
Animal Crossing (Wii)
New Mario (sports) game
Kid Icarus
and possibly a new (Wii) Zelda game.

[Azriel77]

Ah, so they are going to whore out Mario again? Its sad but the wii is really starting to suck. Sure they just released brawl but where is all the new original games? MOST of the games coming out for the wii are mediocre, ports from older PS2 games, or ANOTHER game sequel to Nintendo (zelda,mario,metroid..etc). Where are the NEW games?!?!

[Hugenex]

Mother for Wii would be very exciting but highly unlikely. Sad.

[TheFlyingOrc]

LOL! you want to compare Halo milkage with Nintendo?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

The only company that comes close is Square/Enix.

METAL GEAR????

Nintendo is only really bad with Zelda and maybe mario.

There are about a 10 in 23 years.

Their other franchises pretty much come out once per generation. There wasn't a Metroid game at all on the N64.

[Verity]

There aren't many retreads Nintendo can release this year. We already got our Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games. We got our Smash Bros and our Mario Kart is on the way.

That's just it: we don't have our Zelda yet. Twilight Princess was a Gamecube game that was used to launch the Wii, not a full-fledged Wii effort. Nintendo have hinted in interviews (vaguely) that they've begun working on the next Zelda. I could see Nintendo showing off an early trailer of the next Zelda, although it would surprise me.

Having said that, I really hope they do! I need Zelda to live!

[maharahaj]

Adventure Island! (it wasn't necessarily confirmed as being a 1st a party title right)

My real guess is a new F Zero though.

[Doctor Setebos]

That's just it: we don't have our Zelda yet. Twilight Princess was a Gamecube game that was used to launch the Wii, not a full-fledged Wii effort. Nintendo have hinted in interviews (vaguely) that they've begun working on the next Zelda. I could see Nintendo showing off an early trailer of the next Zelda, although it would surprise me.

Having said that, I really hope they do! I need Zelda to live!I'd like to see you convince Nintendo that they haven't delivered a Wii Zelda game. Go ahead. I'll wait. :rolleyes:

I remember seeing an interview with Aonuma right after Twilight Princess came out where he said that they hadn't even started talking about the next console Zelda game yet. So I doubt it will appear this holiday, just two years later.

[Bahamut]

LOL! you want to compare Halo milkage with Nintendo?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

The only company that comes close is Square/Enix.

Not Capcom, one of the kings of milking?

[Serapth]

Not Capcom, one of the kings of milking?

I admit, Capcom is pretty brutal, especially with the Street Fighter brand ( and to a lesser degree Resident Evil and Devil may Cry ). But at the same time they recently brought us Okami, Viewtiful Joe, Lost Planet and Dead Rising, so its hard to remember them as franchise milkers when they bring out new shit.

[Nessus]

there have only been 3 Halos since 1999.

There have only been 2 Mario games since 1999: Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy. 3 if you count New Super Mario Bros. for DS.

[Evil Avatar]

halo chronicles at e3. f nintendo.

Flounce. Return. Repeat.

[Ancalagon]

I'm hoping for a 2D metroid for the DS. Please!

[Heretic Machine]

I admit, Capcom is pretty brutal, especially with the Street Fighter brand ( and to a lesser degree Resident Evil and Devil may Cry ). But at the same time they recently brought us Okami, Viewtiful Joe, Lost Planet and Dead Rising, so its hard to remember them as franchise milkers when they bring out new shit.

New shit like Pikman, Animal Crossing, Brain Age, Golden Sun, Advanced Wars, Battalion Wars, Eternal Darkness, Warioware, Band Bros., Endless Ocean, Professor Layton, Chibi-Robo, Paper Mario, Mario Strikers, Drill Dozer... I could go on a lot longer here, but you get my drift. All of these franchises were established on the DS, GBA, GC, or Wii. Nintendo makes lots of new franchises on every platform that they create, but a lot of people (like you) choose to ignore them.

[Serapth]

New shit like Pikman, Animal Crossing, Brain Age, Golden Sun, Advanced Wars, Battalion Wars, Eternal Darkness, Warioware, Band Bros., Endless Ocean, Professor Layton, Chibi-Robo, Paper Mario, Mario Strikers, Drill Dozer... I could go on a lot longer here, but you get my drift. All of these franchises were established on the DS, GBA, GC, or Wii. Nintendo makes lots of new franchises on every platform that they create, but a lot of people (like you) choose to ignore them.

And of those, which product with 'ario' in the name actually say.... sold over a million units? Maybe BrainAge... There is a reason people ignore them.

[Variable Gear]

New shit like Pikman, Animal Crossing, Brain Age, Golden Sun, Advanced Wars, Battalion Wars, Eternal Darkness, Warioware, Band Bros., Endless Ocean, Professor Layton, Chibi-Robo, Paper Mario, Mario Strikers, Drill Dozer... I could go on a lot longer here, but you get my drift. All of these franchises were established on the DS, GBA, GC, or Wii. Nintendo makes lots of new franchises on every platform that they create, but a lot of people (like you) choose to ignore them.

Advance Wars wasn't new, the US simply didn't get a Famicom Wars game until the first Advance Wars was released here. It wasn't new it was just new to us.

I admit, Capcom is pretty brutal, especially with the Street Fighter brand ( and to a lesser degree Resident Evil and Devil may Cry ). But at the same time they recently brought us Okami, Viewtiful Joe, Lost Planet and Dead Rising, so its hard to remember them as franchise milkers when they bring out new shit.

Yes, Capcom is a franchise milker as well. Just look at (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mega_Man_games) the ridiculous number of Mega Man games that have been released. Some are gems, like Mega Man Powered Up - but many of them are shite. They sometimes bring us good and unique games like Lost Planet, Dead Rising, and Viewtiful Joe - however, look what they did to Viewtiful Joe.

GameCube: Viewtiful Joe (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/cube/viewtifuljoe?q=viewtiful%20joe) (2003) 93
Playstation 2: Viewtiful Joe (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/viewtifuljoe?q=viewtiful%20joe) (2004) 90
Playstation 2: Viewtiful Joe 2 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/viewtifuljoe2?q=viewtiful%20joe) (2004) 85
GameCube: Viewtiful Joe 2 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/cube/viewtifuljoe2?q=viewtiful%20joe) (2004) 86
Nintendo DS: Viewtiful Joe: Double Trouble (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ds/viewtifuljoedoubletrouble?q=viewtiful%20joe) (2005) 73
GameCube: Viewtiful Joe: Red Hot Rumble (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/cube/viewtifuljoeredhotrumble?q=viewtiful%20joe) (2005) 62
Sony PSP: Viewtiful Joe: Red Hot Rumble (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/psp/viewtifuljoeredhotrumble?q=viewtiful%20joe) (2006) 63
THX to metacritic
That franchise doesn't mean shit anymore, because Capcom drove it into the ground. As a note to developers and publishers of popular franchises, I would like to say this: make sure your franchises stay popular. Don't drive your IPs into the ground to maximize potential profits, because then you run a major risk of destroying the appeal of the original concept. Try to take the quality of the games into account, and do not simply depend upon the name attached to them, before looking at the amount you stand to gain when the game goes on sale. Also, New Super Mario Bros. sucked.
This katamari looks a bit Rantish...

[Heretic Machine]

And of those, which product with 'ario' in the name actually say.... sold over a million units? Maybe BrainAge... There is a reason people ignore them.

...What kind of twisted version of reality do you live in that has the marker of "one million units sold" as the definition of success for a video game?

[Serapth]

...What kind of twisted version of reality do you live in that has the marker of "one million units sold" as the definition of success for a video game?

Actually, I guess it was 600,000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum_range). That said, million sellers is a huge fucking deal... google it... "Million selling game"... its an extremely massively huge benchmark.

[31 Flavas]

Actually, I guess it was 600,000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum_range). That said, million sellers is a huge fucking deal... google it... "Million selling game"... its an extremely massively huge benchmark.This is little more then a red herring though. Okami and VJ were never million selling games. More over VJ got milked and Lost Planet is getting re-released on PS3 as well as getting a cellphone prequel. Even Okami is being re-released on Wii to try to milk more money from its IP.

Nintendo has brought out plenty of new IP. And even going by your new rule, plenty of them have sold over 1 million copies. Brain Age, Big Brain, Wii Fit, Wii Sports, Nintendogs. And, of course, plenty more new IP that hasn't sell 1 million copies. But then again, so does Capcom both million sellers and not million sellers.

So what's next, you have to care about the game for it to be "new IP"?