[Preview] Haze Another PS3 Disappointment?

[Yeti2005]

Joystiq recently previewed Haze (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/17/joystiq-hands-on-haze/) for the PS3 and came away unimpressed. It should be noted that they only played single player.


With eight pods for the game set up in two groups of four, Ubisoft missed a trick by not linking them up to show off the much-anticipated co-op play. Instead, the company presented an underwhelming single-player demo which never managed to really amaze. With so much time out of the public eye and with a less-than-stellar last showing, Haze needed to impress.

We spent the majority of our time inside one of the game's vehicles, driving around some sparsely populated cavern environments whilst avoiding explosive mines and enemies. Using Nectar -- a drug ideally suited for this kind of trip -- we were able to see the mines more clearly, making them glow against the dull texture of the rocks.The environments didn't seem particularly inspired and boasted only a minimal level of destructibility. Knocking over fences (evil fences, possibly) was the best we could manage.

[Talon-]

Well, that sucks. You'd think Free Radical would show off one of their really open environments in this demo, like the beach area shown in some trailers. You'd also think they'd have the sense to allow you to play co-op when that's a somewhat sizable feature of the game.

Oh, well. I guess PS3 fans will have to wait for Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 (grumble, grumble).

[YoungAlCapone]

I hope that it is good, but with the nectar doing stuff like making the mines more visible or making the enemies attack each other this sounds pretty derivitive.

[Kem0sabe]

Why didn't they show some co-op? it was the ideal setting for it, especially considering that is probably the game's most interesting selling point, cause apart from that, its just another generic sci-fi shooter.

[divinechaos]

I'll wait till we see some reviews/ I play it myself, but why was Ubi/Sony making a big deal about this being an exclusive?

[Ancalagon]

With three months of development between the version shown and the final build, there's still time to get some issues sorted.

I really really hope they arent planning on releasing it in 3 months time. I really hope he means that all of the features will be complete in 3 months and another 3 months will be spent on polishing, testing and balancing.

Because, if not, it seems like this will quite a bit. My guess is that the co op wasnt finished - which is worrying in a game supposed to be so close to release.

[Telefrog]

I didn't think this looked or sounded all that great to begin with. I never expected more than a mediocre product anyway.

[violentp]

Never gave a shit about this game until I saw the last batch of screenshots. I have to admit they were hot.

[fitbabits]

Given that the PS3 is starved of even mediocre titles, surely anything is welcome - especially as an exclusive?

For Siraris

[Psykoboy2]

I still have faith. Blind faith, but faith nonetheless. I really, really want this to be good.

[Oddmaker]

Never really heard of Haze untill I read it here on Evil Avatar ;)

[Vandenh]

It was never going to be AAA material... but even if it gets 7s/8s I am sure people will enjoy it, especially the co-op. Not a big hitter like some people want it to be.

[Hemalin]

Never really heard of Haze untill I read it here on Evil Avatar ;)

They've released a few videos. (http://www.gametrailers.com/game/2682.html) The vehicle parts seem mediocre, but the on foot parts look quite good.

[Grey]

Since last years GC presentation I lost interest in Haze... it looked so awful and boring, nothing from what the first trailers and screens promised.

[Wolvie]

What happened to Free Radical? They went from Goldeneye and Perfect Dark to releasing a ton of mediocrity. It's just plain sad, sad as in it bums me out to see such a great team fall so far from grace.

[sprankton]

I callz it as i seez it.

[Vandenh]

What happened to Free Radical? They went from Goldeneye and Perfect Dark to releasing a ton of mediocrity. It's just plain sad, sad as in it bums me out to see such a great team fall so far from grace.


But... but... according to some people, they were the best of Rare, leaving Rare an empty FPS husk???? How does that work????

[Yung Ugly]

I'll buy the game if it includes a feature where using too much HAZE causes you to blow your own brains out.

[Talon-]

Non-vehicle parts of the demo were much better, however, with Free Radical doing what it does best: Engaging firefights. The Nectar system also works nicely and incorporates some great graphical effects, with the drug adding some awesome tactical potential to the game. It's quite the tightrope to walk, as the improvement to your senses and abilities could just as easily let you topple into a dangerous overdose.

Seems like Free Radical should've foregone the entire vehicle interlude.

[Gorvi]

It was never going to be AAA material... but even if it gets 7s/8s I am sure people will enjoy it, especially the co-op. Not a big hitter like some people want it to be.
Was anyone really expecting it to be AAA, though? Really? It's by the Timesplitters guys and it's got 4 player co-op, that means that it'll at least be good and fun. But AAA? I wouldn't hold my breath.

[TheFlyingOrc]

This may sound by flame-baiting, but hear me out.

I really do think this was being touted because PS3 owners, being so often called to defend, were lumping it in the big list o' titles that prove "the haters" wrong. My care level for this game never got above a 6 or so.

[DarkDaY]

This may sound by flame-baiting, but hear me out.

I really do think this was being touted because PS3 owners, being so often called to defend, were lumping it in the big list o' titles that prove "the haters" wrong. My care level for this game never got above a 6 or so.

Na, I like the ps3, but this is exactly what I was thinking and have been thinking.

Its a notch below The Darkness and a notch above Turok in my interest level, always has been.
There has been nothing truly exciting about it, nothing overly inspired.
It screams a 7.5 at best, and if that is the case thats not bad either.

[Tel Prydain]

I'm agreeing with ya, Orc.

[LongStepMantis]

Not that surprising.
Am I the only one who is reminded of the early 90's PC obsession with adventure games?
In the fact that every other game that comes out anymore is some form of FPS. And I'm finding it hard to care about any games that are FPS anymore...there's just been too damn many of them. And this is coming from a guy who was playing a half dozen of them at once until I finally got burnt out.

[asimonk]

Seems like Free Radical should've foregone the entire vehicle interlude.

More often than not, inclusion of vehicles kills the fps.

[Micasa]

A friend went to Play.com Live and was similarly unimpressed. He didn't get to spend much time with it however - 5-10 minutes max. He was a lot more impressed by Bourne Conspiracy, which surprised me a bit. I wasn't expecting much from it, but he said I'll be in love with it.

[Johan]

This was going to be a PS3 system seller for me, too... :D

Yeah, I'm bullshitting. Big time.

[violentp]

I'm wondering if the build they played was after all the development post delay.

[Micasa]

Well I would hope so, as Play.com Live wrapped up yesterday, so it'd be the latest build they had available.

[Adam Blue]

I'm still waiting for the final. Free Radical is one of the last developers to include real difficulty in their games. I've enjoyed everyone of their games, and I see no reason why this wouldn't be any good. Although, I think Turok did amazing things for the genre, yet no one else seemed to agree. I just guess a certain era in gaming is definitely over. See that recent Nintendo Power review...

[YoungAlCapone]

Was anyone really expecting it to be AAA, though? Really? It's by the Timesplitters guys and it's got 4 player co-op, that means that it'll at least be good and fun. But AAA? I wouldn't hold my breath.

I know one guy who is expecting it to be AAA, local friend here in town that bought a PS3 at launch, thinks it is going to come out of left field and blow everyone away. I think he is being overly optimistic.

I really want for it to be good, and I don't even own a PS3. I like Free Radical and I liked some of the stuff they showed in the videos, but the more they show the more I wonder.

[Yeti2005]

A friend went to Play.com Live and was similarly unimpressed. He didn't get to spend much time with it however - 5-10 minutes max. He was a lot more impressed by Bourne Conspiracy, which surprised me a bit. I wasn't expecting much from it, but he said I'll be in love with it.

Bourne does look like it could be surprisingly good. Check out the latest trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/31647.html) but ignore the crappy voice over.

[Talon-]

Well here's a random fact: Haze is voiced by members of the Royal Shakespeare Company. Well, there's at least one thing that won't be ho-hum.

[fitbabits]

Well here's a random fact: Haze is voiced by members of the Royal Shakespeare Company. Well, there's at least one thing that won't be ho-hum.

Unless the script itself is ho-hum...

[cp#]

But... but... it takes up over 25GB!!

[Talon-]

Unless the script itself is ho-hum...

Well, they claim that they didn't have enough money to pay them the big bucks, but that the company really liked the script.

Whatever that means. :rolleyes:

[Johan]

Unless the script itself is ho-hum...

Nothing is ho-hum if said as if written by Shakespeare!

Shakespearean insulter. (http://www.pangloss.com/seidel/Shaker/index.html?)

You do unbend your noble strength, to think
So brainsickly of things.

[fitbabits]

Nothing is ho-hum if said as if written by Shakespeare!

Shakespearean insulter. (http://www.pangloss.com/seidel/Shaker/index.html?)

Since when has this ever been an insult?

"You are a fishmonger."

[Johan]

He was a freaking linguistic genius (this is a very incomplete list). (http://www.ojohaven.com/fun/shakespeareisms.html)

Shakespeare just blows me away. Given a hundred lifetimes, I couldn't write a thing like the least of his stuff. :(

[TrackZero]

With this and the Korn tie-ins. It wouldn't surprise me if their marketing product manager is strangling the game's presentation, not understanding the product or audience.

[KamaItachi]

Its a notch below The Darkness and a notch above Turok in my interest level, always has been.

I don't know if you're underselling The Darkness or overselling Haze...

[Wolvie]

But... but... according to some people, they were the best of Rare, leaving Rare an empty FPS husk???? How does that work????

I don't, I'm as confused as you are. The Free Radical was a great FPS dev team when they were with Rare. Not sure what happened to em.

Hopefully this will be like Mass Effect, and look like crap in the demos, and be completely stellar when it comes out.

[Xerxes]

Na, I like the ps3, but this is exactly what I was thinking and have been thinking.

Its a notch below The Darkness and a notch above Turok in my interest level, always has been.
There has been nothing truly exciting about it, nothing overly inspired.
It screams a 7.5 at best, and if that is the case thats not bad either.
Pfft. Several notches below The Darkness.

[Chainblast]

I'll wait and see until some reviews hit and if Haze becomes one of those so-so games (like Army of Two) I'll probably rent it for a weekend and see. To be honest though with some many multi-player oriented FPS games (either competitive or co-op) out, or coming out, the options are just to vast that any contender really does need to impress. However from the sounds of the preview it seems like they weren't really given much to check out. We'll see.

[bean19]

I've been calling this probably crap for ages.

[Khash]

Man, I really want a kick-ass co-op game. Army of Two was a disappointment and now Haze might not turn out so great, either. 4-player co-op sounds awesome and might even make a C-grade shooter worth player. I dunno, I'll have to see more.

[theguido]

I don't, I'm as confused as you are. The Free Radical was a great FPS dev team when they were with Rare. Not sure what happened to em.


Timesplitters 2 is probably my favorite console FPS to date, though TS3 was a bit mediocre. I never played through the single player on those so I'm far more interested in more detailed multiplayer impressions.

[DarkDaY]

I don't know if you're underselling The Darkness or overselling Haze...

Interest level...interest level. As in, how I have felt about each before I got them or got to play them.. just stepping back...Haze will be fine im sure, If it was on the 360 it would be a sleeper, but since its on the ps3 its a premium title.

Strange how that works.

[DarkDaY]

Pfft. Several notches below The Darkness.

perhaps, and im deep down agreeing with you from what I have seen, but I have not played it yet so I cant really make that call.

[theevilnarwhale]

Timesplitters 2 is probably my favorite console FPS to date, though TS3 was a bit mediocre. I never played through the single player on those so I'm far more interested in more detailed multiplayer impressions.

I have to agree. Timesplitters 2 was probably my favorite console FPS. The bots were actually fun to play against. There were so many options you could do to make unique game settings. And all the characters were hilarious. I was never even able to beat the game in single player on normal due to the stealth levels. I have faith.

[Xerxes]

perhaps, and im deep down agreeing with you from what I have seen, but I have not played it yet so I cant really make that call.

Shame on you... Shame. It's almost criminally cheap at some places.

[Morratut]

I was expecting this to be honest.

[Podfork]

God bless the internet. One corner says one thing, another corner (http://www.411mania.com/games/features/71165/Play.com-LIVE---Event-Report.htm) says something else entirely:
... It wasn’t clear how far along the build was, but I didn’t detect any bugs or glitches, so it’s likely a near final version. Graphically, Haze is a sight to behold, with lush environments and some nice textures, plus stunning lighting effects, which is especially evident when trawling through an area of undergrowth, with the sun peeking through a canopy of trees overhead, casting shadows on your team-mates faces....

...I made the Halo reference earlier, but in regards to this aspect, that is totally unfair, as Haze has a much stronger sense of character, blowing anything Halo did out of the water. There was a definite Gears of War vibe as one of your sidekicks unleashes a frenzy of bullets on your enemies, all the way spouting off a pretty humorous rap about how much ass he’s kicking. Each character is well defined, and within 5 minutes I’d gotten a sense of where each member fits in the team, and what their personality is like. The leader of the group has a particularly poignant speech after one mission, drilling in the point that you can’t save everyone, so you better forget all those ideas about being a hero. This comes shortly after an unsuccessful attempt to rescue an injured pilot, and is really quite touching, as it dawns on you that despite all the guns and armor and special capabilities, you’re just a pawn in a bigger battle. The dialogue is extremely well written; Haze is clearly very story-driven, meaning that you’ll hastily immerse yourself in the game world and won’t want to come out again until it’s all over....

...The driving sections were exceptionally reminiscent of the Halo series; it probably didn’t help that the buggy your team commandeer looks exactly like a chunky version of a Warthog. The difference here, however, is that up to 3 team-mates can join you in the vehicle. In my playtest, I drove the buggy, whilst one member took the rear gunner position, another joined me in the passenger seat with his rifle armed, and another crouched down on a little step on the side of the vehicle, holding onto the frame with one arm, leaving his free arm to wave his gun around.

Selective quoting by me.

The bit in bold certainly seems to fly in the face of Joystiq's experience.

Anyway. Who do you believe?

Personally, I've faith in Free Radical. I enjoy Timesplitters a great deal and I think Second Sight shows they've got the cajones to do clever things with narrative and exposition.

Maybe, just maybe, Haze is a game needs to actually be played before making a judgement call! :eek:

..time will tell.

[DarkDaY]

Shame on you... Shame. It's almost criminally cheap at some places.

for fu@ks sake would you stop with these obscure last words with me..

Im not smrt enough to get what your sayin......FUSAFUASDFUKKKKKKKKK



This game will be a 7.8...
you heard it hear first..

I propose a betting thread here in eva, where we bet what individual sites will give, by that I mean the usual suspects, then we bet on the metric.

To keep it legal we bet subscriptions for others and ourselves.





and then I propose a race around the world!!!!!!!

[Ancalagon]

for fu@ks sake would you stop with these obscure last words with me..

Im not smrt enough to get what your sayin......FUSAFUASDFUKKKKKKKKK



This game will be a 7.8...
you heard it hear first..

I propose a betting thread here in eva, where we bet what individual sites will give, by that I mean the usual suspects, then we bet on the metric.

To keep it legal we bet subscriptions for others and ourselves.





and then I propose a race around the world!!!!!!!

I'm betting a 7.5

[DarkDaY]

I'm betting a 7.5

thats what my gut says, but im going to throw them a bone, due to its multi, you know how scoring goes nowadays.

We need to break this shit up, make some set rules.
are we betting on the sites, which sites, and then metric

[drakkarim]

dunno, i personally dismiss any review/reviewer as soon as they start yapping about coop/multiplayer before anything else a game has to offer. i'm a single player person myself. multiplayer focused gamers tend to look at/evaluate games differently than single player gamers.

not saying haze is all that and a bag of chips, but i definitely won't write it off just because joystiq peed their panties.

[Yeti2005]

Selective quoting by me.

The bit in bold certainly seems to fly in the face of Joystiq's experience.

Anyway. Who do you believe?


I think I'll trust my own judgement once the game comes out but otherwise I'd have to give the nod to Joystiq over 411mania (who I've never heard of before).

[Xerxes]

for fu@ks sake would you stop with these obscure last words with me..

Im not smrt enough to get what your sayin......FUSAFUASDFUKKKKKKKKK


Follow your nose.

[kronickidd]

great exclusive! like lair

[fitbabits]

great exclusive! like lair

I'm guessing the time it took you to come up with that idea, form the words, spell them out, then post them was about six hours (roughly the playthrough time of Heavenly Sword). ;)

[asimonk]

God bless the internet. One corner says one thing, another corner (http://www.411mania.com/games/features/71165/Play.com-LIVE---Event-Report.htm) says something else entirely:

Given enough time I bet I could find an obscure source that likes Diakatana.

Also Johan, when he couldn't find the appropriate word, Shakespeare would make shit up! (http://www.cracked.com/article_15859_10-words-phrases-you-wont-believe-shakespeare-invented.html)

[bean19]

I think Sony fans want to turn this into a Sony attack, but there were a ton of us who thought Haze looked like crap back when it was a multiplatform title.

[violentp]

I think Sony fans want to turn this into a Sony attack, but there were a ton of us who thought Haze looked like crap back when it was a multiplatform title.

You've said the same thing twice in this thread yet the second time you have to go and start some shit about Sony fans. That kind of thing is a bigger problem than shitty games my friend.

[TheFlyingOrc]

He was a freaking linguistic genius (this is a very incomplete list). (http://www.ojohaven.com/fun/shakespeareisms.html)

Shakespeare just blows me away. Given a hundred lifetimes, I couldn't write a thing like the least of his stuff. :(
Which might be why some people think he was a pseudonym, and might be a composite of multiple people? :)

[TheFlyingOrc]

great exclusive! like lair

hahaha this is such a bad post.

[silv]

hahaha this is such a bad post.

It's very true though. The PS3 does not have a single exclusive game above 90 on metacritic.

The 360 has 5. (Bioshock, H3, GoW, Forza 2, Mass Effect)

[violentp]

It's very true though. The PS3 does not have a single exclusive game above 90 on metacritic.

The 360 has 5. (Bioshock, H3, GoW, Forza 2, Mass Effect)

While true, Metacritic says absolutely nothing about my personal opinions which proves how valuable such data is for me.

In my opinion Bioshock and Gears represents the greatest in quality on the 360. Resistance and Uncharted for the PS3. If Metacritic or you or Jesus Himself decide to make comparisons between the two camps then have at it. I see it as a fools errand.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I see it as a fools errand.
Tell that fool to do my errands for me. I still need to get my dry cleaning.

It's easy to have an opinion on which console is the best! Pick two of the three below:

HAHA Wii is for babby.

I say, good chap - your Xbox is designed only for grunting neanderthals who like shooting things.

Ha! Your PS3's games are for people too stupid to just rent movies, as movies are both longer and have better plots.

Pick two of the above, the unchosen option is your system of choice!

[asimonk]

Can't we all agree that Lair was actually crap? Then the healing can begin.

[violentp]

HAHA Wii is for babby.


Can I pick this one twice? Only because it is in itself awesome. How awesome? So awesome.

[Johan]

Which might be why some people think he was a pseudonym, and might be a composite of multiple people? :)

That's far from the consensus, however...but it is an issue that gets tossed about on occasion.

[silv]

While true, Metacritic says absolutely nothing about my personal opinions which proves how valuable such data is for me.

In my opinion Bioshock and Gears represents the greatest in quality on the 360. Resistance and Uncharted for the PS3. If Metacritic or you or Jesus Himself decide to make comparisons between the two camps then have at it. I see it as a fools errand.

That is the whole point of metacritic. To get past personal opinions and actually get to a score with individual's personal preferences washed out. Look at almost any judging of a subjective sport. Ice skating for example. You have a series of judges and you end up with an average to get an unbiased result.

It is the best way to get a good idea of how good a game is. In this case, the reviewers out there as a whole do not believe Uncharted is AAA material.

[broodax]

I agree with Khash. The Penny Arcade guys were talking about this in their latest podcast, about how co-op can make an OK game great. The whole experience can be way more enjoyable if the co-op works. That being said, if the game was designed around co-op and the co-op element is not great, you are screwed.

[violentp]

That is the whole point of metacritic. To get past personal opinions and actually get to a score with individual's personal preferences washed out. Look at almost any judging of a subjective sport. Ice skating for example. You have a series of judges and you end up with an average to get an unbiased result.

It is the best way to get a good idea of how good a game is. In this case, the reviewers out there as a whole do not believe Uncharted is AAA material.

100 opinions averaged out is still opinion, just averaged. My point being that, for example, while I'm sure Halo 3 is up there, I still found it lackluster. Unless you mean to tell me I'm wrong for thinking so then something like metacritic is just an accumulated opinion to me.

[jeffbax]

The only people who ever made a big deal about this game were those who don't even own PS3s. Looked pretty meh since day one, but its also not a review yet so we'll see.

[silv]

100 opinions averaged out is still opinion, just averaged. My point being that, for example, Halo 3 I'm sure is up there. I found it lackluster. Unless you mean to tell me I'm wrong for thinking so then something like metacritic is just an accumulated opinion to me.

Halo 3 is up there. Which means that the majority of people feel it is a better game than Uncharted.

Averaging of opinions is really the only way to judge an inherently subjective matter.

[violentp]

The only people who ever made a big deal about this game were those who don't even own PS3s. Looked pretty meh since day one, but its also not a review yet so we'll see.

I had never given this game any kind of recognition beyond that of the whole Pink Floyd fiasco. A few days ago though I saw the latest batch of shots and have to admit, I hope it turns out well. Still can't forgive for the whole Floyd thing though.

[violentp]

Halo 3 is up there. Which means that the majority of people feel it is a better game than Uncharted.

The user base of the 360 is much higher than the PS3. You think that may have an effect on the results? I do.

Averaging of opinions is really the only way to judge an inherently subjective matter.

The only way to judge properly in my opinion is to judge for yourself. Everything else has too many potential points of fault for me to really care. The one example you gave me from metacritic I disagree with so it's a good thing I don't take such services too much to heart.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Halo 3 is up there. Which means that the majority of people feel it is a better game than Uncharted.

Averaging of opinions is really the only way to judge an inherently subjective matter.

I'd say getting the distribution would be more important than the average. Then you'd know how likely it was that you'd agree with the majority opinion.

[silv]

Standard deviation would be a good metric to have on these, I agree.

Without calculating it myself, some small numbers:

Halo3 had 15 out of 86 below 90%.
Uncharted had 25 out of 63 below 90%.

Take it as you will.

[violentp]

I understand what you're trying to say with the numbers but here are mine:

Halo 3 games played all the way through: 1
Uncharted games played all the way through: 1

Preference: Uncharted

Point being that metacritic's numbers in this case do not accurately portray my opinion therefore basing decision on such numbers will always be a gamble.

[LongStepMantis]

I had never given this game any kind of recognition beyond that of the whole Pink Floyd fiasco. A few days ago though I saw the latest batch of shots and have to admit, I hope it turns out well. Still can't forgive for the whole Floyd thing though.

Wait. What now?
This game was "meh" to me already, but if they did something to offend my favorite band of all time, I hope they die penniless and alone. :D

[LionEyez]

The guys behind TimeSplitter? Surely they should be given the benefit of the doubt?

[bean19]

You've said the same thing twice in this thread yet the second time you have to go and start some shit about Sony fans. That kind of thing is a bigger problem than shitty games my friend.

The first post in this thread was "I told you so", the second one was "Don't let the Sony fans turn this into a fanboy issue. Many of us said this looked stinky back when it was multiplatform".

Seriously, I've watched this game be multiplatform forever and then suddenly become a Sony exclusive and then become multiplatform, but I remember a lot of people saying it looked like ass for a while. Some of them were probably Sony fans too (though no obvious ones like Gorvi).

[bean19]

Preference: Uncharted

Fun game, but it's a bit short. I still occasionally play Halo 3 with friends. Uncharted I beat in a weekend at a friend's house and I have no more desire to play it again than I want to play Tomb Raider Legend (which it is a lot like, except you take cover to shoot). Great story and a lot of fun. It's just that it probably took us 10 hours or so to beat it and then we were done. If you only own a PS3, I guess you could play it over and over again. . . Heavenly Sword was the same way but even shorter.

So far, I've been able to play and beat games that I want on the PS3 at a friend's house. I haven't played Folklore yet, so maybe I'd like to buy that, and I might get Ninja Gaiden Sigma (though it pissed me off again at my friend's house as that city is such a fucking maze).

Anyway, don't worry about Haze sucking. The PS3 is getting MGS eventually, and hopefully White Knight Chronicle and FF XIII will be out this year. I think it might be worth buying this Xmas. I'm hoping.

[asimonk]

The guys behind TimeSplitter? Surely they should be given the benefit of the doubt?

Back in 1997 a little known developer called Ion Storm showed off their up coming title at E3. The dev house had guys who had worked on a block buster released just the year before called Quake. The game they showed: Daikatana.

Moral of this story: Just because someone developed a good game once, doesn't mean they won't spend the rest of their lives churning out shit.

[violentp]

Fun game, but it's a bit short. I still occasionally play Halo 3 with friends. Uncharted I beat in a weekend at a friend's house and I have no more desire to play it again than I want to play Tomb Raider Legend (which it is a lot like, except you take cover to shoot). Great story and a lot of fun. It's just that it probably took us 10 hours or so to beat it and then we were done. If you only own a PS3, I guess you could play it over and over again. . . Heavenly Sword was the same way but even shorter.

So far, I've been able to play and beat games that I want on the PS3 at a friend's house. I haven't played Folklore yet, so maybe I'd like to buy that, and I might get Ninja Gaiden Sigma (though it pissed me off again at my friend's house as that city is such a fucking maze).

Anyway, don't worry about Haze sucking. The PS3 is getting MGS eventually, and hopefully White Knight Chronicle and FF XIII will be out this year. I think it might be worth buying this Xmas. I'm hoping.

Pretty much the same deal here. I played Uncharted over a weekend and Halo 3 in a night (4 man co-op on legendary was fun I admit). After that was over, online lasted about a week for me. Same as the treasure hunting in Uncharted. All in all, I give the edge to Uncharted. This really says nothing though as it's purely preference.

Regarding Haze, I don't care if it sucks. In fact, even since it was multi-plat I didn't care. As I mentioned previously, the only time I've ever had any interest in this game was with the recent screenshots post-delay. Even now I'm not totally hyped, simply keeping an open eye to it. If it fails then I think the worst to come from it is mud in Free Radical's face.

All in all, my previous comment was more about not getting the kids riled up. Both camps have their respective kiddos and God knows I'm sick of all of them. Just trying to keep the fuel to a minimum. I do apologize if I went about it like an asshole though. My bad.

[violentp]

Back in 1997 a little known developer called Ion Storm showed off their up coming title at E3. The dev house had guys who had worked on a block buster released just the year before called Quake. The game they showed: Daikatana.

Moral of this story: Just because someone developed a good game once, doesn't mean they won't spend the rest of their lives churning out shit.

In the same respect, just because someone incessantly churns out shit does not make them incapable of producing a gem.

[LionEyez]

Back in 1997 a little known developer called Ion Storm showed off their up coming title at E3. The dev house had guys who had worked on a block buster released just the year before called Quake. The game they showed: Daikatana.

Moral of this story: Just because someone developed a good game once, doesn't mean they won't spend the rest of their lives churning out shit.

Yeah good point.

But I'd still like to reserve the jugdement of "another disappointment" for the final build of the game. I'll admit Haze doesn't seem like a stellar (groundbreaking or what have you) FPS but the term disappointment is relative to what expections people really had in the first place, right? The way Halo 3 was marketed made playing the actual game, for me, a disappointment.

With Haze, I'm not quite sure what I'm expecting. It's just that the rebel vs Mantlecore theme, and some of the design styles reminds me of the first Killzone.

[SpectralWolf]

Back in 1997 a little known developer called Ion Storm showed off their up coming title at E3. The dev house had guys who had worked on a block buster released just the year before called Quake. The game they showed: Daikatana.

Moral of this story: Just because someone developed a good game once, doesn't mean they won't spend the rest of their lives churning out shit.

Oh my Lord, where do I begin with your retarded and overly simplified post asimonk? Let me just say that these guys didn't just do it once, they did it several times. These guys made Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, and the Timesplitters series. So yeah, I'd say they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Also, Ion Storm also released Deus Ex. So, if you're criticizing John Romero, please don't bunch in Warren Specter's team when referring to dev houses. Besides, how many shitty titles has Ion Storm released. I count 1 - Daikatana. Deus Ex was great and Anachronox was highly underrated.

[silv]

I understand what you're trying to say with the numbers but here are mine:

Halo 3 games played all the way through: 1
Uncharted games played all the way through: 1

Preference: Uncharted

Point being that metacritic's numbers in this case do not accurately portray my opinion therefore basing decision on such numbers will always be a gamble.

Yes, I understand, you are in the minority who think it is a better game.

That does not change the fact that the general reviewing public feels Halo3 is a better game.

[violentp]

Yes, I understand, you are in the minority who think it is a better game.

That does not change the fact that the general reviewing public feels Halo3 is a better game.

Maybe, but what does that actually mean? Nothing. Technically if I gathered a bunch of people in this minority and had them vote for Uncharted to the point it surpassed the amount of votes for H3, it still wouldn't change the quality of either game.

Point is that just because a 10 million people vote for one thing doesn't mean you will too.

[bean19]

Could you really recommend that anyone buy Uncharted though? Seriously, 10 hours and it's over. You say you spent only a week on Halo 3 too, but that doesn't mean they are both worth buying. That means that even though Halo 3 is long enough for most people, you are an exception.

It's a fun renter, and if you own a PS3, then it is an absolute must-rent, but if you don't. . . well, it's a 10-hour game. You can play it some weekend after the system gets more games.

[violentp]

Could you really recommend that anyone buy Uncharted though? Seriously, 10 hours and it's over. You say you spent only a week on Halo 3 too, but that doesn't mean they are both worth buying. That means that even though Halo 3 is long enough for most people, you are an exception.

It's a fun renter, and if you own a PS3, then it is an absolute must-rent, but if you don't. . . well, it's a 10-hour game. You can play it some weekend after the system gets more games.

Well on a secondary level I'm a minority as I don't rent games, I solely own. If a person only owned a 360 I would recommend purchasing CoD4 before Halo 3. At the same time I would recommend someone who only owned a PS3 Uncharted without issue. Now, this brings up a number of issues as you have a much higher availability rate on a 360 than a PS3 so CoD4 has room to come before H3 but on the other side Uncharted doesn't have much competition on it's respective platform.

We could sit here and argue this shit for hours were we so inclined but the fact of the matter is that it all comes down to one thing, personal preference. Therefore, I personally do not care if 99% of the population felt a certain way about something, in the end it comes down to my personal experience with the subject in question and only then will I know what I think and damn if I'm not my own trusted reviewer.

[Exodus]

Haze doesn't sound appealing because it just sounds like another halo. That's great, awesome, console kids have finally caught up to first person shooter gaming that pc gamers have been enjoying since like fucking doom and duke 3d hell 10+ years. We've moved on to half-life, hl2

what we need is another milestone on the fps front and haze wasn't even near what will wow the console or pc market, bioshock was good, great presentation, story, sure it's heroes of might and magic but it was much much better looking and the script and work done was amazing

No my friends...

i'm sorry but the fate of fps gaming lies in the hands of... duke nukem fornever.

[Tel Prydain]

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