Tis a sad day....

[Kropotkin]

When you have to leave your guild. Up until last week I was a member of a high level, end game raiding guild. We were taking down bosses in Serpentshrine Cavern and Tempest Keep. It was a blast to see people all work together towards a common goal, to down a major boss. It was the ultimate in co-op gaming.

Sadly, when the new year rolled around things changed. People stopped playing the game over the holidays and they kind of liked life away from the game. So much so they quit playing. The guild council tried to rally the remaining troops but it was too late. The guild suffered, recruitment was next to impossible as the guild had reached a level so high few people could match our requirements for gear and experience.

Raids were cancelled due to lack of numbers over and over. Wasting the time of many who showed up willing as they had done so many times before. This led to the GM leaving and giving over the role to me. I was not prepared for this and I took too much on!

So seeing the guild tear itself apart I had little choice but to leave. It was a tough choice but one I had to make for my own sanity. I just thought I'd come here, neutral territory to share a bit on what it's like to be in a guild like that and to see it crumble.

Feed back would be nice, or not as the case may be...

[iHap]

I've stopped playing WoW for now. Gonna wait till Wraith of the Lich King comes out.

More games have come out to fill in the gap, also WoW has gotten boring.

[Goronmon]

Yeah, it's tough to keep a "hardcore" guild going for long periods of time. The harder you push through the content, the more likely people are just going to burn out and leave. This is especially true for guilds that try to keep the numbers down to a core raiding group.

I've stopped playing WoW for now. Gonna wait till Wraith of the Lich King comes out.

More games have come out to fill in the gap, also WoW has gotten boring.Umm...thanks for the update?

[Dukefrukem]

its better now. you're life won't be meaningless when you're not in a guild.

[Goronmon]

its better now. you're life won't be meaningless when you're not in a guild.You know, you don't have to respond to this thread just because you saw it on the sidebar.

[Phanto]

Everything that goes up have to go down eventually.

[Hellbug]

You are on your first step to finally throwing off the monkey on your back that is WoW! Congratulations! Now, quickly, delete your characters, uninstall WoW, and join the rest of the WoWaholics in a ritual firebombing of Blizzard's HQ!

[AspectVoid]

I remember when I had to leave a CoH guild I was a part of. They were great people, and I had an excellent time with them, but I graduated college, starting working full time, and just didn't have the time to keep up with them. They rather quickly out leveled me and I just couldn't keep up with them. It sucked.

[Dukefrukem]

You know, you don't have to respond to this thread just because you saw it on the sidebar.

I had a friend who was in denial too.

[Squidbot]

That sucks. I was once in an excellent guild that tore itself apart :(
Which realm are you on? If you're Horde transfer to Eonar and come join Delusion ;) We're casual hardcore O_0

[Tricky Thumb]

Seeing that the friends you make in guilds tend to be the primary reasons for staying as long as most people do, I know where you're coming from. Still, guilds come and go and the people that make them do as well. I've been in a few longterm guilds in various MMOs, although it's always pretty shitty when they dissipate or flat-out break up.

[Savok]

Some of us just aren't built for leading communities and shit.

I've been "given" guilds and the like over the years, ran every single one into the ground so you did better then me :p

[J Arcane]

Leaving my WoW guild was one of the best things I ever did.

Who the flaming hell wants to sit around for hours getting bossed around by some pinprick control freak, just for the sake of more virtual Barbie clothes?

[Lima Beans]

Its a year since the last expansion, and post-holiday season, this is PRIME raid-guild breakuptime... PRIME. Same thing happened pre-bc. Same thing will happen again in 2 years

[dbh1973]

When you have to leave your guild. Up until last week I was a member of a high level, end game raiding guild. We were taking down bosses in Serpentshrine Cavern and Tempest Keep. It was a blast to see people all work together towards a common goal, to down a major boss. It was the ultimate in co-op gaming.

Sadly, when the new year rolled around things changed. People stopped playing the game over the holidays and they kind of liked life away from the game. So much so they quit playing. The guild council tried to rally the remaining troops but it was too late. The guild suffered, recruitment was next to impossible as the guild had reached a level so high few people could match our requirements for gear and experience.

Raids were cancelled due to lack of numbers over and over. Wasting the time of many who showed up willing as they had done so many times before. This led to the GM leaving and giving over the role to me. I was not prepared for this and I took too much on!

So seeing the guild tear itself apart I had little choice but to leave. It was a tough choice but one I had to make for my own sanity. I just thought I'd come here, neutral territory to share a bit on what it's like to be in a guild like that and to see it crumble.

Feed back would be nice, or not as the case may be...
I'd cancel your sub and take a break for a while. It's a good way to recharge the batteries. I'd recommend re-upping when the new expansion comes out. Nothing like new content to get the fires burning again.

[Lima Beans]

Yeah, it's tough to keep a "hardcore" guild going for long periods of time. The harder you push through the content, the more likely people are just going to burn out and leave. This is especially true for guilds that try to keep the numbers down to a core raiding group.


Very true, but there is this point, where you push through to the surface. Once your raiding guild hits a certain level, you start raiding a LOT less and doing a lot more. Part of it is just because of the limited content in the game. Once you beat it all, you can clear everything you want in a few hours, and then you have to wait a week for it to reset. Your guild hits its stride and can accomplish a lot.

Training new members, explaining fights to people, whiping over and over and waiting for the same smokers to get back from afk, this is what burns people out.

Of course when you DO get into this stride, and then you stumble and something messes it up, you do tend to fall kind of hard ;)

[Kropotkin]

What's been said here is very true. Burning out of guilds happens although I know the top guild on the server I was on has remained so for many years. Then again they raid 6 hours a day, 7 days a week and the whole thing is run like a CSS clan.

I don't think I'll be going back to WoW or start on an MMO any time soon. I'm kind of liking the extra time I have :D

[Nicodemus]

In the two MMORPGs I've played (WoW and Star Wars Galaxies), I joined casual guilds who just kind of had fun together. We ran some raids in WoW, and were even making our way through Molten Core when Lord of the Rings Online came out and everyone left.

I've never been a really hardcore, endgame type of gamer, so I liked the atmosphere of the casual guild a lot. No pressure to show up to events (unless you sign up) or have the most uber gear, you could have any skill set you wanted (Feral Druids, Fury Warriors, and I was a Shadow Priest), and everyone was just really nice and friendly. Also, nobody bossed us around when we went on raids. We even did impressions over ventrilo during downtime.

Kind of makes me want to play again...

Anyway, advice to you Kropotkin, try joining a less hardcore guild. You may not get good gear or whatever, but you might have fun running easier raids with an easy going group of people.

[Inspector Fowler]

Endgame is actually one of the reasons why I quit WoW. I realized I'd either have to start alts and go through the same areas over and over, or get serious about A- high level raiding and so on, or B- PVP.

It was just too much of a time commitment, and it's one of the reasons why I just didn't see a future in doing it.

[Draft]

I was an officer in a guild that is now killing Illidan.

I made an enemy of a powerful raider.

Through a series of Machiavellian machinations (ie- whining incessantly to the guild leader, eventually stating it was him or me,) I found myself not only removed from officer status, but removed from raiding at all.

I was really pissed. I still have much hate in my heart for all the officers involved in that decision.

[fitbabits]

Sunshine is so much better for you than WoW!

[OUX]

Sunshine is so much better for you than WoW!

Like dogs are better than cats?

[Lima Beans]

Like dogs are better than cats?

YOU SHUT YOUR FAT MOUTH

[OUX]

YOU SHUT YOUR FAT MOUTH

http://www.bigpawsonly.com/dog-images/psycho-dog.jpg
Anytime, anywhere bub.

[roboninja]

With all the vitriol spewed about WoW here, you would think this was a website about camping, not video games. It's just another game.

That sucks. Kropotkin. I personally have never been an "end-gamer", so I have never had to put up with any of that drama. I do not get to see some of the final areas other than in videos, but I also get to play whenever the hell I want, and have virtually no responsibilities to anyone else. There is always a trade-off.

[AversionFX]

SSC and TK are not "high-level." At least you weren't farming Illidan for legendaries.

Goddamn I'm glad I got out of that shit.

[Soap]

That's why you gotta drink and use recreational drugs when you play your MMO.....or you can always go back to Barrens Chat.

[Beelzebud]

With all the vitriol spewed about WoW here, you would think this was a website about camping, not video games. It's just another game.

That is an amusing point I've noticed myself. People that sit playing other game for hours and hours will then take a break to post about how WoW players waste their time.

:D

[Chameleo]

Sunshine is so much better for you than WoW!

ummm WoW can't give you cancer..

[Zabyx]

I've stopped playing WoW for now. Gonna wait till Wraith of the Lich King comes out.

More games have come out to fill in the gap, also WoW has gotten boring.

Isn't your toon in his twenties? This doesn't make sense. Level him to like sixty, then stop, so when WotLK comes out, the OL will be absolutely empty.