Michelle Obama, help or hindrance? [Archive]

SuicideKing

02-20-2008, 03:38 PM

First it was the "for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country" quote, seen here (http://www.breitbart.tv/html/49244.html).

Now we have Michelle Obama preaching that:

Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.

And

"You have to stay at the seat at the table of democracy with a man like Barack Obama not just on Tuesday but in a year from now, in four years from now, in eights years from now, you will have to be engaged."

You can see the quotes around the 7:30 mark of the following vid:
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I don't know about you guys, but the whole Obama thing is getting a mite religious in nature it seems to me. Sorry Michelle, but I enjoy my cynicism, it comforts me, and my life as usual ain't so bad.
I don't particularly want a politician to dictate those aspects of my existence, that's what my pastor is for, not my president.

So, what's your take, innocuous high-minded rhetoric? Or could this kind of nonsense prove damaging in the long run?

Xerxes

02-20-2008, 03:46 PM

Religious eh? That reminds me of the Joel Osteen "Christianity Lite" opinions. Maybe they trying to still Huckabee fans. :D

Schnoogs

02-20-2008, 04:14 PM

Why the fuck do I even care what she has to say? It's his wife...unless he appoints her Secretary of Defense or something this is just to get the harcore Obamites to wet themselves with glee.

SuicideKing

02-20-2008, 04:16 PM

Why the fuck do I even care what she has to say? It's his wife...unless he appoints her Secretary of Defense or something this is just to get the harcore Obamites to wet themselves with glee.

My reply would be because it seems she plays a big role in the campaign, and consequently, in knowing Obama's plans, and shaping his opinions.

Johan

02-20-2008, 04:19 PM

An opinionated, strong-willed, determined, well-spoken, intelligent, professional woman has an opinion and wants people to be "engaged" in politics to make positive changes in society?

I can see how that's tiresome and threatening...not, not, not, not at all.

Maskatron

02-20-2008, 04:21 PM

Meh, who cares. As far as damaging stuff goes, you can dig up much worse dirt on Cynthia McCain, or that dude that pretends to sleep with Hilary.

Talon-

02-20-2008, 04:21 PM

Rifter

02-20-2008, 04:24 PM

That first time I am proud quote, is probably the most damning. The others mentioned, I have no problems with, quite honestly. Reminds me of "do not ask what your country can do for you, ask what YOU can do for your country". Not a bad line, IMO. In all honesty, I can see her quotes, and if he follows through, as good things. That is just me. I think everyone should work, and be involved. :-)

Slack3r78

02-20-2008, 04:26 PM

Not normally a fan of the stuff on DailyKos, but I think this one might hit the nail on the head of why the tempest in a teapot over this stuff is ridiculous:

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/20/64612/4690/438/460265

Schnoogs

02-20-2008, 04:26 PM

TrackZero

02-20-2008, 04:27 PM

So, what's your take, innocuous high-minded rhetoric? Or could this kind of nonsense prove damaging in the long run?

Why can't it be what it is? Change. Change yourselves to fix the problems in your society for once instead of sitting on your ass. You can take that as a good thing, or not. It's your call, I think she's being up front and honest about what their campaign is. Better than being lied to and fucked over down the line like 95+% all politicians do.

Edit: And just to be clear. I'm not even saying vote for Obama here. But don't go trying to slant what she's saying. Personally I like McCain and Obama, either would be good presidents.

Now Hilary...ugh, corporate shill up the wazoo. Just more of the same.

Johan

02-20-2008, 04:27 PM

You've described millions of women in this country...should we stop the presses?

Stop the presses and get them back in their damn homes! ;)

Not only an uppity woman...an uppity black woman!

Okay...breathe now, folks. That was not serious!

Slack3r78

02-20-2008, 04:29 PM

Johan

02-20-2008, 04:29 PM

STOP BEING REASONABLE.

You're making me start to question my sanity.

You missed post #12. :D

Slack3r78

02-20-2008, 04:31 PM

You missed post #12. :D

Shit, you're right. You forgot to tell her to get back in the kitchen where she belongs. I was getting worried for a minute there. :p

bKangy

02-20-2008, 04:33 PM

Both? She's run some great campaign rallies, she's a very good image and gets people going... but I think some people look for anything to tar the campaign with pick up on things like this because she's not got the experience Barack has in not slipping up with his comments.

IrishWhiskey

02-20-2008, 04:35 PM

First it was the "for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country" quote, seen here (http://www.breitbart.tv/html/49244.html).Eh, the reason that seems to have blown over, is because people realize it was just bad phrasing. She constantly talks about how "for the first time" change, Obama, new voters, yadda, yadda. And that this change makes her "proud of her country" That there was one speech in which she combined the phrasing poorly seems more likely than that this successful dedicated community activist and businesswoman has never been proud of her country.

I don't know about you guys, but the whole Obama thing is getting a mite religious in nature it seems to me. Sorry Michelle, but I enjoy my cynicism, it comforts me, and my life as usual ain't so bad.
I don't particularly want a politician to dictate those aspects of my existence, that's what my pastor is for, not my president.Isn't that the Republican party platform?

The "Obama cult" thing is a talking point getting tossed around. He's without-a-doubt popular and has dedicated fans, and isn't ashamed to talk about his faith (which would be Christianity despite another talking point going around). His popularity doesn't strike as something that would make him a worse President.

Sorry Michelle, but I enjoy my cynicism, it comforts me, and my life as usual ain't so bad.Sorry, but there's a decent chance this guy will be elected by the huge number of Americans who disagree.

Khash

02-20-2008, 05:05 PM

Johan

02-20-2008, 05:05 PM

Look, the whole Republican platform is based around telling people what they can and can't do.

That's where you lost me. Totally. :p

Khash

02-20-2008, 05:14 PM

That's where you lost me. Totally. :p
OK, name me a Republican Candidate since Reagan who hasn't made those issues a major subject of is campaign. I'll wait...

SuicideKing

02-20-2008, 05:15 PM

Honestly, do you really expect the Government to fix all your problems? Take some fuckin' responsibility for once in your lives.

Dems: -Gun control, what kind of cars to drive, random environmental regulation, who I can or can't hire, etc....

Um..... QFTW? But completely missing the point apparently. My problem was the whole "make you" do this and that. Given how imo Dems tend to over legislate, and given Obama's co-sponsoring of Biden's retarded "patriot" corporations bill, I can almost see it.

Johan

02-20-2008, 05:16 PM

OK, name me a Republican Candidate since Reagan who hasn't made those issues a major subject of is campaign. I'll wait...

For president? McCain.

Closer to home for me? Lindsey Graham.

Many more.

Stereotyping is silly. (http://online.logcabin.org/)

Khash

02-20-2008, 05:24 PM

For president? McCain.

Closer to home for me? Lindsey Graham.

Many more.

Stereotyping is silly. (http://online.logcabin.org/)
In 2006, McCain received a rating of 33% from the Human Rights Campaign, a LGBT advocacy group. He voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment, arguing that each state should be able to choose whether to recognize same-sex marriage. He supported the failed 2006 Arizona initiative to ban gay marriage.

Sure sounds like your (stereo)typical gay-bashing Republican to me...

Schnoogs

02-20-2008, 05:39 PM

Look, the whole Republican platform is based around telling people what they can and can't do. .

Shit...I must have woken up in some alternate universe today

Johan

02-20-2008, 06:46 PM

In 2006, McCain received a rating of 33% from the Human Rights Campaign, a LGBT advocacy group. He voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment, arguing that each state should be able to choose whether to recognize same-sex marriage.

States should be able to choose; oh noes! Damn him for supporting the right of the states to settle that issue as they see fit! I suppose Massachusetts should have been STOPPED! :D

He supported the failed 2006 Arizona initiative to ban gay marriage.

He's from Arizona, so it's consistent with his stance that it should be settled at the state level.

Also, he's allowed to disagree with you. You do know that, right? :rolleyes:

Sure sounds like your (stereo)typical gay-bashing Republican to me...

That's all you've got? Republicans are "gay-bashers?"

Fuck you.

Schnoogs

02-20-2008, 07:39 PM

Sure sounds like your (stereo)typical gay-bashing Republican to me...

You're a fucking ignorant moron...

Deadend

02-20-2008, 07:45 PM

Oh, look... another SuicideKing thread where he pretends to be a non-right winger.

Lord_Don

02-20-2008, 07:48 PM

God damn you Johan. You're coming across as reasonable again. Stop it.

SuicideKing

02-20-2008, 08:11 PM

Oh, look... another SuicideKing thread where he pretends to be a non-right winger.

When the heck did I pretend to not be a right-winger? I don't think it's ever been a secret that I consider myself a conservative.

Furious Wang

02-20-2008, 08:34 PM

The "Obama cult" thing is a talking point getting tossed around. He's without-a-doubt popular and has dedicated fans, and isn't ashamed to talk about his faith (which would be Christianity despite another talking point going around). His popularity doesn't strike as something that would make him a worse President.

Yeah, the "cult of obama" and "Obama mania" memes floating around are largely from cynics and media elite who 1. have long ago lost faith in positives coming from politics and 2. are scared shitless by the idea that for the first time in quite a while, the next president will have won by a landslide.

Make no mistake, Obama vs McCain will be a massacre and the rest of the Dem party will ride the tidal wave. Its going to be really weird when the government actually starts getting stuff done because one part is in total control of the government. Whether its for good or bad I dunno.

Deadend

02-20-2008, 08:36 PM

When the heck did I pretend to not be a right-winger? I don't think it's ever been a secret that I consider myself a conservative.

You act like your suddenly unsure about voting for Obama. It feels fake man.

Just say it how you really want to.

She seems like she is getting too caught up in it, and sounding like the drones who think any of the candidates are amazing people who will "make the world a better place(tm)."

Bill Clinton does similar stuff for his wife, McCain's wife would too, but she isn't allowed out of the kitchen (I kid).

Schnoogs

02-20-2008, 08:43 PM

Yeah, the "cult of obama" and "Obama mania" memes floating around are largely from cynics and media elite who 1. have long ago lost faith in positives coming from politics and 2. are scared shitless by the idea that for the first time in quite a while, the next president will have won by a landslide.

Make no mistake, Obama vs McCain will be a massacre and the rest of the Dem party will ride the tidal wave. Its going to be really weird when the government actually starts getting stuff done because one part is in total control of the government. Whether its for good or bad I dunno.

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Gilius Thunderhead

02-20-2008, 08:55 PM

How dare she even suggest that I should no longer sit on my fat ass and drive in my huge SUV! I love America but it'll be a cold day in hell before I actually lift a finger to help improve it. /sarcasm

Look, the whole Republican platform is based around telling people what they can and can't do. Abortion? Gay marriage? Flag burning? And none of that shit even matters. You wanna talk about cult behavior? Look no further than the religious right.

Honestly, do you really expect the Government to fix all your problems? Take some fuckin' responsibility for once in your lives.

That last line is ironic, because it's the Democrats that support taking ever-larger sums of money out of my parents' paycheck--one that my father has worked so hard for for so long--to pay for those who can't get their shit together. Responsible? They aren't.

And no, my dad has not had opportunities. He's hardly even educated (HS only). However, unlike the uneducated masses that collect welfare and Section 8, he has worked his ass off. And now he gets to pay for them. Responsible, yes? He was responsible, and they weren't--and because of him, some of them don't have to be. God, I love this.

Slack3r78

02-20-2008, 09:08 PM

That last line is ironic, because it's the Democrats that support taking ever-larger sums of money out of my parents' paycheck--one that my father has worked so hard for for so long--to pay for those who can't get their shit together. Responsible? They aren't.

And no, my dad has not had opportunities. He's hardly even educated (HS only). However, unlike the uneducated masses that collect welfare and Section 8, he has worked his ass off. And now he gets to pay for them. Responsible, yes? He was responsible, and they weren't--and because of him, some of them don't have to be. God, I love this.

Yes, because welfare reform didn't happen a decade ago. :rolleyes:

Deadend

02-20-2008, 09:14 PM

That last line is ironic, because it's the Democrats that support taking ever-larger sums of money out of my parents' paycheck--one that my father has worked so hard for for so long--to pay for those who can't get their shit together. Responsible? They aren't.

And no, my dad has not had opportunities. He's hardly even educated (HS only). However, unlike the uneducated masses that collect welfare and Section 8, he has worked his ass off. And now he gets to pay for them. Responsible, yes? He was responsible, and they weren't--and because of him, some of them don't have to be. God, I love this.

At least the democrats find a source for the money they spend in their goals.

Gilius Thunderhead

02-20-2008, 09:18 PM

Yes, because welfare reform didn't happen a decade ago. :rolleyes:

If you saw what goes on out here with this Welfare bullshit, you might agree.

It's one thing to help people back on their feet. It's another thing entirely to help them ease back, which is what I usually see. Spinning rims on big SUVs with bigger sound systems...not my style. Renting 4000 square foot houses worth four or five hundreds of thousands of dollars to Section 8 families when three miles away, there are small houses (1500-1700) worth far smaller amounts (think 180k at the top of the bubble) available to give them? It's nice to give them a house, but there's no reason to give them big expensive houses.

And my dad continues to pay into this, and in many cases, we find ourselves unable to afford things that the folks on Welfare and Section 8 can afford because we spend our money carefully so that we can afford to pay for them too. And don't get me started on the people abusing Section 8 and Welfare, but even without, the system needs to be revamped.

Especially Section 8. But not just Section 8.

Gilius Thunderhead

02-20-2008, 09:21 PM

At least the democrats find a source for the money they spend in their goals.

I don't believe that's what we're speaking about; but yes, the Republicans have taken to overspending while holding to their tax ideals (or ignoring those)--and that needs to stop, too. I didn't see the connection, though, until you saw the need to defend the dems by pointing at the republicans and saying, "But them--them!"

It is, after all, entirely reasonable for a person to be generally dissatisfied with both of the major parties. We call these people "Pragmatics," and some of them, "Libertarians," and then a bunch of other, lesser known names for smaller groups. I personally fall in as one of the nice, pragmatic people, but that leads me towards the libertarian end often enough.

Johan

02-20-2008, 09:21 PM

Clinton's welfare reform limited welfare collection to a TOTAL of five years lifetime.

Personally, I think it's his crowning legislative achievement as a president. Take people off the public dole; they will either get work, or get private sources (churches, mosques, etc.) to support them.

Slack3r78

02-20-2008, 09:29 PM

Johan

02-20-2008, 09:37 PM

Stop trying to inject facts into the conversation. Those aren't wanted here. Pissy little rants are far preferred.

I'm not normally accused of injecting facts into the forum, and I'm kinda tapped out on rants (have been for a bit now), so...

how about some Happy Feet?

http://blog.dreamhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/happyfeet.gif

TrackZero

02-20-2008, 09:43 PM

States should be able to choose; oh noes! Damn him for supporting the right of the states to settle that issue as they see fit! I suppose Massachusetts should have been STOPPED! :D

Fair enough, I think the issue should be handled at a Federal level myself. But then again, our provinces aren't as individualistic as the states are I suppose. So whatever works for you guys.

Gilius Thunderhead

02-20-2008, 09:45 PM

I'm not normally accused of injecting facts into the forum, and I'm kinda tapped out on rants (have been for a bit now), so...

how about some Happy Feet?

http://blog.dreamhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/happyfeet.gif

Oh no you didn't! That movie was terrible.

Happy, I'm down with, but if one adds "Feet" to the end of that happy, why...well, I won't do anything. But I'd like to do something.

TrackZero

02-20-2008, 09:46 PM

It is, after all, entirely reasonable for a person to be generally dissatisfied with both of the major parties. We call these people "Pragmatics," and some of them, "Libertarians," and then a bunch of other, lesser known names for smaller groups. I personally fall in as one of the nice, pragmatic people, but that leads me towards the libertarian end often enough.

They're called progressive conservatives up here. But unfortunately, they're a dying breed, since we had them merge with another party (injecting religion into the whole mess) and now they're just "the conservatives" (read: Republicans). Damn shame too, PC party was the kind of right-wing I could go for (concentrating purely on fiscal issues, not imposing social/moral ones). Except now they keep getting lumped in with these other schmucks.

Johan

02-20-2008, 09:48 PM

well, I won't do anything. But I'd like to do something.

You can dance if you want to!

You can dance if you want to
You can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance
Well they're no friends of mine
I say, you can go where you want to
A place where they will never find
And you can act like you come from out of this world
Leave the real one far behind
And you can dance!

Gilius Thunderhead

02-20-2008, 10:16 PM

They're called progressive conservatives up here. But unfortunately, they're a dying breed, since we had them merge with another party (injecting religion into the whole mess) and now they're just "the conservatives" (read: Republicans). Damn shame too, PC party was the kind of right-wing I could go for (concentrating purely on fiscal issues, not imposing social/moral ones). Except now they keep getting lumped in with these other schmucks.

I had to reread your post to make sure that you weren't talking about the pragmatics disappearing by merging into the republicans. I was like, "What? But that's not possible. The definition refuses that...."

Then I caught the big, big part that clearly marks the party you described as analog to our libertarians. I was really, really confused. Alright, I'm not confused anymore. Just thought I'd share my conundrum with you!

Wslove

02-20-2008, 10:26 PM

Can someone tell me how Obama will shift the USA to the UK model where people can live their lifetimes on the dole?

I've listened to his speeches and read his economic policy and there is nothing in there that don't require people to work for it.

$4000 college tax rebate? Go to college and 100 hours community service.
Bankruptcy? Prove it was from medical expenses.
Health Care? Using the purchasing power of the government to make it affordable, regulate in the industry to actually get them to payout and thus provide incentive for people to sign up. None of this manditory crap (unless under 18).
Jobs? Stop giving tax breaks to companies that outsource and give them to companies that create jobs here. (This is the biggest fucking duh ever and I can't believe nobody has implimented it yet.)

The guy didn't specialize in doling out welfare back in Chi town. He worked getting people jobs when their plants closed down. In fact most of his economic policy is suprisingly fiscally conservitive for how liberal his leanings are. Of courese a lot of it depends on the money currently going to Iraq staying home, but then again he has a good policy on that too.

Gilius Thunderhead

02-20-2008, 10:32 PM

Can someone tell me how Obama will shift the USA to the UK model where people can live their lifetimes on the dole?

I don't recall anybody saying that he would. While we were talking about the dole--this was, in fact, brought up by me--that was brought up separately from Obama's policy.

But no, I really can't. That may be for lack of such a plan on Obama's part or my own ignorance, but I don't know which.

Wslove

02-20-2008, 10:40 PM

I don't recall anybody saying that he would. While we were talking about the dole--this was, in fact, brought up by me--that was brought up separately from Obama's policy.

But no, I really can't. That may be for lack of such a plan on Obama's part or my own ignorance, but I don't know which.

Far as I get from his economic policy whitepaper Obama is the last person the Welfare Rich want in office. He has liberal programs but require the person on the recieving end to work for it.

In fact most Democrats in general are far more fiscally conservative then they've been in the past these days. Maybe it's because the Republicans were going into the red like crazy and the Dems realize they can't spend like they used to. Maybe it's some fundimental shift in the party. But most Dems these days are pragmatic about entitlement programs and government spending in general.

You have a few assholes out there tacking on the pork though, I'm looking at you John Murtha.

SuicideKing

02-21-2008, 12:10 AM

You act like your suddenly unsure about voting for Obama. It feels fake man.

Just say it how you really want to.

She seems like she is getting too caught up in it, and sounding like the drones who think any of the candidates are amazing people who will "make the world a better place(tm)."

Bill Clinton does similar stuff for his wife, McCain's wife would too, but she isn't allowed out of the kitchen (I kid).

...I guess you don't read my posts, yet, you claim this is yet another attempt of mine to convince people I'm not a right-winger... (I am, and have always claimed so)

I have yet to say anything positive about Obama, period. How you got that I was unsure about possibly voting for Obama I have no clue, I have precisely no intention whatsoever of voting for Obama, ever, and never have.

The point of this thread is I see that kind of rhetoric and it's a very big negative in my book, but then, all this talk of "hope" and "change" and la-di-da platitudes turns me off as well, yet people seem to be eating it up. The point of this thread was to see what you guys thought of Michelle Obama's involvement, given that she tends to be further out there than Obama. Since I know I'm a minority on this board politically, at least among the usual Politics and Religion suspects, just trying to get reactions from other people.

Wslove

02-21-2008, 12:15 AM

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The point of this thread is I see that kind of rhetoric and it's a very big negative in my book, but then, all this talk of "hope" and "change" and la-di-da platitudes turns me off as well, yet people seem to be eating it up. The point of this thread was to see what you guys thought of Michelle Obama's involvement, given that she tends to be further out there than Obama. Since I know I'm a minority on this board politically, at least among the usual Politics and Religion suspects, just trying to get reactions from other people.

In that case... She forgot to say the word 'more' before proud. If I had a dollar for every phrase that sounded perfect in my head but came out of my mouth missing a word or two or sounding odd I would be a rich man. She's not a public speaker and her tongue slipped. Get over it and go vote for your PNAC puppet McCain.

SuicideKing

02-21-2008, 12:22 AM

Get over it and go vote for your PNAC puppet McCain.

Please... I've been vocal in my dislike of McCain, I'm still considering sitting this election out, the only advantage he has over the dems is he's somewhat better on National Security, though his refusal to comprehend that border security is integral to the former is a negative. He'd probably also appoint judges that are farther to the right the Hillary or Obama would which is the second plus. He's got the cutting spending rhetoric down, but not too sure I trust him on it, given his weakness on tax cutting and other economic policies.

Other than that, he sucks as bad as any dem on immigration, the global warming environmental nonsense, free speech issues (McCain Feingold) his retarded legislation regarding importing drugs from Canada, and his over-the-top anti-Rumsfeld talk, etc...

Wslove

02-21-2008, 12:26 AM

SuicideKing

02-21-2008, 12:33 AM

You should read a book called Jennifer Government. http://http://www.amazon.com/Jennifer-Government-Max-Barry/dp/1400030927/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203578725&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Jennifer-Government-Max-Barry/dp/1400030927/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203578725&sr=8-1)

I bet you would like to live in the world it describes.

And that's why you scare the ever loving shit out of me.

Heh, here's the big disconnect, as far as I'm concerned, the Dems are the authoritarian, over-legislating "don't let the people think for themselves" party, and that's why they/you "scare" me. Our priorities are so radically different that we see in each other the exact same thing, while looking at utterly different data. I value everyone being given a shot at success, and if they blow it, fuck them, you think no one should be allowed to succeed so we can all suck ass together. (yes over-generalization, but you're the one who started flinging those things around, I'm just returning fire).

IrishWhiskey

02-21-2008, 12:57 AM

Heh, here's the big disconnect, as far as I'm concerned, the Dems are the authoritarian, over-legislating "don't let the people think for themselves" party, and that's why they/you "scare" me. Our priorities are so radically different that we see in each other the exact same thing, while looking at utterly different data. I value everyone being given a shot at success, and if they blow it, fuck them, you think no one should be allowed to succeed so we can all suck ass together. (yes over-generalization, but you're the one who started flinging those things around, I'm just returning fire).First: Jennifer Government (http://www.amazon.com/Jennifer-Government-Max-Barry/dp/1400030927) is a good book.

Second: There is absolutely something to the idea that both parties are authoritarian depending on which issues you prioritize. There's a reason small government Libertarians are considered "socially liberal, fiscally conservative". And yet, Clinton managed to reduce the deficit and spending, while Bush increased it and government-derived business monopolies and immunities. I don't think either party can consider themselves exempt from the "don't let the people think for themselves" accusation, but overall I certainly wouldn't consider the Republicans better on the issue.

Third: The "shot at success" is a great idea. Problem is that I tend to consider Democrats better at proposing an equal shot with fair consequences, while Republicans are better at letting people whose parents got the shot pass it on.

AversionFX

02-21-2008, 03:38 PM

Someone in politics is tired of the complacency of government, allowing their lives to be meaningless because they "can't make any change"? I fail to see how this is bad.

Obama's speeches, and the speech of his wife in that video, give me reason to potentially be proud of my country. I'm definitely excited for what may be if he gets elected. It's been way too long.

Beelzebud

02-22-2008, 10:29 AM

I'm shocked the word uppity wasn't used in this thread. I guess we have made progress.

Gilius Thunderhead

02-23-2008, 10:26 AM

Uppity women causing trouble for their men! Won't they ever learn?
(Probably not the person I was supposed to apply "Uppity" to.)

Schnoogs

02-23-2008, 10:28 AM

The "shot at success" is a great idea. Problem is that I tend to consider Democrats better at proposing an equal shot with fair consequences, while Republicans are better at letting people whose parents got the shot pass it on.

I swear I'm going to put together a book about Rationalizations From the Far Left.

That koolaid must taste so good!

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Johan

02-23-2008, 10:33 AM

I'm shocked the word uppity wasn't used in this thread. I guess we have made progress.

You are so hilariously transparent in your efforts to make it appear you are "ignoring" when I currently have nobody ignoring me. Are you two years old? Grow up!

Stop the presses and get them back in their damn homes! ;)

Not only an uppity woman...an uppity black woman!

Okay...breathe now, folks. That was not serious!

I know you saw this, as I'm not currently on ignore by anyone, so the only possible explanation for why you posted what you did is because I spanked your ass all over the place in reference to your hallucinogenic belief that mustard gas isn't a WMD, and that only far-right groups utilize terrorist tactics in the U.S.

You're such a tool. You're good for a laugh, however. :D Carry on with "pretending" to "ignore" when you're not. Do some fact checking when you post, too! You're making an absolute mess of your reputation here.