Microsoft Comments on HD-DVD Situation

[fitbabits]

Via Gamerscore (http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2008/02/18/557448.aspx). Nothing more to add, apart from the comment:

We do not believe the recent reports about HD DVD will have any material impact on the Xbox 360 platform or our position in the marketplace. As we’ve long stated, we believe it is games that sell consoles and Xbox 360 continues to have the largest next-gen games library with the most exclusives and best selling games in the industry. We will wait until we hear from Toshiba before announcing any specific plans around the Xbox 360 HD DVD player. HD DVD is one of the several ways we offer a high definition experience to consumers and we will continue to give consumers the choice to enjoy digital distribution of high definition movies and TV shows directly to their living room along with playback of the DVD movies they already own.
It's over?

[Schnoogs]

This whole HDDVD things reminds me of the 3rd LOTR movies....there were about 25 ENDINGS.

For the next 3 months we're gonna be seeing stories like...

"It's over"

"It's really over"

"It's totally over"

"It's not just over it's OVER"

"Remember that dead format? Well it's dead!!!"

[Johan]

Live Free or Die! :D

http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/weblog/wp-content/files/fatladysinging.jpg

The fat lady sang, a little while ago! :)

[Baron Samedi]

Out of curiosity, did anyone buy a 360 because they were considering HD DVD? Was it a factor for you?

[Rock Bandit]

This whole HDDVD things reminds me of the 3rd LOTR movies....there were about 25 ENDINGS.

For the next 3 months we're gonna be seeing stories like...

"It's over"

"It's really over"

"It's totally over"

"It's not just over it's OVER"

"Remember that dead format? Well it's dead!!!"

Then Blu-Ray bricks right in HD-DVD's mouth. Now that's an Academy Award worthy ending.

[DangerousDaze]

That's a good response from MSFT. A physical HD medium was just one feather in the 360's cap and losing it doesn't impact the games side of things in the slightest.

This whole situation really doesn't have much to do with the 360 at all.

[Schnoogs]

They also made it pretty clear that the PS3 has BluRay and that they have downloadable movies.

The line has been redrawn.

[Rifter]

I am curious if they will come out with a blu-ray player, like the HD player. I have the HD DVD...and considering the number of FREE movies I got with it (that I wanted) I feel like I am in a good position. Especially, now that the other HD DVD movies are dropping in price.

[PsychoticVile]

I had a 360 and then bought the HDDVD player for it when Best Buy had the deal where you got Heroes season 1 plus 2 more HDDVDs and the 5 free via rebate offer awhile back. I've got about 2 dozen movies on HDDVD now.

Then last month when Time Warner switched sides I decided to buy a Blu-Ray player and as I did my shopping I realized the PS3 was the best value player and purchased one. I'm pretty sure that is the reason the PS3 outsold the 360 last month for the first time many people decided they wanted a Blu-ray player and the PS3 was the best value so they went that direction.

[Greeble]

They also made it pretty clear that the PS3 has BluRay and that they have downloadable movies.

The line has been redrawn.

Well remember the plan is to put downloadable movies on the ps3 as well. Its why they went through the effort of getting official "Divx compatibility".
I guess MS is going to try to beat them in dearth of content?
(ps3 downloaded movies are going to bought, so far no mention of renting and as of now MS mostly does rentals. So it could get interesting to see what people prefer.)

[Roc Ingersol]

The line has been redrawn.That's where the line's always been. The HD-DVD add-on was simply created to draw out the format war and push FUD over whether having a blu-ray player was really an advantage. MS never cared whether HD-DVD won or lost.

Similarly, the only reason they'd ever release a BDR add-on, would be to match the PS3 on marketroid bullet-points. They wouldn't care if that sold or not either.

[MelbaToast]

This whole HDDVD things reminds me of the 3rd LOTR movies....there were about 25 ENDINGS.
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Don't forget the awkward laughing scene, where Blu-Ray walks into a room where HDDVD has just woken up, then they both hug slowly and laugh.

[Schnoogs]

That's where the line's always been. The HD-DVD add-on was simply created to draw out the format war and push FUD over whether having a blu-ray player was really an advantage. MS never cared whether HD-DVD won or lost.

Similarly, the only reason they'd ever release a BDR add-on, would be to match the PS3 on marketroid bullet-points. They wouldn't care if that sold or not either.

The line wasn't always just there....they had an HDDVD addon before they ever had a single downloadable movie.

[Durka-Dan]

Wow. I think this is going to be the message this year from Microsoft.
As we’ve long stated, we believe it is games that sell consoles and Xbox 360 continues to have the largest next-gen games library with the most exclusives and best selling games in the industry.
If that is the message we're getting at GDC than can we really expect any big news from Microsoft? I, for one, hope this isn't the stance they are taking. Sitting back on your heels isn't the approach Microsoft can needs to be taking at this point in the console wars.

[Norse]

Wow. I think this is going to be the message this year from Microsoft.

If that is the message we're getting at GDC than can we really expect any big news from Microsoft? I, for one, hope this isn't the stance they are taking.

What's wrong with that statement? Games are more important than anything.

[fitbabits]

What's wrong with that statement? Games are more important than anything.

Except to Sony! :)

[Johan]

What's wrong with that statement? Games are more important than anything.

I wondered the same thing.

My advice to him/her would be to buy a PS3, if games are not the most important thing in a gaming console! :D

[Baron Samedi]

Don't forget the awkward laughing scene, where Blu-Ray walks into a room where HDDVD has just woken up, then they both hug slowly and laugh.

Then all the wii DVDs come in and it's just group hung all around. :D

[Durka-Dan]

What's wrong with that statement? Games are more important than anything.

I agree 100%. However, the "and Xbox 360 continues to have the largest next-gen games library with the most exclusives and best selling games in the industry." is the part I'm concerned about.

We need to hear about the games that are COMING not the games you ALREADY HAVE.

[Venkman]

Don't forget the awkward laughing scene, where Blu-Ray walks into a room where HDDVD has just woken up, then they both hug slowly and laugh.

Rethink that scene, where Blu-Ray walks in and farts on HD-DVD's corpse.

[Schnoogs]

I agree 100%. However, the "and Xbox 360 continues to have the largest next-gen games library with the most exclusives and best selling games in the industry." is the part I'm concerned about.

We need to hear about the games that are COMING not the games you ALREADY HAVE.

You took it from that statament that they wont announce anything new for this year???? :confused::confused::confused:

[shadow763]

i cant wait for tomorrows daily update on EVAV on the same tired story. :rolleyes:

[Durka-Dan]

You took it from that statament that they wont announce anything new for this year???? :confused::confused::confused:

I normally wouldn't reply to you since I have you on ignore, buuuuut, I feel compelled to explain myself before others assume I said that too.

I'm saying I hope they don't take that stance.

[fitbabits]

i cant wait for tomorrows daily update on EVAV on the same tired story. :rolleyes:

See...

We would get equal amounts of crap if we DIDN'T report about it!

You know you don't HAVE to read what you don't WANT to, right?

[Schnoogs]

since I have you on ignore.

Clearly.... :rolleyes:

[Schnoogs]

I'm saying I hope they don't take that stance.

Why would they?

Might as well throw out some other baseless fears while we're at it. :p

[fitbabits]

Why would they?

Might as well throw out some other baseless fears while we're at it. :p

I've already promised my firstborn child to Sony...because I suspected they were going to demand it of me.

[Norse]

Clearly.... :rolleyes:

Hilarious. I didn't know that you could still see posts from ignored users :)

[Yeti2005]

Wow. I think this is going to be the message this year from Microsoft.

If that is the message we're getting at GDC than can we really expect any big news from Microsoft? I, for one, hope this isn't the stance they are taking. Sitting back on your heels isn't the approach Microsoft can needs to be taking at this point in the console wars.

Wait, just to be clear, you think MS saying that GAMES are the most important thing for their GAMING console is somehow wrong? Call me crazy but I think MS is going to talk a lot about GAMES at the GAME Developer Conference.

[Roc Ingersol]

The line wasn't always just there....they had an HDDVD addon before they ever had a single downloadable movie.Video Marketplace wasn't something they just cooked up after the HD-DVD add-on sold poorly. Look at all their press statements on the add-on and Video Marketplace. One of them, is accessible from every single 360 -- a platform planned on from the very beginning of this go-round. The other is 'a choice' you can bolt on; maybe it's a part of a given user's vision, but it doesn't really fit into Microsoft's.

They didn't even jam the thing into the 360 Elite, which was a 360 variant purpose-built to marry the 360 with HD Video. That big-ass HDD in the Elite and distinct lack of HD-DVD drive is all you need to see.

[Rock Bandit]

Why would they?

Might as well throw out some other baseless fears while we're at it. :p

I hope Bill Gates doesn't sneak into my room while I'm asleep and touch me in my bathing suit area.....again.

[jeffbax]

Except to Sony! :)

Which is why Sony has the largest first party, two 100+ million selling consoles, AND included a higher capacity disk, hard drive, and built in wireless to their console right ;)

[Schnoogs]

Video Marketplace wasn't something they just cooked up after the HD-DVD add-on sold poorly. Look at all their press statements on the add-on and Video Marketplace. One of them, is accessible from every single 360 -- a platform planned on from the very beginning of this go-round. The other is 'a choice' you can bolt on; maybe it's a part of a given user's vision, but it doesn't really fit into Microsoft's.

They didn't even jam the thing into the 360 Elite, which was a 360 variant purpose-built to marry the 360 with HD Video. That big-ass HDD in the Elite and distinct lack of HD-DVD drive is all you need to see.

I think thats where they're clearly headed NOW.

[fitbabits]

Which is why Sony has the largest first party, two 100+ million selling consoles, AND included a higher capacity disk, hard drive, and built in wireless to their console right ;)

Hey, I'm just commenting on things as they seem NOW, not as Sony want you to believe they will be with the infrastructure they have built.

[Roc Ingersol]

I think thats where they're clearly headed NOW.Agree to disagree. I think it's certainly more clearly visible now. But that's where they've been headed all along.

[Schnoogs]

Agree to disagree.

I agree....I guess regardless of the past I like where they are right now. I've been buying some of their content and loving it. Pretty nice service...if only my HD was bigger.

[KidCactus]

Hilarious. I didn't know that you could still see posts from ignored users :)
You can, by clicking View post on the actual post from the ignored user.

[Norse]

You can, by clicking View post on the actual post from the ignored user.

LOL, ok. I still haven't ignored anyone so I blame my embarrassing mistake on lack of experience.

[Schnoogs]

You can, by clicking View post on the actual post from the ignored user.

Then what's the point of ignoring them. That makes zero sense.

It's dumb no matter what. Then there's the fact that he has to announce it like an arrogant, condescending, ass.

This is one of those cases where he's doing ME a favor by having me on his list. Keep it that way.

[jeffbax]

Hey, I'm just commenting on things as they are NOW, not as Sony want you to believe they will be with the infrastructure they have built.

Year 1 MS:
========
Kameo: Elements of Power
Perfect Dark Zero
Project Gotham Racing 3
Gears of War
Ninety-Nine Nights
Viva Piñata


Year 1 Sony:
=========
F1 Championship Edition
Folklore
Genji
Heavenly Sword
Lair
MLB 07
Motorstorm
NBA 07 / 08
Rachet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
Resistance Fall of Man
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Warhawk

This is US releases only, so it ignores even more games like Hot Shots Golf 5 which made it out under a year...

I think Sony's doing pretty good, comparatively.

[Roc Ingersol]

Pretty nice service...if only my HD was bigger.That really is the sad shame of XBL. 20gb drives, really? Would it have killed them to bump it up to 40gb when the holiday bundles hit? Personally, I think they should be subsidizing the things, since it makes it so much easier to buy crap off XBL. But even barring that, they should at least be keeping pace with the market.

[fitbabits]

Year 1 MS:
========
Kameo: Elements of Power
Perfect Dark Zero
Project Gotham Racing 3
Gears of War
Ninety-Nine Nights
Viva Piñata


Year 1 Sony:
=========
F1 Championship Edition
Folklore
Genji
Heavenly Sword
Lair
MLB 07
Motorstorm
NBA 07 / 08
Rachet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
Resistance Fall of Man
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Warhawk

This is US releases only, so it ignores even more games like Hot Shots Golf 5 which made it out under a year...

I think Sony's doing pretty good, comparatively.
While you were off researching your list, I edited my post for clarification.

[Lutheran]

LOL, ok. I still haven't ignored anyone so I blame my embarrassing mistake on lack of experience.


I used to have Zeal on ignore , but every time I seen his name I clicked on that damn link to view his post and thats when I realized I had a mancrush on his sarcastic trolling ass. :p

[KidCactus]

Then what's the point of ignoring them. That makes zero sense.

I didn't say it makes sense, just explained that it IS possible to view posts by people you ignore.

[jeffbax]

While you were off researching your list, I edited my post for clarification.

Still, the point still stands. Sony gets so much shit apparently for not focusing on "games" but I don't get it. Since last fall all the big 3rd party games have released on both with the exception of BioShock and it doesn't look like this dual trend is going to change much. PS3 versions are also not coming out shitty in comparison anymore and sometimes even better (like Oblivion, DiRT, Burnout).

360 has a games edge because for a year there was no PS3 but thats really not an issue anymore and anyone picking up a PS3 now has plenty to play and look forward to.

Similarly, Sony's first party seems to be going quite well.

[fitbabits]

Still, the point still stands. Sony gets so much shit apparently for not focusing on "games" but I don't get it. Since last fall all the big 3rd party games have released on both with the exception of BioShock and it doesn't look like this dual trend is going to change much. PS3 versions are also not coming out shitty in comparison anymore and sometimes even better (like Oblivion, DiRT, Burnout).

360 has a games edge because for a year there was no PS3 but thats really not an issue anymore and anyone picking up a PS3 now has plenty to play and look forward to.

Similarly, Sony's first party seems to be going quite well.
Sony themselves have propagated the myth/mis-perception. They've been so focused on Blu-ray that the appearance is that games don't matter as much as winning the format war.

[grognard66]

Year 1 MS:
========
Kameo: Elements of Power
Perfect Dark Zero
Project Gotham Racing 3
Gears of War
Ninety-Nine Nights
Viva Piñata


Year 1 Sony:
=========
F1 Championship Edition
Folklore
Genji
Heavenly Sword
Lair
MLB 07
Motorstorm
NBA 07 / 08
Rachet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
Resistance Fall of Man
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Warhawk

This is US releases only, so it ignores even more games like Hot Shots Golf 5 which made it out under a year...

I think Sony's doing pretty good, comparatively.

Considering Gears of War alone outsold the entire Sony year one lineup, I'd say MS did have a better first year (and less expensive to develop considering there's fewer games). Third-party 360 exclusives also should not be overlooked as their importance during that period cannot be overstated.

[grognard66]

I agree....I guess regardless of the past I like where they are right now. I've been buying some of their content and loving it. Pretty nice service...if only my HD was bigger.

I wonder what would happen to the next gen movie format discussion if Live were to offer a subscription fee for SD/HD movies on marketplace, rather than following the existing pay-per-vew model.
It would be even more interesting if they had another optional subscription tier for the tv shows on the service.

[jeffbax]

Considering Gears of War alone outsold the entire Sony year one lineup, I'd say MS did have a better first year (and less expensive to develop considering there's fewer games). Third-party 360 exclusives also should not be overlooked as their importance during that period cannot be overstated.

Sales != "better games"... ask any Dreamcast fan.

So you're saying you'd rather have one game that sells a lot and makes MS a lot of profit than a handful of games? Please man, thats ridiculous.

Similarly, third party 360 exclusives now are essentially a wash. 360 had its lead while there was no PS3 or devs were still learning the PS3 but now the development is quite equivalent between the two. That, and there really was only a handful of exclusive third party games anyway... BioShock, Dead Rising... and what else of any real importance?

[Ozymandias]

I agree 100%. However, the "and Xbox 360 continues to have the largest next-gen games library with the most exclusives and best selling games in the industry." is the part I'm concerned about.

We need to hear about the games that are COMING not the games you ALREADY HAVE.

You guys do realize it's only, what, February, right? And that GDC, E3, and a variety of other traditional (read: likely) game-announcement venues have yet to even occur? Just take a deep breath - all will be well.

[Yeti2005]

Sony themselves have propagated the myth/mis-perception. They've been so focused on Blu-ray that the appearance is that games don't matter as much as winning the format war.

This is definitely true if Sony's advertising is any indication. For every PS3 commercial about games I see two to three advertising about Blu-ray.

[Chainblast]

Was there ever a HD-DVD game? No. Story over.

[Maynard]

So you're saying you'd rather have one game that sells a lot and makes MS a lot of profit than a handful of games?

No, he is saying:

"Considering Gears of War alone outsold the entire Sony year one lineup, I'd say MS did have a better first year (and less expensive to develop considering there's fewer games)."

[Maynard]

......................Bah

[Gorvi]

Can we have any threads regarding either console without having some dick waving contest between the two sides?

[Yeti2005]

Year 1 MS:
========
Kameo: Elements of Power
Perfect Dark Zero
Project Gotham Racing 3
Gears of War
Ninety-Nine Nights
Viva Piñata


Year 1 Sony:
=========
F1 Championship Edition
Folklore
Genji
Heavenly Sword
Lair
MLB 07
Motorstorm
NBA 07 / 08
Rachet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
Resistance Fall of Man
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Warhawk

This is US releases only, so it ignores even more games like Hot Shots Golf 5 which made it out under a year...

I think Sony's doing pretty good, comparatively.

What do people persist with the logical fallacy that it makes sense to compare the first year of a console's life with a competing console's first year? It's interesting in theory to make comparions at certain time periods but realistically when go into a store to buy a game do you compare all of the games that exist at the time or do you limit your scope to the first year's (or some other arbitrary time periond) games for each console?

Sorry I got side tracked. I have a HD-DVD player, a PS3, and I enjoy HD movies on Live so I think I have my HD movie resources covered. If MS released a blu-ray add-on at least it would most likely be updateable to profile 2.0 (the PS3 was just recently upgraded to profile 1.1).

[Norse]

Can we have any threads regarding either console without having some dick waving contest between the two sides?

What a silly question. Have the redness gone to your head? :p

[jeffbax]

No, he is saying:

"Considering Gears of War alone outsold the entire Sony year one lineup, I'd say MS did have a better first year (and less expensive to develop considering there's fewer games)."

Which... is dumb. I'd rather have Sony put out a collection of quality titles (more than MS did in the first year) than just one big title that happens to sell a bunch.

I'm failing to see how arguing that because MS had less games to release for people, but one of them sold really well, that gamers are better off.

The Disconnect, Where Is it.

[jeffbax]

What do people persist with the logical fallacy that it makes sense to compare the first year of a console's life with a competing console's first year? It's interesting in theory to make comparions at certain time periods but realistically when go into a store to buy a game do you compare all of the games that exist at the time or do you limit your scope to the first year's games for each console?

Because Fita said Sony wasn't about games, which is mind boggling because they released even more games in their first year than Microsoft did, and a wider spread of genres to boot.

[fitbabits]

Because Fita said Sony wasn't about games, which is mind boggling because they released even more games in their first year than Microsoft did, and a wider spread of genres to boot.

I didn't say that explicitly (and don't forget - it's fitbabits). What I said (and later clarified) was that Sony is responsible for spreading the mis-perception that games play second fiddle to Blu-ray and the HD format war.

[Gorvi]

What a silly question. Have the redness gone to your head? :p
I think it must have, but it may have started before that. I've been staying out of these more and more often. ;)

[Johan]

I think it must have, but it may have started before that. I've been staying out of these more and more often. ;)

Dicks aren't meant to be waved?

I'm sure someone told me that somewhere... *scratches head, waves dick...or is it 'scratches dick, waves head?'*

[fitbabits]

I'm sure someone told me that somewhere... *scratches head, waves dick...or is it 'scratches dick, waves head?'*
Isn't that the same thing for you?

[Johan]

Isn't that the same thing for you?

Are you calling me a wavy dickhead? :D

I've been called worse! By my mommy! Nyah nyah! :p

Edit: Thread DERAILED!

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43037000/jpg/_43037655_afp_train416.jpg

[Gorvi]

Dicks aren't meant to be waved?

I'm sure someone told me that somewhere... *scratches head, waves dick...or is it 'scratches dick, waves head?'*
Judging by your offspring, I have a feeling you know exactly what it's meant for. ;)

[grognard66]

Can we have any threads regarding either console without having some dick waving contest between the two sides?

Gorvi gets my nomination for "pot calling the kettle black" award for this one. :p

[shadow763]

See...

We would get equal amounts of crap if we DIDN'T report about it!

You know you don't HAVE to read what you don't WANT to, right?


Well this IS listed under news items, rumors arent really news I would think. Maybe if something concrete would happen then we could have a thread on it with all of the requisite petty bickering. As it is conjecture means nothing except I guess for passing everyones day.

I mean if Toshiba says we are done, then THAT is news, then the war is done. But MS has no say in that, and just looks to be pandering to whomever they can at this point with their circlespeak.

Their "its all about the games" comment is also laughable. But no sense in starting that conversation AGAIN.

[fitbabits]

Well this IS listed under news items, rumors arent really news I would think. Maybe if something concrete would happen then we could have a thread on it with all of the requisite petty bickering. As it is conjecture means nothing except I guess for passing everyones day.

I mean if Toshiba says we are done, then THAT is news, then the war is done. But MS has no say in that, and just looks to be pandering to whomever they can at this point with their circlespeak.

Their "its all about the games" comment is also laughable. But no sense in starting that conversation AGAIN.

This is NOT a rumor! It's a statement by Microsoft. One of the first 'official' on-the-record statements about this from them!

[DangerousDaze]

I still don't understand what all the fuss is about. There's nothing at all contentious about this statement.

[Hexxagonal]

Here's the Metacritic of those

Year 1 MS:
========
Kameo: Elements of Power - 79%
Perfect Dark Zero - 81%
Project Gotham Racing 3 - 88%
Gears of War - 94%
Ninety-Nine Nights - 61%
Viva Piñata - 84%


Year 1 Sony:
=========
F1 Championship Edition - 74%
Folklore - 75%
Genji - 55%
Heavenly Sword - 79%
Lair - 53%
MLB 07 - 76%
Motorstorm - 82%
NBA 07 / 08 - 63% / 63%
Rachet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction - 88%
Resistance Fall of Man - 86%
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune - 88%
Warhawk - 84%

[jeffbax]

I don't see numbers changing much. There's still a lot of great PS3 titles and I'd stand by saying that Resistance, Rachet, Uncharted, Warhawk, and Folklore > Kameo, PGR3, Gears, and Viva. I'd also say Folklore is better than a 75 and PD0 much worse than an 81 but I wasn't making any kind of cut off more of a "how it was accepted by the community" thing.

I'd say Genji's co-op is about as redeeming as PD0's multiplayer :p (not that I'd buy Genji)

Similarly, things like GameRankings put Halo, Tekken 3, etc above Half-Life... meh!

[Schnoogs]

Year 1 MS:
========
Kameo: Elements of Power
Perfect Dark Zero
Project Gotham Racing 3
Gears of War
Ninety-Nine Nights
Viva Piñata.

MS had 6 games the first year....


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

[jeffbax]

MS had 6 games the first year....


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Game_Studios#Xbox.2FXbox_360

What was I missing :confused:

[Durka-Dan]

Why would they?

Might as well throw out some other baseless fears while we're at it. :p

Not baseless. This is GDC week and this is the time to get your people all hyped up about your product. Not time to really be pointing to your back catalog and saying "We're still on top." Yes, MS is still on top. Now, the moment where Sony is showing momentum and MS signs of a stall, is not the time to point to "has been"s but rather what is to come. MS is one of those that don't like to comment unless they have to. Them commenting by pointing to their stockpile of games instead of telling us more about the potential problems they might run into by selling a peripheral for a dead format, tells me that maybe they don't have anything great this year at GDC and instead they will focus on their full list of current games.

Fear? None here sir. If your smelling fear over this little comment MS has made and my small opinion about how I hope this doesn't mean MS will announce anything great at GDC then you might want to step back from gaming for a second.

EDIT: BTW, I use the ignore feature as a way that let me know the following post is from someone who has proven to be a jackass so don't take the poster seriously. I can however view the posts and there's no rule saying I can't reply to them. And yes, I hope my comment did come across to you as me saying fuck you. Your following responses deserved no less.

[fitbabits]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Game_Studios#Xbox.2FXbox_360

What was I missing :confused:

I don't have time right now to look, but the 360 launched with (I think) 12 games.

[jeffbax]

I don't have time right now to look, but the 360 launched with (I think) 12 games.

Published by Microsoft? I don't think so...

We are talking about how many games Microsoft put out their first year compared with Sony.

[Schnoogs]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Game_Studios#Xbox.2FXbox_360

What was I missing :confused:

Because the measure of the console isn't just what MGS released.

[Schnoogs]

EDIT: BTW, I use the ignore feature as a way that let me know the following post is from someone who has proven to be a jackass so don't take the poster seriously. I can however view the posts and there's no rule saying I can't reply to them. And yes, I hope my comment did come across to you as me saying fuck you. Your following responses deserved no less.

Only an idiot would put someone on their ignore list and then go around reading their posts. 100% defeats the purpose of adding them to begin with.

Then again you're the same guy who came up with this baseless fear.

BTW...you would have look 10x more intelligent if you had simply posted "fuck you" instead of prefacing your response with "you're on my ignore list" which clearly doesn't mean jackshit since you went and read the post anyways. :rolleyes:

That's like saying "I'm not a homophobe but you're a fag!"

[OUX]

kHFmmRvLz-A

[jeffbax]

Because the measure of the console isn't just what MGS released.

That isn't what Fitb brought up. He said Sony wasn't "about the games" yet they put out more games than Microsoft in the same amount of time and IMO better games at that.

I disagree with that notion. The fact that the 360 was out a year earlier and has a smattering more of "good" games doesn't mean the PS3 isn't releasing games at a good pace now.

Out of the 24 360 games I had, the only ones from launch worth a damn were Kameo, CoD2 and Condemned.

The only ones I really actually miss since selling them are BioShock, Condemned, Viva Pinata, and Overlord... maybe ChromeHounds but that only got like a 68% so it can't be good right?

Still, I can get CoD4, The Darkness, Oblivion, Guitar Hero, NHL 2k, Sega Rally, Skate, VF5 on PS3.

I don't care much anymore about CoD2, DoA4, Dead Rising (very flawed... and DR2 is coming to PS3), Gears, Mass Effect, Sylpheed, Tomb Raider Legend.

PS3 has been catching up just fine, the 360 really doesn't have that big of an advantage over it by now game wise, and Sony's first party is doing just fine.

[Yeti2005]

Published by Microsoft? I don't think so...

We are talking about how many games Microsoft put out their first year compared with Sony.

I still don't undertand the point of comparing the first year of each console. When you purchase a car do you compare the first year of each make and model that you're considering? I can understand from a theoretical standpoint (let's compare past performance vs projected future) it's an interesting comparison but it has zero relevance on the current state of each console. The question gamers ask themselves when purchasing a console is usually who has the better games RIGHT NOW and potentially in the future not who had better launch titles or titles for an arbitrary period of time.

If you're going to argue pro-Sony then you're going about it the wrong way. The PS3 is all about future potential (that's why I picked one up....that and it was free).

[jeffbax]

I still don't undertand the point of comparing the first year of each console. When you purchase a car do you compare the first year of each make and model that you're considering? I can understand from a theoretical standpoint (let's compare past performance vs projected future) it's an interesting comparison but it has zero relevance on the current state of each console. The question gamers ask themselves when purchasing a console is usually who has the better games RIGHT NOW and potentially in the future not who had better launch titles or titles for an arbitrary period of time.

PS3 has only been out one year, thus Sony has only released so many 1st party titles thus far. In a year since launch, they put out more than Microsoft did in a similar time period.

RIGHT NOW, the games (first and third party) are essentially equivalent, and Sony has been certainly focused "on games" otherwise it wouldn't be outperforming MS in releasing them now would it?

Anyone buying either console at this point will have more than enough to play before the next big releases come. Thus, the "PS3 has no games" argument no longer works.

Still, the point was Sony 1st party vs MS 1st party from the start.

[Micasa]

This is GDC week and this is the time to get your people all hyped up about your product. Not time to really be pointing to your back catalog and saying "We're still on top."

Pointing at a huge list of games you can play RIGHT NOW, not in six months - maybe - and saying how cool they are isn't building hype for your product?

[Durka-Dan]

Pointing at a huge list of games you can play RIGHT NOW, not in six months - maybe - and saying how cool they are isn't building hype for your product?

It's kind of hard to build hype for something when it's already out. Not very effective.

[TeeCakes]

It's so delicious how a lot of you hypocrites used to gang up on any SONY talking-head that tried to-- I believe the modifier placed here most often would be "arrogantly"-- sell potential PS3 owners on the popularity of the pre-existing "PlayStation Brand".

Now MS is basically reduced to covering up their defective hardware nightmares AND the el defuncto HD-DVD horse they backed by releasing this ("arrogant") press release saying the exact same thing about their 'Xbox 360 brand' and its next-gen software library. They're diverting attention from the bad to focus on their one-year software head start and a lot of you are eating it all up with a frickin' jumbo ice-cream scoop.

At least when SONY did it at launch, it was a proud message (maybe foolish.) MS trying to sell this message in Year Three of their console cycle when sales have started to slack and the HD-DVD advantage has turned into a huge negative? It's seems rather desperate.

[Virtuoso]

Still, the point still stands. Sony gets so much shit apparently for not focusing on "games" but I don't get it. Since last fall all the big 3rd party games have released on both with the exception of BioShock and it doesn't look like this dual trend is going to change much. PS3 versions are also not coming out shitty in comparison anymore and sometimes even better (like Oblivion, DiRT, Burnout).

360 has a games edge because for a year there was no PS3 but thats really not an issue anymore and anyone picking up a PS3 now has plenty to play and look forward to.

Similarly, Sony's first party seems to be going quite well.

I think hes got the rabies pa, gonna haveta put him down.

[Durka-Dan]

Only an idiot would put someone on their ignore list and then go around reading their posts. 100% defeats the purpose of adding them to begin with.

I think you just called a lot of people on the boards an idiot like Micasa here who has me on his ignore list. Just because I have you on my ignore doesn't mean I won't be curious enough to click to see what you actually posted. But that's OK, you're on my ignore list, so I know to slip a [douche-bag] and a [/douche-bag] at the ends of your posts so as not to accidentally think your post has anything of value in it. Then again you could have led people astray with what I actually meant so I had to respond to you.

[Schnoogs]

I think you just called a lot of people on the boards an idiot like Micasa here who has me on his ignore list. Just because I have you on my ignore doesn't mean I won't be curious enough to click to see what you actually posted. But that's OK, you're on my ignore list, so I know to slip a [douche-bag] and a [/douche-bag] at the ends of your posts so as not to accidentally think your post has anything of value in it. Then again you could have led people astray with what I actually meant so I had to respond to you.

For someone who has me on their IGNORE list they sure read a lot of my posts. :rolleyes:

Fucking idiotic.

[Durka-Dan]

...and a lot of you are eating it all up with a frickin' jumbo ice-cream scoop.

It's seems rather desperate.

Might as well throw out some other baseless fears while we're at it.

I think teecakes post might sum up this FEAR you may be experiencing as you desperately slam anyone posting in this thread that may think this comment was a sign of something not great.

[Kelegacy]

Sony themselves have propagated the myth/mis-perception. They've been so focused on Blu-ray that the appearance is that games don't matter as much as winning the format war.

We said the same thing about the PSP and UMD, but look how the PSP turned out. A very solid system with many great games.

[Schnoogs]

I think teecakes post might sum up this FEAR you may be experiencing as you desperately slam anyone posting in this thread that may think this comment was a sign of something not great.

That would make sense if I was "slamming" anyone else other than you. :rolleyes:

BTW...I wasn't the only one that did a "WTF?" when they saw your baseless and random statement.

I guess you won't be seeing this though since I'm on your ignore list. :p:p

[JockoIsWacko]

I had a 360 and then bought the HDDVD player for it when Best Buy had the deal where you got Heroes season 1 plus 2 more HDDVDs and the 5 free via rebate offer awhile back. I've got about 2 dozen movies on HDDVD now.

Then last month when Time Warner switched sides I decided to buy a Blu-Ray player and as I did my shopping I realized the PS3 was the best value player and purchased one. I'm pretty sure that is the reason the PS3 outsold the 360 last month for the first time many people decided they wanted a Blu-ray player and the PS3 was the best value so they went that direction.

Speaking of the 5 free via rebate offer:
Did everyone get their discs? It's been about 2 months and counting, and no free HD DVDs for me in sight...........:(

[Micasa]

It's kind of hard to build hype for something when it's already out. Not very effective.

That seems an incredibly effective way to build hype for your product line, instead of continually pointing at some point off 'in the future' and relying on 'future potential' staying believable.

[mister_slim]

Which... is dumb. I'd rather have Sony put out a collection of quality titles (more than MS did in the first year) than just one big title that happens to sell a bunch.

I'm failing to see how arguing that because MS had less games to release for people, but one of them sold really well, that gamers are better off.

The Disconnect, Where Is it.

Well, not to mention his statement is factually wrong.

[Zecon]

We said the same thing about the PSP and UMD, but look how the PSP turned out. A very solid system with many great games.

Depends on who you talk to, I've got 3 games(jeanne d'arc, killzone, and Daxter) for my brand new PSP slim I bought last month, which is collecting dust next to my computer.

[Vanthar]

Depends on who you talk to, I've got 3 games(jeanne d'arc, killzone, and Daxter) for my brand new PSP slim I bought last month, which is collecting dust next to my computer.

So you don't play games, you just buy them?

[Hatchetforce]

MS can do what they want, but Toshiba is about to say HD DVD is dead:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Toshiba/Industry_Trends/Breaking:_Toshiba_Announces_Press_Conference,_Expe cted_to_Drop_HD_DVD/1479

Toshiba has scheduled a press conference for later today, at which it is widely expected to announce that it is officially ceasing support of the HD DVD format.

Japanese news site Nikkei.net broke the news that Toshiba has scheduled a press conference for 5pm Tokyo time Tuesday (that's 12 midnight PST), at which the company is expected to announce that it will immediately stop manufacturing all HD DVD hardware and that it will cease selling them at retail by the end of March.

The news comes on the heels of a rapid succession of high-profile setbacks for the format over the past last week. First, three major retailers -- Netflix, Best Buy and Wal-Mart -- each announced plans to endorse the rival Blu-ray format, followed by intense speculation that Toshiba was mulling over its exit strategy for the nearly two-year old next-gen format (a claim that the company later confirmed, though it stopped short of declaring whether any decision had been made).




MS is going to rely on downloads:

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/51381

"A representative of Microsoft told Shacknews that, "It is premature to speculate about Blu-ray but we do know from market data that HD movie playback is not a primary purchase driver for consumers buying video game consoles."
The representative added, "It continues to be games that drive purchase and that has consistently been a strong point for the Xbox 360 platform."



Nothing like the sweet taste of victory.

ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED:
"BEATEN BY SONY"

[Yeti2005]

We said the same thing about the PSP and UMD, but look how the PSP turned out. A very solid system with many great games.


The PSP has really come into it's own recently but UMD is still a steaming pile of crap. When I purchase games, the first thing I do is rip the iso to play off the memory card. It loads faster and uses a lot less battery.

[ascl]

Out of curiosity, did anyone buy a 360 because they were considering HD DVD? Was it a factor for you?

Definitely a factor for me, and the whole reason I purchased my PS3. I got a 360 a while back and was definitely thinking about the HD-DVD... but when it looked like HD-DVD was a loser, I grabbed a PS3.

So yeah, I'm covered either way now :)

[oldjadedgamer]

Depends on who you talk to, I've got 3 games(jeanne d'arc, killzone, and Daxter) for my brand new PSP slim I bought last month, which is collecting dust next to my computer.

CFW is your friend.

[Gorvi]

CFW is your friend.
And CFW is still not needed. I'd argue that more people use it for illicit means than legitimate reasons.

[oldjadedgamer]

And CFW is still not needed. I'd argue that more people use it for illicit means than legitimate reasons.

So please tell him how to download the free God of War demo without it.

Plus, while I would agree to a point... personally, Sony forced me to use CFW so I could do stuff like download demos like God of War, play all my PS1 games that I bought and paid for years ago, run games off a memory stick so I could save my battery life and kill load times in games.

The PSP is an amazing piece of hardware that is crippled by Sony themselves. Look, it was even locked at 233 for a very long time even though it is a 333. The PSP is 90% but with CFW, it takes it to 100% and makes the system what it should be.

[Gorvi]

So please tell him how to download the free God of War demo without it.
You can't. They weren't going to freely distribute an M rated demo, not for a portable. They should have allowed a larger sign up for it, yes, but they didn't.
Plus, while I would agree to a point... personally, Sony forced me to use CFW so I could do stuff like download demos like God of War, play all my PS1 games that I bought and paid for years ago, run games off a memory stick so I could save my battery life and kill load times in games.

The PSP is an amazing piece of hardware that is crippled by Sony themselves. Look, it was even locked at 233 for a very long time even though it is a 333. The PSP is 90% but with CFW, it takes it to 100% and makes the system what it should be.
Once again, they didn't. I'm sorry, but can you play all of your old NES games on your DS? What about SNES games? No? Well then why should Sony let you be able to rip your PS1 games to your PSP? Do they have any way of checking to make sure you're doing it in a legit way? No, no they don't. What's stopping anyone from freely distributing PS1 ISOs? Do you think publishers would let that fly? Don't get me wrong, I'll get CFW eventually to play my huge PS1 backlog on the go, and I think it's a great thing, but blaming Sony for not allowing you to do it out of the box is ignorant.

As far as the clock speed, that was done to help battery life, which wasn't enough for a lot of people anyway.

Think about that before you say they're crippling the hardware.

CFW is a huge problem on the PSP, and the piracy that stems from it is pretty obvious when you look at the sales of PSP games which are much lower than they should be. Personally, I hope the PSP2 is locked down as tight as possible.

[Yeti2005]

Think about that before you say they're crippling the hardware.

CFW is a huge problem on the PSP, and the piracy that stems from it is pretty obvious when you look at the sales of PSP games which are much lower than they should be. Personally, I hope the PSP2 is locked down as tight as possible.

You're definitely correct in saying that CFW is a problem for the PSP but I doubt I'd even use my PSP if I didn't have it. Load times and battery drain from the damn UMD drive forced me to copy my games (yes games I bought) to the memory card. It's more convenient, takes less battery, and loads faster. Yes it's also nice to the emulators but those aren't as necessary as they were in beginning of the PSP's life.

The UMD drive is definitely a piece of crippled hardware (maybe not so much in the new version).

[Gorvi]

You're definitely correct in saying that CFW is a problem for the PSP but I doubt I'd even use my PSP if I didn't have it. Load times and battery drain from the damn UMD drive forced me to copy my games (yes games I bought) to the memory card. It's more convenient, takes less battery, and loads faster. Yes it's also nice to the emulators but those aren't as necessary as they were in beginning of the PSP's life.

The UMD drive is definitely a piece of crippled hardware (maybe not so much in the new version).
Yeah, the UMD drive has been the major weakness of the system. The loading time thing, though, has been pretty much a non-issue with most games over the past year, though. In the beginning it was a big deal, but not so much anymore.

[Zecon]

And CFW is still not needed. I'd argue that more people use it for illicit means than legitimate reasons.

Well other than playing the games I have, which really arent that great anyway, I used the browser while I was setting my new PC up. I am really dissappointed with PSN, this thing has been out for a few years now and the amount of demos available for it is pitiful, not to mention that there is really little else to do with it, since it's much to large to use as an mp3 player for me. I would gladly pay 50 dollars a year for some more support :rolleyes: