CNN: No Diablo, Starcraft announcement at BlizzCon

[Evil Avatar]

CNN continues its coverage of QuakeCon (http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/12/commentary/game_over/column_quakecon/), looking at the effect the show has had on the industry in its 10 year history, spawning similar shows such as Fan Faire and the upcoming BlizzCon (and the smell of the BYOC area). Speaking of BlizzCon, the column reveals that, despite hopes and rumors, Blizzard will not be announcing Diablo 3 or any sort of Starcraft game at the show. Though Blizzard stops short of anything official, they do acknowledge that the announcement will be linked to World of Warcraft.

[KDups]

Expansion pack. Woo-hoo.

[Abash Alarmist]

Goody...

I want StarCraft 2 damnit.

[Blue]

If the expansion is anywhere over six months off, I think Blizzard is actually going to start having some serious MMO problems. Unless, of course, before that time, they release a load of end-game content. I've probably got a good month and a half before I hit 60 (given the pace I play) and then I can really start hitting the Instances, but there are already a ton of capped players out there and if something isn't done to really make the game fresh or at least opened up more, I think they're going to finally start seeing the masses leave in droves. Doubt that will hurt them, of course, but this is the one title they can't drag their feet with.

[dr_qwandry]

Maybe they will suprise us, who knows.
Damnit I hope they do, i've been waiting for Starcraft 2 for a LONG time.

[Taco]

WOW is the only Blizzard game I have never played and have no desire to play, but it's all they talk about. Doh!!

[Heretic Machine]

They'd better be adding some new races to the game... I friggin hate expansions that don't have no playable races. I know, I know there are plenty of good things about expansions that don't involve playable races, but they are really what I look forward to, and I'm hoping to see some in the first expansion.

I mean come on, we still don't have playable Pandarins, Goblins, Blood Elves... etc.

[Ultima Thulian]

I personally want a Lost Vikings game! That was a classic. And of course Diablo 3 would be nice, even if they no plans yet I'd still like to see it.

[Draft]

Expansion pack. Woo-hoo.My thoughts exactly.

[Rangoth]

NOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! No more Wow!

[Bushido]

Pandaraen Alliance or Horde I cant remember....but yeah they better git on the high end content cause im 51 now going on 60 and the thought about fighting over l337 loots is not appealing, hard enough to grind the last 20 levels with having nothing to look foreward to end game. They need to get some DAoC style Fortress' and conquest.

[mister_slim]

Maybe they'll license the Burnout engine and release a new Rock 'n Roll Racing?

[Zeal]

CNN has the best reporting and editors in the world. Seriously.

[Metal]

An Xbox 360 version of WoW would be sweet. However I'd MUCH MUCH MUCH prefer an expansion announcement. I love WoW. First MMORPG since UO that I've actually enjoyed. :D

[Kyle Jones]

Considering I've finally sworn off WoW after trying and failing to really get addicted a few times now, I really no longer care.

I stand by my word that no MMO can hold my attention for more than 2 weeks.

[Worldcrafter]

It's probably for the best that Blizzard isn't making Star Craft 2, we wouldn't want to lose any more Koreans.

[CrazyMagoo]

If it's WoW related it'll probably be an expansion to the game...maybe hero classes, a whole new faction with 4 new playable races and a lvl cap increase.

But still...here's to hoping they pull a 180 and say that StarCraft 2 will be out some time in the next 5-6 years (it's gotta be perfect in the true Bliz fashion)

[Oddmaker]

noooooooo no more wow stuff :P

[Crabby]

Rolling the gambling dice for hero classes...in a free monthly content download maybe?

[51|RandoM]

Maybe the expansion will add the challenge. ;-)

[Kefkataran]

I pointed out a few weeks ago when Blizcon was announced that this would be the only announcement. So there. :)

[Rommel]

Wow, so now Blizzcon is super expensive and its drawing announcement isn't going to be a new game? Yeesh, glad I avoided that one...

[Blue]

Wow, so now Blizzcon is super expensive and its drawing announcement isn't going to be a new game? Yeesh, glad I avoided that one...

Perhaps Blizz is going to pull a Saturn on us and they already have the expansion done and come the first day of the con, it goes on sale.....and everyone who attends gets a copy.....

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go back to playing my grasping at straws demo.

[CrazyMagoo]

I'd crap my pants in rage if they did that...

[Ultima Thulian]

I'd crap my pants in rage if they did that...

I'd suggest getting your depends ready then. Anything is possible...

[XenonCJ]

It makes pure business sense. If I was in Vegas, I'd put my money on "WoW Expansion Pack".

Why? Because they arn't going to drum up buzz for a brand new game when they have a cash-cow like WoW, with 2.5 million subscribers to sell an expansion pack to.

After the 1st WoW expansion pack I think we'll get our SC2 or Diablo3 announcement... but not a moment before... IMHO

[Mister Pie]

I'd crap my pants in rage if they did that...

That's a whole lotta rage.

[StGeorge]

More likely: "Blizzard announces World of Starcraft and World of Diablo available in 2007."

[CrazyMagoo]

That's a whole lotta rage.

Yes...yes it is

[Spooky]

As I understand it there is no chance for a Starcraft sequel, ever.

Several of the parting employees including lead developer/designer Bill Roper own the several of the copywrights and trademarks for the Starcraft universe with Blizzard owning the rest. Unless one buys the rights from the other, which given the bad blood isn't likely, I do not think its possible to ever see a Starcraft sequel.

If they could, god knows they would, Korean alone would stop working for a week to play the damn game.

[kurr]

No SC2? Seriously? Gah. My heart! Ack! *falls over dead*

[RevGored]

I think I could handle an announcement that has nothing to do with any current property, honestly. As much as I'm ready for Diablo 3, I would really like to see what else Blizzard is capable of beyond thier 3 cows they've been milking all these years.

[A-Team]

As thousands of others have said already, it's going to be the expansion pack which was "confirmed" back in May.

Thanks for letting me down Blizzard. I really wanted Diablo 3. :(

[Ultima Thulian]

I think Blizz will mention StarCraft, just not StarCraft 2. I'm thinking they'll mention something about Starcraft: Ghost. It's been in development so long, there's cave paintings about it.

[Phades]

Perhaps Blizz is going to pull a Saturn on us and they already have the expansion done and come the first day of the con, it goes on sale.....and everyone who attends gets a copy.....

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go back to playing my grasping at straws demo.

They'd be more likely to pull a Valve on us. "The WoW expansion is coming and it's going to be released in September 2005!!"

several months later........... "Um, 2006?"

[Crabby]

Maybe the expansion will add the challenge. ;-)


I would rather it be free since it was original content slated the same as battlegrounds.

Oh yeah, and screw both StarCraft and Diablo. I am so sick of those games. Gag unto me with a spoon.

[Blue]

They'd be more likely to pull a Valve on us. "The WoW expansion is coming and it's going to be released in September 2005!!"

several months later........... "Um, 2006?"

Taking the obvious approach, I see. Well met.

[51|RandoM]

I'd like them to come up with a new game, not related to anything they've ever done before.

I like their art direction quite a bit, be nice to see them focus it on something new.

[Kefkataran]

Umm, if there were no chance of a Starcraft sequel, how could they be making Ghost still? Besides, Bliz has said they plan to revisit the SC universe on the PC at some point in the future, and they said this post-Roper and company leaving.

[nonchalance]

Hoping for the handheld Diablo announcement.
Or handheld StarCraft.

[Mason]

For those wondering about whether WoW will have a great endgame by the time you get there: it won't. Do whatever instance is appropriate for your level, now consider doing it over and over nightly. Mix in some circus-grade PvP and that's all there will ever be.

If you don't mind the treadmill that's one thing, but don't delude yourself that there's anything other than existential angst waiting for you at the end of it.

[Qoz]

So true Mason.. and it's not because they aren't trying.

Good end-game content is about PvP and rewards to who plays best.
I see 2 problems with WoW endgame - threadmilling for items and the PvP implementation.

The battelgrounds is just a big circus with the motto "everyone is a winner". It's a threadmill awarding the most active the most honor points. Casual players like me get no recognition for the PvP skills. Only the the kiddies are awarded because they can spend countless hours in the same instance doing the same over and over again for the small chance of some 5% better equipment dropping. Even when you have the final gear and start PvP'ing you will be disappointed.

PvP is useless in a level and item driven MMORPG with so many skills to each race. PvP is useless in a big scale battle, because so many are ranged and have so many skills. Mages can blink around etc. You don't need strategy really and it is impossible to do any because everyone is running around doing their own thing.

I liked CTF. It is more small scale and some strategy in involved, but still the honorsystem awards the most active. I can do one CTF really well, and earn much less then another doing 2 CTF poorly.

1v1 was really fun in WoW and I made my own scripts to use items against certain spells etc. I was really good at duels and 1v1 in the wild, but lost everytime I met 2 other enemies.

To keep people interested, they need famous players to look up too. Like the Warcraft3 community you have Grubby, APm70 etc. showing extreme skill and inspiring others. Extremely skilled players in WoW are not rewarded and recognized.
They should make a ladder for 1v1 and 2v2 in World of Warcraft with a tourney system with spectator-option and replays for downloading. That would have kept me playing. Not this sissy honor-point system.

These problems cannot really be fixed in WoW because it's a level and item driven game. I liked UO sooo much more, where you could fight with average equipment and still get a good fight going. When you died you just bought some cheap player made GM Sword and armor and you were at it again. The punishment was money and a sligt inconvience, because you had to buy new stuff when you died . In WoW these good swords cannot be player-made and have extreme prices. There is no danger to PvP at all.

WoW PvP = No danger/loss/reward.

[BigJonno]

I doubt it'll be coming any time soon, but I'd love to see Blizzard releasing a decent single player Warcraft RPG. They craft fantastic worlds, they tell great stories and their "RPG" franchise is mind-numbing click-fest.

C'mon Blizz, gimme a great plot, detailed character creation and advancement and let me play on my own. Just stick in a multiplayer mode to keep the Bnet kiddies happy and you'll have a winner.

[The_Reckoning]

Pity, yes.

Blizzard isn't what it used to be, anyway. The people who lead the teams to develop Diablo, Starcraft and Warcraft II had all left by the time Warcraft III was out. They formed ArenaNet. They set up a team and made Guild Wars. Now GW is one of the best-sellers in a short timespan.

I'm hoping they do an RTS next with their own SciFi IP and do for Starcraft what Supreme Commander is doing for Total Anihilaiton.

[Klade]

I called this one months ago. We know there will be an expansion cause even failed MMOs produce an expansion. And its the right time to announce it.

[Blue]

End game content isn't about PvP. In some cases it is, sure, but if that's all the game offered me (a la Guild Wars), I'd fall asleep. GW end-game is just as repetative, but simply in a different fashion. Instead of instancing all the time, you go and fight the same style battles in the same settings over and over again. At least with WoW - for me - I have other things to do (ie - lvling certain professions, etc) besides simply having to quest grind or pvp.

And Mason - where did you get your information. Do you work for the company? And, if so, is Starcraft 2 ever coming out? I love it when people make blanketed, finite comments about a product that isn't even out yet. Didn't realize you knew end-game content wasn't being implimented. Good thing you saved me the trouble with your all-knowing, all-seeing powers. Kudos.

[CrazyMagoo]

Pity, yes.

Blizzard isn't what it used to be, anyway. The people who lead the teams to develop Diablo, Starcraft and Warcraft II had all left by the time Warcraft III was out. They formed ArenaNet. They set up a team and made Guild Wars. Now GW is one of the best-sellers in a short timespan.

I'm hoping they do an RTS next with their own SciFi IP and do for Starcraft what Supreme Commander is doing for Total Anihilaiton.

If only GW didn't suck...only thing it has going for it is the monthly subscription, or lack thereof

[balamoor]

Not to sound like a Blizzard fanboy....but as long as its somthing from Blizzard I'm happy.

[HelpMeee]

The people who lead the teams to develop Diablo, Starcraft and Warcraft II had all left by the time Warcraft III was out.

Oh? You mean Rob Pardo, Chris Metzen, Frank Pearce, Chris Sigaty, Mike Morhaime, Shane Dabiri, and John Lagrave? No, I believe they're actually still there, and that's why World of Warcraft turned out as good as it did. Whew, we have nothing to worry about, thank goodness. Rock on, Blizzard!

[balamoor]

Oh? You mean Rob Pardo, Chris Metzen, Frank Pearce, Chris Sigaty, Mike Morhaime, Shane Dabiri, and John Lagrave? No, I believe they're actually still there, and that's why World of Warcraft turned out as good as it did. Whew, we have nothing to worry about, thank goodness. Rock on, Blizzard!


Yeah...so many people that claim that all the "real talent" in Blizzard has left over look those people. :rolleyes:

[Draft]

If you don't mind the treadmill that's one thing, but don't delude yourself that there's anything other than existential angst waiting for you at the end of it.What? Your trolling doesn't even make sense anymore.

[Mason]

End game content isn't about PvP. In some cases it is, sure, but if that's all the game offered me (a la Guild Wars), I'd fall asleep. GW end-game is just as repetative, but simply in a different fashion. Instead of instancing all the time, you go and fight the same style battles in the same settings over and over again. At least with WoW - for me - I have other things to do (ie - lvling certain professions, etc) besides simply having to quest grind or pvp.

And Mason - where did you get your information. Do you work for the company? And, if so, is Starcraft 2 ever coming out? I love it when people make blanketed, finite comments about a product that isn't even out yet. Didn't realize you knew end-game content wasn't being implimented. Good thing you saved me the trouble with your all-knowing, all-seeing powers. Kudos.

I highly encourage you to stay on the treadmill then. You won't even have to worry about all that repetitive endgame item-farming, since no one wants hunters in their instance groups.

If you've played games for a while, you can sense the future of a product based on a company's actions. Like before SWG even launched, the many contradictions, inaccuracies, and rapidly-shifting game mechanics signalled that the devs didn't have a clue and it would be a failed product. It was. Blizzard has stopped making good decisions with WoW.

The game has multiple zones that are empty of content. Many months after release and they still haven't added the most basic of kill-and-collect quests to a place like Silithus. Class balance is still in the shitter. PvP rewards time investment and not skill, just like most everything else about the game.

If you haven't played MMOs before then I'm sure that spending hundreds of hours grinding your way up a profession in order to make stuff that nobody wants (or can use, self-only craftables is idiotic beyond words) is all sexy and stuff. So have at it. But given that my most hardcore WoW-addict friends have already moved on after a month or two of endgame, it isn't unfair for me to say that it is likely to happen to most people.

[Mason]

What? Your trolling doesn't even make sense anymore.

http://www.dictionary.com

[Draft]

http://www.dictionary.comWow you must have gone to college or something.

FYI, everyone: if you get to the endgame in WoW, you will feel anxiety or apprehension often accompanied by depression of, relating to, or dealing with existence. Because, you see, spending hours playing UT2K4 or Metal Gear Solid 3 or Battleship is a deeply rewarding, life affirming experience, but beating difficult bosses, advancing a neat little avatar and hanging out with your e-buddies is not.

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[Kefkataran]

We know there will be an expansion cause even failed MMOs produce an expansion. And its the right time to announce it.

Also, because they said one was in the works a couple months ago. Just no official announcements on what it would contain or a title yet, which is what I expect will be coming out of Blizzcon.

Honestly, I don't think WoW is a perfect game, and I've even quit it for now. But I still can't believe the bitching about it. Is there an MMORPG that even comes close to producing the amount of user-friendliness and fun that WoW does? City of Heroes, maybe, but WoW certainly beats that in depth. Oh well.

[Blue]

I highly encourage you to stay on the treadmill then. You won't even have to worry about all that repetitive endgame item-farming, since no one wants hunters in their instance groups.

Well then a) why am I getting invited at 54 into raid groups and b) in my guild of about 50 or so, I'm the only Hunter and one of the co-guild leaders at that. It's about how well you play your class that determines who does and doesn't want you. Doubt I'm going to have much trouble finding someone to group with for my epic gear. Appreciate your concern, though.

If you've played games for a while, you can sense the future of a product based on a company's actions. Like before SWG even launched, the many contradictions, inaccuracies, and rapidly-shifting game mechanics signalled that the devs didn't have a clue and it would be a failed product. It was. Blizzard has stopped making good decisions with WoW.

So all of Blizz's decisions based on WoW are poor? Not all of them are great, sure, but that's a far cry from terrible, even "all." And the fact that the game is still beyond fun to play, I have a good time when I fire up BG shows that they're doing something right. And, to be honest, I'm one of the ones who most likely should be complaining, given that I'm a Hunter playing - mostly - under the Marksmen skill set and it's getting nerfed come Tuesday. But, if I switch my play style up some, I'll actually end up more powerful than I was before then. New quests, dungeons, in-game events are being added all the time. Huzzah on blanketing bad decisions. Your generalizations are a wealth of entertainment. At least for me.


The game has multiple zones that are empty of content. Many months after release and they still haven't added the most basic of kill-and-collect quests to a place like Silithus. Class balance is still in the shitter. PvP rewards time investment and not skill, just like most everything else about the game.

I was in Silithus yesterday, actually (fighting stuff around that giant Hive-thing) and had to leave due to overpopulation on the mobs I was fighting. There were too many people there waiting on spawns - on four different quests I had in that area. Don't think they're hurting for zone-content. It's rare even on a weekday morning when I don't see people in every zone I'm in (yes, even when traveling through low to middle level zones). Again, blanketing comments.

Class balance too I can somewhat agree on, but they're improving it - just like most MMO's have to do. But when a BG game of CTF lasts an hour or more, that doesn't seem to support your whine in the slightest. Arguably, if most classes were not-balanced, the game would be a cake for those with these over-powered toons. Sadly, it isn't.

And GW is the exact same on PvP. Your time is what makes you able to play and be good at what you're doing. Sure you can roll a pvp character, but he/she is gimped compared to those who have gone through the game collecting all of their skills and actually playing through various strategies with them. If you don't think GW is based - primarily - on time, then you've got your blinders on. Both what skills you have and how much time you've put into playing your character and getting used to your particular play-style is just as much a sink in GW as it is any other MMO, including WoW, and it determines the vast majority of pvp outcomes whether you want to think it does or not.

If you haven't played MMOs before then I'm sure that spending hundreds of hours grinding your way up a profession in order to make stuff that nobody wants (or can use, self-only craftables is idiotic beyond words) is all sexy and stuff. So have at it. But given that my most hardcore WoW-addict friends have already moved on after a month or two of endgame, it isn't unfair for me to say that it is likely to happen to most people.

Mind you I don't have to make something (grind hours and hours, whatever you want to assume one does) and level up a profession, but I at least would like the option. What does GW give me? I can quest in an instance that's underpopulated and where the mobs spawn in the same locations every time, or I can pvp in the same arenas night after night doing the same attack patterns after each run upon discovering what skill sets work best for the team I have and what I'm up against. At least WoW (and other MMO's) allow for variety. I have probably one of three choices in my nightly playing for GW. Lack of variety and simple streamlining doesn't make for a better experience. I would also agree that neither does a load of options.

And how is it that what I can make are things no one would use? Now that I've gotten the ability to craft dragon armor, I've made about 400g in 3 nights. Why? Because people buy the things I make. How is that self-only? And, with my abilities, I can help out others in my guild so that they can save their money or make then things that I can use to trade for items I myself need. At least learn to argue your point without simply making generalizations and saying that nobody wants something and it does nobody any good. Grasping at straws. Way to be.

It's like there's some strange belief that GW has no grind of any kind when a good half of the game's content is nothing but.

[XenonCJ]

Question - are they going to make an announcement at Quakecon? Or are they waiting for Blizzcon?

[Rangoth]

I hope that they get back to doing what they set out to do in the FIRST place: make GAMES, not a single game and then spend all of time attempting to make people happy. I am so damn sick of hearing about WoW at this point. Any desire to play it is gone.

[bKangy]

2.5 million people disagree with you there.

[Citizen Philip]

I appreciate that some of you people cannot enjoy World of Warcraft. Some of you understand that the mechanics of this particular, or of MMORPGs in general is not the gameplay you enjoy playing, and anxiously await a new title with a greater appeal.

There are some of you that built up World of Warcraft to be the mother of all games and have been utterly crushed that the game is not custom tailored to your specifics desires and are angry.

I suppose there even some people who waited for World of Warcraft to be launched and that WoW would be *the* game to display your magnificent e-peen and that it would be clearly bigger and more impressive than all other e-peens and you would become popular because of it. It didn't happen, and now you despise the game for it.

I enjoy it, and have fun playing.

[Crabby]

1v1 was really fun in WoW and I made my own scripts to use items against certain spells etc. I was really good at duels and 1v1 in the wild, but lost everytime I met 2 other enemies.

So, what the hell? You're whinning about skilless PvP in the same post you admit to creating action scripts? I think that just makes you a jackass.

Also, check this one out if you will:

2>1

[Lind]

I love World of Warcraft but ive recently ended my subscription and im not sure what this expansion has to add to the game to make me want to return. Now im going to go back to Star Wars Galaxies and blast some Jedi with my Bounty Hunter.

[Borys]

2.5 million people disagree with you there.

Make that 3.5 million.

[Adewade]

Does the number really matter at this point? Lets just stick with 'really, really big'.

[Oblivion]

nintendo should contact blizzard and offer them to remake Diablo2+LOD and add more extra cool stuff, on DS! that would kill productivity all over the world.

[Murmillo]

Two Words: Fuck Blizzard and thier goddamn WoW whoring attitude.
Take a great game, trash it by turning it into a buggy yet very pretty time sink MMO. Bah. Fuck Blizzard.

[Kefkataran]

Two Words: Fuck Blizzard and thier goddamn WoW whoring attitude.
Take a great game, trash it by turning it into a buggy yet very pretty time sink MMO. Bah. Fuck Blizzard.

Two words: Bitter motherfucker.

[balamoor]

Two words: Bitter motherfucker.


word :cool:

[Rangoth]

What bothers me about WoW is the fact that they promised the sky yet have failed to deliver. Yes, there are good reason but you know what? That really isn't my problem. I didn't promise it did I? If you make a promise, fucking keep it.

[KNOTE]

World of Starcraft.

[Rangoth]

Nope, I know the next secret Bliz project. I'll tell ya'll because I know you can keep a secret, but no telling!!!!

Diablo vs Starcraft on the Virtual Boy :)

[XenonCJ]

World of Starcraft.They should make StarCraft the expansion for WoW, so you could go into these lame ass dungeons and mow down the fairys, smurfs and pixies with plasma rifles.

[Rangoth]

See, if I could kill a smurf with a plasma rifle that would be killer. I still would like to be one of Diablo's minion's and do mess me up some fairy's.

[Kefkataran]

They should make StarCraft the expansion for WoW, so you could go into these lame ass dungeons and mow down the fairys, smurfs and pixies with plasma rifles.

yeh LOL fantazy settingz r gay!1

[Rangoth]

>gives Kefkataran a dollar< Use that to pay someone to teach you about the English language. :)

[Kefkataran]

LOL i hate english :(:(:(:( thats ok i can use teh dollar 4 f00d or s3><.

[gloogan]

I would like to see a World of Diablo but like someone else said (can't remember who) A single player with multiplayer as just an option. I like the MMORPG's but w/o the MMO part. People piss me off. I recently canceled my WoW subscription because It got boring, the quests were repetitive, crafting system srewed up, among other things I felt were dumb. I would much rather see a D3 than a WoW expansion pack, but chances are that won't happen. I also wouldnt mind something new from them either. I'm not sure what they could do though w/o doing what they have already done over again. They've done scifi, fantasy, and i guess medeval is what you'd call D2. Unless it's like some sort of wild west game but that'll flop most likely, like every other wild west game out so far.

[Kefkataran]

Unless it's like some sort of wild west game but that'll flop most likely, like every other wild west game out so far.

Great reasoning skillz.

[Oblivion]

chicks love guys with great reasoning skillz.

[Kefkataran]

Then chicks will be ALL THE FUCK OVER Gloogan.

[nonchalance]

Then chicks will be ALL THE FUCK OVER Gloogan.

Dude!
Now you're showing mad reasoning skillz!
The ckickz0rz will be going for you now!!11!oneone!one!! lolololol

[Rangoth]

I thought Red Dead Revolver did alright @ retail.

[gloogan]

I didnt mean that Blizzard couldnt pull it off, I just meant wild west games dont seem to be very popular. I love Blizzard and most of what they do but I just dont see anything brand new w/o doing the same thing over again or tweaking it a little. And I wish chicks did dig reasoning skillz. :(

[nonchalance]

I just dont see anything brand new w/o doing the same thing over again or tweaking it a little.

So there's no difference between sci-fi game X and sci-fi game Y?
Or fantasy X and fantasy Y?

[gloogan]

Like I said they would have to tweak the genre to get something new. When you boil things down theres only a few basic types of games. So pretty much every game out there is a combo of a few or a tweaked version of one. So yeah I guess what I'm saying is that scifi x and y arent much different from each other unless ones fps and ones rts. If there are two fps scifi games they are gonna be pretty much the same in the end. The storys will be different in some ways, weapons, and characters, but it'll still be shooting aliens/monsters/whatever you like to get to the end of the game where you fight "mega boss" and kill it to save the world or whatever. There are a lot of games that are just repackaged copies of the same bs.

[Kefkataran]

And I wish chicks did dig reasoning skillz

Don't we all.

[Ultima Thulian]

Are there any chicks reading this thread? Are there any chicks on the whole damn forum?! Thanks a lot gloogan, you pissed them off now they left to tell their girlfriends how much we suck instead of dealing witht the problem head on. Great fucking job! The feminist squads will be most pissed! (pls, anyone don't take this seriously)

[Rangoth]

Are there any chicks reading this thread? Are there any chicks on the whole damn forum

Please don't tell me you are looking here for women. How about we all chip in and get a patch kit for Ultima's girlfriend? ;)

[gloogan]

sorry man I was wrong in whipping out my mad reasoning skillz w/o warning. I promise *fingers crossed* that I wont do it again.

And as for the patch kit I happily chip in. I know the pain hes going through. :( :D