Every other forum has had a post in the last 3 days..

[cp#]

This once hasn't. ;) ;)

EVE doesn't count. It's serious business.

[Shadowstorm]

Meh. Not much else to say.

[Suave Peanut]

And now there are three!

[Digital Outlaw]

Ya, this forum went to the shitter..

[NationalKato]

It doesn't help that the threads don't show up in the sidebar. I've petitioned Evil to add this back (since it was the Halo 3 release that caused it to be removed in the first place) but he has not responded or complied, so I'm thinking it's not going to happen.

A shame, really, as Bungie continues to update and add content to the game and there are obviously members of this site who still play.

[Skull3r]

I have a week of exams up, but this friday, the 22nd, I will be on from bout 10:00 pm to maybe all night long. Gaming's my way of destressing after a serious week. Anyone want to join? Send me a request with Evil Avatar in the message and I'll send an invite.

[Primus]

Anyone think this will overtake COD4 over time?

I played some COD4 for the first time and was actually pretty disappointed, I just don't get it. Maybe I need to get some more levels.

As for now this game is still king to me.

[Skull3r]

I just came back from playing Call of Duty 4 for a couple weeks. I don't know, i like that its more fast paced. That's the one element that I miss the most from halo 2. In H3, it seemed like they were trying to focus on the epicness of large-scale combat, with the inclusion of equipment and maps that are bigger than anything we've seen before (sand trap and val halla). But they are still no maps like the simple midship, which was the most-played map of halo 2. The intensity of those matches are still unparalleled by anything halo 3 has to offer.

[Primus]

What I love about all 3 Halos was just how chaotic it gets. The handling of the vehicles, the varied grenades, and crazy weapons.

COD4 needs some vehicles before it begins to compare in my mind.

The Warthog is one of the best additions to the genre ever.

[PrivateJohn]

COD4 is like Halo 2 with some battlefield charm (the perk + rpg element)

Halo 3 cater quite abit too much to the hardcore & competitive crowd which result in a turn off to casual crowd.

The randomness in Halo 3 kick ass!

[Skull3r]

COD4 is like Halo 2 with some battlefield charm (the perk + rpg element)

Halo 3 cater quite abit too much to the hardcore & competitive crowd which result in a turn off to casual crowd.

The randomness in Halo 3 kick ass!

Really? I thought halo 3 catered too much to the not hard core crowd!!! I thought the high-paced competitive nature of halo 2 excluded those from wanting to start to learn how to play. Halo 3 has a less steep learning curve because of its slower pace.

[Shadowstorm]

Halo 3 is indeed slower than Halo 2. There was something about H3 that I couldn't put my finger on until I read your post, Skull3r. I suppose that's why I've been playing more CoD4 than Halo recently. It's faster.

Halo 1 MP > Halo 2 MP > Halo 3 MP in terms of fast-paced action.

[PrivateJohn]

Really? I thought halo 3 catered too much to the not hard core crowd!!! I thought the high-paced competitive nature of halo 2 excluded those from wanting to start to learn how to play. Halo 3 has a less steep learning curve because of its slower pace.
Halo 3 auto aim is alot lesser than Halo 2, infact it almost feel like Halo 1.

Killing people is pretty easy in Halo 2, just like COD4.


btw, since when halo is a fast pace game? UT or Quake 3, ya but Halo?

[Wolvie]

It doesn't help that the threads don't show up in the sidebar.

Chalk another one up for the crybaby Halo haters.

Edit: It shows up in the sidebar, so I guess it's a non-issue now.

[duff himself]

Halo (multiplayer) is the only fps i enjoy right now. Yea there is a ton of issues but I just can't get into anything else. When I think about it, I think it comes down to I really enjoy jumping in a game. When its missing it ruins the game for me!

[iHap]

I didn't even know this still existed. Creepy.

[NationalKato]

Edit: It shows up in the sidebar, so I guess it's a non-issue now.

This is good.

[TheKeck]

Seems like it's time for the Halo 3 forum to be put to rest.

[Baron Samedi]

Could we trade this in for a Smash Bros thread?

...I know, I know, MS agreements aside.

[Deadend]

I haven't played Halo 3 in months because someone who is good at Halo 3 will completely wipe the floor with me, but CoD4 is not as bad. Maybe because CoD4 gives a massive negative hit to aiming while moving, while Halo 3 wants you to jump and shoot at the same time.

[ResistanceAddict]

Probably because everyone is playing COD4. I don't play Halo 3 much anymore because I've gotten tired of how broken it is. When the patch comes, we'll see, but no patch Bungie has made to a Halo game in the past has changed it from being a twitchy, broken mess.

Therefore, I've been spending all my spare time playing COD4.

[UWCrash]

If I could catch a few EvAv'ers on Live I'd love to get into some BTB or the social Rocket Race list (assuming it still exists).

Also, I can't see his post because he's on my ignore list, but I'm willing to bet ResistanceAddict has said something about how "broken" Halo 3 is and that it's not worth playing compared to CoD4.

[PrivateJohn]

Probably because everyone is playing COD4. I don't play Halo 3 much anymore because I've gotten tired of how broken it is. When the patch comes, we'll see, but no patch Bungie has made to a Halo game in the past has changed it from being a twitchy, broken mess.

Therefore, I've been spending all my spare time playing COD4.
Why is halo 3 broken? Care to elaborate more?

[thesilentdeath]

If I could catch a few EvAv'ers on Live I'd love to get into some BTB or the social Rocket Race list (assuming it still exists).

Also, I can't see his post because he's on my ignore list, but I'm willing to bet ResistanceAddict has said something about how "broken" Halo 3 is and that it's not worth playing compared to CoD4.

Actually his post is about that. Anyway I'll get on in Halo if I see others on in Halo, or someone sends me an invite. That is of course if I'm not playing a RPG since sometimes it's hard to find a place to stop in them.

[NationalKato]

I'm frequently playing...played a ton this weekend and had a blast. Nevermind ResistanceAddict, he's been touting that tired message for some time now. I've never seen the reason for a Halo vs. COD issue - the games are very different and satisfy two of my gaming loves: fast-paced and tactical FPS games.

[ResistanceAddict]

Why is halo 3 broken? Care to elaborate more?

Isn't it obvious to everyone by now?

1. The worst lag on any "good" shooter I've ever played. That constitutes most of it. The inconsistency makes this game entirely broken. I'll shoot you with the Br in the head 3 times and lob 2 grenades at your feet and you'll still live, yet you'll throw one grenade at me and I'll die. Erratic spreads, inconsistent shots, and standbying is still an issue. LOL.
2. This kind of stuff happens offline sometimes as well.
3. Halo is and always has been twitchy and flawed.
4. 30 FPS? Yuck.
5. I'd prefer to play game like COD4 that requires SKILL, more hand-eye coordination, rather than just spam kill someone with the piece of shit know as the AR. Or I can lunge 5 feet to kill someone (And people say Halo 3 takes more skill than Halo 2, lol). Halo 3 caters to the noob crowd, not the competitive crowd.
6. Halo ruined FPS games with vehicles (this is more just my opinion, though).

I know there's tons more, I just can't think of it ATM. Probably because Halo 3 is so far from my mind since I've been playing COD4 and no Halo for the last 3 weeks. You guys can all think what you want, and there's no reason if you like Halo you should let me influence you, but how can anyone truly enjoy a game this flawed? BTW, most of my complaints have been proven time and time again. If you think this game is without it's serious flaws, you're delusional. End of story. There happens to be a very large base of Halo players that feel the same way (or should I say KNOW everything I'm saying is true). I love how the fanboys just live in their own little world where Halo is God when it's nothing more than a mediocre shooter created by a laughable developer. What other "top notch" (LOL) game/game franchise has this laundry list of problems, with button glitches and everything else to go along with them? Halo can be fun (until you start cursing at your TV wondering how you were killed when you shot the opponent with the same gun he shot you with 2 seconds before he even responded to you), but it's NOT top notch. It's just an empty shell of what it could have been, especially Halo 3.

Halo needs a patch desperately, and even with it, the chances the game will be actually GOOD are slim to none. It never happened with Halo 2.

Someone put me on their ignore list simply for a negative comment on Halo 3? Wow, that's so pathetic. That's one gung ho fanboy. So much for logic.

[Shadowstorm]

Damnit, do we absolutely need to go through this again?

I was going to post a link to that "Nobody's playing" thread anymore, but that seems to have gotten swiped away in The Great Forum Culling of '08, too.

[PrivateJohn]

Isn't it obvious to everyone by now?

1. The worst lag on any "good" shooter I've ever played. That constitutes most of it. The inconsistency makes this game entirely broken. I'll shoot you with the Br in the head 3 times and lob 2 grenades at your feet and you'll still live, yet you'll throw one grenade at me and I'll die. Erratic spreads, inconsistent shots, and standbying is still an issue. LOL.
2. This kind of stuff happens offline sometimes as well.
3. Halo is and always has been twitchy and flawed.
4. 30 FPS? Yuck.
5. I'd prefer to play game like COD4 that requires SKILL, more hand-eye
1. That happen in any game, not just Halo. In fact it happens in COD 4 too.
2. er...
3. er...
4. er...
5. Have you seen how many COD4 players on high rank? Almost everyone can get on prestige mode with ease. Where is the skill?
Try to get pass level 45 in lonewolf for Halo 3 and see how it feels. I am currently stuck at level 44.

[Deunnero]

When do the maps go free for all? I am looking forward to that, as are many others I am sure.

[Primus]

Isn't it obvious to everyone by now?

1. The worst lag on any "good" shooter I've ever played. That constitutes most of it. The inconsistency makes this game entirely broken. I'll shoot you with the Br in the head 3 times and lob 2 grenades at your feet and you'll still live, yet you'll throw one grenade at me and I'll die. Erratic spreads, inconsistent shots, and standbying is still an issue. LOL.
2. This kind of stuff happens offline sometimes as well.
3. Halo is and always has been twitchy and flawed.
4. 30 FPS? Yuck.
5. I'd prefer to play game like COD4 that requires SKILL, more hand-eye coordination, rather than just spam kill someone with the piece of shit know as the AR. Or I can lunge 5 feet to kill someone (And people say Halo 3 takes more skill than Halo 2, lol). Halo 3 caters to the noob crowd, not the competitive crowd.
6. Halo ruined FPS games with vehicles (this is more just my opinion, though).

I know there's tons more, I just can't think of it ATM. Probably because Halo 3 is so far from my mind since I've been playing COD4 and no Halo for the last 3 weeks. You guys can all think what you want, and there's no reason if you like Halo you should let me influence you, but how can anyone truly enjoy a game this flawed? BTW, most of my complaints have been proven time and time again. If you think this game is without it's serious flaws, you're delusional. End of story. There happens to be a very large base of Halo players that feel the same way (or should I say KNOW everything I'm saying is true). I love how the fanboys just live in their own little world where Halo is God when it's nothing more than a mediocre shooter created by a laughable developer. What other "top notch" (LOL) game/game franchise has this laundry list of problems, with button glitches and everything else to go along with them? Halo can be fun (until you start cursing at your TV wondering how you were killed when you shot the opponent with the same gun he shot you with 2 seconds before he even responded to you), but it's NOT top notch. It's just an empty shell of what it could have been, especially Halo 3.

Halo needs a patch desperately, and even with it, the chances the game will be actually GOOD are slim to none. It never happened with Halo 2.

Someone put me on their ignore list simply for a negative comment on Halo 3? Wow, that's so pathetic. That's one gung ho fanboy. So much for logic.

If you hate this series so much why did you play Halo 2 and 3?

Also I don't really see the skill needed to play COD4. Every game I have played has been find a yellow dot and hope you shoot it around the upcoming corner before it gets you (the Halo motion sensor radar is much more well thought out in my opinion). Also having a GPS on your enemies in a modern warfare game is pretty laughable. I can show you the Blue Force Tracker the Army uses, I can tell you that our enemies over in Afghanistan and Iraq are not kind enough to carry beacons feeding information to our satellites on their position. Also the whole airstrike aspect doesn't really need any skill.

In my opinion I think Halo 3 is pretty well balanced as far as weapons go too. I love it.

[II ZoiD II]

1. That happen in any game, not just Halo. In fact it happens in COD 4 too.
2. er...
3. er...
4. er...
5. Have you seen how many COD4 players on high rank? Almost everyone can get on prestige mode with ease. Where is the skill?
Try to get pass level 45 in lonewolf for Halo 3 and see how it feels. I am currently stuck at level 44.

The leveling system in COD is completely different than in Halo. You cant look at the 2 different styles of advancement and say that because you can go prestige with ease in COD that the game takes no skill. Its not made for that. The system is simply made to always advance and continue to unlock new features. Halo's leveling system is strictly skill based Im almost certain.

[duff himself]

When do the maps go free for all? I am looking forward to that, as are many others I am sure.

I keep hearing spring '08.

[PrivateJohn]

The leveling system in COD is completely different than in Halo. You cant look at the 2 different styles of advancement and say that because you can go prestige with ease in COD that the game takes no skill. Its not made for that. The system is simply made to always advance and continue to unlock new features. Halo's leveling system is strictly skill based Im almost certain.
Ya i get what you mean but isn't it obvious anyone can kill eventhough there are "pro" in the game??
For games like Halo 3, Quake, CS, UT....if you spot a pro in the game, you pretty much will get own and it's hard to kill the pro.

In COD4, it's not hard to kill people due to the heavy auto aim and its gameplay element that feel very much like halo 2. I mean i can simply spray and yet able to kill someone.

Disclaimer : that does not mean i am saying COD4 suck in anyway.

[UWCrash]

Damnit, do we absolutely need to go through this again?

I was going to post a link to that "Nobody's playing" thread anymore, but that seems to have gotten swiped away in The Great Forum Culling of '08, too.

http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38620

That's the "Nobody's playing" thread. Managed to find it in my posts history. A lot of claims by Resistance over and over again with no hard evidence or links to where others are posting about the same issues he's experiencing, not to mention his inconsistencies between posts.

And I'm a Halo fanboy now? Woo! According to Bungie.net the only thing I've played in Halo 3 since November 5 is the Halo stage at Rally Point Alpha. I thought I'd have to do more than that to get promoted to fanboy.

[ResistanceAddict]

1. That happen in any game, not just Halo. In fact it happens in COD 4 too.
2. er...
3. er...
4. er...
5. Have you seen how many COD4 players on high rank? Almost everyone can get on prestige mode with ease. Where is the skill?
Try to get pass level 45 in lonewolf for Halo 3 and see how it feels. I am currently stuck at level 44.

1. Yes, but it hasn't always been like that. The lag in COD4 is somewhat tolerable, since only a few shots kill you anyways. In Halo, where you have to shoot for a long time (thus the lack of skill) it makes more difference. As far as lag being in every game, no. Not to this degree. This is why I praise Resistance. It is a great game and runs super smooth online with little to no lag. People overlook the game when it's easily one of the best shooters ever made, and far more polished than any Halo game, barring a few minor things. Anyone who's not stupid and played both games thoroughly would know this.

2, 3, and 4: er? Is that agreement?

5. Um, dude, who said anything about rankings? As you've stated, rankings don't determine skill, that's besides the point. You need skill to play COD4. Since it's realistic and a few shots kill you, you need good hand-eye coordination and better reflexes. You also need a better sense of tactics. You can't win by just running around a map spraying people with an AR and shafting everybody, or take a rocket launcher and camp in a stupid room and expect to rack up kills, or just lobbing grenades at your opponent automatically and quick.

COD4 is more tactical and requires much more skill.


And to anyone that thinks I hate Halo, I don't. I just acknowledge that it's not what it's made out to be. It's fun for a while, and that's it. It's a mediocre game franchise by a mediocre (at best) game developer. I wish some of the fanboys would join me in the real world where Bungie and their massively over hyped franchise aren't anything special. Anyone who's played through Halo 2 and 3 enough either knows that the games are severely flawed or at least more flawed than the average "great" game (Button glitches??? Come on, what other games have it this bad?), is in denial, or is just totally ignorant to it.

I just grow tired of the Halo fanboy attitude. "If you don't like Halo, you suck at it and your opinions and/or logic don't matter. There are 2 categories of games: Halo and everything else. Halo is perfect, Halo is an amazing game (rofl). There is nothing wrong with Halo, and it isn't broken (even though there's TONS of evidence to prove the contrary). If you think anything is wrong with Halo, you are automatically a hater and have no right playing it, and are just wrong. Bungie is God (even though their Halo franchise is plagued with flaws?)."

etc. etc.

Logic is so hard to come by nowadays. Some people just want to devote their loyalty to something and completely defend everything about it, even if it's complete BS. What's the point of it? This is where I take Johan's attitude about something. What's the point in denying anything wrong about something?

[PrivateJohn]

The "er..." is not agreement, merely speechless due to your "personal hatred" towards Halo. Pretty funny too.

From your argument, i almost laugh out loud. If you say you are not a fanboy or any different, you are in denial.
Have you really play COD4 that much? Almost EVERYONE is lobbing grenade. Worst still, 8 out of 10 players are putting the perks so that when they die, they drop a grenade to get "cheap" kill (some may argue its not, but it's not the point). Rocket Launcher isn't your main weapon and it's tweak until it's mainly for bird hunting - heli.

Of course you can't win by running around like an idiot but sure as hell, i can run out spraying AND still rank up top 5 in scoring. If you tried that for Team Slayer or Lonewolf in Halo 3 with pro, i can guarantee you gona get 0-2 kills max. You need to know where to go, the map and most importantly your aiming.
If you are saying "hey there is always Hardcore Team Deathmatch", then you shouldn't compare to Halo 3 anymore because it's on the same league as Tom Clancy Titles such as Rainbow Six or Ghost Recon.

Tactics are applicable to both game on different levels.
Lastly, if COD4 require more skill then why is the auto-aim on COD4 almost the same level as Halo 2, if not more. Simple question.

Disclaimer : again, i am not arguing Halo 3 has no flaw or COD4 suck.

1. Yes, but it hasn't always been like that. The lag in COD4 is somewhat tolerable, since only a few shots kill you anyways. In Halo, where you have to shoot for a long time (thus the lack of skill) it makes more difference. As far as lag being in every game, no. Not to this degree. This is why I praise Resistance. It is a great game and runs super smooth online with little to no lag. People overlook the game when it's easily one of the best shooters ever made, and far more polished than any Halo game, barring a few minor things. Anyone who's not stupid and played both games thoroughly would know this.

Ookaay....now i get it. I almost miss that, now i understand why you hate halo. ;) Oh in case you didn't know, for a battle rifle headshot you just need 3-4 shots. You must be piss at how the pro got you.

[Baron Samedi]

http://nikon.bungie.org/images/danrhine_wedding/Halo-Cake.jpg

[ResistanceAddict]

The "er..." is not agreement, merely speechless due to your "personal hatred" towards Halo. Pretty funny too.

From your argument, i almost laugh out loud. If you say you are not a fanboy or any different, you are in denial.
Have you really play COD4 that much? Almost EVERYONE is lobbing grenade. Worst still, 8 out of 10 players are putting the perks so that when they die, they drop a grenade to get "cheap" kill (some may argue its not, but it's not the point). Rocket Launcher isn't your main weapon and it's tweak until it's mainly for bird hunting - heli.

Of course you can't win by running around like an idiot but sure as hell, i can run out spraying AND still rank up top 5 in scoring. If you tried that for Team Slayer or Lonewolf in Halo 3 with pro, i can guarantee you gona get 0-2 kills max. You need to know where to go, the map and most importantly your aiming.
If you are saying "hey there is always Hardcore Team Deathmatch", then you shouldn't compare to Halo 3 anymore because it's on the same league as Tom Clancy Titles such as Rainbow Six or Ghost Recon.

Tactics are applicable to both game on different levels.
Lastly, if COD4 require more skill then why is the auto-aim on COD4 almost the same level as Halo 2, if not more. Simple question.

Disclaimer : again, i am not arguing Halo 3 has no flaw or COD4 suck.


Ookaay....now i get it. I almost miss that, now i understand why you hate halo. ;) Oh in case you didn't know, for a battle rifle headshot you just need 3-4 shots. You must be piss at how the pro got you.

So in other words, you have nothing to counter what I said since it's truth? Glad we got that squared away. Hatred? More senseless babble. I point out a game's obvious flaws, so that makes me full of hate. LOL. Think of a game you've played that you were frustrated with highly because of how poorly it was made and see if it elicits the same response. Probably not, because it isn't HALO, the almighty king of games. LOL.

How exactly am I a fanboy? For pointing out a game's flaws? You know what? By that idiotic logic, we're all fanboys, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US. People like you just don't seem to be able to distinguish teh difference between logic and fanboyism. And besides, how does NOT LIKING a game make me a fanboy? You'll have to explain that one. Or are you calling me a COD4 fanboy? Whatever. I never glorified the game even though it's obviously better made. I just said it was more fun and required more skill. As far as the grenades, duh. What I meant (and said clearly, yet you seem to have missed it) is that grenades work as in real life in COD4. You have to take time to pull the plug and send it flying, whereas in Halo you can lob grenade after grenade like they were baseballs.

Tactics on Halo 3 don't get much more intricate than camping a corner with a Mauler. You could mentioning sniping tactics, but sniping in Halo is easier than in any FPS I have ever played. Most of the maps also offer FAR more tactical possibilities than anything Halo has to offer. The weapons and maps can be fun on Halo 3, but most of the maps and quite a few of the weapons blended in many of the environments the game sets creates a lot of imbalance. Hell, the starting spamming noob weapon piece of shit called the AR is enough proof of that.

Auto aim is far beside the point. I could care less about that. As I said, the skill comes in having less time to think and more strategy to implement, and far more quickness and hand-eye coordination to implement. You can't just lob grenades one after the other while someone spends 3 seconds shooting you down with an AR.

Really? Not all the time, sir. The BR spread, like just about every weapon, is inconsistent (although I believe that's because of the lag). And wow, what a typical senseless response. "Oh you're just jealous of the pro, and how much you suck." No. I have no problem identifying and admitting a better player. But it's pretty hard sometimes to judge someone by skill when no matter how good you are, you can be screwed over royally by the terrible lag problems and unregistered shots. COD4 has the same problems, but again, since it is realistic, it is far less noticeable. Maybe that's just because of the servers, I don't know. It's just easier to see Halo's faults and that Halo has more of them. COD4 is certainly at its core a more well-made, far more polished game than Halo 2 or 3, there's NO denying that.

Fine. I'm just sick and tired to death of the ignorant attitude that there's nothing wrong with Halo, and the denial that it's far more flawed than most games that are reputed to be excellent. There are FAR better games out there that haven't even been realized fully or at all while this mediocre game continues to be over hyped and overrated.