XBox 360 Launch Lineup

[bapenguin]

Electronics Boutique expects Microsoft to ship the Xbox 360 as early as November 2, 2005 for an MSRP of $299.99 They have created a list of X360 games for the console launch.

The list was aquired by IGN from EB and features 21 launch titles, including three first-party games from Microsoft Game Studios -- Perfect Dark LE (i.e. Limited Edition), Kameo: Elements of Power, and Project Gotham Racing 3, approximate pricing, and sku numbers for every game.

Microsoft representatives officially re-confirmed with IGN today Rare titles Perfect Dark and Kameo would definitely launch day and date with the system, echoing Vice President Peter Moore's comments prior to E3. "PGR3 should launch with the system, if everything works according to plan," said a Microsoft representative. "But those first two (Perfect Dark and Kameo) are our big pushes for day one."

The full list (alphabetically) includes:

Amped 3 (2K Games)
Call of Duty 2 (Activision)
Condemned (Sega)
Dead Or Alive 4 (Tecmo)
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Bethesda)
Final Fantasy XI (Microsoft)
Full Auto (Sega)
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter (Ubisoft) <Holiday 05>
Gun (Activision)
Kameo: Elements of Power (Microsoft)
Madden NFL 06 (EA)
NBA 2K6 (2K Games)
NHL 2K6 (2K Games)
The Outfit (THQ)
Perfect Dark LE (Microsoft)
Project Gotham Racing 3 (Microsoft)
Quake 4 (Activision)
Ridge Racer 6 (Namco)
Saints Row (THQ)
Tony Hawk's American Wasteland (Activision)
Top Spin 2 (2K Games)

Xbox 360 second wave launch titles, which EB has scheduled for November 16, include the majority of Electronic Arts' games:

Burnout Revenge
FIFA Soccer 06
Peter Jackson's King Kong
NBA Live 06
Need For Speed Most Wanted
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06

All games have a 59.99 price tag, except Kameo, which is listed at 49.99.

[makkura]

i'm a sucker for dead or alive so i'll probably buy one......

[Heretic Machine]

Alright... let's see what we have here.

Don't need to buy Oblivion here, because I'll have it for PC where it's got moddable goodness...

Kameo if it gets good reviews.
DoA4 is a definate must-by for me.
Perfect Dark LE.
And King Kong when the second wave hits.

Seems like a fairly solid launch line-up.

[Borys]

You gotta admit that's a fine list. Almost every genre is present.

Million times better than that horrible PS2 launch list.

[bean19]

Perigon - I defy you to watch this Gun (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/gun/index.html?q=gun) developer interview and not get this title. The old west is perty.

Sega's Condemned (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/adventure/condemned/index.html?q=condemned) also looks incredibly scary/fun. Silent Hill meets forensic tools. . .

I won't even make you a link for Edler Scrolls: Oblivion. . . that just must not be your thing or you live in a cave, but it will be a killer app if it delivers. (edit: Ah, you are getting the PC version. I'm retarded, sorry)

The toughest thing for me is going to be weaiting for Burnout Revenge (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/driving/burnoutrevenge/index.html?q=burnout+revenge) to ship on the X360. Maybe I'll get one on the old X-Box too. . . hopefully it will still trade-in well 2 months later.

I'm hoping other people buy the hell out of Amped 3 (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/amped3/media.html) because I don't want to spend $50 on it, but snowboarding games tend to be super fun. I'm thinking the same thing about tennis with Top Spin 2. . . but Top Spin's graphics aren't all that fantastic. . . I want another Top Spin though, one that doesn't make every point such a huge victory after you get in the top 10. Tired of getting schooled and aced by Sampras.

Hell. . . just watch this (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/topspin2/media.html) and then tell me you aren't going to spend an unseemly amount of money on launch titles.

Oh yeah. . . if you like the FPS:

Quake 4 (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/quake4/media.html)
Ghost Recon (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/tomclancysghostrecon3/index.html?q=ghost+recon)

The Outfit (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/theoutfit/index.html?q=the+outfit) also looks promising, but I'm waiting for a gameplay movie. Can't judge a game by it's CG trailer.

[bean19]

What was the name of that "fireworks display" game that launched for the PS2? I still see it at the bottom of used game bins all the time? Sony would never let a game like that ship again. lol.

[Paranoia]

Perhaps the best list of launch titles I have seen.

[Thunderbrand]

What was the name of that "fireworks display" game that launched for the PS2? I still see it at the bottom of used game bins all the time? Sony would never let a game like that ship again. lol.

Fantavision!

[bean19]

Perhaps the best list of launch titles I have seen.

They are TOTALLY playing to win in this generation.

I'm stoked because I buy every system (even Gamecube every time there is a Zelda title - then I keep it long enough to hate myself for spending $150 on Zelda and trade it in for $50). Anyway, raising the bar means that Playstation will have to work to get over it.

The one thing I don't see in this lineup are any games that target the Japanese market. Only one RPG. . . no rhythm games or off-the-wall properties. They will be getting Koei's Dynasty Warriors 5 (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/dynastywarriors5/index.html?q=dynasty+warriors+5) but evidently not at launch.

[EvilBob46]

Good list. Looking forward to buy when Gears of War comes out.

[Paranoia]

The one thing I don't see in this lineup are any games that target the Japanese market.

Well this is a list for American release. I don't think EB is big in Japan.

[Darkmatter]

Theres one thing the 360 won't have (I think) that may hurt them. Sony recently decided to include one of those Physics Chips that allows the console/computer to handle way more complex object collisions. Such as a building being demolished and having millions of tiny peices of brick and steel fall and interact with each other in a life-like manner based on gravity, object density, and weight. I think it also can help take the load of other things. Anything that deals with physics, and many games now use increasingly complex and realistic physics. If the 360 can't handle these amazing feats they may come up short in 1 of the "WOW" aspects of games for the next generation.

My understanding of this new chip is really limited since its not even out yet, so please excuse the huge mistakes I probably made in the area of... facts. lol ;)

[jpublic]

Wow, you guys are gushing over the list, while I'm massively disappointed.

No RPG other than Oblivion and FFXI? Meh.

I mean, sure, Condemned looks kind of neat (fan of Silent Hill-type games) and Gun *may* be worth bothering with, but everything else is less than I was hoping.

[Borys]

Theres one thing the 360 won't have (I think) that may hurt them. Sony recently decided to include one of those Physics Chips that allows the console/computer to handle way more complex object collisions. Such as a building being demolished and having millions of tiny peices of brick and steel fall and interact with each other in a life-like manner based on gravity, object density, and weight. I think it also can help take the load of other things. Anything that deals with physics, and many games now use increasingly complex and realistic physics. If the 360 can't handle these amazing feats they may come up short in 1 of the "WOW" aspects of games for the next generation.

My understanding of this new chip is really limited since its not even out yet, so please excuse the huge mistakes I probably made in the area of... facts. lol ;)

Well your first huge mistake is that Sony didn't decide to add this chip to PS3.

The rest of your post easily falls apart.

[Adam Blue]

Man. I usually buy one or two titles on a launch date which are the must-haves...but I'm gonna have a hard time deciding on two. I might have spend a lot.

[Paranoia]

Theres one thing the 360 won't have (I think) that may hurt them. Sony recently decided to include one of those Physics Chips that allows the console/computer to handle way more complex object collisions. Such as a building being demolished and having millions of tiny peices of brick and steel fall and interact with each other in a life-like manner based on gravity, object density, and weight. I think it also can help take the load of other things. Anything that deals with physics, and many games now use increasingly complex and realistic physics. If the 360 can't handle these amazing feats they may come up short in 1 of the "WOW" aspects of games for the next generation.

My understanding of this new chip is really limited since its not even out yet, so please excuse the huge mistakes I probably made in the area of... facts. lol ;)

What makes you think Physic Chips = Greatest game?

[VoodooKarma]

Wow, you guys are gushing over the list, while I'm massively disappointed.

No RPG other than Oblivion and FFXI? Meh.

I mean, sure, Condemned looks kind of neat (fan of Silent Hill-type games) and Gun *may* be worth bothering with, but everything else is less than I was hoping.

I would have been happy with just Oblivion, having FFXI is just icing on the cake (even though I won't be playing FFXI). Oblivion should keep me occupied for quite a while. I can't wait until I can get my hands on it!

[Everlost_MI]

Very nice, now I wonder if Best Buy or Circuit City is going to do pre-ordering? I prefer to get my systems there since they offer replacement warranties. I've had bad luck with my Xbox in the past and don't want to eat $299 to get another when/if the 360 dies.

[bean19]

Everlost_MI - Gamestop offered insurance that was much cheaper for the PSP than Best Buy's. They've finally caught on to this evidently.

[KNOTE]

My understanding of this new chip is really limited since its not even out yet, so please excuse the huge mistakes I probably made in the area of... facts. lol ;)

Borys is correct, there is no Aegia physics chip in PS3. Sony is selling the SPEs as being able to do the job. The misconception came with Sony's announcement that they lisenced Aegia's physics middleware (that runs on their physics chip but also without). It is like Havok or any of the other physics middlewares you've heard of.

[bean19]

What makes you think Physic Chips = Greatest game?

Or phantom physics chip even. :)

What these chips do is take the physics calculation off of the main processor, just like graphics cards took drawing graphics off the main processor. I'm already bemoaning the "need" to buy one of these in a few years, but if we are going to have completely destructible environments then you can expect to have them.

I think there will be a huge move to these after some middleware is built for them. Honestly surprised that Microsoft hasn't come up with a DirectX counterpart to these thingies yet, or at least announced their development. Maybe they are adopting the "wait and buy their company" strategy instead. . . once there is a clearly superior middleware created.

I'd also be surprised if they don't come out with graphics/phsyics card hybrids at some point.

*shrugs*

I'll buy one when a game comes out that is a "must have" and requires it to play.

[Intruder]

I am waiting to see what the release is like. If the games are priced the same as have been in the recent past, then I will get one. Several of those titles look promising. However if the titles costs $60 that is the end of my console playing days. I can't justify that kind of money being spent on games.

[bait]

Agreed. I'm not going to support $60 games. It's ridiculous and economies of scale says that's a bad idea.

[Talanvor]

Whoa, looks like I'll finally play a Final Fantasy game, hrm. Hope it's good.

[DriveALW]

Didn't they confirm a couple of weeks ago that all these listings of Burnout:Revenge shipping for 360 in fall were false? I thought they said there was a title coming for 360 next year, that may or may not be another version of revenge. I think the listings for Revenge shipping for 360 in the fall are false, is my point.

[Everlost_MI]

Everlost_MI - Gamestop offered insurance that was much cheaper for the PSP than Best Buy's. They've finally caught on to this evidently.

Really? I will have to check them out then, thanks!

[Savok]

Solid list that holds no interest for me, Oblivion will be better on PC (government supercomputer PC, but still).

Don't expect Rare's stuff to make launch, it never does.

[TheHammerGod]

Whoa, looks like I'll finally play a Final Fantasy game, hrm. Hope it's good.

And the Final Fantasy game you choose is a port of a little regarded MMPOG title that costs $60 and has a monthly fee? Its not that good, believe me.

[evilpenguin9000]

While this list of release titles looks better than some releases in the past (cough ps2, cough) it's still not great. I'll probably hold off until either Halo 3 or a price drop.

[51|RandoM]

First six months of ps2, I mostly spent playing old favorites from the ps library.

This is a much better launch, but nothing on their list appeals to me that I can't get on PC instead. I'm sure they'll come up with something that makes me buy an xbox360, but I've not seen it yet.

[Furious Wang]

Stop...360...just stop......You had me at "Hello"...

This is without a doubt the greatest launch lineup of all time.

[bapenguin]

Sony isn't including the PhysX chip. They are including the SDK by default. No hardware, only software. The XBox 360 can support the SDK as well, but it's on a developer by developer basis.

[jpublic]

I would have been happy with just Oblivion, having FFXI is just icing on the cake (even though I won't be playing FFXI). Oblivion should keep me occupied for quite a while. I can't wait until I can get my hands on it!

WHY?!

Take a lesson from Morrowind. The PC version will be better, modable, and will have expansions. Why would you want the console version?

Honestly, I'm not impressed:

1) FPS games on consoles will always be second-class as compared to their PC offerings, due to one reason: The Mouse. _Gun_ might be interesting enough to overcome this (like Metroid did) but I doubt it.

2) Whee, more sports games. Professional sports game I played was NHLPA 93. NINETY *freaking* THREE. Well, if you count Blitz I used to rule that one in the arcade.

3) Ooh ooh ooh. Racers! Like I don't have a bazillion of those to choose from on every other console made by man. These are supposed to impress me?

4) Platform games bore the crap out of me. I do hold out high hopes for Kameo.

5) FFXI and Oblivion will be better on the PC. The moment a game has a PC port it *will* be better on the PC.

6) Like I said earlier, Condemned looks cool, and may be the saving grace of that entire initial release list.


I know I'm a bit unusual in this, but I buy consoles for the RPGs, really. That's my entire collection. That's why I never got a XBox, since Jade Empire was the only exclusive *good* RPG on the system.

I have high hopes for the X360, and great fears. I hope that MS develops the X360 line in new ways, going after genres they've historically let flounder. I fear (and expect) that I'll just see a continuation of the same library the XBox had - quality, but in all the wrong places for me. This lineup isn't soothing those fears any.

[bean19]

Didn't they confirm a couple of weeks ago that all these listings of Burnout:Revenge shipping for 360 in fall were false? I thought they said there was a title coming for 360 next year, that may or may not be another version of revenge. I think the listings for Revenge shipping for 360 in the fall are false, is my point.

Who knows.

I'll probably end up getting this for 2 systems. . . *sigh*

That's probalby why they are being so mum about the X360 release. Could be they are releasing "early" because of a deal with Microsoft though. Evidently they are subsidizing some of these releases to make the best of their early start.

It would be a really good thing if X360 has a 2 million U.S. install base by the time PS3 ships. Make PS3 earn it. I'll be getting both systems, but I know that we consumers really get our money's worth when companies compete.

$60 per title is super high and will drive down sales a lot IMO. For me, it is the difference between buying and waiting on titles of which I am not certain. I can spend my money on older games and wait for the trade-in price or a price drop for games that look really cool like "Gun" and "Condemned". I'll only throw $60 on something I'm sure of. I know it's just $10 more than usual, but it's a lot more psychologically.

[makkura]

no installation and x-box live, nuff said.

[bean19]

WHY?!

Take a lesson from Morrowind. The PC version will be better, modable, and will have expansions. Why would you want the console version?

Maybe he doesn't have the bones to make the PC version play as pretty as it will play on the X360, and/or he wants all of the expansion packs to date.

I won't be getting it because it is a resell of a game I bought on PC, but there are probalby some Japanese enthusiasts that will switch over because the graphics will be so greatly improved over the PS2 version.

[VoodooKarma]

WHY?!

Take a lesson from Morrowind. The PC version will be better, modable, and will have expansions. Why would you want the console version?


Because for the price of a new video card to run Oblivion on my PC, I can buy the Xbox 360. Trust me, if I had a top of the line video card I would get Oblivion for my PC in a second. Besides, I am fairly sure you will be able to use mods and expansions on the Xbox 360 version as well from some of the previews I have read since the Xbox 360 has USB ports and that whole marketplace system set up on Xbox Live.

[Pumped'Up]

You gotta admit that's a fine list. Almost every genre is present.

Million times better than that horrible PS2 launch list.
lol, what a silly fanboi. why bother comparing with a previous gen system that launched 6 years ago? sheesh.

every genre almost...but most of those titles are crappy sports titles that can be played today. YAWN.

There are only a few worthwhile titles there. Nice lineup, but nothing spectacular really.

[HALO 32]

cant wait for elder scrolls IV and PDZ

oh yea burnout revenge isnt coming to 360, EA confrimed a new version for 360 then some news comes up that its either going to be a new version or a seriously revamped version of Burnout Revenge, either way it should ship in 2006

[Heretic Machine]

I know I'm a bit unusual in this, but I buy consoles for the RPGs, really. That's my entire collection. That's why I never got a XBox, since Jade Empire was the only exclusive *good* RPG on the system.

I doubt very much that you buy consoles for RPG's, since the XBOX is the only one that even had *A* RPG this generation. You must be thinking of J-RPG's, please don't get them confused. You see one involves role-playing (RPG's) and the other involves watching characters yap, yap, yap for about sixty hours (J-RPG's).

If you're looking for J-RPG's, just buy a PS3, the 360 and Revolution are not for you.

EDIT: Oh, and you're not unusual, every drooling anime-kid that I've ever met plays J-RPG's almost exclusivley. Which is why I no longer hang out with the anime club at my university.

[funtownarcade]

If you don't like console games, or its lineup doesnt appeal to you, get over it and don't buy it, don't troll. They are not going to make a launch lineup that caters to every gamer out there.

[Pumped'Up]

WHY?!

Take a lesson from Morrowind. The PC version will be better, modable, and will have expansions. Why would you want the console version?

Honestly, I'm not impressed:

1) FPS games on consoles will always be second-class as compared to their PC offerings, due to one reason: The Mouse. _Gun_ might be interesting enough to overcome this (like Metroid did) but I doubt it.

2) Whee, more sports games. Professional sports game I played was NHLPA 93. NINETY *freaking* THREE. Well, if you count Blitz I used to rule that one in the arcade.

3) Ooh ooh ooh. Racers! Like I don't have a bazillion of those to choose from on every other console made by man. These are supposed to impress me?

4) Platform games bore the crap out of me. I do hold out high hopes for Kameo.

5) FFXI and Oblivion will be better on the PC. The moment a game has a PC port it *will* be better on the PC.

6) Like I said earlier, Condemned looks cool, and may be the saving grace of that entire initial release list.


I know I'm a bit unusual in this, but I buy consoles for the RPGs, really. That's my entire collection. That's why I never got a XBox, since Jade Empire was the only exclusive *good* RPG on the system.

I have high hopes for the X360, and great fears. I hope that MS develops the X360 line in new ways, going after genres they've historically let flounder. I fear (and expect) that I'll just see a continuation of the same library the XBox had - quality, but in all the wrong places for me. This lineup isn't soothing those fears any.
I agree with you jpublic. But slight correction here.

Take for example, Spider-Man 2 for xbox/ps2 - it was far superior than the heap of garbage the PC port had. Now you could argue that the PC port was a completely different game and therefore not a direct translation of the console version, so your point #5 is valid ;)

[Reanimated]

Yeah, I would get Oblivion for the PC if I wanted to spend 200 hours hunched over my computer keyboard. Uh... actually, no thanks. I can do that at work.

I think I'd much rather spend that 200 hours on my couch, in front of my 60 inch Grand Wega LCD HDTV, 5.1 sound blaring, with a wireless controller in hand. Who knows... maybe I'M crazy...

[RandomViolence]

The moment a game has a PC port it *will* be better on the PC.

Ummm... no. PC ports from console games have notoriously sucked. If you're talking about titles that're concurrently developed, then I'll agree that the PC *version* has its' advantages i.e. mod-ability, scalable graphics, etc. However, Halo PC sucked donkey balls, Final Fantasy games on PC sucked goat balls. I can't stand the Splinter Cell games on PC because I hate the mousewheel mechanic they implemented instead of analog stick control (admittedly, I could probably install a gamepad and play it fine). Anyway, my point is that I don't agree with the idea that a PC version is inherently better.

[Heretic Machine]

Yeah, I would get Oblivion for the PC if I wanted to spend 200 hours hunched over my computer keyboard. Uh... actually, no thanks. I can do that at work.

I think I'd much rather spend that 200 hours on my couch, in front of my 60 inch Grand Wega LCD HDTV, 5.1 sound blaring, with a wireless controller in hand. Who knows... maybe I'M crazy...

Ya, but you can't mod it. My best experiences in Morrowind have involved mods. Believe me, I owned both the XBOX and PC versions of the game, and the PC version got WAY more playtime once I had it.

[Metal]

I'm getting the Xbox 360 of course this year and I'll snag probably around 4 games with it and rent several others. However even I can admit that Microsoft hasn't exactly given me a reason to be excited over it yet. I'm hopeful that they will blow the lid off the system at X05 and actually show off some really great looking games. PGR3 and Gears of War are the only titles I've seen the blow my doors off. Elder Scrolls 4 and CoD2 both look good as well. The rest I think look kind meh or a little below what I'm expecting.

[mister_slim]

Is this the 'launch' or the 'launch window'? Because I doubt all these games will make the launch.

[Deathbane27]

Ya, but you can't mod it. My best experiences in Morrowind have involved mods. Believe me, I owned both the XBOX and PC versions of the game, and the PC version got WAY more playtime once I had it.

It should be noted that we don't yet know for sure whether or not the X360 version will be able to run player-made mods. We know you can download official Bethesda mods and expansions via Live, and can't create mods on the 360. But from here (http://www.rpgfan.com/previews/oblivion/) and a few other places ("And with Xbox Live support, players will be able to download new content on the fly from Bethesda. They’re even working on ways to allow players to more easily trade their creations online."), it looks like they might be going for being able to run player mods on the 360. Maybe.

If it's a question of, "Do I want to make my own mods?" instead of, "Do I want to be able to play other people's mods?", that will help sell the Xbox360 version.

As for me... well, I make mods, so I'm getting the PC version. But my computer's getting old, so I might be tempted to buy the PC version for modding and the 360 for playing. Maybe. :p

[Darkmatter]

Ummm... no. PC ports from console games have notoriously sucked. ... Halo PC sucked donkey balls. ... Anyway, my point is that I don't agree with the idea that a PC version is inherently better.

Why do you say Halo (PC) sucked? Because of the lack of Xbox Live, or another reason, because I played Halo only on the PC and I found it more enjoyable a game then Halo 2 on the Xbox simply because of the ease of beign able to use the mouse.

[Darkmatter]

Sony isn't including the PhysX chip. They are including the SDK by default. No hardware, only software. The XBox 360 can support the SDK as well, but it's on a developer by developer basis.

Yes so I am told. I stand many, many, times corrected. : :p

[RandomViolence]

Why do you say Halo (PC) sucked? Because of the lack of Xbox Live, or another reason, because I played Halo only on the PC and I found it more enjoyable a game then Halo 2 on the Xbox simply because of the ease of beign able to use the mouse.

The re-tooling of the graphics engine for PC caused a plethora of problems, as the original was completely optimized for Xbox hardware.

I'm sick of arguing the mouse vs. controller point. Halo 2 is a better game for having controller input instead of keyboard/mouse. To me this is a fact, not an opinion. Not to mention, the Banshee and Fuel Rod Cannon made an already unbalanced multiplayer mode into a spamstorm.

Halo PC was unbalanced as shit, and either shoddily programmed or the engine was just impossible to tune.

[Kelegacy]

I doubt very much that you buy consoles for RPG's, since the XBOX is the only one that even had *A* RPG this generation. You must be thinking of J-RPG's, please don't get them confused. You see one involves role-playing (RPG's) and the other involves watching characters yap, yap, yap for about sixty hours (J-RPG's).

If you're looking for J-RPG's, just buy a PS3, the 360 and Revolution are not for you.

EDIT: Oh, and you're not unusual, every drooling anime-kid that I've ever met plays J-RPG's almost exclusivley. Which is why I no longer hang out with the anime club at my university.

Meet Perigon, hater of anything "j" oriented. J-RPG's arent RPG's? Hmm...what are they then? That's like saying an action-adventure has no action in it.

Oh, and what "RPG" was the only one released this generation, and for Xbox? Fable?? Heh.

[Ultima Thulian]

I think the 360 launch is looking great. Tons of genres. Original titles to balance known series/licenses. Gears of War and DOA4 are my titles of choice. If my christmas wallet allows it, I'll get Full Auto, Oblivion(my pc sucks :p), and if it doesn't suck, Perfect Dark LI.

Hell, the 360 has a better launch lineup than say the ps2,xbox(if you want to be cruel),cube,DS,PSP. I know those aren't next gen systems and it is a little unfair to compare it to a next gen lineup, but whatever, impressive nonetheless. The last time I've seen a list with such variety and quality was on the GBA.

As for the RPGs, the original creator of Final Fantasy (Sakaguchi I believe his name is) has stated he'll make two or three original RPGs for the system. Oblivion and FFXI give you the pc style rpgs. Solid overall methinks.

[Adam Blue]

Haven't games been $60 for a long time? Wasn't it until the format change that titles moved down to $50? I remember buying Genesis and SNES games for $60...or my parents rather. But I do remember buying N64 games for $70(some). Give it a year, and all will forget that we're paying $10 more.

Remember how much certain consoles were when first released?

[Ultima Thulian]

And not all titles will be 60. I imagine first party titles like Kameo will be 50. 'Sides, games get cheaper in time.

[bapenguin]

haha..someone called Borys an XBox fanboy. Of course it was vomited from Pump'd Up.

[Reanimated]

What mods were so great for Morrowind?


Anyway, I rarely bother with user-created mods- especially ones that alter gameplay. I spent over 200 hours playing Morrowind on the Xbox. Not only would I have not spent that much time playing on the PC (purely due to discomfort), but I certianly wouldn't have put in any additional time because of a mod.

[Twigz'N'Berries]

I am going to be broke.
I am getting 6 of those games without question...I will then rent a few and make a decision about a week later. I am excited for the release...but wary of all of the stuff I'm hearing about the HD and the HD-DVD player.

[Hijinx]

Burnout Revenge will be mine.

[Kelegacy]

What mods were so great for Morrowind?


Anyway, I rarely bother with user-created mods- especially ones that alter gameplay. I spent over 200 hours playing Morrowind on the Xbox. Not only would I have not spent that much time playing on the PC (purely due to discomfort), but I certianly wouldn't have put in any additional time because of a mod.

MANY mods made Morrowind miraculous (talk about alliteration!!). The mod-scene for that game is phenomenal. I played through the game with some exellent sound mods, visual mods, character and item mods, environment mods, basically everything that didnt make the game easier or more difficult mods...but instead made the game more enjoyable.

[Heretic Machine]

Meet Perigon, hater of anything "j" oriented. J-RPG's arent RPG's? Hmm...what are they then?

Bad CG movies. Also, I don't hate the Japanese, or even their games. Just J-RPG's. They make most of the coolest platformers and non-FPS shooters that are out there. They have also brought me countless fighting games, and other action oriented titles. And who doesn't like tenticle monsters raping anime chicks? That's cool. What isn't cool about J-RPG's? They no longer feature any kind of interesting gameplay, and they are chock full of cinematics, taking me further and further out of the game. CG movies stopped being cool after the first time I saw'em, their eye candy doesn't impress me.

The re-tooling of the graphics engine for PC caused a plethora of problems, as the original was completely optimized for Xbox hardware.

I'm sick of arguing the mouse vs. controller point. Halo 2 is a better game for having controller input instead of keyboard/mouse. To me this is a fact, not an opinion. Not to mention, the Banshee and Fuel Rod Cannon made an already unbalanced multiplayer mode into a spamstorm.

Halo PC was unbalanced as shit, and either shoddily programmed or the engine was just impossible to tune.


First, I agree that arguing controller vs keyboard/mouse for FPS's is stupid. They both work for me now that we're in an age with two analog sticks are standard for a controller.

Second, yes the Halo 3D engine sucked as on PC, at least in single player. For some reason I didn't get much trouble out of the multiplayer side of things. Go figure.

Third, Halo PC has MUCH better maps than either Halo or Halo 2. Not to mention that I can pick which maps I want to friggin play on instead of using some dumbass preset cycle

EDIT: Oh, and neither the fuel rod gun nor the banshee ever gave my opponents an unbeatable advantage. Banshees are fairly easy to take down with a pistol or shotgun, especially against most of the asshats that still play Halo PC (for some reason, the bible study kids have invaded the online play...)

[Skizott]

Funny when you get people online that are telling you to watch your language or they will ban you on the Bungie public server.

Most clan servers are nazis.

[cjrizzo]

Let's not get overzealous, folks. Calling this the greatest launch of all-time is blowing it way out of proportion since most of the first generation games (read: first/second wave launch titles) are slightly juiced up in graphics and sound but do not offer significant breakthroughs in graphics or gameplay above the existing XBox. And for that, you'll need to allegedly pay $10-20 more per game. Calling any system release that has updated versions of sports games and a number of racing games is hardly a diverse and genre-covered launch.

Most of these titles probably started life as XBox games that were migrated over to 360 dev kits and jazzed up where the original system didn't have the horsepower. I'll probably buy a 360 at release, but I don't see a lot of titles that I *HAVE* to have immediately. All I'm saying is look at the facts and reality of what you are paying for as an early adopter, but don't make it out to be something that it is not.

[51|RandoM]

Yeah, I would get Oblivion for the PC if I wanted to spend 200 hours hunched over my computer keyboard. Uh... actually, no thanks. I can do that at work.

I think I'd much rather spend that 200 hours on my couch, in front of my 60 inch Grand Wega LCD HDTV, 5.1 sound blaring, with a wireless controller in hand. Who knows... maybe I'M crazy...

You're not crazy, you're just ignorant of what a PC can do, evidently. :-)

This isn't the best pic, but using it as a frame of reference, that is a 19" samsung LCD sitting next to center channel speaker. The debris from a case mod project litter the foreground, I eventually got around to tidying up.

I've got bluetooth keyboard/mouse that work great from the couch, a wavebird for gamecube that works great from the couch, and extension cables for the ps2 and xbox controllers. For me, playing any game from the couch, on any platform is a piece of cake. Lol, with the gbaplayer adapter for gamecube, I can even play gameboy advance games on the projector.

http://users.rcn.com/random2/war_proj.jpg

or maybe you play WoW?

http://users.rcn.com/random2/wow_pj.jpg

[makkura]

hmm i wish i had the space to project this big

[Borys]

haha..someone called Borys an XBox fanboy. Of course it was vomited from Pump'd Up.

Bizarre, isn't it?

[Heretic Machine]

What mods were so great for Morrowind?


Anyway, I rarely bother with user-created mods- especially ones that alter gameplay. I spent over 200 hours playing Morrowind on the Xbox. Not only would I have not spent that much time playing on the PC (purely due to discomfort), but I certianly wouldn't have put in any additional time because of a mod.

Better Bodies
The Mog Mod
The Horror Mod
And many others...

I think you must be one of the many people who think that mods = cheats. Mods are not cheats, mods add content to the game. I like more content, don't you?

[Chris_D]

This is the first launch line up I can remember to actually have any rpgs so I can't see why people are complaining about that. They'll have something to complain about if in 12 months we don't have any more rpgs. How long did it take Square to get FF on the PS2 anyway?

On balance it really is the best launch line up ever, on paper, which isn't saying much really (the DC, and xbox had decentish launch libraries, but what else really had more than a handful of games?). What is more important is whether there's a Soul Caliber, Halo, or Mario 64 in there somewhere. And we won't know that until the reviews start rolling in.

Btw, FFXI does have a pretty solid fanbase, and if you've been wanting to try out a game of that style and don't own a PC, then I'm sure you could do worse. At least it should be a better experience than on the PS2 (don't need to pay extra for the addon HD for one thing).

[RandomViolence]

I like more content, don't you?

No.

Now fuck off with your free user-created add-ons.

[Ultima Thulian]

What about Counter-Strike? That was essentially a mod to Half-life, right? And many people looovve CS. I'm not crazy about it, but its fun and deserves respect. Hell, I can think of worse things than mods that "hurt" a game. How about, FANBOYS...they make me cringe and they are worse than any mod/cheat/rapist out there.

[Heretic Machine]

Alright, you know what? We need to start limiting the size of pictures that can be uploaded... because this page is now unreadable.

EDIT: Er, the previous page!

[riposte101]

These are the games I'll be picking up. I'm going to a poor bastard when the 360 comes out.

Call of Duty 2 (Activision)
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Bethesda)
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter (Ubisoft) <Holiday 05>
Gun (Activision)
The Outfit (THQ)
Perfect Dark LE (Microsoft)
Project Gotham Racing 3 (Microsoft)
Quake 4 (Activision)
Burnout Revenge

[Ultima Thulian]

These are the games I'll be picking up. I'm going to a poor bastard when the 360 comes out.

Call of Duty 2 (Activision)
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Bethesda)
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter (Ubisoft) <Holiday 05>
Gun (Activision)
The Outfit (THQ)
Perfect Dark LE (Microsoft)
Project Gotham Racing 3 (Microsoft)
Quake 4 (Activision)
Burnout Revenge

If every game costs $60, and you buy all of those games...then you spent over 500 dollars! Damn I wish I had that money!

[Zanzibar]

lol, what a silly fanboi. why bother comparing with a previous gen system that launched 6 years ago? sheesh.

every genre almost...but most of those titles are crappy sports titles that can be played today. YAWN.

There are only a few worthwhile titles there. Nice lineup, but nothing spectacular really.

Can't wait to see Sony's launch titles, can you? You'll be saying 'Wow, this Madden '08 will be the best game evar!! And this tennis title...and hockey...'

Why bother comparing with the PS2 launch lineup? Funny how you de-emphasize Sony's missteps (WORST LAUNCH LINEUP EVER) but can't wait to post on Microsoft's blunders.