Anyone But Hillary '08

[Evil Avatar]

http://republicanracer.com/

I had to laugh at the text. The shirt is funny, but the text on the ad page is a real gut buster.

[Zanzibar]

And we wonder why we got Bush for 8 years. It's dipshits like these who are inbreeding their way into superior numbers.

[xcalibur]

This is no worse than my neighbor down the street who has "VOTE DEMOCRAT" signs all over his yard. That's right, don't bother actually looking at the candidate, or their view on issues, just blindly tow the party line without actually like, you know, thinking about it.


-X

[Beelzebud]

Yeah that is hilarious EA. Calling Democrats America hating terrorists is just comedy gold!

I guess when you've given George Bush near dictator powers, it makes you a little nervous that a Clinton might end up with them. Should have thought of that shit before you all argued for a strong "unitary executive".

After 8 years of the worst president of my lifetime, I think many of us are saying "Anything But a Republican".

Republicans had 8 years there to prove how great conservative policies were. Look where it got us. The largest attack on US soil, American industry sacrificed in the name of "free trade", and a looming recession.

[Wraith]

We know the democrats are the internal enemy of the United States. They consist of two groups... Lemmings and those that wish to control the ever growing group of lemmings. The last thing we need is a democrat in the most powerful position in the world during these dangerous times.

Send a message to the teachers union's, terrorists, trial lawyers, war protesters, the pathetic UN and other assorted open mouth breathers that wish to destroy this great country... Buy one of these extremely high quality gray Hanes t-shirts with the campaign logo, “Anyone but Hillary in ‘08”. This is your way of telling the traitors, liars and cowards to stay home on election day.

Stand up! Buy a shirt! Support your country!

Wear this shirt with pride and know you are fighting the good fight./facepalm

I'm generally conservative/moderate, and Hillary is probably the last of the current candidates I'd want to see win. But the above is just plain pathetic.

[Rock Bandit]

...The largest attack on US soil...

That would of happened even if Gore was in the White House. There's plenty of reasons to hate this administartion, there's no need to make one up.

[Schnoogs]

And we wonder why we got Bush for 8 years. It's dipshits like these who are inbreeding their way into superior numbers.

There's something ironic about someone insulting the intelligence of others when they themselves are incapable of spotting blatant humor and sarcasm.

Keep telling yourself that everyone else is the idiot.

[baggle]

Send a message to the teachers union's -- looks like somebody let their hatred get in the way of their learning how to use basic grammar. Too bad for him. Hope he never needs to rely on the written word for a job!

[Typical_Michael]

If they still have a field for a write in candidate, I stand by Oliver Queen in 08.

His platform includes drinking, womanizing, and fighting crime.

I hope you all will join me.

[Beelzebud]

That would of happened even if Gore was in the White House. There's plenty of reasons to hate this administartion, there's no need to make one up.

Oh really. So I guess we should just forget about the Presidential Daily Briefing from August 6th, 2001 entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US"?

Or maybe we should forget that when the Bush administration came into power they chose to ignore counter terrorism advisor Richard Clarke about the dangers of Bin Laden, who later recalled:

"Frankly," he said, "I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism. He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know."

Clarke went on to say, "I think he's done a terrible job on the war against terrorism."

Bush gets no free pass from me, on 9/11.

[Rock Bandit]

Oh really. So I guess we should just forget about the Presidential Daily Briefing from August 6th, 2001 entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US"?

Or maybe we should forget that when the Bush administration came into power they chose to ignore counter terrorism advisor Richard Clarke about the dangers of Bin Laden, who later recalled:



Bush gets no free pass from me, on 9/11.

Sorry but maybe's and coulda, shoulda, woulda do not equal 'get the torches' to me. Stronger cases have been made about FDR knowing about Pearl Harbor in advance and letting it happen.

Now look what you've done, I just defended Bush. I need a shower...

[blackzc]

There's something ironic about someone insulting the intelligence of others when they themselves are incapable of spotting blatant humor and sarcasm.

Keep telling yourself that everyone else is the idiot.

Wow, common sense. Fucking awesome!

[TheKeck]

Ha ha ha ha. A guy at work was just saying this morning that we should start an "Anyone But Hillary" website. I guessed that one already existed. :D

[xcalibur]

The largest attack on US soil, American industry sacrificed in the name of "free trade", and a looming recession.

Wheeee, tin foil hat time! Bush is to blame for 9/11!!!

And the sacrifice of American industry would be a result of NAFTA, thanks to our good old buddy Bill "Blowjob" Clinton.


-X

[baggle]

I want an "Anyone But Romney '08" t-shirt.

[IndependentGMR]

Political threads are so much fun!

[TheKeck]

I want an "Anyone But Romney '08" t-shirt.
Just out of curiosity, why?

[IndependentGMR]

I want an "Anyone But Romney '08" t-shirt.

He just suspended his bid for the Presidential nomination. Check this out:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/07/romney.campaign/index.html

[baggle]

He just suspended his bid for the Presidential nomination. Check this out:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/07/romney.campaign/index.html

W00t. Good news for those of us who don't care for total douchebags ;)

[xcalibur]

W00t. Good news for those of us who don't care for total douchebags ;)

So you aren't voting for any of the candidates then? :D

-X

[baggle]

Just out of curiosity, why?

Well, seems the point is moot now, but a few of my reasons for not liking him are that he is a politician whose 'morals' shift with the winds, he has no clue about immigration, but acts like deporting 10% of the US population is an option, and the fact that he comes across as a pompous asshole.

[iHap]

I'd rather be an elephant than a god damn ass.

[IrishWhiskey]

This is your way of telling the traitors, liars and cowards to stay home on election day.You know I think would work better giving that message in something other than monotone gray. Cheap bastards.

[baggle]

So you aren't voting for any of the candidates then? :D

-X

Haha, point taken, but you know what I mean.

[KlausFlouride]

Mickey Mouse for President in '08!

[TheFlyingOrc]

And we wonder why we got Bush for 8 years. It's dipshits like these who are inbreeding their way into superior numbers.

I really don't appreciate you calling the hispanics "dipshits"

[TheKeck]

Well, seems the point is moot now, but a few of my reasons for not liking him are that he is a politician whose 'morals' shift with the winds, he has no clue about immigration, but acts like deporting 10% of the US population is an option, and the fact that he comes across as a pompous asshole.
I see. We were talking about why people don't like Romney at work this morning. I don't much care for him either, despite our common religion.

My only real stance, though, is anybody but Hillary. :)

[IrishWhiskey]

I really don't appreciate you calling the hispanics "dipshits"He said inbreeding. Therefore he was clearly referring to... well you see were this is going.

If people don't want Hillary to win, they're better off sending those shirts to the convention rather than wearing them. McCain has the Republican nomination sown up, but neither Hillary or Obama will have enough delegates by the time it rolls around.

[Beelzebud]

Wheeee, tin foil hat time! Bush is to blame for 9/11!!!

And the sacrifice of American industry would be a result of NAFTA, thanks to our good old buddy Bill "Blowjob" Clinton.


-X

I didn't say he was to blame, I just pointed out that it happened on his watch.

We STILL haven't brought Osama Bin Laden to justice. Thats the guy I blame. I blame Bush for being an incompetent asshole that chose not to go get him.

And who controlled congress when we voted on NAFTA? Clinton wasn't perfect, and he should have vetoed that bill, but who put it in front of his desk? Thats right. Republicans.

I often say Bill Clinton was the best Republican president this country ever had.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I see. We were talking about why people don't like Romney at work this morning. I don't much care for him either, despite our common religion.

My only real stance, though, is anybody but Hillary. :)

Same here. I root for Obama constantly.

However, I don't remember who made the point, but even if you think he's crazy, one thing Ron Paul is NOT is disingenuous.

[baggle]

I see. We were talking about why people don't like Romney at work this morning. I don't much care for him either, despite our common religion.

My only real stance, though, is anybody but Hillary. :)

Awesome, Mormon questioning time!

I have to know, what is the general consensus about Romney in Mormon circles, if there is one? I've been dying to know. It seems like he might dominate the Mormon vote, but I could see it not happening, too. I'd appreciate your insights.

[bstiff]

Send a message to the teachers union's, terrorists, trial lawyers, war protesters, the pathetic UN and other assorted open mouth breathers that wish to destroy this great country

I thought Bush had already done a pretty good job on destroying the country.... oh no wait it was just the economy.

[TheFlyingOrc]

He said inbreeding. Therefore he was clearly referring to... well you see were this is going.

If people don't want Hillary to win, they're better off sending those shirts to the convention rather than wearing them. McCain has the Republican nomination sown up, but neither Hillary or Obama will have enough delegates by the time it rolls around.

It's really time to end the "well, they're from the south, so they must be dumb" bullcrap. Haha, we get it, it's an ethnic group you're allowed to insult because they're white.

It's the same, the EXACT SAME, as if I came out and called urban blacks all stupid as a group. It's just as hateful and prejudiced, it's against the working poor, and it makes you a huge douchebag every time you do it.

Please, be more like me, and only insult the amish as a people group. They'll at least never be offended.

[Ultima Thulian]

Hey everybody! There's a tshirt being sold on a Republican site that makes fun of Democrats, particularly Hilary Clinton! Let's fucking bitch and moan about it!

[Steve_Erhardt]

That would of happened even if Gore was in the White House. There's plenty of reasons to hate this administartion, there's no need to make one up.

QFT.
Bush obviously didn't pan out as well as anybody would have hoped, but don't be so obtuse as to think 9/11 only happened because of him. Hate on him for the cornucopia of other screw ups he's actually responsible for.

[xcalibur]

I thought Bush had already done a pretty good job on destroying the country.... oh no wait it was just the economy.

Honest question, how is Bush to blame for the state of the economy, other than approving every spending bill that came his way.

The big issues of the economy I hear about are gas prices, and the mortgage crisis. Not sure how either of those 2 are his fault?


-X

[Beelzebud]

No, Bill Clinton called the notion that Bush was involved in 9/11 pure insanity.

I didn't say Bush was involved, I just said his incompetence, and his laziness were factors in the attack happening. He had good people warning him about it, and he chose to ignore them.

I never said it happened only because of him, so don't insert words into my mouth.

[IrishWhiskey]

Haha, we get it, it's an ethnic group you're allowed to insult because they're white.

It's the same, the EXACT SAME, as if I came out and called urban blacks all stupid as a group. It's just as hateful and prejudiced, it's against the working poor, and it makes you a huge douchebag every time you do it....Didn't....didn't I just take what you said except substitute 'hispanics'? Are you saying you're racist? And that the sight of minorities drives you into a frenzied rage? And you find Carols Mencia funny? Besides I was referring to the RNC and their propensity to ideological inbreeding. Duh.

Tell you what, I'll agree to your conditions, as long as you agree to never again insult a geographic or culturally bound region of the US. Really.

[Beelzebud]

Honest question, how is Bush to blame for the state of the economy, other than approving every spending bill that came his way.

The big issues of the economy I hear about are gas prices, and the mortgage crisis. Not sure how either of those 2 are his fault?


-X

How many billions of dollars is the Iraq war costing us each week?

[Yellowman]

Please, be more like me, and only insult the amish as a people group. They'll at least never be offended.

So its ok to hit someone as long as they don't tell you they mind?

[Kalar]

How many billions of dollars is the Iraq war costing us each week?

How many billions of dollars are the entitlement programs costing us each week?

[baggle]

So its ok to hit someone as long as they don't tell you they mind?

They won't have a choice, because they'll never read it. I think that was his point ;)

[TheFlyingOrc]

...Didn't....didn't I just take what you said except substitute 'hispanics'? Are you saying you're racist? And that the sight of minorities drives you into a frenzied rage? And you find Carols Mencia funny? Besides I was referring to the RNC and their propensity to ideological inbreeding. Duh.

Tell you what, I'll agree to your conditions, as long as you agree to never again insult a geographic or culturally bound region of the US. Really.

My focus was on the "breeding us out" part of the original statement. There's one people group doing that, and it's the hispanic community.

[TheFlyingOrc]

They won't have a choice, because they'll never read it. I think that was his point ;)

Yup. Insult the amish all you want! None of them will ever find out!

[Ultima Thulian]

Yeah, but the Amish make such great cheese. I'd feel bad for insulting them.

[IrishWhiskey]

My focus was on the "breeding us out" part of the original statement. There's one people group doing that, and it's the hispanic community.Actually Mormons are as well (although nowhere close to a plurality yet). Also nymphomaniacs. The latter of which can only be a good thing.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Yeah, but the Amish make such great cheese. I'd feel bad for insulting them.

Then mock THE HATS.

[Beelzebud]

How many billions of dollars are the entitlement programs costing us each week?

Yeah we should repeal all entitlement programs. People should be left to die in the streets, and sleep under bridges. That would give us money for more wars!

[TheKeck]

Yup. Insult the amish all you want! None of them will ever find out!
Or, even if they did find out... they'd probably just forgive you. ;)

In the beautiful hills of Pennsylvania, a devout group of Christian people live a simple life without automobiles, electricity, or modern machinery. They work hard and live quiet, peaceful lives separate from the world. Most of their food comes from their own farms. The women sew and knit and weave their clothing, which is modest and plain. They are known as the Amish people.

A 32-year-old milk truck driver lived with his family in their Nickel Mines community. He was not Amish, but his pickup route took him to many Amish dairy farms, where he became known as the quiet milkman. Last October he suddenly lost all reason and control. In his tormented mind he blamed God for the death of his first child and some unsubstantiated memories. He stormed into the Amish school without any provocation, released the boys and adults, and tied up the 10 girls. He shot the girls, killing five and wounding five. Then he took his own life.

This shocking violence caused great anguish among the Amish but no anger. There was hurt but no hate. Their forgiveness was immediate. Collectively they began to reach out to the milkman’s suffering family. As the milkman’s family gathered in his home the day after the shootings, an Amish neighbor came over, wrapped his arms around the father of the dead gunman, and said, “We will forgive you.” Amish leaders visited the milkman’s wife and children to extend their sympathy, their forgiveness, their help, and their love. About half of the mourners at the milkman’s funeral were Amish. In turn, the Amish invited the milkman’s family to attend the funeral services of the girls who had been killed. A remarkable peace settled on the Amish as their faith sustained them during this crisis.

One local resident very eloquently summed up the aftermath of this tragedy when he said, “We were all speaking the same language, and not just English, but a language of caring, a language of community, [and] a language of service. And, yes, a language of forgiveness.” It was an amazing outpouring of their complete faith in the Lord’s teachings in the Sermon on the Mount: “Do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.”

The family of the milkman who killed the five girls released the following statement to the public:

“To our Amish friends, neighbors, and local community:

“Our family wants each of you to know that we are overwhelmed by the forgiveness, grace, and mercy that you’ve extended to us. Your love for our family has helped to provide the healing we so desperately need. The prayers, flowers, cards, and gifts you’ve given have touched our hearts in a way no words can describe. Your compassion has reached beyond our family, beyond our community, and is changing our world, and for this we sincerely thank you.

“Please know that our hearts have been broken by all that has happened. We are filled with sorrow for all of our Amish neighbors whom we have loved and continue to love. We know that there are many hard days ahead for all the families who lost loved ones, and so we will continue to put our hope and trust in the God of all comfort, as we all seek to rebuild our lives.”

[Beelzebud]

Yup. Insult the amish all you want! None of them will ever find out!

LOL I'm reminded of a Colbert Report where he was making jokes about the Amish, and he finished it with "If any Amish people watching are offended by what I just said, I'd just like to ask you WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING WATCHING TV!"

:D

[Ultima Thulian]

Then mock THE HATS.

I like those too. :o

[CoachCrazyMcScot]

Romney out!

[TheFlyingOrc]

I like those too. :o

This just doesn't make one iota of gorram sense.

[baggle]

I come from an area with a large minority population of the Amish Light aka Mennonites and although they don't have cool hats or make cheese, they are pretty awesome :)

[Ultima Thulian]

This just doesn't make one iota of gorram sense.

I dunno, the amish can pull it off. You know, when you see an amish person, it's kinda a relief. You know this person won't kill or rape you. He'll just say "God Bless" and give you some cheese while bitching about electricity.

Nuttin' wrong with the amish.

Now fillipinos. I have a problem with. Especially their women. They're fucking crazy.

[IrishWhiskey]

How many billions of dollars are the entitlement programs costing us each week?... just to be clear, you are talking about Social Security, Medicare and Veterans Benefits right? You understand why some people might consider those a better investment than war?

Of course, if we used the elderly as suicide attackers during our wars, we would solve all those problems. Hmm, I think I'm onto something here.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I have successfully made this thread about the amish. I am proud of myself.

[Zanzibar]

Honest question, how is Bush to blame for the state of the economy, other than approving every spending bill that came his way.

The big issues of the economy I hear about are gas prices, and the mortgage crisis. Not sure how either of those 2 are his fault?
-X
..well, there's also health care costs that have crushed the middle class. They now all have less buying power. His steadfast ignorance of the issues that affect the middle class are what he's done wrong.

His energy policy was to let the energy companies rewrite the regulations. They were regulated less, and the population is a captive market, so energy prices skyrocketed. He needed to step in to protect the middle class or else the economy would suffer. Instead, energy profits are freakin' unbelievable, but the country's broke. Standing by while your citizens get fleeced is every bit as much a failure as creating bad legislation.

Same is true for health care costs. He did nothing, and trusted the Health Care industry to keep costs low. Ooops.

As for the mortgage crunch, there were many, many warning signs of predatory loans. This Slate article (http://www.slate.com/id/2182709/pagenum/all) explains how the Feds came in and stopped the states from helping prevent predatory loans. Why, you ask? You guessed it - because of the Bush Administration's foolhardy expectation that Big Business can regulate itself and not screw over the citizens:

That's when the feds came in. Some of the biggest players in the secondary mortgage market are national banks, and the states' efforts to curb predatory lending clashed with the banks' fervent desire to keep the market in subprime loans rolling. And so the national banks turned to the Treasury Department's Office of the Comptroller of the Currency. The OCC is a somewhat conflicted agency: While its primary regulatory responsibility is ensuring the safety and soundness of the national bank system, almost its entire budget comes from fees it imposes on the banks—meaning that its funding depends on keeping them happy. It was unsurprising, then, that the OCC leapt to attention when the national banks asked it to pre-empt the Georgia-like subprime laws on the grounds that they conflicted with federal banking law.

While the banks' legal arguments were thin, the OCC issued regulations in early 2004 nullifying the state laws as they applied to national banks. In part, the OCC reasoned that the states just got it wrong: As the then-comptroller explained in a speech to the Federalist Society, "We know that it's possible to deal effectively with predatory lending without putting impediments in the way of those who provide access to legitimate subprime credit." With the state laws nullified, national banks were free to engage in the sharp practices the states were hoping to stamp out. (Indeed, Georgia scuttled its law because it didn't want to give national banks a competitive advantage over its state institutions.) Facing intense pressure from subprime lenders and Wall Street, and left without a real chance of holding investors responsible for purchasing ill-advised loans, state legislatures gave up.

In short, he could have avoided a LOT of this if he had taken the tax breaks he gave to the top earners and instead applied those to the middle class and working poor, helping to ease those burdens would have done quite a bit to allow them to be able to continue to spend, which causes a ripple effect all the way back to Big Business, and thus back to the top earners.

[Kalar]

Yeah we should repeal all entitlement programs. People should be left to die in the streets, and sleep under bridges. That would give us money for more wars!

Yeah we should disarm out millitary. Send every one of them back home to their Moms. We could all watch from the comfort of our own homes as people wearing foreign military uniforms run through our streets. Crushing their enemies, hearing the lamentations of their women and taking their hard earned plunder back to where they come from. This way we could put in even more entitlement programs that work.

[IrishWhiskey]

Yeah we should disarm out millitary. Send every one of them back home to their Moms. We could all watch from the comfort of our own homes as people wearing foreign military uniforms run through our streets. Crushing their enemies, hearing the lamentations of their women and taking their hard earned plunder back to where they come from. This way we could put in even more entitlement programs that work.Well if we nuke the Canadians first, there's no longer a threat from that. Duh.

[Beelzebud]

Yeah we should disarm out millitary. Send every one of them back home to their Moms. We could all watch from the comfort of our own homes as people wearing foreign military uniforms run through our streets. Crushing their enemies, hearing the lamentations of their women and taking their hard earned plunder back to where they come from. This way we could put in even more entitlement programs that work.

Yeah because Iraq will totally invade us.

You sound like a scared child hiding under your mom's dress.

[Schnoogs]

How many billions of dollars are the entitlement programs costing us each week?

pwnage +1000

[Schnoogs]

Yeah we should repeal all entitlement programs. People should be left to die in the streets, and sleep under bridges. That would give us money for more wars!

Yeah because thats where the bulk of the entitlemen money is going :rolleyes:

It's hopelessly naive comments like that that remind me of Beans infamous and hilarious definition of Socialism.

"It's the system where people help each other".

You can just see a 5 year old saying that while you read it.

News flash...most of the money is going towards safetly nets for able bodied individuals. Kind of like my buddy who has a degree in CS but took advantage of Oregons unemployment for 18 fucking months. In that time he windsurfed and read books...don't recall him spending much time living under a bridge.

[Kalar]

Yeah because Iraq will totally invade us.

You sound like a scared child hiding under your mom's dress.

At no point did I mention Iraq.

You sound like you want other kids candy on the playlot. Get off the monkey bars.

[Heretic Machine]

Yeah we should disarm out millitary. Send every one of them back home to their Moms. We could all watch from the comfort of our own homes as people wearing foreign military uniforms run through our streets. Crushing their enemies, hearing the lamentations of their women and taking their hard earned plunder back to where they come from. This way we could put in even more entitlement programs that work.

Because a lot of terrorist organizations have navies capable of transporting an army to US shores without getting blown out of the fucking water instantly...

[Beelzebud]

At no point did I mention Iraq.

You sound like you want other kids candy on the playlot. Get off the monkey bars.

To take advantage of unemployment insurance, or SSI, or Medicare, you have to have contributed to the system. That money you paid into the system is what covers you in those times.

Before you call me a child, take your head out of your ass and learn about what you are whining to be cut.

Personally I like living in a modern country that has social safety nets. If you don't like it there is always Mexico.

[Beelzebud]

News flash...most of the money is going towards safetly nets for able bodied individuals. Kind of like my buddy who has a degree in CS but took advantage of Oregons unemployment for 18 fucking months. In that time he windsurfed and read books...don't recall him spending much time living under a bridge.

I don't know how Oregon does it, but I thought you had to pay into the system to get unemployment insurance?

Newsflash: Had your buddy been living for 18 months with no job, and no income, and no unemployment insurance, he very well could have been sleeping under a bridge. Thats the whole point.

[Ghostbear]

If they still have a field for a write in candidate, I stand by Oliver Queen in 08.

His platform includes drinking, womanizing, and fighting crime.

I hope you all will join me.

Indeed, I heard he's a straight shooter ;)

[joruussuun]

If they still have a field for a write in candidate, I stand by Oliver Queen in 08.

His platform includes drinking, womanizing, and fighting crime.

I hope you all will join me.
Indeed, I heard he's a straight shooter ;)
Especially with all this movement for going "green".

[bstiff]

How many billions of dollars is the Iraq war costing us each week?


Exactly ... as soon as the US pulls out they're certainly not going to be our ally in the gulf. Anyone remember the first gulf war when Saudi had Saddam knocking on their door? Might as well have flushed that money down the toilet

[Johan]

The Amish are good people. For those just joking, have fun. Those that genuinely have a problem with the Amish, some of whom are my extended family's friends and neighbors in Pennsylvania...you can fuck off. :D

That felt good.

[TheKeck]

The Amish are good people. For those just joking, have fun. Those that genuinely have a problem with the Amish, some of whom are my extended family's friends and neighbors in Pennsylvania...you can fuck off. :D

That felt good.
Don't suppose you read my huge quote. I certainly wasn't saying anything negative about them. :)

[Evil Avatar]

Because a lot of terrorist organizations have navies capable of transporting an army to US shores without getting blown out of the fucking water instantly...

Kind of small minded thinking there, Heretic. It wasn't an army that blew up two buildings and killed around 5,000 people.

[DaXIthR]

Kind of small minded thinking there, Heretic. It wasn't an army that blew up two buildings and killed around 5,000 people.

5000? Really? When? Where?

[joruussuun]

5000? Really? When? Where?

Yeah, the estimate was a little high. Get over it.
(~2750 right?)

[Evil Avatar]

Yeah, the estimate was a little high. Get over it.
(~2750 right?)

Deaths 2,993 (including 19 terrorists)
Injured 6,291+

[joruussuun]

Deaths 2,993 (including 19 terrorists)
Injured 6,291+

It's 2750 for just the WTC, which is all I thought you were talking about ("two buildings" and all).

[Steve_Erhardt]

No, Bill Clinton called the notion that Bush was involved in 9/11 pure insanity.

I didn't say Bush was involved, I just said his incompetence, and his laziness were factors in the attack happening. He had good people warning him about it, and he chose to ignore them.

I never said it happened only because of him, so don't insert words into my mouth.
I read you as saying because of his incompetence and laziness, it happened. If he weren't lazy or incompetent, it wouldn't have happened, despite these other nebulous, unmentioned, factors. How is that wrong? I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm questioning the ones that came out.

[midrael]

Kind of small minded thinking there, Heretic. It wasn't an army that blew up two buildings and killed around 5,000 people.

I think Heretic's point was in reference to an earlier comment that suggested we'd be seeing foreign military walking up and down American streets if we diverted military funds to entitlement programs.

I'd say that he's pretty accurate in suggesting that a full-scale military invasion of the US is pretty unlikely.

[Beelzebud]

I read you as saying because of his incompetence and laziness, it happened. If he weren't lazy or incompetent, it wouldn't have happened, despite these other nebulous, unmentioned, factors. How is that wrong? I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm questioning the ones that came out.

And am I wrong?

If the attack had happened on a Democrats watch, conservatives wouldn't be blaming them? I know I would be consistent in saying that no matter who was in charge, they bear some of responsibility for what happened. The main job of the federal government is to protect its citizens. On 9/11 our government failed us.

[Steve_Erhardt]

And am I wrong?
Not IMO. It just came across to me like you were saying it wouldn't have happened if not for the fact Bush was in office, that's all.

If the attack had happened on a Democrats watch, conservatives wouldn't be blaming them?
Oh I'd bet my bottom dollar they would be. Which I would find just as savagely idiotic.

The main job of the federal government is to protect its citizens.
I'm inclined to agree, but the fact is, time makes ALL things possible, including the possibility of a bunch of psychopathic loser militant nutjobs slamming passenger jets into tall buildings. Something is bound to slip in their favor from time to time, it's unavoidable unless you're God Almighty.

[Sandman]

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[Oxonian]

If the attack had happened on a Democrats watch, conservatives wouldn't be blaming them?
I don't recall a lot of conservatives blaming Clinton for the first WTC bombing or the OKC bombing. I suppose you could probably find somebody who did so, but I don't believe it was the party line. I do recall some right-wingers suggesting that Clinton's 1998 missile strikes in retaliation for the embassy bombings were a "Wag the Dog" scenario, but I also recall a number of people (including John McCain) being very sharply critical of anyone who would make such an unfounded accusation.

The main job of the federal government is to protect its citizens. On 9/11 our government failed us.
Yes, but there's a difference between "our government failed us" and "our government comprises lazy and incompetent people." It's possible to be both energetic and competent and still fail. I think the easiest illustration of this principle is military history. Hannibal, Robert E. Lee, and Erwin Rommel are justly renowed for being brilliant military strategists and tacticians. They also lost.

[Evil Avatar]

And am I wrong?

If the attack had happened on a Democrats watch, conservatives wouldn't be blaming them? I know I would be consistent in saying that no matter who was in charge, they bear some of responsibility for what happened. The main job of the federal government is to protect its citizens. On 9/11 our government failed us.

Um... didn't 9/11 take place not long after Bush took office? (Yes, it did. Bush took office on January 20, 2001. 9/11 was September 11, 2001.)

That meansthat the incompetent people who you should be scrutinizing was the Clinton administration. They were responsible for our safety for eight years before Bush took over and they failed us.

[Beelzebud]

Um... didn't 9/11 take place not long after Bush took office? (Yes, it did. Bush took office on January 20, 2001. 9/11 was September 11, 2001.)

That meansthat the incompetent people who you should be scrutinizing was the Clinton administration. They were responsible for our safety for eight years before Bush took over and they failed us.

How about this: Our entire federal government failed us on 9/11. Past and present administrations played a hand in our failure on 9/11.

No partisan bullshit required. You can't say Bush bears no blame, and then out the other side of your mouth blame Clinton for something that happened when he wasn't in office.

[Beelzebud]

Yes, but there's a difference between "our government failed us" and "our government comprises lazy and incompetent people." It's possible to be both energetic and competent and still fail. I think the easiest illustration of this principle is military history. Hannibal, Robert E. Lee, and Erwin Rommel are justly renowed for being brilliant military strategists and tacticians. They also lost.

Yeah well Bush isn't known for being a strategist or a tactician. He's lazy and incompetent. Just look at the no-plan mess he made in Iraq.

[Zanzibar]

Yeah well Bush isn't known for being a strategist or a tactician. He's lazy and incompetent. Just look at the no-plan mess he made in Iraq.

How DARE you ask for consistency in a POLITICAL thread?!! Have you NO DECENCY???

[Steve_Erhardt]

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Love it. :D

[Magnanimous Gnome]

I don't understand why Republicans hate Clinton so much. It makes absolutely no sense to me. She's hardly one of those "evil" liberals, so why all the hate? Is it because she's a powerful woman? It would be great it someone could actually explain this to me. Every time I read an anti-Hillary rant it basically says "She's a power-hungry bitch." That just says to me that women in power = bad.

I'd think that Republicans would like having another Clinton in the White House. Bill signed pretty much every fucking thing they gave him, from DOMA and Don't Ask, Don't Tell to NAFTA, welfare reform, and all the other very-non liberal bills that came out of the 90s.

[theevilnarwhale]

If they still have a field for a write in candidate, I stand by Oliver Queen in 08.

His platform includes drinking, womanizing, and fighting crime.

I hope you all will join me.

I can get down with that.

[divinechaos]

I really don't appreciate you calling the hispanics "dipshits"

HEY! We don't fuck our cousins, we fuck women from other races. Our goal is to have everyone in the world be half hispanic.

And I approve the shirt.

[IrishWhiskey]

HEY! We don't fuck our cousins, we fuck women from other races. Our goal is to have everyone in the world be half hispanic.

And I approve the shirt.Is Jessica Alba half-Hispanic? Because if so, I totally endorse that plan.

[Wonda Mic]

http://instapunk.com/images/bush_hitler02.jpg


Glad to have him outta the house.

[MJBuddy]

To take advantage of unemployment insurance, or SSI, or Medicare, you have to have contributed to the system. That money you paid into the system is what covers you in those times.


Not true. I received SS without ever paying a dime into it.

And when I retire, there won't be a drop left of it. I also could a) invest the money I would pay into SS funds myself and b) Make MUCH more doing so.

You realize that socialized systems are pyramid schemes by definition, right?

Personally, I'm living in a country filled with idiots like you. Mexico feels like a viable option sometimes.

[MJBuddy]

I don't understand why Republicans hate Clinton so much. It makes absolutely no sense to me. She's hardly one of those "evil" liberals, so why all the hate? Is it because she's a powerful woman? It would be great it someone could actually explain this to me. Every time I read an anti-Hillary rant it basically says "She's a power-hungry bitch." That just says to me that women in power = bad.

I'd think that Republicans would like having another Clinton in the White House. Bill signed pretty much every fucking thing they gave him, from DOMA and Don't Ask, Don't Tell to NAFTA, welfare reform, and all the other very-non liberal bills that came out of the 90s.

Socialized Healthcare + she wants to ban videogames.


Not quite republican issues but enough for me to like...hate her.

[Ludoc]

http://instapunk.com/images/bush_hitler02.jpg


Glad to have him outta the house.
You're a fucking idiot. I'm no fan of Bush, however, comparing those two men does nothing but highlight your idiocy. Holding Bush, even comically, in the same light as Hitler undermines any substantive arguments you may make against Bush. Once you've done something so incredibly stupid how am I to believe any argument you make against him is rational? In fact, the memory of Hitler can do nothing but make Bush look better by comparison.

The deaths of millions of people, those who were not actively resisting or "collateral damage" but just people who were herded into camps where they were starved, tortured, experimented on, forced into slave labour and systematically eradicated can not be compared to the actions of Bush. Not a lot of things offend me but comparing the actions of Bush, which I find to be reprehensible, to those of a man who attempted genocide, is to dishonour the memory of the Holocaust.

If you want to hate Bush there are a thousand legitimate reasons to do so which lead to countless real criticisms which may be leveled against him and his administration. Take ten minutes to research some of faults of your President in his last eight years so that you may begin to understand what the solutions to the problems created and perpetuated by Bush. It'll not only expand your mind but allow you to participate in what should be an adult conversation about the future of your country.

Parroting the hard leftist "Bush = teh Hitler" does nothing but further peoples views that you are an ignorant asshole with nothing useful to say. You are part the problem with American politics. Yes, you. Not the likes Bush or Cheney or Hillary or Fox News or self righteous Actor/Musician #34 or the religious right but dumb cunts like you. It is people like you who sit at the feet of these people and lap up the shit they feed you so you can then turn around and spew it at me. If you'd take one second to think before you'd open your god damned mouth or flashed your fingers over the key board you'd realize juvenile crap like comparing Bush to Hitler only strengths his base of support! Because once you've exposed yourself as the king of ignorant prick that can only spout the platitudes fed to him by whom ever you feel is "cool" or "hip" this week people stop listening to you. You can raise a million valid points as to why Bush and his policies should be dumped but no one will listen to you after such an off base statement. Instead drawing people into a discussion on the legacy of this administration's policies you only serve to polarize the debate around Bush.

You are so far off base with your picture that it makes any further comments by you suspect. If only you would educate you self on the triumphs and failures of President and then bring arguments him in a civilized way you could raise the level of discourse surround Bush. Shouting slogans and posting inciting pictures does nothing to heal the wounds caused your great country by that man. It only causes a new round of rhetoric to be launched in retaliation. The needless political grand standing that is so prevalent in America will not end until people like you choose to grow up and ignore the petty crap being from by the far left and right.

People have trouble taking reasonable advice when it is shouted at them. People will out right refuse to take great advice when it is shouted by someone a history making absolute bullshit statements.

Until real solutions are presented to problems that have been rationally discussed you are going to be stuck with the same type of leader you so childishly decry with your ill conceived post.

Readers' Digest condensed version:
1) You said Bush is like Hitler. Bush is obviously nothing Hitler. Therefore I can't believe what you say and in fact believe the opposite of you.
2) You said Bush has to go. See number one, I now must support Bush and his policies.
5) Congratulations, you've helped prolong Bush's policies. See 2004.

[IrishWhiskey]

You're a fucking idiot. I'm no fan of Bush, however, comparing those two men does nothing but highlight your idiocy. Holding Bush, even comically, in the same light as Hitler undermines any substantive arguments you may make against Bush.

Parroting the hard leftist "Bush = teh Hitler" does nothing but further peoples views that you are an ignorant asshole with nothing useful to say. You are part the problem with American politics. Yes, you. Not the likes Bush or Cheney or Hillary or Fox News or self righteous Actor/Musician #34 or the religious right but dumb cunts like you.

1) You said Bush is like Hitler. Bush is obviously nothing Hitler. Therefore I can't believe what you say and in fact believe the opposite of you.
2) You said Bush has to go. See number one, I now must support Bush and his policies.
5) Congratulations, you've helped prolong Bush's policies. See 2004.So, someone makes a joke about Bush, therefore you must support his policies?

Hey, if I compare Obama to Pol Pot, will you promise to vote for him?

[Khash]

Just so I make sure I'm reading this right...

Teachers union = Al Qaeda?

[Khash]

Holding Bush, even comically, in the same light as Hitler undermines any substantive arguments you may make against Bush. Once you've done something so incredibly stupid how am I to believe any argument you make against him is rational?
While your words may have been a bit too harsh, I must say I agree. I understand Wonda Mic was simply making a joke, and thats OK, but to compare anyone to Hitler only serves to dishonor the people who suffered unspeakable pain because of him. And it pretty much brings all intelligent conversation to a complete halt.

Stop saying things are like the Nazis! Republicans are not like Nazis! Even Neo-Nazis are not like Nazis. Nothing is like the Nazis... except Wal-Mart.

[Ludoc]

So, someone makes a joke about Bush, therefore you must support his policies?

Hey, if I compare Obama to Pol Pot, will you promise to vote for him?Light-hearted-one-subscriber-to-another-reply: If I can get a job there, move and become a citizen by this fall it might be worth a shot. Otherwise you're probably wasting your time.

Real response: I'm sorry, as I may have over reacted but this is one of my "buttons." It pisses me off, a lot, to hear people compared to that monster because it lessens the impact of what happened under his rule. I honestly see these comparisons creeping up a lot. It really frightens me that we may lose sight of what happened under Hitler as it is trivialized by attacks like the picture. The Bush/Hitler picture and actions like Prince Harry dressing as a Nazi for a costume party create the impression that those in their early twenties and teens have lost sight of history. It is imperative that we, as a society remain vigilant and prevent something like that from ever happening again. These kinds of "jokes," and don't kid yourself as there are people who whisper it in all seriousness, only serve to distract us from those who may actually be threats to the whole of humanity. Comparing Bush to Hitler is like crying wolf; harmless until a real maniac/wolf shows up and no one listens.

Additionally, there are a tonne of important issues to be debated in this year's election. Spewing vitriol back and forth, that has no real base just pulls away from what actually has to be discussed. It annoys me to no end that we even see "Bush = Hitler" and "Obama more like Osama" being brought up in discussions when there are so many real issues to debate. Bringing up bull shit like that only weakens further arguments that one may make.

It's like on the console war: There are a lot of things that need me about discussed about the 360. Between red rings, Live outages and DRM there are quite a few things I'd like to see fixed. However, every time we attempt a rational discussion, it breaks down into fan boy arguing. I don't care that you have a PS3 and it gives you blow jobs every time you buy a new game or that your 360 had relations with your mom. I just want to rationally discuss what the problems are, what alternatives exist and how things may be improved. Thankfully, EvAv is able to able to, for the most part, weed out the whiny jack asses.

I want the same thing happen with political discourse; less "Doom" pics and more telling me how to get refunded for Undertow if I already bought it. Substance, over the shrill declaration that someone is, even jokingly, equivalent to the worst humanity has to offer. If people have real arguments to make, by all means, I want to hear them. Just don't waste our time with petty crap, especially the kind that denigrates the Holocaust.

[MJBuddy]

Godwin's law:

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."


Proven once again.

[Beelzebud]

Godwin's law:

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."


Proven once again.

You damn Nazi...

:D

[Zanzibar]

Socialized Healthcare + she wants to ban videogames.


Not quite republican issues but enough for me to like...hate her.

Oh, MJ.

Go find one article about her wanting to ban videogames. ONE.

You'll find that she DID support legislation that punishes retailers for selling M-rated games to minors. So did McCain, if my memory is correct.

As for socialized healthcare...well. She wants universal health care. It's not a new idea, nor is it an idea that automatically means you get worse coverage, nor a socialist state. Obama wants the same thing. If you think we need to do NOTHING, then you're out of your head.

I suppose you'll move the goalposts about something ELSE to hate Hillary about once you find you're wrong about video games. Go right ahead.

[MJBuddy]

Oh, MJ.

Go find one article about her wanting to ban videogames. ONE.

You'll find that she DID support legislation that punishes retailers for selling M-rated games to minors. So did McCain, if my memory is correct.

As for socialized healthcare...well. She wants universal health care. It's not a new idea, nor is it an idea that automatically means you get worse coverage, nor a socialist state. Obama wants the same thing. If you think we need to do NOTHING, then you're out of your head.

I suppose you'll move the goalposts about something ELSE to hate Hillary about once you find you're wrong about video games. Go right ahead.

It was an intentionally facetious post.

As is: I don't need a thousand reasons. She's lied about multiple residencies, she lied when she ran for Congress about pursuing Presidency, she's changed her mind on enough issues to be a legit panderer, and I disagree with her social plans.

There. That's the difference between her and Obama AND McCain. I disagree with all three of the biggest frontrunners on certain issues, but I don't know if I agree with Hillary at all, on anything.

Also, as far as "uniting" the country goes, Obama and McCain are both liked across party lines. If either of these men were elected, I think a lot of bullshit party line complaints would be broken and we could argue like...the issues again.

[Schnoogs]

http://instapunk.com/images/bush_hitler02.jpg


Glad to have him outta the house.

If there was ever proof that our educational system is failing our youth this might be it.

[Ultima Thulian]

Totally agreed Schnoogs. Hitler's stache was a much black, not that shitty looking brown. Hello! Wake up America!